[00:08] <Knuckl3head> Hello?
[00:10] <Knuckl3head> Anybody?
[00:12]  * Dragonkeeper is guarding this room, noone is home, except the dragons in the far corner, its time to turn back.
[00:13] <Knuckl3head> Dragonkeeper, do you know much about Ubuntu touch?
[00:14]  * Dragonkeeper knows of ubuntu touch. He recalls it being mentioned here some time ago.
[00:15]  * Dragonkeeper looks at the Knuckl3head
[00:15] <Knuckl3head> I've got a device I would like to try and get it working on, assuming that I had that I had the full root filesystem of android, where would I find it's hardware drivers?
[00:17] <Dragonkeeper> you mean proprietary drivers? Knuckl3head
[00:17] <Knuckl3head> Mostly, yeah.
[00:17]  * Dragonkeeper points to /vendor dir within android
[00:23] <Knuckl3head> So the /vendor/lib, /vendor/modules, and /vendor/pittpatt could be somehow imported to ubuntu touch?
[00:26] <Dragonkeeper> think there is a script in the repos in the ubuntu enviroment for porting that can pull the needed drivers from a device running android . they are used in the ''android'' part of system but its a minimal version in container that no really called android anymore .. then ubuntu goes on top
[00:26] <Dragonkeeper> Knuckl3head: ^
[00:26] <Knuckl3head> I didn't know that, but that would make this process a billion and a half times easier.
[00:27] <Dragonkeeper> following the port guide on ubuntu site?
[00:28] <Knuckl3head> I'll go there then. Thanks for the help, Dragonkeeper.
[00:28] <Dragonkeeper> o/
[03:05] <elisam98> Hey everyone! I'm excited to get started porting Touch to the LG Volt (LS740) from Boost Mobile. I have my device tree vendor lobs and kernel sources all in place, but I seem to be getting a compile error:
[03:06] <elisam98> "fatal error: linux/msm_mdp.h: No such file or directory"
[03:07] <elisam98> I have an "include" folder in my device tree and in my kernel sources. They both contain the linux folder which includes the msm_mdp.h file.
[03:07] <elisam98> ..But it's not getting included by the compiler. Any ideas where to start?
[03:50] <phix> hey
[03:50] <phix> How's the phone coming along??
[08:31] <XVampireX> If my device is not supported or supported under a very close port... say I have a Galaxy Tab 3 SM-T310 that samsung thinks I am the only one who's using it and there are no updates whatsoever.... and I want to get updates, what do I do?
[08:31] <XVampireX> I mean I wanna try ubuntu touch
[08:31] <XVampireX> XD
[09:15] <popey> phix: one released in europe, one soon in asia, announcement for us market soon
[10:29] <Angel2006> hi all
[10:29] <brunch875> hello!
[10:29] <Angel2006> anyone could help me installing ubuntu touch in dual boot on my nexus 4?
[10:30]  * brunch875 has no idea on how to do that
[10:30] <Angel2006> and someone else?
[10:31] <Angel2006> ;D
[10:31] <Angel2006> :D
[10:33] <brunch875> you can follow this though
[10:33] <brunch875> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation
[10:33] <brunch875> It looks pretty complete
[10:34] <Se7> morning#
[10:34] <brunch875> g'morning!
[11:12] <Silex> I, there's this but I'd like to report but I'm not sure to find its correct category: On Aquaris 4.5 BQ phones, when I mute the sound in the PathWind game (or any game), then then no sound goes out anymore in the browser app in Youtube for example
[11:13] <Silex> there's this bug*
[11:13] <Silex> even if I move the volume up or down
[11:18] <Se7> Silex, here i think there is some bug https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers
[11:19] <Silex> Se7: yes, but as I said no category really fits
[11:19] <brunch875> it's a known bug though
[11:19] <Silex> brunch875: okay, then no need to report. Thanks
[11:20] <Silex> is enabling writable image and using apt on the device "ok"?
[11:20] <brunch875> advice: don't apt-get upgrade
[11:20] <brunch875> it'll break everything
[11:20] <Silex> ah, good to know
[11:21] <Silex> I was thinking about giving https://github.com/tgalal/yowsup a try
[11:21] <brunch875> also, I discourage you to enable writable
[11:21] <brunch875> it's preferred if you install stuff in home if you can
[11:22] <Silex> brunch875: thanks for the advices... how do you handle unmet dependencies?
[11:22] <brunch875> I have no idea :D
[11:22] <Silex> I see python is installed so yowsup should theorically work with a local install
[11:22] <brunch875> installing more stuff in home? hahaha
[11:23] <Silex> maybe I can tell dpkg to install stuffs locally, or just cross compile on the host and copy there
[11:23] <brunch875> you  can use dpkg -x to extract stuff from the debs
[11:24] <brunch875> and apt-get download to get the debs
[11:24] <Silex> right
[11:24] <brunch875> you can also use a chroot jail to toy around with apt-get without needing to enable write
[11:24] <Silex> Maybe I could also write some little apps
[11:25] <Silex> so installs/updates go through the system installer
[11:25] <brunch875> if you're comfortable with flashing, go ahead and toy around
[11:25] <brunch875> you can always just re-flash ubuntu
[11:26] <Silex> I'm a c++/ruby dev, but I'm inexperienced with phone dev. The ubuntu SDK looked fairly straight forward tho
[11:26] <brunch875> ever played with android?
[11:26] <brunch875> flashing is done the same way
[11:26] <brunch875> with adb
[11:26] <Silex> okay
[11:26] <brunch875> and fastboot
[11:27] <Silex> theorically I won't need to flash around if I manage to wrap yowsup and provide whatsapp support that way
[11:27] <Silex> but I guess I'll try local installs first
[11:27] <Silex> and if it works wrap it into some tiny app
[11:27] <Silex> we'll see how it goes, thanks for the infos
[11:27] <brunch875> make sure to tell me if you're succesful
[11:27] <brunch875> I want to try it out
[11:28]  * brunch875 's battery is about to die and there's no power nearby!
[11:28] <Silex> it's a shame apt-get install doesn't work out of the box
[11:28] <brunch875> it "does"
[11:28] <brunch875> enabling write is easy :)
[11:29] <brunch875> it's just for security reasons
[11:29] <Silex> yeah but I never heard anyone recommand it
[11:29] <brunch875> that's because of the click packages
[11:29] <brunch875> they solve the dependency nightmare inherited from debian
[11:30] <Silex> hum, you mean there's two packages manager in ubuntu touch?
[11:30] <brunch875> let's hope the ubuntu devs gradually migrate from apt-get
[11:30] <brunch875> yeah, and the desktop will use the click packages too
[11:30] <brunch875> I've heard something about snappy packages which seem to be about the same thing
[11:30] <brunch875> basically they're packaging all dependencies of the application with the application
[11:30] <embik> snappy packages are for Ubuntu Core, the cloud/server "version" of Ubuntu
[11:30] <brunch875> and sandboxing it
[11:31] <embik> it's not the same as click packages afaik (but I might be wrong)
[11:31] <brunch875> click packages are the future
[11:31] <Silex> creating two new package manager sounds a bit dangerous imho
[11:31] <brunch875> this doesn't mean they're going to get rid of apt-get though
[11:32] <Silex> so much legacy code depends on debian packages
[11:32] <embik> click packages are the future for me when I'm able to package up go applications with it
[11:56] <Angel2006> hi all ,, anyone know how could i boot ubuntu on my nexus 4?
[11:59] <Angel2006> i've tried to install it in dual boot with multirom (ubuntu touch 14.09) .. but once i restar the phone, the ubuntu logo appears but i leave it 30 mins and turn continously  and so doesn't boot.. (after 30 min i've shut down my phone) .. any suggestion?
[12:14] <phix> popey: I guess I will buy it in Europe then
[12:51] <OscarBookworm> Installed Ubuntu Touch on Nexus 10, all is fine but no sound (music app), any ideas?
[12:52] <ahayzen> OscarBookworm, is there a sound-indicator in the notification bar?
[12:52] <OscarBookworm> of course it is
[12:53] <ahayzen> sometimes that doesn't start for me ;) ... is it just music or all apps?
[12:53] <OscarBookworm> youtube video is working fine with sound but music app sucks
[12:54] <ahayzen> :/ define 'sucks' as in no audio at all or stutters?
[12:54] <OscarBookworm> there is no progress if i press play
[12:55] <ahayzen> ugh ... do you know what format the file are?
[12:55] <OscarBookworm> I tried both ogg and mp3
[12:56] <ahayzen> ok they should work... would you be able to pastebin some logs for me? ... /home/phablet/.cache/upstart/media-hub.log and /home/phablet/.cache/upstart/application-click-com.ubuntu.music_music_2.0.846.log ?
[13:00] <OscarBookworm> How to show hidden files on device?
[13:02] <ahayzen> OscarBookworm, how are you trying to get to the files? file manager or terminal? ... i usually just adb pull them over to the desktop
[13:04] <OscarBookworm> I#ll try it with adb, just a moment please
[13:07] <Se7> it s possible to install android lollipop in dual boot on aquarius ubuntu editions?
[13:09] <brunch875> it should be
[13:09] <brunch875> technically it's the same es the android edition
[13:10] <brunch875> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation
[13:10] <Se7> tnx :)
[13:10] <ogra_> there is no officially supported way of dual booting ...
[13:11] <ogra_> the ubuntu edition is partitioned differently ... and the drivers use fimware from android 4.4 for the hardware, if anything in lollipop brings a newer one it might break HW functionality under ubuntu
[13:11] <brunch875> snap
[13:12] <Se7> understood
[13:12] <Se7> but why that link?
[13:12] <brunch875> it shows how to install dual boot
[13:12] <ogra_> (but if you are adventuorus you can indeed try :) the phone is open enough to do so if yo like the risk ;) )
[13:13] <brunch875> ogra_, is the access to fastboot/recovery in a read-only memory?
[13:14] <brunch875> is it possible to break the device beyond repair?
[13:14] <ogra_> the first stage  bootloader is, afaik
[13:14] <ogra_> the second stage (fastboot) is alerady read from mmc
[13:15] <ogra_> (i think)
[13:16] <brunch875> is that accessible from / ?
[13:16] <ogra_> the partition containing the bootloader ?
[13:16] <brunch875> yeah
[13:16] <ogra_> i think so
[13:16] <brunch875> so rm -rf / would brick the device
[13:16] <brunch875> hardbrick I mean
[13:16] <ogra_> yes, but not the bootloader
[13:17] <brunch875> so it would still be possible to slap the usb into it and fix it?
[13:17] <ogra_> (well, rm -rf / would not brock it if you wuldnt make it writable)
[13:17] <ogra_> *brick
[13:17] <brunch875> yeah, assuming a successful rm
[13:17] <ogra_> well, that still would needteh partition mounted to do any harm to it
[13:18] <ogra_> there is no filesystem on it ... you can not mount it
[13:18] <brunch875> that's great news
[13:18] <brunch875> knowing that I'll fiddle more with my phone
[13:18] <ogra_> yo would have to use dd on the device node (or a tool using dd) to break it
[13:20]  * Se7 asked a nice question :P
[13:35] <popey> ahayzen: i dont think the nexus 10 has had a lot of love, I wouldn't worry too much about audio issues on that device.
[13:36] <ahayzen> popey, ok :) i was just intrigued what the error would be
[13:37] <popey> me too :)
[13:43] <rsalveti> popey: hey, do you have a final krillin version with you around?
[13:43] <popey> rsalveti: ya
[13:43] <rsalveti> looking for someone that bought the device :-)
[13:43] <popey> <- did
[13:44] <rsalveti> popey: can you run the following?
[13:44] <rsalveti> cat /sys/devices/platform/mtk-tpd/chipinfo
[13:44] <rsalveti> and paste me the output
[13:44] <popey> ID:0x0 VER:0x15 IC:ft5336 VENDOR:ckt (dc)
[13:44] <rsalveti> yay, there you go
[13:45] <rsalveti> thanks
[13:45] <popey> ooh
[13:45] <rsalveti> looking at what might be missing for https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1436273
[13:45] <popey> ID:0x0 VER:0x40 IC:ft5336 VENDOR:ckt (dc)
[13:45] <popey> thats my white android one
[13:45] <rsalveti> yeah, the script that updates it is broken
[13:45] <rsalveti> and it seems the final device got an older firmware by default
[13:45]  * popey adds comment
[13:46] <popey> That's unfortunate
[13:46] <popey> wonder what else is between 0x15 and 0x40!
[13:47] <EdwardMorbius> hello, what logs do I need to report UI freeze on the phone?
[13:48] <popey> EdwardMorbius: I'd "adb shell" to the phone and "ubuntu-bug unity8"
[13:48] <popey> then click the link it gives you and file the bug that way
[13:48] <popey> it'll gather everything
[13:49] <EdwardMorbius> popey ok I will try that
[13:53] <EdwardMorbius> I am guessing unity8 and mir will get updated in 15.04 image right?
[13:56] <EdwardMorbius> unity8 is from 26.2 and mir from 15.1 according to what  I  grepped in the phone terminal
[14:08] <pmcgowan> ogra_, beat me to posting the battery graph :)
[14:28] <ogra_> :)
[14:35] <spazzymoto> Hey guys, can anyone config for me if lxc-checkconfig should look like this for the android container http://pastebin.com/9T4XmU3q
[14:37] <spazzymoto> confirm*
[14:39] <ogra_> spazzymoto, you definitely want all namespaces enabled
[14:39] <spazzymoto> any idea where i set this?
[14:40] <spazzymoto> Do i need to do something like http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/157361/lxc-start-no-cgroup-mounted-on-the-system
[14:43] <ogra_> you need to enable all the options in your kernel config
[14:45] <ogra_> spazzymoto, you need to point the CONFIG variable to your kernel config, not the lxc setup file
[14:45] <ogra_> else it will default to just check the running kernel
[14:46] <Talustus> ^^
[14:50] <spazzymoto> Ah sorry :( haha looks much better http://pastebin.com/8A2LMvV2
[14:50] <spazzymoto> do i need cgroup device in order for android to mount any partitions
[14:56] <ogra_> no
[15:00] <spazzymoto> ok cool yeah i see i can mount it manually in the container. Just need to figure out why they dont seem to be mounting on boot. Thanks
[15:04] <ogra_> why do you need it in the container ?
[15:05] <spazzymoto> Im getting [   19.716211] pil-q6v5-mss fc880000.qcom,mss: mba: Failed to locate mba.mdt in my dmesg and i see that file is locate in /firmware/image
[15:06] <ogra_> ah, i thought you mean cgroups
[15:07] <spazzymoto> oh sorry, no i thought i may need it to allow mounting in the container. but as i can mount it manually in container it wouldnt seem so. cant seem to find any messages that tell me why they didnt mount :(
[16:07] <themeles> When I'm trying to sync owncloud with my ubuntu phone i get the following error when setting up syncevolution "[ERROR] sync password for target-config@wd-oc: cannot store password in GNOME keyring, not enough attributes (user=meles). Try setting syncURL or remoteDeviceID if this is a sync password.".
[16:07] <themeles> Can somebody help me?
[16:07] <studio_> hi
[16:09] <studio_> is there an experimental channel for the bq e4.5 an its kernel?
[16:19] <themeles> problem solved. The solution was "--keyring=no"
[16:24] <studio_> sorry, i do not know how to fix the problem with the cifs and the bq kernel by myself. i need help.
[16:27] <studio_> could "please" someone help?
[16:30] <studio_> john-mcaleely, i was reading, reading and reading, but i didn't figured out where the problem is. can you "please" help?
[16:35] <peat-psuwit> awe_: I've added some comments in my pull request. Could you have a look?
[16:36] <awe_> peat-psuwit, I'll try and take a look later on... I have some other tasks I have to finish first today
[16:38] <peat-psuwit> awe_: That's fine. Maybe I'll take a look again tomorrow, as it's almost midnight here.
[16:38] <awe_> ok
[16:41] <studio_> where is the different between git checkout aquaris-E4.5-ubuntu-rtm and git checkout aquaris-E4.5-ubuntu-master? there is still missing in both cifs and nfsd?
[16:44] <studio_> come on, how to enable cifs and nfsd in the kernel?
[16:57] <studio_> hmm, nobody here is using the bq Aquaris e4.5?
[16:59] <danrik> "More Ubuntu phones coming soon…" how soon is soon?
[17:00] <studio_> if yes, would be nice how  to use "mount -t cifs" or "mount -t nfs" on the bq Aquaris e4.5 without kernel or modules!?
[17:01] <dobey> danrik: i'm assuming you're referring to the bq site. you will have to follow @bqreaders or @ubuntu on twitter to see when the next flash sale happens, or when they start selling them generally
[17:02] <studio_> dobey, you are still there?
[17:02] <danrik> dobey, no - i'm referring to ubuntu site: http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/devices
[17:02] <dobey> studio_: that has nothing to do with the e4.5 afaik. it sounds like you want to request that those be enabled by default on ubuntu phones. file a bug that they aren't available, and make a reasonably good argument as to how they would be beneficial to users in general (don't demand that they need to be enabled)
[17:03] <dobey> danrik: oh, well soon is soon. when more phones are released, they will appear there i guess :)
[17:03] <danrik> dobey, im using my android phone with broken glass currently...
[17:04] <studio_> dobey, it is a problem from the kernel, the kernel is built without "love"
[17:04] <dobey> studio_: no it is not. and please don't say such things. it is rude
[17:06] <studio_> dobey, as i told you, i am not "rude", but the kernel is built, for exp., with nfc. but E4.5 do not support nfc ....
[17:06] <dobey> studio_: you are the only person in the past 2 years to complain about the ubuntu phone image not having cifs or nfs support.
[17:06] <dobey> studio_: "the kernel is built without 'love'" is rude
[17:07] <studio_> true
[17:07] <studio_> is nfc in the kernel rude?
[17:07] <dobey> cifs and nfs are not something one needs on a phone in general.
[17:07] <dobey> it is irrelevant
[17:08] <studio_> and nfc?
[17:08] <dobey> nfc is irrelevant
[17:08] <studio_> so,why it is in the kernel?
[17:08] <dobey> why are you talking about nfc?
[17:09] <dobey> nfc has nothing to do with cifs or nfs
[17:09] <studio_> it is compiled to the kernel!
[17:09] <dobey> the argument of "this one thing is enabled in the kernel, so these other things should be too" is a facile argument
[17:09] <danrik> dobey, - wait  - so how do u watch something from Windows share without cifs compiled?
[17:10] <dobey> danrik: how do you do it on an android phone? or ios? or even on a windows phone?
[17:10] <studio_> dobey, please do not missunderstand me, i try to figure out, why nfc is compiled in the kernel and cifs or nfsd is not ...
[17:10] <danrik> dobey, i dunno. im on cyanogen - and I think I can browse cifs...
[17:11] <dobey> studio_: i don't misunderstand you at all. you are being arrogant and demanding something should be be enabled, simply because some other irrelevant option is enabled in the kernel.
[17:12] <studio_> arrogant?, come on, help me to fix the kernel!
[17:12] <dobey> it's not broken. if you want to build your own kernel with cifs enabled and nfc disabled, then do so
[17:12] <dobey> there's nothing more i can tell you to help you with that
[17:12] <studio_> do you help or not?
[17:13] <dobey> i can have you removed from the channel again for being demanding and rude, if that will help?
[17:14] <studio_> so you can't or will help for this issue?
[17:14] <dobey> i'm not going to continue answering things i've already answered, no
[17:14] <studio_> fixing the kernel is still not answered!
[17:15] <dobey> the kernel is not broken
[17:15] <studio_> "broken" is "depending" ...
[17:15] <dobey> no
[17:15] <dobey> broken means it needs a change to the source code
[17:16] <dobey> what you want to do has nothing to do with changing the source code
[17:16] <dobey> all you want to do is change compile time options
[17:16] <dobey> and the kernel source code comes with plenty of documentation on how to build a kernel
[17:16] <studio_> dobey, i am not the only one who is asking for cifs and nfsd ...
[17:16] <dobey> you can also read the ubuntu porting guide listed in the topic
[17:16] <dobey> studio_: yes. yes you are.
[17:17] <studio_> dobey, us google to search ...
[17:18] <dobey> studio_: google also has links to many sites explaining how to configure and build kernels. feel free to use it as well
[17:19] <studio_> dobey, use google for an answer, "because we do not know" is not the correct way!
[17:20] <dobey> studio_: again, you are being rude. please stop or i will ask to have you forcibly removed yet again.
[17:20] <studio_> rude is depending in your way
[17:21] <ogra_> kids, behave !
[17:21] <studio_> ok ... :(
[17:22] <ogra_> studio_, cifs and nfs are not interesting for us until we can offer app developers to do anything with them, read: once our framework supporst using network filesystems we will enable them ...
[17:22] <ogra_> if you want them right now for your personal fun, you will have to build your own kernel or modules to make it work
[17:23] <dobey> they're not interesting even then, as having them be in kernel space presents many problems. the best way to use them would be with an app, and having it be a provider to content-hub. and yes, if you really must have it now on the phone, the only way to do so, is to build your own kernel
[17:24] <dobey> and if you want that to stick, you'll also need to maintain your own system image builds, or simply avoid ever updating the image.
[17:24] <dobey> again, and again, and again, these same answers have been given.
[17:25] <studio_> dobey, no, how to enable cifs and nfsd in the kernel via "https://github.com/bq/aquaris-E4.5/tree/aquaris-E4.5-ubuntu-master"?
[17:27] <dobey> https://github.com/bq/aquaris-E4.5/blob/aquaris-E4.5-ubuntu-master/kernel/Documentation/00-INDEX
[17:27] <ogra_> by configuringit and then building it
[17:28] <dobey> it's a linux source tree, you configure it the same way as you would any other linux source tree
[17:40] <studio_> dobey, sorry, i do not unterstand that :( where in what folder do i have to  make  "make menuconfig"?
[17:40] <dobey> presumably under kernel/
[17:41] <studio_> but unter kernel it is not working :(
[17:41] <dobey> after doing whatever is necessry to get the existing config in place
[17:41] <dobey> read the porting guide. it's linked in the channel topic.
[17:42] <dobey> you're trying to build something that's already ported, but it will provide you with details on how to go about building the system
[17:45] <dobey> you should probably build it once as-is, so you understand how to build it, and then try to go about changing the config and rebuilding it
[17:45] <studio_> dobey, yes, it is still ported, i just want to modify ... and in the git i do not know how the "project" is set? project is the kernel config.
[17:46] <ogra_> just grab it from the device
[17:46] <studio_> ogra_, it is different from the git!
[17:47] <ogra_> the config ?
[17:47] <ogra_> indeed it is
[17:47] <studio_> yes
[17:47] <studio_> indeed, why?
[17:47] <ogra_> the tree is an unconfigured linux source tree
[17:49] <studio_> sorry, i do not understand this. i thought config.gz is the same as in the build tree?
[17:49] <ogra_> there is no config in the tree ...
[17:50] <studio_> no? so what is project?
[17:50]  * ogra_ hasnt seen many official kernel tees that come configured 
[17:51] <dobey> what "project" are you talking about?
[17:51] <studio_> ~/aquaris-E4.5/mediatek/config/krillin/autoconfig/kconfig/project
[17:52]  * ogra_ has no idea
[17:52] <studio_> check it
[17:52] <ogra_> but why does it matter
[17:52] <studio_> it is the kernel config
[17:52] <dobey> why don't you build the kernel following the instructions, as-is first
[17:52] <ogra_> you copy the config from tehdevice into th right place, call mke menuconfig, reconfigure as needed ... build
[17:53] <dobey> and then change the config
[17:53] <dobey> instead of demanding in irc that other people help you do the obvious thing?
[17:54] <ogra_> th actual configuration is assembled at build time by android scripts ... i doubt you will find anything in the kernel tree ...
[17:54] <studio_> dobey, please do not make "tamtam". clone the git and tell me in what folder i have to make "make menuconfig" ...
[17:55] <ogra_> in the top level of your kernel tree indeed
[17:55] <ogra_> like with any other kernel
[17:55] <dobey> i am not cloning the git. and wtf is "tamtam" anyway?
[17:55] <dobey> and i already told you where to run make menuconfig
[17:55] <studio_> ogra_, have you ever tried?
[17:55] <ogra_> there is nothing special about this tree that makes it any different from any other kernel tree
[17:55] <dobey> have you?
[17:55] <dobey> (cd kernel && make menuconfig) et voila, ncurses
[17:57] <studio_> aquaris-E4.5/kernel/../mediatek/build/Makefile:13: *** TARGET_PRODUCT/PROJECT is not set.  Schluss.
[17:57] <studio_> ?
[17:57] <studio_> that is, why ia ma allways asking. it is not working
[17:58] <studio_> :(
[17:58] <studio_> ups, that is why i am allways asking
[17:58] <dobey> you don't ask, you demand. there is a difference
[17:59] <dobey> have you read the porting guide? have you read the documentation in the tree? have you built it as it is configured by default yet?
[18:00] <studio_> dobey, no, i just cloned, as on every time. but the build system seems to be got problems.
[18:02] <dobey> yeah, it has a PEBKAC
[18:02] <studio_> what means  PEBKAC?
[18:03] <dobey> Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair
[18:04] <studio_> have you ever tried ././makeMtk ?
[18:04] <studio_> ./makeMtk
[18:04] <studio_> sorry
[18:05] <studio_> hmm, i can't see the chair ...
[18:09] <brunch875> sigh
[18:09] <dobey> indeed
[18:10] <studio_> +1
[18:10] <brunch875> just got home to see my favourite headphones' plug brutally bent inside my soundcard
[18:10] <brunch875> :(
[18:11] <brunch875> damn troglodytes!
[19:35] <roeei> Hi all, any working project to get whatsapp and exchange email working with bq 4.5?
[19:36] <nik90> Does anyone know which package to install to get Ubuntu.Connectivity?
[19:41] <roeei> http://packages.ubuntu.com/utopic/libs/qml-module-ubuntu-connectivity
[19:47] <dadexix86> roeei, if you use whatsapp with an unofficial client they ban you. Probably the only thing to do is to wait for Mr. Facebook to give it to us (I tried to write them an email some time ago, without any reply from them).
[19:47] <dadexix86> roeei and for the other question, I'm not entirely sure about what an "exchange email" is...
[19:53] <dobey> roeei: whatsapp will have to provide an ubuntu app themselves if you want to get it
[19:54] <dobey> roeei: i don't think dekko supports exchange, so probably nothing really on that front either, unless you can maybe use a webapp for it
[19:54] <dobey> dadexix86: MS Exchange, the groupware server
[19:57] <Bogdan> i have almost 2 weeks with ubuntu touch and i think its a beautifull experience that need more attention to details bugs and core apps development
[20:00] <themeles> do I post bugs about the quick settings menu in ubuntu-phone in Ubuntu Phone commons?
[20:01] <dadexix86> dobey, thank you
[20:02] <dobey> Bogdan: we are constantly fixing bugs and improving things :)
[20:02] <Bogdan> Yes, i know...
[20:03] <dobey> themeles: a particular icon in the top bar, or just in general?
[20:05] <themeles> dobey: the inactive tabs are not good visible in bad light because the contrast between the grey icon and the black background is to low.
[20:05] <Bogdan> I fill some bugs and i have seen this in action... But there are so many things to get better... Hangouts, facebook chat integration, downloading any kind of files, options to make the phone a real smartphone, and so on...
[20:06] <dobey> themeles: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+filebug is probably the best place to file that bug
[20:06] <pmcgowan> nik90, qml-module-ubuntu-connectivity
[20:07] <dobey> Bogdan: "a real smartphone" is really subjective. hangouts is limited by google, facebook is limited by facebook, etc… we can only work on things that are open and not legally encumbered, really. if you want hangouts, the best thing would be to get google to write an ubuntu hangouts app and distribute it in the store
[20:08] <themeles> dobey: thank you. and another thing too: is the keyboard that is used in ubuntu-phone the ubuntu-keyboard?
[20:08] <nik90> pmcgowan: ah yes thnx
[20:08] <nik90> roeei: thnx as well, just saw your reply
[20:09] <dobey> themeles: yes it is
[20:09] <themeles> dobey: ok than i reported the bug at the right place, thanks!
[20:10] <dobey> no problem :)
[20:10] <Bogdan> Why pidgin have google talk integration and ubuntu touch cant have?... If pidgin can be ported to ubuntu touch s big problem would be done.
[20:10] <Bogdan> ;)
[20:11] <dobey> there's a big difference between xmpp text chat, and "hangouts"
[20:12] <mcphail> Bogdan: Android took several iterations, a couple of years, thousands of devs and the might of Google to be usable. UT has been out int he wild for a bout 2 weeks. Give it a chance!
[20:12] <Bogdan> Ok, i need google talk chat.... Could someone do this?
[20:12] <Bogdan> Ok, i see
[20:12] <dobey> xmpp will likely come in the future, but proper integration requires changes in the messaging app UI, and such
[20:12] <Bogdan> Ok
[20:13] <dobey> but telepathy is on the phone, and yes, it's possible to have IM. it just requires a lot of work to make it right
[20:13] <Bogdan> I miss very much a basic google talk
[20:15] <dobey> i agree it would be nice to have
[20:15] <Bogdan> I miss gtalk, facebook messenger, feedly app and basicaly that is all i need more.
[20:15] <dobey> but getting IM right on the phone is a lot of work
[20:16] <dobey> is feedly just a web thing?
[20:16] <Bogdan> I like the phone, the OS, its beautifull. I tried my wife android phone snd tried to use right edge... But nothing...
[20:16] <Bogdan> ;)
[20:16] <mcphail> Bogdan: I'm sure the talk and messaging apps with open protocols will come along when the plumbing is in place. Ubuntu-touch seems much easier to develop for than Android or ios
[20:18] <mcphail> Bogdan: we've ported some in-house stuff to UT in a couple of days. It took us ages to get it working right on Android. Have faith :)
[20:18] <Bogdan> I will try feedly in browser
[20:18] <Bogdan> browser
[20:19] <brunch875> feedly doesn't work for me on the browser
[20:19] <brunch875> it chokes on its javascript machinery
[20:20] <brunch875> I've noticed the browser doesn't behave well with popups
[20:20] <Bogdan> Ok. I will wait... I was waiting for this phone for 2 years, and i will wait a year from now on... But i hope to see progress on this area.
[20:20] <dobey> yeah, popups on mobile is bad
[20:20] <dobey> well, popups are bad
[20:20] <dobey> but worse on mobile :)
[20:21] <brunch875> yeah, they're bad
[20:22] <brunch875> I was visiting euuh... "you'll know when you're older" stuff yesterday; which tends to spam with dodgy popups
[20:22] <brunch875> it broke the tabs on the browser
[20:22] <brunch875> opened tabs disappeared, but I could still hear the audio
[20:22] <brunch875> closing the browser and opening it again wouldn't fix this inconsistent state
[20:22] <brunch875> had to reboot the phone
[20:24] <matv1> has anyone experienced being unable to unlock the phone after testrunning an qml app on the phone(mako) from the sdk?
[20:25] <Bogdan> Is youtube working on your bq phones?
[20:25] <brunch875> it id
[20:25] <brunch875> it is* flawlessly
[20:25] <Bogdan> I hear just audio, not any video
[20:25] <Dragonkeeper> yeah, i hate the scope tho
[20:25] <dobey> Bogdan: works here
[20:26] <Bogdan> Oh... I am the only one?
[20:26] <Dragonkeeper> Bogdan: only if your connection sucks
[20:26] <brunch875> is your internet slow?
[20:26] <nik90> matv1: are you running vivid? or rtm?
[20:26] <nik90> matv1: I have noticed that issue on vivid
[20:26] <Bogdan> No, i have powerfull internet
[20:26] <matv1> nik90 vivid
[20:26] <brunch875> do you have a lot of stuff open when watching the videos?
[20:27] <brunch875> like facebook and a lot of opened tabs on the browser
[20:27] <Bogdan> I dont know, the phone is like i bought? is it rtm?
[20:27] <pmcgowan> Bogdan, do you have the v20 update?
[20:27] <matv1> nik90 ah so I am not alone. good to know :)
[20:27] <Bogdan> Yes, i have 20
[20:28] <nik90> matv1: well, the situation still sucks :P ... that's why I get back to rtm as fast I can when possible
[20:28] <Bogdan> Do you need a copy paste from youtube log. I have logwiewer
[20:28] <Bogdan> ?
[20:28] <nik90> matv1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1429415
[20:28] <brunch875> Bogdan: did you try closing your browser tabs?
[20:29] <brunch875> maybe you're just out of memory
[20:29] <matv1> nik90 ah yes that sounds like what i am seeing
[20:32] <Bogdan> I hear sound, no video. I tried youtube scope, also youtube in browser. No video, just sound
[20:33] <matv1> nik90 thanks fr the info. i will stick with vivid though. cant do without seeing all the new stuff right asap :)
[20:33] <brunch875> after closing all tabs?
[20:33] <Bogdan> Yes
[20:33] <brunch875> that's weird, I can't seem to re-create the issue
[20:34] <Bogdan> Is there a log i can send you
[20:34] <brunch875> I can take a look at it :D but I'm not a youtube developer
[20:35] <brunch875> here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[20:36] <Bogdan> I have Logviewer. What section i need to copy?
[20:37] <Bogdan> Mediahub?
[20:37] <brunch875> no idea :x
[20:38] <brunch875> oh, I misread you had a log on your hands
[20:38] <brunch875> my bad!
[20:40] <Bogdan> Http://paste.ubuntu.com/10753954
[20:41] <dobey> Bogdan: youtube doesn't go through mediahub
[20:42] <Bogdan> Where then?
[20:42] <dobey> it's just html5 video direct in the browser
[20:43] <dobey> so maybe the youtube app log if there is one, but i'm not sure it will have anything helpful in it
[20:43] <dobey> Bogdan: also, most all of EU was on holiday today, so you're more likely to get some help tomorrow :)
[20:44] <Bogdan> Ok. Thanks. I will come here tomorrow.
[20:44] <Bogdan> Good night
[20:44] <brunch875> Good night man
[20:44] <brunch875> good luck!
[20:46] <Bogdan> Paste.ubuntu.com/10754024
[20:47] <Bogdan> target density dpi id the problem
[20:55] <brunch875> It's interesting. I've read someone complain about the same audio-only playback issue.
[20:56] <pmcgowan> hmm
[20:56] <brunch875> But I have a BQ device myself and I've never encountered it
[20:56] <pmcgowan> wonder if he hits a different server or something
[20:56] <brunch875> sometimes video gets to stutter when the phone is loaded but otherwise nothing :\
[20:58] <dobey> i have audio only for local videos, on my nexus5; but i think that might be a hardware support issue
[20:59] <pmcgowan> that seems to be an old tag thats been deprecated
[21:01] <dobey> pmcgowan: wrong channel? :P
[21:03] <pmcgowan> dobey, hmm? I should have said key The key "target-densitydpi" is not supported.
[21:03] <pmcgowan> seems this was reported before and mistakenly duped
[21:04] <dobey> pmcgowan: oh, the youtube issue?
[21:04] <pmcgowan> yep
[21:04] <dobey> ah ok
[21:05] <brunch875> ooo phone uses upstart
[21:05] <dobey> yes it does
[21:05] <dobey> at least, until we can make it not
[21:06] <brunch875> I've heard a lot of rambling about systemd
[21:06] <brunch875> but I have no idea how either works
[21:06] <dobey> so probably sometime during development of 15.10
[21:08] <dobey> ah well, time to go. later :)
[21:09] <brunch875> enjoy your sleep
[21:09] <brunch875> (or not) :D
[21:09] <dobey> beer and food, then maybe sleep in ~6 hours :P
[21:09] <brunch875> who needs sleep anyway ;)
[21:24] <cwayne> popey, heya, got time for a quick review? :) https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/2223/
[21:30] <nik90> popey: oh man I can remember the old days where you and dholbach used to manually review every app that was added to the store ;-P
[21:33] <cwayne> nik90, now its just every one of my apps :P
[21:34] <popey> heh
[21:34] <popey> done
[21:34] <natas> anyone with skillz in Linux deploy on android?
[21:35] <cwayne> popey, <3
[21:36] <popey> nik90: yeah, now I just watch this climbing... http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/graph_clicks.png
[21:36] <popey> o/ bed
[21:36] <popey> nn
[21:37] <nik90> popey: oh wow its a nice steep climb since march 2015
[21:40] <ahoneybun> lots of webapps
[21:44] <nik90> ahoneybun: well there are some native apps as well in that climb :)
[21:44] <embrik> yo, I've purchased the ubuntu-phonme even though I am from Norway :-) When I play music from spotify it stops when the phone goes into sleep - how do I put spotify in the group for apps to still run swhen the phone is in sleep (hibernate?)
[21:44] <nik90> and scopes
[21:44] <nik90> embrik: let me guess cute spotify?
[21:44] <embrik> yes
[21:46] <nik90> embrik: It can't be done afaik :/ .. I think the issue was that spotify provides the data in chunks which is not supported by the platform service media-hub.
[21:46] <nik90> embrik: there are apps which stream music from the web and is support quite well, but that doesn't seem to work with spotify for some reason.
[21:47] <nik90> may be Elleo (cute spotify developer) can explain ^^
[21:47] <embrik> hmm - isn't it possible to tweak it? I mean, there is an option to chose apps to run when the phone is in sleep
[21:49] <Elleo> embrik: no option for that I'm afraid; only a hard coded list in unity8 (which currently only includes the music app)
[21:50] <embrik> Elleo, Grooveshark?
[21:50] <Elleo> embrik: what about it?
[21:50] <ahoneybun> nik90: that would include my app as well
[21:51] <nik90> ahoneybun: which app?
[21:51] <embrik> Is grooveshark the app in the phone which works when the phone is in sleep? (is it called hibernate in english?)
[21:51] <Elleo> embrik: the grooveshark app still gets suspended just like cutespotify does, the difference is that grooveshark provides audio files instead of raw audio streams, so these can be passed to the media-hub service (which carries on running when apps are suspended)
[21:51] <embrik> the question was meant for Elleo
[21:52] <Elleo> embrik: but that isn't an option for spotify due to the way libspotify works
[21:52] <Elleo> embrik: it only provides raw chunks of audio in real-time (presumably in some attempt to protect their DRM or something)
[21:53] <nik90> cwayne: well someone is got to keep popey busy ;)
[21:53] <embrik> Elleo, I see, but I don't understand :-) Are there any music apps I can use to play music in my car via bluetoooth without it stopping?
[21:53] <Elleo> embrik: the music app
[21:54] <Elleo> embrik: (you'll need to copy some music on to your phone)
[21:55] <embrik> Elleo, Ok - got the phone yesterday. Haven't had much time with it. There are no apps on it called music and I can't find it in the repository.
[21:56] <Elleo> embrik: the music app should be installed by default, it's name is probably translated into your native language though
[21:56] <embrik> Elleo, sorry - found it
[21:56] <Elleo> embrik: it'll have an icon of a musical note
[21:56] <Elleo> embrik: great :)
[21:57] <ahoneybun> nik90: gazeteer
[21:57] <embrik> I have to download like in the old days - great - I like this :-) I've been away from linux for some years becauese of the work - but this gives me a thrill
[21:57] <Elleo> :)
[22:00] <nik90> embrik: if you like podcasts, then podbird will help you there and can play stuff in the background :P
[22:01] <embrik> nik90, what about pidgin? I find it a bit old fashioned to communicate on it?
[22:01] <embrik> nik90, have to log into facebook to talk
[22:02] <nik90> embrik: I hear that the IM backend is in place if I vaguely remember, but the UI needs to be integrated into the default messaging app which is a bit complicated
[22:03] <nik90> well more a long process
[22:03] <embrik> nik90, ok - we'll just wait for it then
[22:04] <nik90> ahayzen: why does a scoreboard for a game need to run in the background?
[22:04] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, ^^
[22:04] <nik90> bah I meant that to ahoneybun ^^
[22:04] <nik90> sry :P
[22:04] <ahayzen> no worries lol ;)
[22:04] <embrik> nik90, Is ther a messaging app as well?
[22:04] <nik90> embrik: yeah there should be a default messaging app
[22:04] <ahoneybun> nik90: run in the background?
[22:05] <nik90> embrik: looks like you need to first the existing apps
[22:05] <embrik> nik90, I'll searc then - got it yesterday :-)
[22:05] <nik90> ahoneybun: yeah you meantioned "<ahoneybun> nik90: that would include my app as well"
[22:05] <nik90> ahoneybun: or was that for a manual review or something?
[22:05] <ahoneybun> oh no nik90 you said [17:51] <nik90> ahoneybun: which app?
[22:06] <ahoneybun> I was just late with the reply
[22:06] <nik90> ahoneybun: oh
[22:06] <ahoneybun> yea'
[22:09] <embrik> nik90, can't find any communication app. What is it called? Do you know?
[22:09] <nik90> embrik: its called "Messaging" in english..it has sms/mms support
[22:10] <nik90> embrik: it is not a google talk/facebook chat client if that's what you were expecting
[22:10] <embrik> nik90, well, 've found that- yes I need a client to talk on facebook
[22:12] <natas> you guys know if there is a Linux deploy chat somewhere?
[22:12] <nik90> embrik: it will come in due course..after all this is the first version of ubuntu touch out there
[22:13] <embrik> nik90, is it possible to ssh to it?
[22:13] <nik90> embrik: yes, but I am not sure how to do it..
[22:14] <nik90> embrik: I usually adb shell, or phablet-shell into it
[22:14] <nik90> and run commands
[22:14] <embrik> nik90, thanks
[22:17] <embrik> nik90, sorry for asking - I'm kind of new to this. I've use ssh alot like this ssh username@ip-adresse on host - but how do I use adb shell or phablet shell?
[22:17] <nik90> embrik: for adb-shell and phablet-shell you need to connect the device via usb
[22:18] <embrik> nik90, ok
[22:18] <embrik> nik90, what do i write on the pc?
[22:18] <nik90> embrik: But first, go to Settings App -> About this phone -> Developer Mode -> Enable Developer Mode Switch
[22:19] <nik90> embrik: then connect the device via usb
[22:19] <nik90> embrik: and then run "phablet-shell" or "adb shell" in the pc terminal
[22:19] <embrik> nik90, I'll do that
[22:19] <nik90> you should then be in the phone's terminal command prompt
[22:20] <nik90> embrik: Oh also make sure to unlock the device when you type the command in the pc terminal (for security reasons adb, phablet-shell doesn't list your device if it is locked)
[22:24] <embrik> nik90, Think I have a too old distro: 12.04. Can't find phablet-shell in the repository
[22:25] <embrik> nik90, the phone doesn't even show up when I connect it to the pc
[22:25] <georg1982> can you tell me how to change the partition layout for ubuntu touch?
[22:27] <nik90> embrik: hmm well to get the phablet-tools package you would need to add the ubuntu sdk ppa, but I am not sure if it supports 12.04.
[22:27] <nik90> embrik: let me check
[22:29] <nik90> embrik: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa PPA will provide that package to you..BUT it hasn't been updated for 12.04 for almost a year. So I wouldn't add it.
[22:29] <nik90> embrik: it would be best to keep up with the latest LTS release..I am myself running 14.04
[22:35] <dadexix86> hi all. is there a way to start a secret chat on telegram?
[22:41] <Elleo> dadexix86: if you bring up someone's contact info there's a "Start secret chat" option
[22:41] <dadexix86> Elleo, there it is! thank you very much :)
[22:41] <Elleo> dadexix86: you can do that by either tapping their name in a chat, or starting a new chat with that person and tapping the person icon in the top right
[22:41] <Elleo> dadexix86: no worries :)
[23:07] <embrik> nik90, I have 14.04 installed on my parents laptop, but it runs slow on old hardware :-( My phone doesn't show on 12.04
[23:12] <embrik> anyone: I can't browse my phone on distro 12.04
[23:12] <embrik> It doesn't  show
[23:20] <dadexix86> embrik, you have to update the mtp drivers, or switch to 14.04
[23:25] <embrik> I can't reach my phone on usb or bluetoooth
[23:25] <embrik> Using ubuntu 12.04 on pc
[23:32] <embrik> I am a bit disapointed. Have worked with linux some years ago. Bought myself ubunt phone, and really looked forward to smooth connetction with my ubuntu pc, but nothing works. Not usb, nor bluetooth