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| * dsmythies realizes that we changed from standard time to daylight savings time last month, and so the doc team meeting is not for another hour. | 16:32 | |
| dsmythies | #startmeeting | 17:31 |
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| meetingology | Meeting started Tue Apr 7 17:31:12 2015 UTC. The chair is dsmythies. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 17:31 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 17:31 |
| dsmythies | #chair dsmythies GunnarHj | 17:31 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: GunnarHj dsmythies | 17:31 |
| dsmythies | Who is here for the doc team meeting? | 17:31 |
| bregma | o/ | 17:31 |
| GunnarHj | o/ | 17:32 |
| dsmythies | GunnarHJ: I made you a chair person | 17:32 |
| GunnarHj | dsmythies: Saw it. You are fast today. :) | 17:32 |
| dsmythies | we will wait a moment for ian | 17:33 |
| dsmythies | O.K. ian is here. let's start. | 17:34 |
| dsmythies | Just to report on some stuff rraom the last month: We did point releases of the 12.04 and 14.04 serverguides. | 17:35 |
| dsmythies | And Gunnar has been getting 15.04 desktop guide ready for release day. | 17:35 |
| GunnarHj | Except for the translations (due Thursday) | 17:36 |
| dsmythies | Anybody want to comment of any other activites from last month? | 17:37 |
| dsmythies | O.K. moving on... | 17:37 |
| dsmythies | from old actions, Hannie isn't here, so we'll leave that one. Gunnar, care to comment on desktop slidehsow? | 17:38 |
| GunnarHj | Not much to say. It will be done in vivid+. | 17:39 |
| dsmythies | ... just reading the bug report... Oh, ya. O.K. | 17:39 |
| dsmythies | other old actions done, so let's go to new business. | 17:40 |
| dsmythies | Desktop and Unity 8: I know nothing about setting up a new project. Nor do I have the capacity to take on such a project. | 17:41 |
| bregma | I have an interest in contributing (and I cna probably set up a project) but I am not a writer | 17:42 |
| bregma | also, the Unity 8 desktop will be in flux for the next several months | 17:42 |
| bregma | but I would like to see a start on the guide (or equivalent) earlier rather than later | 17:43 |
| GunnarHj | bregma: What does "in flux" mean? | 17:43 |
| dsmythies | before we go into a new project, should we access if there is enought interest from people willing to contribute? | 17:43 |
| bregma | I do not believe the final appearance (or event functionality) is fully decided yet | 17:43 |
| GunnarHj | ok. | 17:44 |
| dsmythies | assess instead access | 17:44 |
| GunnarHj | As I mentioned on list, my main concern is the seemingly lack of contributors in the team. | 17:44 |
| dsmythies | Agree. | 17:45 |
| bregma | I think there are some people in Canonical's Desktop team who can be tasked with making some contributions, but none of them are writers | 17:45 |
| bregma | I do believe there is buy-in there, though | 17:46 |
| dsmythies | bregma: Please know that I am not a writer either. I just seem to have stumbled into this roll. | 17:46 |
| bregma | OK | 17:47 |
| GunnarHj | bregma: If you look at the desktop branch, you can see that the number of contributors lately is *very* limited. It's kind of a crisis. | 17:47 |
| bregma | I don't really want to see a new desktop environment rolled out without some sort of guide, so my question is: how can we drum up enough contribution interest from the community? | 17:48 |
| dsmythies | We have fought with that question for years. | 17:48 |
| bregma | indeed | 17:48 |
| GunnarHj | Possibly the fact that it is a new desktop env. will make a difference - but I'm not sure. | 17:49 |
| bregma | the fact that the desktop has been fairly unchanged for several years means there hasn't been a lot for contributors to do | 17:49 |
| bregma | perhaps getting Canonical's community team to help drum up interest through their usual social media stuff would be a good start? | 17:50 |
| GunnarHj | When Unity 7 was new, Jeremy Bicha did an amazing amount of work. But wasn't he a Canonical emploee at the time? | 17:50 |
| dsmythies | O.K. Sounds like a significant project. It will need a champion. | 17:51 |
| dsmythies | bregma: you willing to take the lead? | 17:52 |
| bregma | I am willing to volunteer, but I have no idea about any doc development workflow, so I would need guidance with that | 17:52 |
| dsmythies | We have spent significant time of recent getting our wiki pages up to date. | 17:53 |
| GunnarHj | bregma: We can certainly help with the workflow part. It would be great if you could announce the need on the list as a starter. | 17:53 |
| bregma | sure, sounds good | 17:54 |
| dsmythies | for doc workflow, suggest the you start by learning how to work within the exisiting desktop help enviroment. | 17:55 |
| dsmythies | what is the timeline for this unity 8? | 17:56 |
| bregma | actually, I'm familiar with that, as far as building docs in various formats locally and getting changes in, but the rest is only a vague handwaving thing in my mind | 17:56 |
| GunnarHj | bregma: Is the plan to create a totally separate set of docs for Unity 8? | 17:56 |
| GunnarHj | bregma: Should it be distributed as a package, or only on the web? | 17:57 |
| bregma | I would go for a totally separate doc, yes, since for at least a while you can have either or both installed on your system at the same time | 17:57 |
| bregma | and the timeline for replacing Unity 7 with Unity 8 is not yet clear | 17:57 |
| GunnarHj | Ok, that speaks for basically creating a skeleton branch based on the ubuntu-docs branch. | 17:58 |
| pmatulis | hi guys | 17:58 |
| dsmythies | Oh, so eventually the current dektop help will not continue. | 17:58 |
| bregma | yeah, that was my first thought | 17:58 |
| dsmythies | pmatulis: Hi. we are on Unity 8 stuff. | 17:59 |
| pmatulis | ok, sorry for being late | 17:59 |
| bregma | yes, eventually I expect Unity 7 will not be included in newer versions of Ubuntu, so neither will the docs | 17:59 |
| dsmythies | GunnarHj: Sound like the new stuff will need to be a package. | 17:59 |
| bregma | is that how the Unity 7 docs get installed today, as a package? | 18:00 |
| GunnarHj | bregma: Yes. | 18:00 |
| GunnarHj | bregma: (and on the web) | 18:00 |
| bregma | then separate guides in separate packages is the easiest approach, and something I know how to do | 18:01 |
| GunnarHj | bregma: For Unity 7 we are using Mallard. | 18:02 |
| dsmythies | bregma: can I set action for you to drum up interest and detail some sort of project plan? The timeline is future sometime T.B.D. | 18:03 |
| bregma | dsmythies, yes please, I will take repsonsibility and the timeline will be to target an initial version for release in 15.10 | 18:04 |
| dsmythies | #action bregma to stimulate interest in unity 8 dektop help guide. | 18:05 |
| meetingology | ACTION: bregma to stimulate interest in unity 8 dektop help guide. | 18:05 |
| dsmythies | #action bregma to create project plan for unity 8 dektop help guide. | 18:05 |
| meetingology | ACTION: bregma to create project plan for unity 8 dektop help guide. | 18:05 |
| dsmythies | bregma: I think you will find an initial target of 15.10 aggressive. | 18:06 |
| imnichol | bregma, I'm not incredibly knowledgeable about this process, but if you need help with anything I'd be willing to assist. | 18:06 |
| bregma | thanks | 18:07 |
| dsmythies | are we done with unity 8 discussion? | 18:08 |
| GunnarHj | Think so. | 18:08 |
| dsmythies | I will try to have 15.04 preliminary help.ubuntu.com content by early next week. I always like to do preliminaty first, so as to identify surprises, so that release day is smooth. | 18:10 |
| * bregma nods | 18:10 | |
| GunnarHj | dsmythies: Is "10.10" in the agenda a typo? | 18:11 |
| dsmythies | No. 10.10 EOL (Serverguide) is end of April. | 18:12 |
| dsmythies | the plan is to move to it once 15.04 final is done. | 18:12 |
| dsmythies | Oh. I mean 10.04 | 18:12 |
| GunnarHj | dsmythies: Thought so. ;) | 18:13 |
| dsmythies | I'll fix agenda later. | 18:14 |
| dsmythies | pmatulis: I mentioned the point releases of serverguide earlier. | 18:14 |
| dsmythies | Anything from serverguide or manual or wiki? | 18:15 |
| GunnarHj | Let's move to the meeting time. | 18:16 |
| dsmythies | pmatulis: Does the change to daylight savings time affect your preferred meeting time? | 18:17 |
| pmatulis | dsmythies: hi | 18:17 |
| pmatulis | dsmythies: in a meeting :) . playing hooky here | 18:17 |
| pmatulis | dsmythies: so if it is 30 min earlier *now* i will be good | 18:18 |
| pmatulis | dsmythies: but yeah, in the winter i would be 1 hour behind | 18:18 |
| pmatulis | dsmythies: so i guess that mean 90 minutes earlier | 18:18 |
| pmatulis | dsmythies: or did i get that backwards? :) | 18:19 |
| dsmythies | O.K. I am confused. so are you saying 17:00 would be bteer for you? or are you saying 16:00 would be better for you? Do others have input? | 18:20 |
| GunnarHj | I'm flexible. | 18:20 |
| dsmythies | I'm flexible. | 18:20 |
| pmatulis | dsmythies: 16:00 | 18:21 |
| dsmythies | O.K. that is 8:00 a.m. my time, which is fine. | 18:21 |
| dsmythies | and in winter that would be 7:00 a.m. my time, which is still fine. | 18:22 |
| pmatulis | alright, action me to change the wiki? | 18:24 |
| dsmythies | I believe pleia2 is also on the west coast of North America, and 7 might be a little early for her. | 18:24 |
| dsmythies | O.K. ;ets try it. | 18:24 |
| dsmythies | O.K. lets try it. | 18:24 |
| dsmythies | #action pmatulis: adjust wiki and banner meeting times. | 18:25 |
| meetingology | ACTION: pmatulis: adjust wiki and banner meeting times. | 18:25 |
| dsmythies | O.K. anything else anybody? | 18:26 |
| pleia2 | I am west coast, but I struggle to attend these meetings anyway, so please do whatever works for all of you | 18:27 |
| GunnarHj | I don't have anything else. (Already in another IRC meeting.) | 18:27 |
| dsmythies | pleia2: O.K. thanks for chiming in. | 18:27 |
| dsmythies | O.K> I'll end the meeting. | 18:28 |
| dsmythies | #endmeeting | 18:28 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Apr 7 18:28:36 2015 UTC. | 18:28 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2015/ubuntu-meeting-2.2015-04-07-17.31.moin.txt | 18:28 |
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