=== rperier_ is now known as rperier [07:15] i am testing kubuntu [07:15] and : [07:16] dolphin freeze when i open a file with kate [07:16] energy saving stuff doesn't work i mean i can't ge my monitor always turn on even putting 99 minutes [07:16] i have seen a lots of crash of plasma [07:16] :D it's a disaster [07:17] plasma 5 it's not ready [07:26] i would agree that plasma5 is nowhere near ready, from what I've seen [07:27] after upgrade (live upgrade) to 15.04, kde wouldn't even log me out, and logging in takes very long [07:28] it's worthless to me at present. Themes also don't work well, by default you cannot select Air with good panel (taskbar) look, and Breeze Dark wouldn't even apply. Icon theme takes a restart (or logout/login) to register or make it through. I get half my icons then in the old theme, half in the new. All weird. [07:29] most window decoration themes are too transparent to even be useful because the window behind always shines through and makes text hardly readable. [07:29] at least everything to do with oxygen and the like [07:30] transparency is a killer here and not a good one [07:31] they are pushing it with the default configuration and nothing else, but that's not KDE [07:31] the change to SDDM in itself is questionable [07:33] when the old configuration was not even up to par yet, too many changes too fast [07:35] i dunno but for me another release with kde4 would be better [07:36] this kubuntu would be like the old ages kde4.0 disaster release [07:36] maybe a little better [07:36] kde4 was very terrible with 0 release [07:46] hmmm, I have breeze dark [07:47] dolphin doesn't freeze when it starts a file with Kate [07:47] and no plasma crashes [07:47] but I have a fresh install [07:48] I had the first crash today for weeks [07:48] and that was apport, nothing to do with plasma [07:58] Riddell, ScottK: konversation 1.6 final on its way to the queue [08:00] ;o [08:18] i don't know, I think the upgrade should be similar to the fresh install, but the alpha 2 fresh install did not have those issues at least not the login/logout issues for me [08:19] and hi val [08:20] but at present i am seriously thinking of just debugging the plasma-desktop issues myself [08:20] that i have [08:20] just dedicate a few weeks to reading its source and starting to see what's wrong or what could be wrong [08:21] profiling etc. [08:21] that is, after all, the beautiful thing of open source ;-). [08:22] but I don't even have KDE installed right now, I'm in Ubuntu GNOME [08:22] trying to see how it compares [08:22] and the customizability is great, it is just impossible to find at first [08:35] oh you dont know what is good :D [08:36] xennex81: if you want to dig into plasma, you will get help at #plasma [08:36] right thanks [08:37] there is just a resource hog inside that process that kills my fun in kde4/kubuntu 14.10 [08:37] plasma5 is now blazing fast in comparison [08:37] valorie: i did a fresh install new user but i got crashes [08:37] but I still don't know yet if it has to do with SDDM/Lightdm or not at all... [08:37] true, and hey this week Plasma 5.3 beta will be released :) [08:38] so kde4/kubuntu 14.10 boots up real fast I'm in the system within a minute easily, but it slows down after a few minutes and in the end it is so unresponsive that i can't use it anymore [08:38] oh wait, tars this week, beta next [08:38] right [08:38] valorie: try this , go in the home directory , then try to open bashrc file with kate [08:39] i think it works for her, but there may be anomalies due to whatever? GPU drivers? [08:39] well vivid migt be slower when booting, dunno how much it is related to switch to systemd [08:39] not sure... at all. [08:39] xennex81: could you try this too ? [08:39] so many changes makes it hard to single out the causes for any user [08:39] try this , go in the home directory , then try to open bashrc file with kate xennex81 [08:39] i don't have kubuntu installed right now [08:39] maybe in a few days again [08:39] oh [08:40] i am just bitching about in Gnome :P [08:40] io have kubuntu 15.04 and kubuntu 14.04 [08:40] to get a better grasp of the Ubuntu ecosystem/phletora [08:40] :D [08:40] Peace-vivid: opens fine for me [08:40] i guess [08:40] but the annoyance that has been there for a while is: [08:40] soee: open righ t, then try to work now on dolphin [08:40] but mu .bashrc is a symlink to file in my cloud server [08:40] soee: it should be freezed [08:41] Peace-vivid: works fine [08:41] "open folder" in firefox opens up in either wine-browser or in gwenview-explorer [08:41] but not in dolphin [08:41] soee: have you tried to enter in another folder ? [08:42] i have seen a report about that before, months ago [08:42] Peace-vivid: yes, i can navigate, view files, show hidden etc etc [08:42] xennex81: that shoudl be easy to fix [08:42] i know, i guess [08:43] but if its the default that it don't work [08:43] that's very annoying for a regular or new or even experienced user [08:43] because it means you need to spend time fixing small things [08:43] soee: damn why i have this shit then http://i.imgur.com/bLhyqUu.png [08:43] and there can be many [08:44] you said kate uses dolphin to open a file right [08:44] and it locks or anything [08:44] xennex81: no [08:44] Peace-vivid: i have no idea tbh. try starting dolphin from konsole and see if it outputs some data [08:44] xennex81: dolphin => select a text file => right click => open with kate => back to dolphin => dolphin freezed [08:44] dolphin tries to open Kate on a file? [08:45] ok [08:45] back to dolphin means: close Kate, or alt-tab? [08:45] do not close anythging [08:45] just switch app [08:45] right [08:45] clear [08:45] sounds perhaps like a permission thing to me, but not sure of course [08:47] xennex81: it's not permission [08:47] xennex81: soee look at this http://i.imgur.com/ZeeqWRi.png [08:48] Peace-vivid: what if you disable samba [08:48] those locations that use it [08:49] mm i guess i have not samba [08:49] let me check [08:49] infact no samba installed [08:49] lol i could install kate and see what it does with nautilus, but I don't think that will help :P [08:49] i will try to install then [08:50] also check if you might have some extra services enabled in dolphin that might cause it [08:50] nah don't worry [08:50] but it happens only when kate is running ? [08:50] yes [08:50] i would see if there is anything other, different file types, etcetera [08:50] it would be weird if it was singled out to just kate right? [08:50] what about another editor? [08:50] after close kate i got this [08:51] wait for upload [08:51] the key to chaining into kate can't be all that special, even if its a homeborn kde app [08:51] http://i.imgur.com/Js8vsow.png [08:51] Peace-vivid: some not so ogn bug report https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339094 [08:51] KDE bug 339094 in general "Dolphin hangs up when opening a file in Kate from it. Only happen when using a already open kate session." [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [08:52] Peace-vivid: read the last bug comment what it fixes [08:52] soee: mm try the solutiion [08:52] i've had issues before in plasma5 that a regular app would not start [08:52] that i started using alt-F2 [08:53] at one point I could not open a Konsole that way, I believe [08:54] exactly the same right? Peace-vivid [08:54] but this shoudl work in BEta 2 as it uses 5.2.2 [08:55] Peace-vivid: are you running Vivid with latest updates ? [08:55] soee: i guess so [08:55] i did my wonderfull alias yesterday [08:56] i just did u ; g -y and i got sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade [08:56] so dolphin hangs because it wants to display the error message "cannot open /usr/bin/kate" [08:56] yes [08:56] and the -b flag to kate would not stall it because it goes into daemon mode or something [08:56] or background [08:57] i don't know [08:57] in backgroud i tried to remove -b [08:57] and it at least doesn't hangs [08:57] oh, to remove it [08:57] okay [08:57] right, so same thing exactly? [08:58] the patch changed Kate [08:59] not dolphin (weird place to fix it then...) [08:59] i guess i solved my problem soee thank you for diggin out the solution [08:59] Peace-vivid: cool :) [09:00] easy patch too :P [09:00] i am still not too happy about using git myself [09:00] it is or seems to extremely complicated [09:00] just working in another branch has its score of difficulties [09:01] git ? :) [09:01] yeah === Peace-vivid is now known as Peace- [09:01] how to you branch and then selectively add or commit the changes when you merge? [09:01] i still don't know [09:01] oh well i wont argue as i m using it since i started versioning code and dont know alternatives :) [09:01] i can go into a branch, then do a git stash (or git stash -u I guess) [09:02] then checkout that stash into the branch [09:02] selectively [09:02] then drop the stash for the remainder [09:02] and then merge that I guess [09:02] but I haven't done it very well yet, I'm still learning [09:02] i only used SVN momentarily back in the day [09:03] but it uses absolute copies of branches, which feels safe [09:03] real copies [09:03] xennex81: i use git with dolphin :D [09:03] that sounds awfully complicated regardless of what you want to do :P [09:03] haha [09:03] it may very well be :P [09:03] when i change something i want to work in a fresh directory [09:03] that's the definition of a branch mostly [09:04] but git only has a working directory [09:04] so you branch and you checkout and then the working directory is your branch [09:04] feels unsafe, but okay, but still... [09:05] your safety depends on knowing how not to ruin things :P [09:05] that is git to me :) [09:05] i learned that you also need a rebase option to pull or you get in trouble with merges [09:06] git doesn't really have a directory at all. git has commit objects that contain stuff and when put together they form the repo content [09:06] i have often had a rebase followed by a pull and the pull adds all of the commits of the remote (origin) to the stack that is already there [09:06] so then suddenly I have not 20 commits (for example) but 40 [09:06] which cannot be applied all, because they conflict [09:06] Oo [09:07] and the only way I have been able to go aroudn that is to use push -f or push origin +master [09:07] Oo [09:07] haha yeah [09:07] sitter: your eyes ... :D [09:07] I think you should read a guid to merge and rebase :P [09:07] i ahve [09:07] i have [09:07] although [09:07] not all yet [09:07] there is a very good guide somewhere [09:07] i have been printing it [09:07] but it says very very very little on merges [09:08] maybe because it should already be clear, I skipped a part [09:08] anyway I am just learning and experimenting [09:10] i can't print at this point, printer driver not installed etc [09:11] i use git log --oneline a lot now [09:11] and git log --stats [09:11] but git does have a working directory, it just changes the structure of the visible directory(ies) to whatever you have checked out [09:11] which means constantly moving and deleting and adding files [09:11] or perhaps I don't know [09:12] let's say it maintains a working directory [09:13] can you reproduce that working directory when you just have the .git directory? Of course, should be possible with checkout? [09:14] but i like pushing the stash and then doing checkout -p [09:14] checkout -p stash i think [09:14] i really like reviewing my changes [09:14] before commit....................... [10:18] tsdgeos: about distro ended up in kinfocenter for kinfocenter [10:20] ok [10:59] Howdy folks === benonsoftware is now known as clockwork === clockwork is now known as benonsoftware [11:08] konversation update landed in vivd :) [11:13] sitter: plasma-sdk is likely to come to plasma 5.3, is it on the todo list fo CIing? [11:15] never heared of it [11:17] * sitter thinks people should announce changes like moving into a release scope and porting on the release team list [11:17] Riddell: I'll take a look once I am done breaking the volume applet [11:19] Riddell: also I am not sure I am confident with moving it into plasma 5.3, might be better to have it do a standalone release allowing for faster iteration and then move into 5.4 === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [13:19] soee: :) i did my job look at the minimize maximize close buttons :D http://i.imgur.com/Jb6nwqL.png [13:23] Peace-: now close button is most important on whole desktop :D as it is biggest one [15:52] yofel: you'll be happy to hear that I just wrote a lint test to make sure CI'd builds have a Vcs-Browser and Vcs-Git|Bzr set ;) [17:40] is kubuntu-backports ppa still valid? [17:40] does it provide KF5? os just KDE SC 4? [17:42] ovidiu-florin: kubuntu-ppa/backports is the PPA, it provides backports to the more recently released version of kubuntu which 14.10 KDE SC 4 [17:42] but it will provide backports of Plasma 5 for vivid once that's out [17:43] we're starting to get adoption of KDevelop and other KDE applications at work [17:43] and of course everybody wants the latest [17:43] but they are mostly using Ubuntu LTS [17:44] so I'm looking for which ppa do they need to get the latest KDE on the latest Ubuntu LTS syste [17:44] mm, lts is stable and doesn't tend to get updates [17:44] they won't run Plasma [17:44] ever IMO [17:45] they just need the applications, [17:45] so no kwin, no plasma, nothing else [17:45] just apps and their depencencies [17:48] so is kubuntu-ppa/backports what I'm looking for? [17:50] ovidiu-florin: yep, it has KDE SC 4.14.2 in it [17:52] Riddell: I see in backports I still have KDevelop 4.7.0 [17:52] KDevelop 4.7.1 was release almost 2 months abo [17:52] if not more [17:52] released [17:59] ovidiu-florin: right nobody is doing those backports currently, it needs more person-power [18:00] we need good kubuntu promoton to get more users willing to help :) [18:02] maybe xennex81 wants to become an elite packager and do more backports :) [18:02] huh, what? :P [18:02] haha [18:02] xennex81: do you want to package KDevelop 4.7.1? [18:03] you mean backports from a newer version of Kubuntu to an older? [18:03] Riddell: I thought the packaging process was automatic. Isn't it? [18:03] I don't know I don't have the stability yet [18:03] to do anything fancy [18:04] xennex81: stability of what? [18:04] personal life [18:04] shouldnt we support current and LTS ? [18:04] (with packages) [18:04] ovidiu-florin: alas not yet [18:04] soee: ideally yet, but person-power is lacking [18:05] Riddell: why not yet? [18:07] personally I think I will be sticking to 14.10 versions and the like, I like that for some reason. But I also wanted to install a Ubuntu Server thing and then KDE on it. [18:07] I never got that far though because I couldn't get any wifi going in Ubuntu Server back then (few months ago) [18:08] so perhaps if I am better settled and know a bit more about everything I might take up something like that, don't know yet [18:08] it would then center on the .10 versions [18:09] i seriously want to debug plasma-desktop on 14.10 :P [18:09] maybe next month [18:09] Riddell: why not yet? [18:10] i still hate the Kubuntu/Ubuntu/Linux ecosystem though in some way but I just couldn't stand staying with Windows. [18:10] nothing to do, and not a good platform for coding and experimenting [18:10] I feel the Linux brand should disappear and be replaced by Ubuntu/Debian ;-). [18:11] xennex81: did you know you can't find the word "linux" on the Ubuntu.com website? [18:11] right :) :) [18:11] very good :D [18:12] we're proud of our heritige [18:12] I've always been with Debian, as long as I can count :p at least since I first managed a home server [18:12] when cable internet was new [18:13] i'm really dying to get some work done, to contribute somewhere in some way... [18:14] quite literally a bit because my own projects have disappeared on me it seems [18:14] don't know [18:15] perhaps in two days I will install a full fresh 15.04 again [18:17] my skill lies mostly with Java and PHP, if I still have any skill... [18:17] and nowadays Bash lol [18:18] trying to make everything or most of it Dash compatible, as per the great Steve Riley :p. [18:21] ovidiu-florin: packaging isn't automatic because while harald's stuff can scoop in the latest from git that's different from scooping in the latest from tars [18:24] oh interesting, notifcations stared to show up where they should [18:25] system should't install any packages that are useless for me, like some packages related to radeon :( [18:30] Riddell: I fail to see how that's different [18:30] OMG hte feedback.... [18:30] you people like to type [18:31] ahoneybun: ping [18:31] ahoneybun: can you please take care of the text/content feedback? [18:31] I'll take care of the visual, and technical [18:32] Riddell me and jose are planning to put the site on a Canonical server. So I'm confirming that [18:32] the Download page needs a complete redesign [18:32] as do other pages [18:41] groovy [18:43] frecel: want to become an elite kubuntu packager? [18:44] Riddell: it's hard to say no when the title includes the word "elite" ahaha [18:44] frecel: all kubuntu packagers are elite [18:44] and good looking [18:44] by packaging for kubuntu you become elite and good looking [18:45] I'm sold, how do I get started? [18:45] frecel: I can give you a tutorial if you are free for an hour or two [18:45] there's also lots of guides to read [18:46] and well practice is the main way :) [18:46] actually you just caught me home because I'm an a lunch break [18:46] I have to go back to work in 10 minutes [18:46] once your siesta is done? :) [18:46] I know you canadians love your siestas [18:48] When I work, I work hard, when I rest, I rest properly [18:52] Riddell: Can you pm me links to the stuff I need to read, I have made some deb packages before but it's been a while so it won't hurt to refresh my memory [18:54] anyways I gotta run back to work, ttyl [18:56] frecel: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/ but ignore the UDD stuff that's just confusing [18:56] frecel: https://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging is a quick intro [18:56] https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ probably more involved [18:56] and to test it out you could try backporting kdevelop to 14.10 and 14.04 [18:56] or you could try packaging the new digikam [18:57] ovidiu-florin: I'll get to it. [18:57] awesome === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work [18:58] * Riddell high fives ahoneybun and ovidiu-florin [18:58] ovidiu-florin: whos feedback should I follow? VDG? [18:59] which ever talks about text or images content, and not the website arancement or functionality [18:59] ahoneybun: ^ [18:59] ok let me check the thread [19:00] * ahoneybun high fives Riddell bac [19:00] *back [19:00] * ovidiu-florin does a three way high five [19:00] XD [19:00] 4, including soee [19:00] yes [19:01] * yofel hugs everyone [19:01] you're awesome XD [19:02] :) [19:02] ovidiu-florin: On the features page, several of the images could be cropped or slimmed down a bit; another trick might be overlaying the text on top of visually uninteresting (white-space) portions of the screenshots - maybe having a bit of background under the text overlay to ensure legibility. [19:02] ahoneybun: the ideea is good, but we can't do that only for a few images [19:02] we should do that for all, or none [19:05] yea [19:08] the IM is KDE Telepathy right? [19:11] ahoneybun: yep [19:12] although the name doesn't tend to be used in UI [19:12] Riddell: why? [19:12] ovidiu-florin: I guess the devs don't think another random brand is useful and want it to just be "IM" [19:19] ovidiu-florin: I could preview like images for the screenshots, use less space [19:19] what? [19:21] http://imgur.com/WF0h2es [19:23] ovidiu-florin: ^ [19:23] I'm not sure I get it [19:25] oh [19:30] ScottK: bug 1400730 is verified if you're in a useful mood (the security dudes asked it to be done as they want to update it) [19:30] bug 1400730 in libxext (Ubuntu Utopic) "libxext fills up .xsession-errors log files" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1400730 [19:35] ovidiu-florin, Riddell: just to confirm, we're hosting @ Canonical's and I'll file tickets and get everything moving once the final version is all ready [19:35] they're just waiting for us [19:37] jose: there's only 2 weeks until release, and I guess release time is busy for sysadmins, maybe it's best to start that process now? [19:37] Riddell: I'd need to have the site and exports and everything as it'll be on their servers with me to start the process [19:37] but elmo's aware [19:39] ovidiu-florin: so maybe best to process the current load of feedback then get it moved to canonical? [19:40] Riddell: that was the plan [19:40] great [19:40] as I mentioned in my email [19:40] perfect [19:41] I'm ready when you guys are. if I'm not that responsive, I've gone to university, but I can always respond to Hangouts or email. [19:42] Riddell: around? [19:44] ovidiu-florin: I made some changes to the text on the homepage [19:44] http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/ [19:46] ahoneybun: remove break line from first line [19:46] "reviewboard.movidius.com/reviews/" [19:46] ah [19:46] " worldwide community of" [19:48] hi ahoneybun [19:49] I changed the homepage a bit [19:49] http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/ [19:50] ovidiu-florin: I think the break is needed [19:51] ahoneybun: why? [19:52] spaces out the paragraphs [19:53] ovidiu-florin: someone made a comment about the linux icon being old so I found this one http://imgur.com/IV3PjAD [19:54] Riddell: what do you think about the picture? [19:54] personally I don't like the font [19:55] ahoneybun: the paragraph alingment is aligned by visual elements [19:55] not line breaks [19:55] it does not seem to work [19:55] what? [19:56] you're removing the wrong break line [19:56] not the space between the paragrapsh [19:56] the " worldwide community of" and "developers,testers..." should be on the same line [19:58] fixed ovidiu-florin? [19:58] may I edit? [19:58] yes, now it's fixed [19:58] yea I need to go fax something [19:58] brb [19:59] fax? [19:59] where and who do I have to ping to get my userbase translator account? [20:04] ovidiu-florin: what changed? what picture? [20:04] Riddell: take a look, adding the contribute menu item is too much [20:04] one or 2 items have to go [20:04] the new linux picture that ahoneybun proposed [20:05] shall I copy the link here again? [20:05] Quintasan: ping [20:10] Riddell: http://imgur.com/IV3PjAD [20:14] ahoneybun: lovely :) [20:14] ovidiu-florin: I think it looks fine [20:26] "Kubuntu is a way to use your computer that does not break away from the ideal of being around friends." [20:26] what do you think? :P [20:26] . [20:52] what online tool can I use to make a pool that poeple can vote on? [20:55] ovidiu-florin: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/ ? [20:56] Riddell: doodle also has a voting option [20:56] not just schedule [20:56] yep [21:00] Riddell: what does "Additional ifneedbe answer for busy participants." mean? [21:02] found it: Yes-No-Ifneedbe Poll: In a basic poll, the people you invite can only respond “Yes” or “No.” This option adds a third possible response, “If need be,” to give you more detailed information on participants’ availability and flexibility. [21:03] it's a "maybe" option [21:09] http://doodle.com/vnd3bm7tq8tqxfsc [21:13] all read the description before you vote [21:19] * Riddell snoozes [21:27]