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| suncokret | when you expect Lubuntu 15.04 to come? | 19:39 |
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| wxl | !release | suncokret | 19:40 |
| ubottu | suncokret: Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 9 months to 5 years. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases | 19:40 |
| wxl | oops wrong one | 19:41 |
| wxl | suncokret: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule | 19:41 |
| wxl | tl;dr apr 23 | 19:41 |
| suncokret | i know that :) | 19:41 |
| suncokret | i mean for this new | 19:41 |
| suncokret | it will be for about 10 days? | 19:41 |
| wxl | april 23 | 19:41 |
| wxl | 23 - 8 ≠ 10 :) | 19:42 |
| suncokret | and how long is in plan to keep lxde? | 19:42 |
| wxl | until lxqt is released | 19:42 |
| wxl | hopefully 15.10 will be lxqt | 19:42 |
| suncokret | and 16.04 will be lts? | 19:43 |
| wxl | yep | 19:43 |
| suncokret | so it is in plan for 16.04 to be LTS with lxqt? | 19:43 |
| wxl | there is no set in stone plan | 19:43 |
| wxl | lxqt needs to be 100% good before we can release it | 19:44 |
| suncokret | so it have posibility to 16.04 still be with lxde? | 19:44 |
| wxl | it's possible | 19:44 |
| suncokret | i hope | 19:44 |
| wxl | everything's possible | 19:44 |
| suncokret | because i like lxde | 19:44 |
| wxl | but lxde is going away | 19:44 |
| wxl | there's really no development of it happening upstream | 19:44 |
| wxl | and gtk is fraught with problems | 19:44 |
| suncokret | and tell me, if 16.04 will be with lxqt, will we have posibility to install lxde too? | 19:45 |
| wxl | no | 19:45 |
| wxl | i mean i'm sure it will still be in the repos but we're not going to support it | 19:45 |
| wxl | it's not going to be a checkbox like "choose between lxqt or lxde" | 19:46 |
| wxl | if you want to do the work to switch everything out, you can, but you're on your own | 19:46 |
| suncokret | so it will be in repos like xfce, and we will can install it from repos? | 19:46 |
| wxl | yep | 19:46 |
| wxl | until it dies on the vine | 19:46 |
| wxl | which will eventually happen | 19:46 |
| suncokret | i didn't try lxqt, is it have very similar look like lxde? | 19:47 |
| wxl | um | 19:47 |
| wxl | no | 19:47 |
| wxl | unless you think lubuntu and kubuntu look a lot a like :) | 19:47 |
| suncokret | so in future if somebody use lxde it can be problem to run some programs? | 19:48 |
| wxl | basically the difference between the two is the graphics libraries | 19:49 |
| wxl | so let's go through some examples: | 19:49 |
| wxl | * you have lxde (and thus the gtk libraries) | 19:49 |
| wxl | * you want to use a program that uses qt | 19:50 |
| wxl | * you install the qt libraries | 19:50 |
| wxl | * it works | 19:50 |
| wxl | and vice versa for lxqt and a gtk app | 19:50 |
| wxl | but: | 19:50 |
| wxl | you have lxqt and want to use some lxde application (like the old lxpanel or something) -- might be a little funky | 19:50 |
| suncokret | what is vice versa | 19:53 |
| suncokret | ? | 19:53 |
| wxl | in latin, it means "the other way around" | 19:53 |
| suncokret | so lxqt will have similar lightweight and it will be more configurable? | 19:54 |
| suncokret | and it will use qt libraries | 19:54 |
| suncokret | ? | 19:54 |
| suncokret | which version of Lubuntu you use? i plan to use 14.04 until new LST come, or maybe until it have support :) | 20:00 |
| wxl | suncokret: yes, lubuntu is still about being lightweight. | 20:34 |
| wxl | suncokret: i use 14.04 mostly but that's mainly because i'm lazy :) | 20:34 |
| MajB | wxl: From what I have read LXQT uses only slightly more resources that LXDE uses. | 20:36 |
| MajB | Most of us are going to bloat it up anyway. | 20:36 |
| wxl | MajB: no, what you read was that at that current point in development, it used slightly more | 20:36 |
| wxl | the goal, of course, is to get it on par or less | 20:37 |
| wxl | which should be attainable | 20:37 |
| suncokret | i am lazy too, but i think it is better to use 14.04 because it is LTS | 20:37 |
| wxl | i wouldn't call it "better" | 20:37 |
| wxl | sometimes more recent software is better | 20:37 |
| MajB | I use 14.04 but have 14.10 also installed. | 20:38 |
| wxl | i've used bleeding edge versions full time and never really ran into problems | 20:38 |
| suncokret | for me is better because it have 3 years support | 20:39 |
| MajB | I have not had a problem with 14.10 and do not expect to have a problem with 15.04. | 20:39 |
| MajB | Let's not hang on to 14.04 just because it is LTS. Remember when there was no LTS. | 20:40 |
| MajB | I have used Lubuntu since before it was an approved flavor. | 20:40 |
| MajB | Every 6 months we waited to see what the new version would bring. | 20:41 |
| MajB | There are always problems and most of them get fixed or patched before the release. If not the smart guys/gals come up with a work around. That is part of the fun of using Linux. | 20:42 |
| suncokret | i don't have time to set 14.10, or 15.04... 14.04 works great for me, i don't have problems | 20:48 |
| MajB | Great. That too is the beauty of Linux. | 20:49 |
| suncokret | i have problem... how i can have sound on speakers when i put headphones in? | 20:52 |
| suncokret | when i put headphones cable in, then i don't know how to change sound to go to speakers, only way is to take headphone cable out | 20:56 |
| wxl | well said, MajB. with that atittude, i'm surprised you're not an ubuntu member and/or a regular contributor | 21:05 |
| MajB | suncokret: That is the generally desired outcome. Plug in the headphones and that automatically mutes the speakers. | 21:05 |
| wxl | suncokret: unmute the speakers | 21:05 |
| suncokret | how to unmute speakers? | 21:07 |
| MajB | wxl: I contribute to the Ubuntu forums, Ask Ubuntu, and the LXDE forum. Never got around to applying for membership. Having too much fun doing other stuff. | 21:07 |
| wxl | suncokret: alsamixer | 21:09 |
| wxl | suncokret: alternately are running pulseaudio? | 21:09 |
| wxl | suncokret: you can check with with `ps aux | grep [p]ulse` | 21:10 |
| MajB | suncokret: Google is a Linux user's second best friend. http://www.googlubuntu.com/results/?cx=006238239194895611142:u-ocqbntw_o&q=How+to+get+speakers+to+work+when+headphones+are+plugged+in&sa=Search&cof=FORID:9 | 21:10 |
| suncokret | i use pulseaudio | 21:13 |
| wxl | suncokret: if you're running pulse, see here for lots of workarounds https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/921397 | 21:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 921397 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "Speaker audio channel goes mute after plugging in the headphone" [Undecided,Triaged] | 21:13 |
| suncokret | and in out devices i have analog headphones | 21:13 |
| suncokret | and analog out | 21:13 |
| wxl | out is out :) | 21:14 |
| suncokret | when i choose analog out speakers still don't work | 21:14 |
| suncokret | only when i plug out headphones, then speakers work | 21:14 |
| wxl | you need to make it unmuted and pump up the volume | 21:14 |
| wxl | suncokret: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16306867/xfce-speakers-stays-on-when-headphones-is-connected also might be useful | 21:15 |
| * wxl doesn't like using pulse because then you have to make sure that both pulse and alsa are on the same page | 21:15 | |
| wxl | MajB: ahh well coool. thanks for the help. if you want some help applying for membership, i'd be happy to help. | 21:15 |
| wxl | MajB: it does have its benefits https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership#Benefits_of_Membership (includes a nice cloak on irc so i can't see what your ip address is anymore) | 21:16 |
| suncokret | that is not same problem | 21:16 |
| wxl | suncokret: the first one is | 21:17 |
| suncokret | i go to pulse mixer | 21:17 |
| suncokret | and when i in out devices choose analog out | 21:17 |
| suncokret | it is not mute | 21:17 |
| wxl | is it up all the way? | 21:17 |
| suncokret | but i hear sound on headphones | 21:18 |
| suncokret | nothing on speakers | 21:18 |
| suncokret | now i have sound on speakers too, i disable option auto-mute in alsa mixer, now i have sound on speakers and no headphones | 21:32 |
| suncokret | is there option auto-mute in pulse audio? | 21:32 |
| suncokret | thanks for help, good night | 22:15 |
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