[19:39] <suncokret> when you expect Lubuntu 15.04 to come?
[19:40] <wxl> !release | suncokret
[19:41] <wxl> oops wrong one
[19:41] <wxl> suncokret: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule
[19:41] <wxl> tl;dr apr 23
[19:41] <suncokret> i know that :)
[19:41] <suncokret> i mean for this new
[19:41] <suncokret> it will be for about 10 days?
[19:41] <wxl> april 23
[19:42] <wxl> 23 - 8 ≠ 10 :)
[19:42] <suncokret> and how long is in plan to keep lxde?
[19:42] <wxl> until lxqt is released
[19:42] <wxl> hopefully 15.10 will be lxqt
[19:43] <suncokret> and 16.04 will be lts?
[19:43] <wxl> yep
[19:43] <suncokret> so it is in plan for 16.04 to be LTS with lxqt?
[19:43] <wxl> there is no set in stone plan
[19:44] <wxl> lxqt needs to be 100% good before we can release it
[19:44] <suncokret> so it have posibility to 16.04 still be with lxde?
[19:44] <wxl> it's possible
[19:44] <suncokret> i hope
[19:44] <wxl> everything's possible
[19:44] <suncokret> because i like lxde
[19:44] <wxl> but lxde is going away
[19:44] <wxl> there's really no development of it happening upstream
[19:44] <wxl> and gtk is fraught with problems
[19:45] <suncokret> and tell me, if 16.04 will be with lxqt, will we have posibility to install lxde too?
[19:45] <wxl> no
[19:45] <wxl> i mean i'm sure it will still be in the repos but we're not going to support it
[19:46] <wxl> it's not going to be a checkbox like "choose between lxqt or lxde"
[19:46] <wxl> if you want to do the work to switch everything out, you can, but you're on your own
[19:46] <suncokret> so it will be in repos like xfce, and we will can install it from repos?
[19:46] <wxl> yep
[19:46] <wxl> until it dies on the vine
[19:46] <wxl> which will eventually happen
[19:47] <suncokret> i didn't try lxqt, is it have very similar look like lxde?
[19:47] <wxl> um
[19:47] <wxl> no
[19:47] <wxl> unless you think lubuntu and kubuntu look a lot a like :)
[19:48] <suncokret> so in future if somebody use lxde it can be problem to run some programs?
[19:49] <wxl> basically the difference between the two is the graphics libraries
[19:49] <wxl> so let's go through some examples:
[19:49] <wxl> * you have lxde (and thus the gtk libraries)
[19:50] <wxl> * you want to use a program that uses qt
[19:50] <wxl> * you install the qt libraries
[19:50] <wxl> * it works
[19:50] <wxl> and vice versa for lxqt and a gtk app
[19:50] <wxl> but:
[19:50] <wxl> you have lxqt and want to use some lxde application (like the old lxpanel or something) -- might be a little funky
[19:53] <suncokret> what is vice versa
[19:53] <suncokret> ?
[19:53] <wxl> in latin, it means "the other way around"
[19:54] <suncokret> so lxqt will have similar lightweight and it will be more configurable?
[19:54] <suncokret> and it will use qt libraries
[19:54] <suncokret> ?
[20:00] <suncokret> which version of Lubuntu you use? i plan to use 14.04 until new LST come, or maybe until it have support :)
[20:34] <wxl> suncokret: yes, lubuntu is still about being lightweight.
[20:34] <wxl> suncokret: i use 14.04 mostly but that's mainly because i'm lazy :)
[20:36] <MajB> wxl:  From what I have read LXQT uses only slightly more resources that LXDE uses.
[20:36] <MajB> Most of us are going to bloat it up anyway.
[20:36] <wxl> MajB: no, what you read was that at that current point in development, it used slightly more
[20:37] <wxl> the goal, of course, is to get it on par or less
[20:37] <wxl> which should be attainable
[20:37] <suncokret> i am lazy too, but i think it is better to use 14.04 because it is LTS
[20:37] <wxl> i wouldn't call it "better"
[20:37] <wxl> sometimes more recent software is better
[20:38] <MajB> I use 14.04 but have 14.10 also installed.
[20:38] <wxl> i've used bleeding edge versions full time and never really ran into problems
[20:39] <suncokret> for me is better because it have 3 years support
[20:39] <MajB> I have not had a problem with 14.10 and do not expect to have a problem with 15.04.
[20:40] <MajB> Let's not hang on to 14.04 just because it is LTS.  Remember when there was no LTS.
[20:40] <MajB> I have used Lubuntu since before it was an approved flavor.
[20:41] <MajB> Every 6 months we waited to see what the new version would bring.
[20:42] <MajB> There are always problems and most of them get fixed or patched before the release.  If not the smart guys/gals come up with a work around.  That is part of the fun of using Linux.
[20:48] <suncokret> i don't have time to set 14.10, or 15.04... 14.04 works great for me, i don't have problems
[20:49] <MajB> Great.  That too is the beauty of Linux.
[20:52] <suncokret> i have problem... how i can have sound on speakers when i put headphones in?
[20:56] <suncokret> when i put headphones cable in, then i don't know how to change sound to go to speakers, only way is to take headphone cable out
[21:05] <wxl> well said, MajB. with that atittude, i'm surprised you're not an ubuntu member and/or a regular contributor
[21:05] <MajB> suncokret:  That is the generally desired outcome.  Plug in the headphones and that automatically mutes the speakers.
[21:05] <wxl> suncokret: unmute the speakers
[21:07] <suncokret> how to unmute speakers?
[21:07] <MajB> wxl:  I contribute to the Ubuntu forums, Ask Ubuntu, and the LXDE forum.  Never got around to applying for membership.  Having too much fun doing other stuff.
[21:09] <wxl> suncokret: alsamixer
[21:09] <wxl> suncokret: alternately are running pulseaudio?
[21:10] <wxl> suncokret: you can check with with `ps aux | grep [p]ulse`
[21:10] <MajB> suncokret:  Google is a Linux user's second best friend.  http://www.googlubuntu.com/results/?cx=006238239194895611142:u-ocqbntw_o&q=How+to+get+speakers+to+work+when+headphones+are+plugged+in&sa=Search&cof=FORID:9
[21:13] <suncokret> i use pulseaudio
[21:13] <wxl> suncokret: if you're running pulse, see here for lots of workarounds https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/921397
[21:13] <suncokret> and in out devices i have analog headphones
[21:13] <suncokret> and analog out
[21:14] <wxl> out is out :)
[21:14] <suncokret> when i choose analog out speakers still don't work
[21:14] <suncokret> only when i plug out headphones, then speakers work
[21:14] <wxl> you need to make it unmuted and pump up the volume
[21:15] <wxl> suncokret: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16306867/xfce-speakers-stays-on-when-headphones-is-connected also might be useful
[21:15]  * wxl doesn't like using pulse because then you have to make sure that both pulse and alsa are on the same page
[21:15] <wxl> MajB: ahh well coool. thanks for the help. if you want some help applying for membership, i'd be happy to help.
[21:16] <wxl> MajB: it does have its benefits https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership#Benefits_of_Membership (includes a nice cloak on irc so i can't see what your ip address is anymore)
[21:16] <suncokret> that is not same problem
[21:17] <wxl> suncokret: the first one is
[21:17] <suncokret> i go to pulse mixer
[21:17] <suncokret> and when i in out devices choose analog out
[21:17] <suncokret> it is not mute
[21:17] <wxl> is it up all the way?
[21:18] <suncokret> but i hear sound on headphones
[21:18] <suncokret> nothing on speakers
[21:32] <suncokret> now i have sound on speakers too, i disable option auto-mute in alsa mixer, now i have sound on speakers and no headphones
[21:32] <suncokret> is there option auto-mute in pulse audio?
[22:15] <suncokret> thanks for help, good night