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didrocksgood morning06:08
pittibonjour didrocks06:18
didrockshey pitti06:20
* pitti pulls his hair out on the racy systemddm tests06:21
didrockspitti: do you have the journalctl order?06:22
didrockswould be interesting to see the boot ordering, at least, if it's been run06:22
didrocksI wonder why it became racy suddenly…06:23
pittiI mean I get the self.assertTrue(self.is_active_unit('systemddm')) failure pretty much always in jenkins, but almost no time when I run it manually06:23
pittiI'll try to get a journal the next time it happens06:23
pittibut it's just a matter of waiting a bit longer AFAICS06:24
didrockswith the "wait for job-list to be empty", right?06:24
pittiyes06:25
pittiand no "activating" jobs any more06:26
didrockscrazyness…06:26
seb128hey didrocks pitti desktopers06:26
didrockshey seb12806:26
pittibonjour seb128, ça va ?06:27
seb128pitti, oui, très bien, et toi ?06:27
pittije vais bien aussi, merci !06:28
pittiApr 08 06:29:25 autopkgtest systemd[1]: start request repeated too quickly for systemddm.service06:30
pittididrocks: ^ could it be that?06:30
didrockspitti: oh, that shouldn't happen, interesting…06:31
didrockslet me look at systemddm06:31
larsumorning!06:31
didrockspitti: so, it can be the qemu issue06:32
didrockspitti: see create_systemd_dm_unit(), I'm copying the lightdm.service06:32
didrocksremoving the Bus= line (as it won't match)06:32
didrockspitti: but that's what is used in all tests06:32
pittididrocks: no, I mean could this be triggered simply by the fact that the tests start/stop systemddm very often?06:34
didrockspitti: oh, you removed the 2s…06:34
pittididrocks: before it says "systemddm.service holdoff time over, scheduling restart."06:34
didrocksso yeah, we maybe burst the limit06:34
pittiah, then I'll put that back06:34
didrockspitti: good catch!06:35
didrocksthat or removing the limit in the .service file06:35
pittididrocks: right, I get that by manual systemctl stop/start too06:35
didrockspitti: so StartLimitBurst=42?06:36
pittididrocks: I'll try setting DefaultStartLimit* in /run/systemd/system.conf.d/autopkgtest.conf06:38
didrockspitti: hum, impacting all tests? Do you think it's not a trap for future-tests?06:40
pittididrocks: ah, you mean only add that to systemddm.service?06:41
didrockspitti: yeah, seems safer to me?06:41
didrocksin the create_systemd_dm_unit() method06:42
pittididrocks: I was concerned it would also affect lightdm.service, but it actually hasn't so far06:42
didrockspitti: actually, systemddm.service is the service that is the most activated in the tests06:42
didrocksthat's why others are not impacted I guess06:42
pittididrocks: hm, can I append something with that fileinput iterator?06:43
pittiah, I'll append it after [Service]06:43
didrockspitti: I was going to propose that06:44
didrocksif (line == "[Service]"):06:44
didrocks    print(line)06:44
didrocks    print("StartBurst…")06:44
pittididrocks: right, I tried that, with burst=1 and limit=30, but that still doesn't reproduce it06:46
pittididrocks: might actually be easier to call systemctl reset-failed during the "reload stuff"06:47
didrockspitti: makes sense, and even better06:48
pittididrocks: hm, that line mangling doesn't work for me, but anyway, I'll try the reset-failed06:52
* pitti -> errand, bbl06:54
willcookemorning all07:43
happyaronmorning willcooke07:44
willcookehey happyaron - how's it going?07:45
happyarongreat, releasing new version of sogoupinyin atm07:45
willcookeawesome!07:46
seb128hey willcooke happyaron07:47
didrocksgood morning willcooke, happyaron07:48
happyaronhey seb12807:48
happyarondidrocks: morning :)07:48
seb128willcooke, I read the meeting log yesterday, you didn't get my email with my weekly summary? :-/07:48
seb128I sent it in the morning in case I was not around07:48
seb128in reply to the weekly email reminder07:48
willcookehey seb128, erm, yeah - I'd marked it as read and then it vanished off my radar.   Sorry about that07:54
seb128willcooke, no worry07:55
Laneyyo08:03
seb128howdy Laney!08:03
didrockshey Laney!08:06
Laneyhello my pals from across a bit of water08:06
Laneyhow is it going?08:06
willcookeLaney, you're talking about Grafham Water right?  In which case, I'm fine!08:08
Laneythat place will forever be about school trips to me08:09
willcooke:D08:09
willcookeVery boring bike rides for me08:09
LaneyI remember being shown around a sewage treatment plant there one time08:10
Laneyit was a good life08:10
willcookeWhen I used to do IT support for Anglian Water I went to *that* sewage works.  For reals, no foolin08:10
LaneyThat's the kind of crash you don't want to have ...08:11
willcooke:D08:11
seb128larsu, did you open a bug about the greeter/hidpi/bg flicker issue?09:00
seb128Laney, not sure if you saw me mentioning the new cairo the other day, unsure if that's an update worth getting in vivid still? maybe you want to have a look to it? ;-)09:01
LaneyYeah I have it on a list09:01
seb128great, thanks09:02
larsuseb128: I did not, because there are already some that go in that direction. I did however forget to ping robert_ancell. Thanks for reminding me09:03
seb128larsu, yw09:03
seb128larsu, I think I'm just going to disable the scaling on the greeter for vivid09:03
seb128there is still the menus issue also which is unfixed09:03
seb128darkxst, Laney, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/201946184/adwaita-icon-theme_3.14.0-2ubuntu7co1.diff might be for you (it's in the sponsoring queue)09:03
larsuseb128: ok. I won't bother robert then until the sprint09:03
larsuneeds some discussion anyway09:04
seb128larsu, k, makes sense09:04
Laneyseb128: ya, I have cairo written down09:06
Laney& will look at that other one, thx09:06
seb128Laney, you already replied 5 minutes ago, but thanks :-)09:07
Laneydid I?09:07
seb128<Laney> Yeah I have it on a list09:07
Laneymust have been dreaming09:07
larsuI was about to say...09:07
Laneyat least I said the same thing both times09:07
larsubut then didn't in case I misread something again09:07
seb128lol09:07
larsuLaney: getting old?09:07
Laneyirc, bug report, two man pages, staring out of the window at the sunny day09:07
Laneytoo many inputs09:08
seb128those damn windows09:08
seb128wonder if we get some of those in the sprint hotel this time09:08
Laneywe can go work in hyde park if not09:08
seb128under the rain?09:09
larsuhow's the weather in england?09:09
willcookeI vote for a boat on the lake in Hyde Park09:09
seb128they have roofs on their boats right?09:09
willcookelarsu, right now - it's bloomi' lovely09:09
seb128or you just end up being between 2 layers of water?09:09
* seb128 stops mocking the british weather09:09
willcookeYou can only get so wet, right?09:09
larsuso can my laptop09:10
pittiLaney: so vila also has a machine with a missing /etc/rcS.d/*networking link; I'm beginning to suspect some ancient upgrade bug here09:21
pittiLaney: I asked other reporters in bug 1430675 to check for this09:21
ubot5bug 1430675 in systemd (Ubuntu) "fails to set up a bridged network interface" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/143067509:21
pittiLaney: but I think it might not hurt to upload an ifupdown which re-creates the symlink if it's entirely missing09:21
pittiLaney: update-rc.d disable will create a K??networking symlink instead, so we can tell apart that case and not break that09:22
Laneypitti: You mean if there's no /etc/rcS.d/K??networking then re-enable the service?09:29
darkxstseb128, I still need to apply for -desktop, for these things I guess09:29
pittiLaney: yes; i. e. if there is no rcS.d/*networking at all09:30
pittiLaney: at least for vila it happend around the upgrade to trusty, but apparently was hidden by the /etc/init/networking.conf upstart job09:31
pittior we add a proper networking systemd unit09:31
vilapitti: haaaa, that's what made it work with upstart, thanks, was wondering...09:32
LaneyI guess applying a hammer would be reasonable09:33
darkxstseb128, that said the diff makes sense, since probably files moved from gnome-themes into adwaita-icon-theme09:33
seb128darkxst, right09:36
darkxstseb128, so +1 from me, just can't actually sponsor it09:40
seb128darkxst, noted, thanks, I think Laney was looking at uploading it09:40
Laneyya09:40
pittiLaney: uploaded ifupdown with that hack now, FYI10:10
Laneypitti: thanks, hopefully someone didn't fix it manually & can verify10:19
pittiLaney: I removed the symlink here and tested the upgrade in both cases10:20
willcookeConfirmation that there is a "do" on in the office on release day evening.10:42
willcookepopey, are you in the office on release day?  Perhaps we could arrange a meet up at a pub with community guys?  (There's probably already something planned?)10:42
popeyI am10:42
willcookewoot10:42
popeyThere always was in the past a release party10:42
popeybut interest wained10:42
popeyand people wanted different things10:43
willcookeI say a pub and a few jars10:43
popeyoffice people wanted a typical noisy london bar to unwind in, whereas community people actually wanted to chat to people10:43
willcookelet's arrange something10:43
popeywillcooke: speak to msm and cvd10:43
popeycvd has a thing on that week which finishes on thurs, she talked to me yesterday about beer and pizza for her dept in the office10:44
willcookejust spoke to cvd, hence confirmation of an office event - but I'm thinking of some beers outside the office for an all inclusive thing10:44
popeyI'd be up for us nominating a pu to be in10:44
popey+110:44
popey*Pub10:44
willcookepopey, I'll start a thread on the UK mailing list10:45
popeynice one.10:45
Laneypick a nice real ale pub pleases10:45
Laney:-)10:46
* willcooke googles10:46
* Laney goes to get the tome10:46
LaneyGBG 201510:46
willcooke\o/10:46
willcookeThere's a Brewdog place which is supposed to be good - but might be a bit hoppy for "brown beer" fans#10:46
popey+1 to fartybeer10:50
Laneysheaf or old king's head10:53
willcookeLaney, you're on the Ubuntu UK mailing list right?10:53
Laneyin the vicinity of london bridge anyhow10:53
Laneyya10:53
willcookeoki, just sending an email to that list, if you'd like to pitch in there?10:54
Laney'kay10:55
willcookethx10:55
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desrtgood morning, desktopanoj13:20
seb128hey desrt13:20
desrthihi13:20
desrtseb128: did you try testing that patch on the bug?13:21
seb128desrt, no, since teuf commented saying it doesn't work for him13:21
* desrt has one negative feedback so far but suspects that maybe it was tested wrong13:22
seb128I can if you want though13:22
desrtlet me ping teuf first and see what his exact case is13:22
desrtmaybe there's something i missed13:22
popeyis it still possible to uninstall systemd on vivid and have a working system?13:22
popeyor have we passed the point of no return?13:22
seb128popey, yes, you can keep using upstart, that's what ubuntu touch is doing13:22
popeyok, thanks13:23
popeyremoving systemd complains...  policykit-1 : Depends: libpam-systemd but it is not going to be installed13:24
seb128didrocks or pitti might know about that13:24
popeyI have a bug and the current suspect is systemd, wanted to remove it as a quick test to confirm that13:24
* ogra_ isnt so sure about bein able to remove it on desktop ... 13:25
seb128well, at least you can use a different init system13:25
seb128not sure about uninstalling either13:25
ogra_we draw a trick on touch to keep it out of the image ... removing it on desktop would remove ubuntu-standard at least13:25
pittipopey: no, you can boot with upstart a single time or permanently (upstart-sysv), that's going to be supported until 16.04 at least13:26
ogra_and has propbably dependency issues in packages the phone doesnt ship13:26
pittipopey: you can't remove systemd; you can remove systemd-sysv and replace it with upstart-sysv13:26
pittipopey: but we need logind and other bits from that package13:26
popeygreat, thanks13:27
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seb128Laney, larsu, does https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity-settings-daemon/dont-scale-greeter/+merge/255512 looks fine to you?13:50
larsuseb128: there's XDG_SESSION_CLASS?13:51
larsuit's not set on my desktop — but I guess it is on the greeter?13:51
seb128larsu, I did start a greeter and string /proc/pidof greeter/environ13:51
larsuwait, two lines up, we don't scale on unity either?13:51
seb128larsu, if you find a better variable let me know13:52
larsunot sure13:52
seb128larsu, right, unity7 handle the scaling factor itself in unity13:52
larsuah, right13:52
seb128we use that fallback for the installer13:52
larsulooks good to me if that env var exists13:52
seb128it does for me13:52
seb128I might ask you to test on your laptop once it's a silo ppa13:52
larsuok, please let me know13:52
seb128thanks13:53
desrtseb128: testing appreciated13:57
desrtlooks like teuf's setup was indeed a bit messed up13:57
seb128desrt, k13:57
desrtthe patch may not be perfect yet, but it will probably work in most cases that we care about13:58
desrtin fact, i just reproduced his problem -- but it's oddly specific, and perhaps completely unrelated13:59
desrtoh.  you're in #gtk+.  i'll stop the play-by-play :p13:59
RiddellNoskcaj, Laney: am I ok to upload gnome-keyring 3.15.92 for a fix blocking logout?14:05
LaneyRiddell: If you upload 3.16.0, yes. :)14:07
seb128Riddell, bonus point if you upload the new stable 3.16 or find somebody wanting to do that14:07
Riddelloh 3.15 is unstable?14:09
seb128yes14:09
Laneyodd/even version scheme14:09
Riddellso how come it isn't uploaded already? don't you have an automated/scripted way to update them all?14:10
seb128well, it's semi automatic, but you want an human verification, especially after beta14:13
seb128you guys just get script throwing updates in the archive?14:13
Riddellalas not quite yet but we have it all buliding continuously and we have weekly isos from that to test http://kci.pangea.pub/14:14
Riddellbut still needs to get that connected with the "make tars" step and the "package tars" step14:15
seb128cyphermox, hey, do you think you could maybe review https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1248720?14:22
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1248720 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Bluetooth ON/OFF button switches OFF automatically" [Medium,Confirmed]14:22
cyphermoxok14:22
seb128cyphermox, thanks :-)14:23
cyphermoxseb128: is it a know issue that sometimes notify-osd won't disappear?14:50
seb128cyphermox, do you have your cursor over it?14:50
cyphermoxno14:50
ogra_just get a second mouse and keep one over it :P14:50
cyphermoxsounds like a less optimal plan than killall notify-osd ;)14:51
* ogra_ is full of helpful tips today :D14:51
seb128cyphermox, not know then14:51
cyphermoxok14:51
cyphermoxI'll report it with a video of the screen as soon as I get it again14:51
cyphermoxit seems to happen often when I get pinged14:51
seb128cyphermox, are you sure you client is not buggy and keep refreshing the notification or something?14:52
cyphermoxwell, it's a possibility but it usually does work properly14:52
seb128cyphermox, check the dbus activity to make sure14:52
cyphermoxcool, will do14:52
seb128larsu, can you try the debs from https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-015/+build/7308452 and see if your desktop is still scaled but the greeter not/if that resolve the flickering issue at login15:07
larsuseb128: on the phone, will try ion a bit15:09
seb128larsu, no hurry, thanks15:09
willcookeqengho, https://plus.google.com/+FrancoisBeaufort/posts/gymYoHEeQUN15:22
willcooke\o/15:22
willcooke(via didrocks, thanks)15:22
qenghoYep, we don't have to wait 12 weeks. Already backported to stable.15:23
didrocksnice!15:23
willcookewoo!  rock on15:24
seb128qengho, that means it's going to be in vivid?15:24
qenghoYes.15:25
seb128desrt, that patch fixes the apport issue15:25
seb128desrt, it's used instead of gedit15:25
seb128desrt, commented on the bug to say so15:26
desrtcool15:30
desrtam still looking into the teuf problem15:30
desrt(in fairness, this fixes his issue too -- but he has another issue that he accidentally uncovered)15:30
desrtbtw: that patch has a leak in it, so don't distro-patch it or anything :)15:30
seb128yeah, I read that15:38
seb128Riddell, thanks for the gnome-keyring update :-)15:39
Riddellseb128: well we'll just see if the tests pass!15:42
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greybackTrevinho: hey, my apps lens isn't working in unity7, does it have a log file I could look into? Or where could I start to learn why?16:10
Trevinhogreyback: it generally happens when the lens crashes16:10
Trevinhogreyback: killing unity-scope-home and loader generally fixes it...16:11
Trevinhoas for the log....16:11
greybackTrevinho: /usr/bin/unity-scope-loader applications/applications.scope applications/scopes.scope commands.scope16:11
greyback/usr/bin/unity-scope-loader: error while loading shared libraries: libunity.so.9: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory16:11
greybackdoesn't look right to me...16:11
Trevinhonot much, as these are loaded by unity via dbus calls, but...16:11
Trevinhooh, right16:12
greybackTrevinho: should that work? I have libunity9 installed16:13
Trevinhogreyback: make sure it's all installed and in right paths...16:13
Trevinholdd /usr/bin/unity-scope-loader will fail, I guess16:13
greybackTrevinho: indeed, libunity.so.9 not found. but it in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu16:14
Trevinhooh, other libs are picked from that path I guess...16:15
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Trevinhoso, mhmh, maybe it's a broken link?16:15
greybacklrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     17 Aug  8  2014 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libunity.so -> libunity.so.9.0.216:16
greybacklrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     17 Oct 29 20:49 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libunity.so.9 -> libunity.so.9.0.216:16
greyback-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 670296 Aug  8  2014 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libunity.so.9.0.216:16
greybacknothing looks wrong, /me scratches head16:16
seb128try to ldd on the binary?16:16
greybackI just reinstalled libunity9, now it works16:17
Trevinhothe classic way :D16:17
greybackonly change I see is date: 17 Oct 29 20:49    ->  Aug  8  201416:18
Trevinhomd5sum also, I guess...16:18
greybacktoo late16:19
* greyback hopes his ssd is ok16:19
Riddellseb128: ok it passed tests, now you can thank me :)16:23
seb128Riddell, thanks! :-)16:25
larsuseb128: I can't install that ("installing unity-settings-daemon would break unity")16:25
larsu deconfiguration is not permitted (--auto-deconfigure might help)16:25
seb128larsu, ?!16:25
seb128larsu, can you pastebin the full log?16:25
larsuseb128: hm, I made a typo passing auto-deconfigure before. Seems to have worked now16:26
seb128larsu, why did you need to use that option at all?!16:27
larsuI don't know :)16:27
seb128do you still have the log?16:27
larsujust rebooted16:28
larsubut this was the only message16:28
seb128k, weird16:28
larsuwhen installing unity-settings-daemon woth dpkg -i16:28
seb128maybe your previous dist-upgrade had issues or something16:28
larsuok. set scale factor in displays or somewhere else?16:28
seb128no16:28
seb128things should just work normally16:28
larsuno?16:28
seb128e.g boot should give you a non-scaled greeter16:28
larsuI'm not running scaled right now16:28
seb128you shouldn't have flickering on login16:29
seb128then desktop should be hidpi scaled16:29
larsubut I need to set that16:29
larsubecause I usually don't16:29
seb128I though your laptop was hidpi?16:29
larsuI run it natively :)16:29
seb128well, I was more interested if it fixes your greeter/login flicker issue16:29
seb128that was scaled before that update right?16:29
larsuyes, greeter is native and no flickering16:29
seb128k16:29
seb128maybe try a guest session and see if that's scaled?16:30
seb128but that scaling factor is set by unity so it should work16:30
larsuguest session is not scaled16:30
larsubut setting scale factor for my session works16:31
seb128hum :-/16:31
seb128k, I guess it's another issue/not new16:31
seb128larsu, thanks16:31
larsumight be just under the treshold at 2880?16:31
seb128right16:31
larsuanyway seems to work. thanks seb128!16:32
seb128larsu, thanks for testing!16:32
* willcooke -> EODish. Will probably be back later16:42
seb128willcooke, have fun!16:43
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popeycyphermox: have you got a moment to help me debug something that I think is nm related?18:36
davmor2cyphermox: it's a trap run you fool ;)18:42
cyphermoxI'm already debugging NM, what's one more data point :)18:43
popeycyphermox: bug 144105318:48
ubot5bug 1441053 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Two network adapters on same LAN causes 30s drop-outs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144105318:48
popeybasically my network drops for ~20-30s every minute while I have wired and wifi connected. Disconnect wifi, and use wired only, it's fine.18:49
sarnoldpopey: reminds me of 143633018:49
popeyooh18:49
popeyit could be that18:49
popeyits driving me potty18:50
davmor2cyphermox: yeah I think the nm in vivid has some issues, the kind that would get a man put in a padded cell with a jacket that fastens at the back ;)18:51
popeyooh, there's a patch there18:56
popey192.168.1.0     *               255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 eth018:59
popey192.168.1.0     *               255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 wlan018:59
popeylooks plausible. same metric for both interfaces18:59
cyphermoxthat one is on my list too, but is very not easy to fix19:07
Laneycyphermox: my pet bug is bug #1422096 if that's not on your list (or is maybe a dupe) :-)20:06
ubot5bug 1422096 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Occasionally no network on resume" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/142209620:06
LaneyI only know how to restart n-m to fix it which is scary because about 10% of the time that locks up my machine20:06
Laneyrussian roulette20:06
Laney:)20:06
* cyphermox weeps20:06
cyphermoxheh, the fact that it sees there is a lxc bridge and whatnot shouldn't be affecting attempts to connect to wifi20:07
Laneycould file it upstream and/or try a snapshot if you want20:09
cyphermoxyeah maybe file it upstream20:12
cyphermoxI also see something suspicious here, but I'm busy with other bugs20:12
Laneyalso I'm not on 10.1 yet20:12
Laney& ubuntu2 has a fix to hide these devices20:13
Laneylemme dist-upgrade and see what happens20:13
Laneyalthough that's applet so I don't know how much will ...20:13
Laneycould this wifi BE any slower? </chandler bing>20:17

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