[00:11] <nhaines> Aww, devel-proposed on Flo installed via MultiROM Manager just reboots.
[00:32] <muka_> how  can I press ctrl+X in terminal using nano?
[00:34] <nhaines> The newest Terminal app added support for this.
[00:39] <yacuken_off> hi all
[00:59] <yacuken_off> my modules installed to /lib/modules instead of /lib/modules/`uname -r`. and for now i can't do modprobe (look in /lib/modules/3.4.0-cyanogenmod-g67427e6/). insmod doesn't work too. how to fix this?
[01:11] <Elimin8er> 268 people< would figure there would be someone here to help.
[01:12] <nhaines> Elimin8er: I'm logged into IRC 24/7, and connect to my client on a virtual server from time to time.  That's how most people use IRC.
[01:13] <nhaines> That way I can scroll back and catch up on important channels.
[01:13] <nhaines> But more importantly, it's 12:15am or 1:15am for most of the engineers working on Ubuntu.
[01:14] <Elimin8er> nhaines, Yes I know that.. but you would think someone would be around
[01:15] <nhaines> Why would one think that?
[01:15] <Elimin8er> Pard me, im American
[01:15] <nhaines> So am I.
[01:15] <nhaines> !patience
[01:16] <Elimin8er> Its ok, I havent even asked a question.. I wouldnt know how to ask what I need help withm
[01:16] <nhaines> IRC etiquette means that typically there's not a lot of "I don't know" repsonses.
[01:17] <nhaines> It doesn't mean that no one's around.  It just means that no one's available with an answer.
[01:18] <Elimin8er> ill give it a try, I have built alot of CM roms for a few diffrent devices, No problem there.. But I have problems trying to port this ubuntu-touch to my LG G3 (d851).. I get sometning about cant find config specs for cm_d851, Which might be my first mistake.
[01:19] <Elimin8er> Does Ubuntu-Touch allow you to use cm sources?
[01:19] <nhaines> Not that I'm aware of.  AOSP only.
[01:19] <Elimin8er> I keep hearing other people use cm as well
[01:20] <Elimin8er> there isnt really device spec for the d851
[01:20] <Elimin8er> asop even
[01:20] <Elimin8er> even the guide kept talking about going off of cm
[01:21] <Elimin8er> cm would make it simple to port.. AOSP would make it a little more harder.
[03:15] <bzoltan> dobey:  The SDK provides a bit more than just a UI for the build tools. Code completion, syntax highlight, context sensitive help, API documentation, manifest and apparmor file creation, project conversion, device detection and so on. The Ubuntu SDK is a tool itself. The milage to acomplish several development task is much less with the SDK than with plain CLI tools.
[06:41] <dholbach> good morning
[06:42] <robin-hero> morning
[06:42] <nhaines> dholbach: I got my Nexus 7 today, but it appears that MultiROM Manager + Ubuntu doesn't work so well.  :)
[06:42] <nhaines> I'll try the dualboot app soon.  Maybe when vivid looks more useful.
[06:43]  * dholbach crosses fingers :)
[06:44] <robin-hero> I noticed there is an unfamiliar card for me on trello board: "Regression Testing: ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed Arale 157" Is Arale is a codename for an other device? For MX4? :)
[07:51] <robin-hero> How can I download a mail attachment from dekko? It is always show the content-hub. But I only want to download to the downloads folder.
[07:53] <brunch875> note to self: write an app which can "open" everything and store it wherever
[07:55] <robin-hero> brunch875: So I think I can't do this yet. Right?
[07:55] <DanChapman> robin-hero: does filemanager not come up as a destination when downloading the attachment?
[07:55] <brunch875> it doesn't
[07:55] <robin-hero> DanChapman: No, it's not on the app's list
[07:56] <ogra_> brunch875, heh, that would be an interesting challenge given that our security model doesnt allow apps to write outside of their cache dir in your home ...
[07:56] <ogra_> (filemanager excepted here ... )
[07:57] <brunch875> CHALLENGE ACCEPTED
[07:57] <ogra_> haha
[07:57] <DanChapman> robin-hero: hmm that's a bug then. I'm not sure if that's a dekko or filemanager bug though. Need to check that as really filemanager should appear for any mimetype in my opinion
[07:58] <brunch875> should probably file a bug for downloading stuff like this
[07:58] <brunch875> it's not only dekko
[07:58] <brunch875> it happens with the web browser too
[08:01] <robin-hero> heh, I solved it. :) Downloaded with wget from terminal :)
[08:02] <brunch875> unfortunately this doesn't work with redirection mazes which are common in some webpages for downloads
[08:02] <brunch875> :<
[08:06] <DanChapman> robin-hero: :-D that works. or you could have looked in /tmp after dekko downloaded it and you would have found it
[08:15] <Guest77917> hello, how to display Notification (from app ) to the tap named Notifications in status bar?
[08:16] <Guest77917> the tab named Notifications in status bar
[08:20] <Guest77917> hello ?
[08:21] <brunch875> I'm sorry, I can't help :x
[08:21] <brunch875> I haven't started making apps myself
[08:22] <Guest77917> ^_^
[08:22] <brunch875> don't worry, devs will eventually read your question. They're just working hard and check this chat via polling :p
[08:26] <brunch875> Guest77917: did you check this? https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/platform/guides/push-notifications-client-guide/
[08:28] <Guest77917> thanks very much!
[08:28] <brunch875> cheers man! Happy hacking
[08:55] <Se7> morningv:)
[08:56] <brunch875> Good morning Se7!
[08:56] <Se7> hey brunch875 <3
[08:56] <Se7> how are you?
[08:57] <brunch875> My back aches! I think I got ill
[08:57] <brunch875> hopefully I only slept in a bad position
[08:58] <Se7> or to much exercise in the bed :P
[08:59] <brunch875> Hah, now I undestand what they mean by "sleep tight"
[08:59] <Se7> lol
[09:02] <Se7> i was thinking that is it s a bit weird that you can answer messages without unlock the phone
[09:03] <brunch875> well, it's definitely more comfortable
[09:03] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Draw a Picture of a Bird Day! :-D
[09:03] <brunch875> is it?
[09:03] <brunch875> is it, really?
[09:03] <ogra_> Se7, there is a setting to disable that
[09:04] <Se7> o.0 really
[09:04] <ogra_> in the lock settings
[09:04]  * Se7 have a look
[09:05] <ogra_> you can disable the launcher and the notification list
[09:06] <brunch875> JamesTait: done and done http://imgur.com/5DXlcBl
[09:06] <Se7> nothifications and quick setting?
[09:07] <JamesTait> Very good, brunch875!
[09:08] <ogra_> Se7, right
[09:08] <Se7> tnx ogra_ :)
[09:09] <brunch875> I personally would remove my lock, but I need it to enable developer mode
[09:09] <ogra_> yeah, that will be fixed within the next months
[09:10] <brunch875> hoorray!
[09:10]  * ogra_ just needs a bit of time to update the adbd sources, then i'll start working on key authentication ... that will make passwords useless
[09:11] <ogra_> the adb we ship is still quite old
[09:11] <brunch875> it's april, which means... 15.04!
[09:11] <brunch875> will phone also get updates like this?
[09:11] <ogra_> no
[09:12] <ogra_> he phone gets monthly updates ... only very remotely boound to the distro cycle
[09:12] <brunch875> interesting...
[09:13] <Se7> but monthly it s too long no?
[09:13] <Se7> for the phone i mean
[09:13] <ogra_> we will re-base the phone release on 15.04 soon, but then development and fixing goes on on top of that
[09:13] <robin-hero> I really looking forward for the next week's update, I don't want to charge my phone everyday :D
[09:13] <Se7> right ogra_
[09:13] <brunch875> battery life will improve?
[09:14] <robin-hero> brunch875: yes
[09:14] <ogra_> i'm at 63% after 3 days here
[09:14] <robin-hero> much better
[09:14] <brunch875> I'm surprised... my old phone lived half a day
[09:14] <brunch875> 3 days 63%?
[09:14] <Se7> not every day robin-hero but you can solve a bug in a day maybe
[09:14] <brunch875> you're kidding!
[09:15] <ogra_> nope :)
[09:15] <Se7> and i think it s and i think it s better to give the fix a sson you got it
[09:15] <ogra_> Se7, with 50 not found bugs ?
[09:16] <ogra_> it needs serious testing before we release it to the masses
[09:16] <robin-hero> ogra_: 3 days 63% with normal use?
[09:16] <ogra_> no, with not much use
[09:16] <Se7> yes ogra_ i agree
[09:17] <ogra_> one/two calls a day, a few times checking and posting on G+ ...
[09:17] <Se7> for that i am annoying you :P
[09:17] <robin-hero> 2 days with normal use and 3-4 days with not much use is enough for me :)
[09:18] <ogra_> if you actually use it i guess you get along with 2-3 days ... if you never wake it up i'd say you get ~8 days
[09:18] <Se7> for me 2 days using it a lot when i m working
[09:18] <ogra_> http://i.imgur.com/UuOqvqW.png
[09:18] <ogra_> proof ^^^
[09:19] <robin-hero> ogra_: That sounds very cool, much better than my similiar Android phone. :)
[09:19] <ogra_> (just dropped by 1% when i took the screenshot)
[09:19] <Se7> with bluethoot and gps on as well
[09:19] <nhaines> On my Nexus 5, you boot up Ubuntu, on lock the phone, and then throw it as high up in the air as hard as you can.
[09:19] <ogra_> yeah, i always use the defaults
[09:19] <nhaines> Then the battery and gravity can have a race.
[09:20] <robin-hero> nhaines:  :D
[09:29] <James> raceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/click", line 86, in sys.exit(main()) File "/usr/bin/click", line 82, in main return mod.run(args) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/commands/chroot.py", line 266, in run return args.func(parser, args) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/commands/chroot.py", line 68, in create return chroot.create(args.keep_broken_chroot) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/c
[09:30] <mcphail> I'm getting good battery life on stock rtm on the bq phone (if the battery stats are accurate). I'm rarely getting below 70% on 1 day's use. I'm charging overnight out of habit rather than necessity. With such low battery usage, I'm wondering whether the restriction on background apps could be eased... :)
[09:30] <Guest3974> in create self._debootstrap(components, mount, archive) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/chroot.py", line 451, in _debootstrap archive File "/usr/lib/python3.4/subprocess.py", line 561, in check_call raise CalledProcessError(retcode, cmd) subprocess.CalledProcessError: Command '['debootstrap', '--arch', 'amd64',
[09:30] <Guest3974> , '--variant=buildd', '--components=main,restricted,universe,multiverse', 'vivid', '/var/lib/schroot/chroots/click-ubuntu-sdk-15.04-armhf', 'http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu']' returned non-zero exit status 2
[09:31] <Guest3974> hello，error appear when create click target for armhf
[09:32] <nhaines> mcphail: there's a way for background apps to get things done if they need to.  :)
[09:34] <mcphail> nhaines: an official way?
[09:37] <Guest3974> and no error appear when create desktop and i386
[09:38] <nhaines> mcphail: I'm pretty certain.
[09:39] <Guest3974> ???
[09:39] <mcphail> nhaines: is this a new thing? Up until now, apps have been stopped or killed when backgrounded
[09:41] <mcphail> What is the best way to install debug symbols for Qt and libc on the device without breaking OTA updates?
[09:43] <mcphail> or is there some way to load the debug symbols into the remote debugger and not mess with the device at all?
[09:44] <dholbach> ogra_, do you know what could cause http://paste.ubuntu.com/10771459/?
[09:45] <ogra_> dholbach, is the screen unlocked ?
[09:46] <ogra_> (and did you make sure it stays unlocked while this is running)
[09:46] <dholbach> ogra_, yes it is unlocked
[09:46] <ogra_> weird
[09:47] <ogra_> bad cable ?
[09:47] <dholbach> I can connect using 'phablet-shell'
[09:47] <dholbach> and it's working fine there
[09:47] <nhaines> I blame the user.
[09:47] <ogra_> heh
[09:48] <ogra_> dholbach, well, worst case flash with the device in recovery ... that error output is a bit sparse
[09:49] <dholbach> right, ok - I'll try that next then
[09:49] <dholbach> thanks!
[09:49] <popey> dholbach: wasn't me :)
[09:49] <ogra_> liar !
[09:49] <popey> but I'll take the credit
[09:49] <yacuken_off> hi all. how to remount system partition as rw?
[09:50] <popey> sudo mount -o remount,rw /
[09:51] <popey> (if you must)
[09:51] <ogra_> mandel, do you see the ubuntu-phone ML ?
[09:52] <ogra_> seems a user cant get his SD recognized
[09:53] <yacuken_off> popey: thanks. but i have this mount: cannot remount /dev/loop1 read-write, is write-protected
[09:53] <dholbach> ogra_, I deleted .cache/ubuntuimages/ and retried the flashing - now it worked
[09:53] <dholbach> (for whatever reason)
[09:53] <ogra_> dholbach, awesome
[09:54] <yacuken_off> kernel modules not loading and depmod not work (read-only file system)
[09:54] <ogra_> sergiusens, ^^^ didnt we change the error messages for u-d-f ? seems now it just silently dies if /cache is full
[09:55] <popey> yacuken_off: is this on ubuntu phone?
[09:55] <ogra_> yacuken_off, thats the message you get for exactly the command popey gave you ?
[09:55] <ogra_> / should be on loop0 iirc
[09:58] <mandel> ogra_, yes, I do but at the end of the day
[09:58] <mandel> ogra_, let me search for it
[09:58] <yacuken_off> popey: 1+1. i build ut and try load wlan module
[09:59] <yacuken_off> ogra_: / is rw after popey command. remount without issues.
[10:00] <yacuken_off> but kernel modules in /lib/modules -> /system/lib/modules. but /system is ro and write-protected
[10:00] <ogra_> right, and has no space even if you make it writable
[10:00] <ogra_> are you doin a port ?
[10:01] <spazzymoto> yacuken_off, im also working on 1+1 port. have you seen this thread https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/wip-ubuntu-touch-for-oneplus-one.266170/page-43
[10:01] <ogra_> *doing
[10:01] <ogra_> oh, i didnt get the 1+1 reference :P
[10:02] <sil2100> pitti: hey! Are the langpack updates happening now?
[10:02] <ogra_> did you guys consider forming a team ? i see three people working on the same device now
[10:02] <spazzymoto> orga_, thanks for all your help :) finally got that dam firmware partition to mount. Now for the slew of other error messages to deal with lol
[10:02] <ogra_> haha
[10:03] <ogra_> congrats at least :)
[10:03] <spazzymoto> im working off mariogrip's work. havent seen him in awhile tho :(
[10:03] <ogra_> ah, cool
[10:04] <ogra_> i saw him join the channel recently, but staying quiet
[10:07] <yacuken_off> spazzymoto: hi. it's good)
[10:09] <yacuken_off> spazzymoto: do you have wlan work?
[10:10] <spazzymoto> yacuken_off, not yet :(. mariogrip created another channel for 1+1 if u want to chat there? ##UbuntuTouchForOPO
[10:13] <pitti> sil2100: I tried to re-upload them immediately, but they still went into a black hole; apparently launchpad has some internal gpg key cache
[10:13] <yacuken> spazzymoto: try build wlan as module. it work for my sailfish port and may be we can load this module in ut? https://github.com/yacuken/android_kernel_oneplus_msm8974/commit/c811e42f4f8c2f6a610c24a3d0b3766d0e9ee22d
[10:13] <pitti> sil2100: I'll check tomorrow's uploads, and if they still get eaten I'll take this up with Colin/William again
[10:15] <spazzymoto> yacuken, cool thanks ill try that this evening after work
[10:16] <yacuken> spazzymoto: me too =)
[10:16] <sil2100> pitti: ok, thanks :)
[10:44] <ANJ7> hey can I install ubuntu on my android tablet?
[10:44] <ANJ7> ubuntu-touch*
[10:44] <popey> !devices | ANJ7
[10:45] <popey> depends which device
[10:45] <ANJ7> http://img6a.flixcart.com/image/tablet/w/z/p/hcl-u1-400x400-imad8ty9yheahphp.jpeg
[10:45] <ANJ7> this one ^^
[10:47] <ogra_> well, if it isnt on the device page you will need the sourcecode for the installed android and can do a port ... this is a pretty advanced thing though
[10:47] <ANJ7> oh, there are only 3 devices on the page btw
[10:51] <popey> ANJ7: scroll down
[10:52] <ANJ7> oh, got it. But my tab isn't mentioned there
[10:52] <popey> there's your answer
[10:57] <ANJ7> popey, do you use ubuntu-touch?
[11:01] <cr|imp> i dont but i would love to
[11:03] <popey> ANJ7: yes
[11:05] <ANJ7> popey: what device?
[11:05] <ANJ7> I would like to buy a cheap one with pre-installed ubuntu on it
[11:05] <popey> ANJ7: a few
[11:06] <popey> I have two bq phones and a nexus 7
[11:13] <sturmflut-work> Hm, if you put a Nexus 4 on german eBay and offer to ship it with Ubuntu you seem to get higher bids than with Android alone
[11:15] <robin-hero> Am I right If I'm say there is no really turn-by-turn navigation app for UT yet?
[11:15] <sturmflut-work> robin-hero: Yes
[11:16] <robin-hero> sturmflut-work: Thanks, I hope it changes soon.
[11:18] <sturmflut-work> robin-hero: A port of OsmAnd would be nice, but the app is so Android-specific it will probably not be possible
[11:19] <robin-hero> I personally prefer Waze, but I'd statistied any navigation app now :D
[11:21] <davmor2> robin-hero: on the official device set here maps to walk rather than drive that gives you the option to access their beta turn by turn
[11:21] <ogra_> popey, Intenso MicroSDXC 64GB Class10
[11:24] <robin-hero> davmor2: thanks, I'll try it sometime
[11:25] <ogra_> popey, sorry, havent found an english page (and amazon doesnt seem to have it) http://www.mediamarkt.de/mcs/product/INTENSO-Micro-SDXC-Card-64-GB-Class-10,48353,464136,1143673.html?langId=-3&uympq=vpqr&gclid=COvMpa_M5sQCFafItAodzjgAuw
[11:26] <sturmflut-work> robin-hero: Well, Waze is not the friendliest company. I prefer OpenStreetMap-based offline data since I contributed a lot to OpenStreetMap and I'm often traveling without Internet access. Also I don't like to be tracked.
[11:27] <ogra_> popey, ah, here http://www.amazon.co.uk/Intenso-Micro-Class-Speicherkarte-SD-Adapter/dp/B00FMB9A30
[11:34] <popey> thanks ogra_
[11:35]  * popey adds to wishlist
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> nhaines: did you put devel-proposed on your n7?
[11:43] <dadexix86> I uninstalled "Remainders", but yesterday showed up in an update. Does someone know why? Should I report the problem? Against which package exactly?
[11:44] <lotuspsychje> dadexix86: maybe its because its a default app of ubuntu touch, it comes back?
[11:44] <ogra_> it shouldnt come back
[11:44] <dadexix86> lotuspsychje, no, it does not shows up in the apps now :)
[11:45] <Mirv> renatu: hi! vivid silo 004 would have the bug #1437300 fix, would you have time to execute the test plan / do your own manual testing and then report on which device + image the silo was tested? I've been running the autopilot tests and it seems to be ok clock + address book but I'm for some reason unable to have the dialer app autopilot tests running for unknown reason (probably unrelated to the silo)
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> dadexix86: wich image have you installed?
[11:45] <dadexix86> lotuspsychje, r20
[11:46] <lotuspsychje> dadexix86: i mean wich channel on wich device
[11:46] <dadexix86> on the bq, the stable (I guess it is the stable, since I did not switch to other branches)
[11:47] <lotuspsychje> ok
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> dadexix86: maybe file a bug, if its not already an existing one
[11:48] <dadexix86> lotuspsychje, against which package? ofono?
[11:48] <ogra_> ofono is for telephony stuff ... :)
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> not sure mate sorry
[11:49] <ogra_> as long as you can make calls, send SMS and get 3G data it is surely not ofono :)
[11:49] <ogra_> dadexix86, where did you see that update, in system-settings ?
[11:50] <dadexix86> ogra_, yes, the standard updates from there
[11:50] <ogra_> so start at system-settings ... (most likely not the fault of the UI app indeed, but a good entry point
[11:50] <ogra_> )
[11:51] <dadexix86> ogra_, what about click update manager? can that be the program?
[11:51] <Mirv> Elleo: thanks for trying to schedule the bug to the next sprint!
[11:52] <ogra_> dadexix86, not sure where you see that
[11:52] <dadexix86> ogra_, it is already signaled bug #1404030
[11:54] <ogra_> hmm, we dont have that package on the phone anymore
[11:56] <Elleo> Mirv: no worries :)
[11:56] <dadexix86> ogra_, then we should remove it from the avengers list :)
[11:58] <ogra_> dadexix86, i added the right task to get it onto pmcgowan's radar
[11:59] <popey> dandrader: done.
[11:59] <popey> er, dadexix86 done
[11:59] <dadexix86> popey, thanks :)
[11:59] <ogra_> popey, i assume you dont have any idea either where that was merged into ?
[11:59] <popey> system settings innit?
[12:00] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+filebug
[12:00] <ogra_> ah, there is no backend tool anymore ?
[12:00] <popey> seb128: might know
[12:02] <dadexix86> I wrote it into system settings #1441594
[12:03] <dadexix86> bug #1441594
[12:08] <ogra_> dadexix86, hmm, would habe been better to just add a system image task to the other bug
[12:08] <ogra_> err system-settings
[12:09] <ogra_> (especially since you already commented there)
[12:13] <dadexix86> ogra_, I am definitely ignorant about it. I do not know what a "task" is :) But I thought that since a package is no longer present there (and probably no more maintained) it would have been better to report it to a "current" package.
[12:14] <ogra_> well, i added a task for the product team to the old bug
[12:14] <ogra_> so they have it on the radar and can also find the right package
[12:14] <ogra_> (as i told you above)
[12:17] <dadexix86> ogra_, now I understand, thank you :) should I mark the second as a duplicate of the first?
[12:17] <ogra_> i'll care for it after talking to pmcgowan once he is up
[12:17] <dadexix86> ok thanks :)
[12:21] <popey> thanks for reporting it dadexix86
[12:30] <pmcgowan> ogra_, hey
[12:34] <ogra_> pmcgowan, yo
[12:34] <pmcgowan> everything good?
[12:34] <ogra_> pmcgowan, see bug 1404030 ... not sure where that should go nowadays
[12:34] <ogra_> (the package seems to have vanished)
[12:35] <seb128> ogra_, popey: what was the question?
[12:35] <pmcgowan> thats odd. ok will check later
[12:35] <ogra_> seb128, click-update-manager ... is that replaced by system-settings or is that another component
[12:36] <seb128> ogra_, settings is only an UI, what was c-u-m doing?
[12:36] <seb128> I guess the backend is ubuntu-download-manager
[12:36] <ogra_> seemingly updating the click packages :)
[12:36] <ogra_> yeah
[12:37] <ogra_> ah, poor mandel then ... this day is full of bugs for him
[12:38] <janimo> stgraber, ogra_ is the hash in the names of touch tarballs related to that of the tarball contents?
[12:39] <ogra_> janimo, there is a hash ?
[12:40] <ogra_> i think thats only genrated when the file gets imported into the pool directory
[12:41] <janimo> ogra_, well it looks like a sha256sum but it may be just a UUID generated from someting else
[12:41] <renatu> Mirv, I will do, thanks
[12:41] <janimo> ogra_, having the name be the hash of the file contents would have been nice
[12:41] <ogra_> janimo, well, thats stgraber land ... not sure, it might actually be
[12:42] <seb128> ogra_, popey, dadexix86, the issue you were discussing is bug #1314382
[12:42] <Elimin8er> Could anyone answer this, Does Ubuntu-Touch build with CM sources or does it have to be only AOSP ? I seen alot of CM areas in the repo manifest, thats why im asking.. and it would be easier to port if it did.
[12:43]  * ogra_ hugs seb128 
[12:43] <ogra_> thanks !!
[12:43] <popey> \o/
[12:43]  * seb128 hugs ogra_ back
[12:43] <seb128> we need somebody to work on the updates code
[12:43] <seb128> quite some issues/bugs in those settings
[12:43] <dadexix86> seb128, thanks! :)
[12:44] <dadexix86> seb128, but in my case it does not come back in the Apps scope :)
[12:45] <seb128> dadexix86, I guess part of the issue got resolved on the click scope side
[12:45] <seb128> dobey might know some details
[12:51] <sturmflut-work> Elimin8er: Sorry, the lower levels are not my area of expertise :/
[12:52] <Elimin8er> sturmflut-work, its ok.. I was only wondering.. I have had no luck in porting
[12:54] <sturmflut-work> Elimin8er: The Porting guide states "Note that this guide focuses on porting to devices present in the AOSP tree and another version will focus on CyanogenMod based ports", so that would mean that you can do a port based on AOSP alone, doesn't it?
[12:54] <jhodapp> mzanetti, ping
[12:55] <mzanetti> jhodapp, hey ya
[12:55] <Elimin8er> sturmflut-work, the manifest has alot of CM downloads.. thats why I asked. or else I wouldnt have asked
[12:55] <Elimin8er> and I seen alot of prting gues that say dif things
[12:55] <Elimin8er> guides even
[12:55] <jhodapp> mzanetti, hey man, do you know if your game that you made that uses the SoundEffect QML component still works well on the latest images?
[12:56] <mzanetti> jhodapp, is this about that pop-that-wrap game bug?
[12:56] <ogra_> Elimin8er, our recovery is still based on CM ... the whole rest is AOSP
[12:57] <jhodapp> mzanetti, not sure what the name of the game is, but you filed the bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/media-hub/+bug/1373088
[12:57] <jhodapp> mzanetti, there is another bug report of someone trying to use SoundEffect but they don't always get sound output
[12:57] <Elimin8er> thank you..
[12:57] <mzanetti> jhodapp, yeah, that's the one I meant (the latter one)
[12:58] <mzanetti> jhodapp, in regard to the first one, I think that's still the case, but my game doesn't use Audio that much any more...
[12:58] <mzanetti> jhodapp, basically I only start the Audio element during transitions of the screen where it is not noticeable
[12:58] <ogra_> audio on phones is overrated anyway ... people should be happy they get pretty pictures :P
[12:59] <jhodapp> mzanetti, ok, but you always get audio in your game?
[12:59] <popey> ogra_: found a cheaper one... http://www.memorybits.co.uk/shop/microsd/sandisk-64gb-ultra-microsdxc-plus-sd-adapter-sdsdquan064gg4a/28252
[13:00] <mzanetti> jhodapp, I would say yes, but in my game there is a lot of stuff happening, can't tell if some of the audioeffects are missing
[13:00] <ogra_> popey, then try it ;)
[13:00] <popey> (thats the brand of 32GB I currently use)
[13:00] <popey> I will! :D
[13:00] <ogra_> the next one i spend money for will be 128G
[13:00] <jhodapp> mzanetti, ok great, just trying to collect some info about it...thanks!
[13:00] <mzanetti> jhodapp, I can reproduce that bug with the linked branch if I touch those bubbles quickly
[13:01] <jhodapp> mzanetti, to where you don't get audio every time?
[13:02] <mzanetti> yes
[13:02] <jhodapp> mzanetti, ok that's great to know
[13:02] <mzanetti> jhodapp, works for the first 10 times, then audioeffect stops playing for like 5 bubbles
[13:02] <mzanetti> that's when it prints that pulseaudio stream error
[13:02] <jhodapp> mzanetti, this is either a qtmultimedia bug or a pulse audio bug then
[13:02] <mzanetti> and then it recovers for a few bubbles
[13:03] <jhodapp> yeah very interesting, seems a pulse issue
[13:04] <jhodapp> mzanetti, thanks for the info
[13:04] <mzanetti> jhodapp, np
[13:04] <sturmflut-work> Wellark: ping
[13:05] <popey> ogra_: yeah, they're still quite spendy... http://www.memorybits.co.uk/shop/search/sandisk-ultra-128gb-microsdxc-uhsi-memory-card-with-sd-adapter/27444
[13:10] <mcphail> Why does the bq phone specify "max 32GB" for SD cards? Is it simply because they don't expect to be able to reformat from exfat?
[13:19] <popey> mcphail: they probably didn't test larger
[13:21] <dobey> seb128, dadexix86: i actually haven't encountered that issue in quite some time. i think there was some fix in click itself that resolved it. there's nothing special in the scope to deal with that situation
[13:34] <sturmflut-work> Does anybody have an idea why my Aquaris E4.5 doesn't automatically update from r16 to r20?
[13:35] <ogra_> even if you go to system-settings -> updates ?
[13:36] <sturmflut-work> ogra_: Jep, tried that. It updates individual apps, but it never offers a more recent image.
[13:37] <sturmflut-work> ogra_: Is there a logfile for the updater?
[13:37] <nerochiaro> Mirv: do you know if the standard for naming packages for QML plugin libraries is documented anywhere ?
[13:37] <mandel> ogra_, what is going on today?? agh
[13:38] <ogra_> sturmflut-work, /var/log/system-image/ has it (needs sudo to read it)
[13:38] <mandel> ogra_, is bug number 1404030, right?
[13:38] <ogra_> sturmflut-work, also check if there is a system-image process in your processlist ... that might be blocking
[13:38] <mcphail> sturmflut-work: is this an issue with having previously mounted / rw?
[13:39] <mandel> I need to re-write that thing from the ground up and hunt down who wrote it and have a long chat with him
[13:39] <ogra_> mandel, we have three bogs now ... 1314382 1404030 and 1441594
[13:39] <ogra_> need to merge them into one
[13:41] <sturmflut-work> mcphail: I don't think so. AFAIR the device never offered to update the image since the moment I opened the packaging.
[13:41] <mandel> ogra_, I must have been a horrible person in the past :-/
[13:41] <ogra_> lol
[13:42] <mcphail> sturmflut-work: mine definitely offered me the update on first boot
[13:42] <sturmflut-work> mcphail: Yeah, I read a lot of reports on G+ about the device immediately updating to r20 after people got it
[13:42] <leouss4dev> hey anyone know how to add qrc file to "QML app with C++ plugin (cmake)" project ?
[13:43] <ogra_> well, we had such cases in the past, where an old system-image process was dangling around ... but that was supposed to be fixed ... and i havent heard about such issues in a long time
[13:43] <ogra_> definitely not since the phone is out
[13:43] <sturmflut-work> mcphail, ogra_: I'll hunt it down, hopefully the problem doesn't fix itself before I find the reason
[13:44] <ogra_> sturmflut-work, in any case file a bug against system-image
[13:45] <leouss4dev> hey anyone know how to add qrc file to "QML app with C++ plugin (cmake)" project ?
[13:46] <sturmflut-work> leouss4dev: You may want to ask that question in #ubuntu-app-devel
[13:46] <leouss4dev> thanks
[13:46] <sturmflut-work> leouss4dev: CMake has Qt integration, there is probably some command for this special purpose
[13:47] <leouss4dev> yeah but I can't find it :/
[13:52] <sturmflut-work> ogra_, mcphail: Interesting, the OTA update files were downloaded to /android/cache/recovery/ the first time the device connected to a WiFi. As expected. But after that I see python errors in the log file. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10773162/
[13:55] <nerochiaro> bfiller: florian things that we need to host qt-halide in a separate ppa from the main phablet-team one. is it possible to set up a new one under phablet-team ?
[13:55] <bfiller> nerochiaro: why?
[13:55] <ogra_> sturmflut-work, looks like a network error...
[13:56] <nerochiaro> bfiller: he thinks that our apps PPA is not the right place since people interested in apps would be unlikely to be interested in the qt-halide library
[13:56] <nerochiaro> bfiller: and vice versa, people only wanting to use the library won't care about the apps
[13:57] <bfiller> nerochiaro: there are no apps in it, it's basically for testing so it's fine
[13:57] <bfiller> nerochiaro: it's just temporary anyway, not worth setting up another ppa
[13:57] <bfiller> nerochiaro: I'm talking about this ppa https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[13:58] <nerochiaro> bfiller: oh, i was using https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa . i will move to that one
[13:58] <Mirv> nerochiaro: at least in bug #1342031 which tries to get people to fix the naming, and the linked Debian message in there
[13:59] <bfiller> nerochiaro: that is same thing
[13:59] <mcphail> sturmflut-work: ogra: looks as if it has asked for the "checking lock" twice without releasing: deadlock???
[14:00] <mcphail> sturmflut-work: line 87 and 97
[14:00] <nerochiaro> bfiller: ok, got confused. then let's leave it there since as you say it is only temporary anyway
[14:01] <sturmflut-work> mcphail: What's the checking lock? A file?
[14:02] <mcphail> sturmflut-work: I would guess so. Could be anything which prevents 2 processes trying to access the same resource concurrently
[14:02] <ogra_> sturmflut-work, mcphail, barry is the guy you want to talk to about this
[14:02] <jgdx> Elleo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1415023 <- maybe I was a bit too eager to affect ukeyboard. What do you think?
[14:02] <ogra_> ...but i think he is at a python conference this week ...
[14:03] <jgdx> Elleo, zsombi suspects it can affect normal forms as well.
[14:03] <Elleo> jgdx: will take a look
[14:03] <jgdx> Elleo, thank you
[14:04] <Elleo> jgdx: the keyboard disappearing suggests that the button is taking focus correctly, so not sure why it wouldn't then also run its pressed handler
[14:05] <zsombi> Elleo: that's a good question, though it may be something else grabbing the focus...
[14:05] <jgdx> Elleo, right. If I create a proxy MouseArea, it works as expected.
[14:05] <zsombi> Elleo: Dialogs have also an InverseMouseArea, however that should be inactive on Dialogs.... or not?
[14:05] <sturmflut-work> mcphail: Damned! I restarted the Update GUI about ten times, now the last line in the log file is "released checking lock from _download()" and the update to r20 shows up in the GUI :/
[14:06] <ogra_> sturmflut-work, well, file a bug with your log, that should be enough for a start
[14:06] <Elleo> zsombi: not sure, I'm not massively familiar with dialogs
[14:06] <sturmflut-work> ogra_: Will do
[14:07] <Elleo> jgdx, zsombi: does the dialog anchor to the keyboard at all? perhaps its pushing the inverse mouse area up in a way that covers the button or something?
[14:07] <Elleo> that's complete guess work though, wouldn't have thought that should happen
[14:09] <zsombi> Elleo: the Dialog uses the OrientationHelper which only calculates the height, however I did not see any anchoring there
[14:10] <jgdx> Elleo, For the test case in the bug, there's no anchoring.
[14:11] <Elleo> jgdx: I'll have a play with your test app and see if I can get a better feel for what's happening
[14:12] <mcphail> sturmflut-work: yes - file a bug. Sounds as if it is a wrinkle ehich needs ironed out
[14:12] <stgraber> janimo: yeah, it kinda is. It's not an hash of the file itself but it's a combined hash of all the files which were used to make the tarball. That's how we detect if something already got imported
[14:12] <jgdx> Elleo, thank you :)
[14:28] <Wellark> sturmflut-work: pong
[14:28] <Wellark> (in a meeting, but shoot!)
[14:29] <spazzymoto> ogra_, whats the best way to include files during the install? ie /etc/init/bluetooth-touch-bacon and /usr/share/bluetooth/bacon
[14:33] <sturmflut-work> Wellark: Hey! Is there a roadmap for the connectivity-api? I filed a couple of bugs against it some months ago because some of my app ideas need more advanced API calls.
[14:37] <Elleo> jgdx, zsombi: okay, what seems to happen is that the button is *pressed* but it's not *clicked*, which I suspect happens because the button moves (due to the keyboard being dismissed), so the touch release event is no longer happening on the button's mousearea
[14:38] <zsombi> CRAP!
[14:38] <Elleo> jgdx, zsombi: if you add a little debugging to AbstractButton.qml to print something onPressed you can see this happening (whereas onClicked doesn't fire)
[14:38] <zsombi> Elleo: nice finding, dude!!!
[14:38] <Elleo> zsombi: thanks :)
[14:38] <zsombi> and that's bad
[14:40] <zsombi> Elleo: I don't think we can really do much about that...
[14:41] <Elleo> zsombi: yeah, my only idea would be to have "activeFocusOnPress: false" and take focus manually as part of the onClicked and onPressAndHold handlers, but that wouldn't be backward compatible for apps deliberately disabling activeFocusOnPress themselves (there'd have to be some other property to let them do that)
[14:41] <zsombi> Elleo: unless we introduce the focus grabbing on clicked
[14:42] <ogra_> spazzymoto, we dont really have a mechanism for that, if a file doesnt exist already in the rootfs we dont add it ... the mechanism only bind-mounts a file from the container on top of an existing file
[14:43] <zsombi> Elleo: the problem with clicked is that it requires event filtering... otherwise if we do not consume the pressed event, we won't get the released anymore...
[14:43] <zsombi> Elleo: and filtering is damn expensive
[14:44] <spazzymoto> ogra_, ok cool thanks
[14:45] <jgdx> Elleo, nice
[14:45] <Elleo> zsombi: yeah, can't think of any other solutions off the top of my head I'm afraid
[14:45] <ogra_> spazzymoto, a hack could be that you ship something in /system/ubuntu/etc/init that uses an existing filename ... i.e. i think we have some mako bluetooth upstart job that you could abuse on the 1+1
[14:46] <Elleo> jgdx: interestingly if you tap really quickly (so the release happens before much hiding has happened) you can get it to trigger ;)
[14:46] <ogra_> spazzymoto, for the extra dir in /usr/share i have no idea though
[14:46] <Elleo> jgdx: for your specific bug you could just not have the button take focus
[14:47] <Elleo> jgdx: since you'll be presumably dismissing the dialog when its pressed anyway (which'll hide the keyboard)
[14:47] <spazzymoto> orga_, thanks ill take a look. i think i can get around the usr/share if i can hack the /etc/init file :)
[14:47] <Elleo> jgdx: by setting "activeFocusOnPress: false" on that button
[14:48] <ogra_> spazzymoto, worst case just overwrite the bluetooth.conf completely, keep the old stuff in there aand add what you need additionally
[14:48] <zsombi> Elleo: jgdx: but then make sure you remove teh OSK when closing teh dialog
[14:48] <ogra_> either way is equally hackish :)
[14:48] <Elleo> zsombi: presumably closing the dialog will result in focus changing to something other than the text field (which no longer exists), so should close the OSK automatically
[14:49] <zsombi> Elleo: ah, yeah, whatever was focus before the Dialog was open will be restored
[14:49] <zsombi> Elleo: so if it was an input, it will stay :)
[14:49] <Elleo> true
[14:49] <Elleo> but then if it was input it'd also reappear if you'd just hidden it in the dialog
[14:49] <zsombi> yup
[14:50] <Elleo> jgdx: the only other thing to be aware of is if the field accepts text completion you have to manually call Qt.inputMethod.commit() if you're not taking focus, but I suspect that doesn't apply to the pin field? (I'm guessing it's just a numbers field)
[14:52] <jgdx> Elleo, right, we disable completion in most inputs where this is a problem.
[14:52] <mcphail> What is the best way to install debug symbols for Qt and libc on the device without breaking OTA updates?
[14:52] <Elleo> jgdx: yeah, then just setting "activeFocusOnPress: false" should solve everything for you
[14:53] <jgdx> Elleo, so I can't make a press synonymous with a click for the affected buttons?
[14:55] <Elleo> jgdx: I don't think abstractbuttons expose press events
[14:55] <Elleo> jgdx: unless you filled it with your own mouse area
[14:56] <Elleo> jgdx: but I think just not taking focus would be a better option, otherwise you're also having to duplicate the haptic and sound effect stuff in your custom onPress handler, and it won't behave quite like other buttons on the system (since it'll trigger when they press instead of when they release like all other buttons)
[14:57] <jgdx> Elleo, only thing I'm worried about is the side effects of text fields not losing focus, but we can deal with that on a per case basis. There's only a few places where in USS where this is a problem.
[14:58] <jgdx> Elleo, so thank you so much. Awesome detective work.
[14:58] <Elleo> jgdx: you could take focus yourself in your onClicked handler
[14:58] <Elleo> jgdx: no problem :)
[14:59] <ogra_> .oO ( do we need to call him sherlock now ? )
[14:59] <Elleo> heh
[15:01] <jgdx> Elleo, yeah you need a drug habit and an assistant
[15:02] <Elleo> and a violin
[15:07] <jgdx> zsombi, Elleo: maybe there should be a mention of this in the docs?
[15:07] <jgdx> just a notice on how a clicked event is produced
[15:08] <zsombi> jgdx: hmm... not sure... this dialog content "pushup" is kinda workaround yet, till we get a proper implementation on OSK content shifting...
[15:08] <zsombi> jgdx: the clicked event is produced same way as any MouseArea clicked event is, so we did not bother on that :)
[15:09] <Elleo> would be nice to have a note of it somewhere though, even if only temporarily just so it doesn't bite someone else without any clues as to why it might be happening
[15:10] <jgdx> zsombi, okay :)
[15:10] <zsombi> Elleo: hmm...
[15:11] <jgdx> Elleo, there's the bug.. I can rename it "have to press button twice in dialog" or something
[15:11] <Elleo> jgdx: yeah, that might do; hopefully a bit of googling would turn it up
[15:11] <jgdx> right
[15:11] <zsombi> Elleo: on the OSK content pushing topic, I was planning to prototype sthing on StyledItemBase, which would look for the first flickable ancestor and push that to the OSK rect height so the component gets visible when OSK opens
[15:12] <zsombi> Elleo: that seems to cover prety good the use cases we have
[15:12] <Elleo> zsombi: cool, let me know when you have something and I'll be happy to give it some extra testing from my side :)
[15:13] <zsombi> Elleo: I can do a small proto in QML StyledItem, but the final act will anyway be in C++ side, to be fast enough.
[15:13] <Elleo> ah right
[15:14] <zsombi> Elleo: a prereq of the feature to work would be to have a Flickable holding the components, otherwise we won't know what to push upwards...
[15:14] <Elleo> yeah
[15:16] <zsombi> Elleo: but I'll ping you once I have it
[15:16] <Elleo> zsombi: cool, thanks
[15:24] <sturmflut-work> mcphail: The E4.5 has an SDXC controller, I put my pre-formatted 64 GB card in and it was instantly mounted. The "up to 32 GB" phrase is quite standard in the mobile world, for various reasons. On one hand you need exFAT in many cases, on the other lots of MMC controllers are crappy and won't talk to half the cards.
[15:24] <mcphail> sturmflut-work: good to know. I regret limiting my purchase to 32GB now :)
[15:25] <ogra_> yeah, i run with a 64G one as well
[15:25] <ogra_> still want to try a 128G
[15:29] <sturmflut-work> Oh cool, the SD card is exposed via MTP
[15:29] <ogra_> yep
[15:29] <ogra_> but limited to vfat
[15:29] <ogra_> so no files above 4G
[15:30] <mcphail> ogra_: Seriously? Even android can do ext4 :)
[15:30] <ogra_> we cant yet
[15:31] <ogra_> if you have a fs that maintains ownership and permissions of files, the whole thing gets far more complicated ... we will likely support other FSes over time
[15:31] <sturmflut-work> I still have to look how to handle large dictionaries in my SLOB Reader app, the English Wikipedia is a single 11 GB file dump and neither the internal storage of the E4.5 nor VFAT on the SD card can handle that :/
[15:32] <ogra_> also the typical enduser needs to be able to just use the card in his/her PC
[15:32] <ogra_> internal should be able to
[15:34] <sturmflut-work> ogra_: The userdata partition of the E4.5 is just 4.4G.
[15:34] <ogra_> heh, oh, indeed
[15:52] <Wellark> sturmflut-work: no roadmap yet :(
[15:52] <Wellark> sturmflut-work: we will have a sprint concentrating on the matter (as well as others) in the end of this month
[15:52] <Wellark> I will keep you posted when the roadmap is finished
[15:53] <Wellark> sturmflut-work: those feature reguest bugs will help with the planning, so thanks! :)
[15:57] <mterry> chrisccoulson, bug 1439829 also affects RTM -- apparently our version of oxide is in sync?
[15:59] <mterry> chrisccoulson, while we don't run the wizard under unity8 itself in RTM, we do use similar platform name shortening cod
[16:34] <chrisccoulson> mterry, the one in RTM should be the current stable (1.5.something)
[16:35] <mterry> chrisccoulson, yeah but 1.5 has the same "ubuntu" prefix check
[16:35] <mterry> that vivid does
[16:36] <chrisccoulson> mterry, it does. It also doesn't contain the EGLImage compositing path to composite correctly with a QPA plugin that doesn't allow us to get the underlying share context
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> (ie, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~oxide-developers/oxide/oxide.trunk/revision/1017)
[16:37] <mterry> chrisccoulson, I don't follow -- does that mean that you are surprised by the crash or are not surprised?
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> so the best you'll ever get with 1.5 and 1.6 is the software compositing mode, which is pretty much unusable on the device (like, sub 5fps unusable)
[16:38] <chrisccoulson> mterry, I'm not surprised by the crash, but fixing the crash won't really make the experience acceptable if you're displaying a webview
[16:43] <ogra_> mterry, where does it get the "mirserver" from ? and env var ? we could worst case just bluntly stuff it into /etc/environment as a temporary "fix"
[16:43] <ogra_> s/and/an/
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> I should point out that the 1.6 branch doesn't crash (but it does run in software compositing mode if the platform is "mirserver")
[16:44] <mterry> ogra_, unity8 shifts "ubuntumirclient" to "mirserver" which is what qtmir expects
[16:44] <ogra_> chrisccoulson, which we dont have on a phone :)
[16:44] <mterry> ogra_, but oxide started to require "ubuntu" prefixes
[16:45] <ogra_> ah. so no way to override it from the outside then :/
[16:45] <mterry> ogra_, no  :(
[16:46] <ogra_> well, one more reason to get vivid into RTM asap then :)
[16:46] <ogra_> (yay acronyms)
[16:47] <chrisccoulson> Note, the 1.5 branch of Oxide is obsolete next week anyway (1.6 is the next stable, which will land in all releases)
[16:48] <ogra_> chrisccoulson, how can it be obsolete ? we ship phones with it on them :P
[16:48] <chrisccoulson> ogra_, you'll need to ship 1.6 if you want the dozens of security fixes in it ;)
[18:33] <muka_> how can I change keyboard to digits. I'm writing simple html app for my use in cgi/python. thank you
[18:58] <SturmFlut> Wellark: I think I can come up with even more suggestions for the connectivity-api until the end of the month
[19:33] <bogdan> Hi all. On my ubuntu touch (bq edition) if I conect wifi and disable, or when I enable or disable airplane mode, the bluetooth is enable without any activation from me. Is there a bug for this
[19:33] <bogdan> existing one?
[19:36] <bogdan> is anyone here?
[19:40] <dobey> bogdan: i don't know if there is an existing bug for that or not. but you can just file one and it will get triaged appropriately
[19:41] <bogdan> ok, thanks, I want to help Ubuntu Phone to get better and better so I want to report any bug I find..
[19:41] <dobey> please do :)
[19:42] <bogdan> Please DOBEY, tell me a place to report this, the apropiate one
[19:42] <bogdan> the proper link to launchpad
[19:43] <dobey> bogdan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-bluetooth would be a good place to start for that one, i guess
[19:46] <bogdan> thanks, a great comunnity also here on chat! The first comunity I found is on Google Plus, now this one. Ubuntu its a great comunity
[19:55] <bogdan> I reported this bug here (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-bluetooth/+bug/1437652) but Alan Pope said about this bug report "Please file bugs in the correct locations rather than create a new project and file bugs there." Where is the right place??..
[20:09] <SturmFlut> bogdan: I might be wrong, but "UbuntuPhone (bq)" does not look like an official project.
[20:13] <Wellark> SturmFlut: that would be great! thank you :)
[20:17] <SturmFlut> Wellark: ole hyvä, thanks for your hard work
[20:18] <bogdan> I confirmed that thing with UbuntuPhone (BQ), but was not written by me. I just confirmed the bug and write one comment. and click on that "UbuntuPhone BQ " tag.  We who reports bugs are not experts in tags, filling bugs, and so on... :)
[20:20] <k1l_> bogdan: the comment from popey was made before you commented on the bug and is directed at HP (peter-hausler).
[20:21] <bogdan> ok, I just didnt understood that this from "Affects" list are project
[20:21] <bogdan> I thought they are simple tags..
[20:22] <SturmFlut> k1l_: Thanks for clearing it up, it is late over here and I got a bit confused too
[20:22] <k1l_> no, its the projects that are affected. if you create a fake one, like the user HP did, no one will get to see the bug report. because the only "dev" that gets noticed now is the user HP
[20:33] <dobey> huh
[20:33] <dobey> how did he even manage to register "ubuntuphone" as a project
[20:44] <SturmFlut> dobey: https://launchpad.net/projects/+new maybe?
[20:44] <dobey> SturmFlut: no, i mean, launchpad has magic filtering that doesn't generally let random people create projects that have "ubuntu" in the name
[20:49] <SturmFlut> dobey: ... no, it doesn't, I think I need to file a bug report and somebody has to remove https://launchpad.net/ubuntuunicorn
[20:50] <SturmFlut> Or I come up with something Unicorn-related within the next hours
[20:51] <dobey> SturmFlut: well i can rename it and deactivate it
[20:52] <SturmFlut> Do I file the bug against Launchpad itself or is this a case for some site administrator IRC channel/mailing list?
[20:52] <dobey> but i can't just delete it
[20:52] <dobey> normally you'd create a "question" against launchpad itself
[20:53] <dobey> well it's deactivated now
[20:53] <dobey> i don't know what i should do about the other one
[20:53] <dobey> wgrant: ^^ i thought launchpad prevented random people from creating a project named "ubuntu*"
[20:58] <SturmFlut> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/264872
[21:09] <SturmFlut> dobey: Thanks for your hard work BTW. And good luck for the never-ending app store scoring/sorting discussions ;)
[21:11] <dobey> :)
[21:14] <SturmFlut> dobey: While we're at it, I have a suggestion for app scoring based on the geometric mean, the position of the moon and some actual Voodoo magic...
[21:14]  * SturmFlut ducks and runs
[21:15] <k1l_> why not let mark do the sorting manually? i mean we all know everyone will blame him anyway ;p
[21:15] <dobey> that's how it works now
[21:15] <dobey> the moon i mean
[21:16] <SturmFlut> dobey: I knew it!
[21:17] <SturmFlut> So I just have to manipulate the moon to get my app onto the front page, right?
[21:18] <dobey> well, i'm not going to say /which/ moon
[21:19] <dobey> i don't have a huge opinion on how apps are sorted anyway. it's all done on the server. the apps scope just displays them in pretty much the order given by the server
[21:20] <dobey> and i work on the scope, not the server :)
[21:27] <SturmFlut> k1l_: If Mark does the sorting the ShuttleGotchi app will never get in. Or it will be the #1 app forever. I can't decide. But there are only those two options.
[21:31] <SturmFlut> mzanetti: I would be willing to spend 10 € on a QML ShuttleGotchi app, just saying
[21:33] <mzanetti> :D
[21:36] <dadexix86> can someone explain to me if there is a substantial difference between the ubuntu icon in the launcher and the "full" swipe from the left? Or is it just redundancy? (because I never use that icon, it just takes space on the launcher for nothing :S )
[21:36] <brunch875> ^ +1
[21:36] <dobey> dadexix86: they are the same thing
[21:37] <brunch875> I would change the full left swipe for something else
[21:37] <brunch875> but I suppose that's a matter of taste
[21:37] <dobey> i would get rid of the launcher entirely on my phone
[21:37] <dobey> i never use it :)
[21:38] <brunch875> it's handy for recent applications
[21:38] <brunch875> especially since you must close the active scope to open the app menu
[21:38] <brunch875> that annoys me greatly
[21:39] <k1l_> btw: was there a price named for the mx4 so far?
[21:39] <dadexix86> I would get rid of the button in the launcher ;)
[21:39] <brunch875> where's most of the design discussed?
[21:39] <brunch875> I want to hop in!
[21:39] <dobey> k1l_: the android version is already released right?
[21:40] <dadexix86> And place an analog clock in the round thing of the lock screen :P
[21:40] <k1l_> dobey: yep. so around that amount?
[21:40] <dobey> k1l_: i would expect it to be about the same, when it's announced, yeah
[21:40] <brunch875> I have great design ideas! Like... make everything pink... and flashy... with baby gifs on a sparkly background and banners
[21:41] <dobey> at least, that's how the bq was i think
[21:41] <dadexix86> brunch875, no unicorns? :(
[21:41] <brunch875> no, they're not funny enough
[21:41] <dobey> dadexix86: not an analog clock, but having the time be the default display in the center would be nicer, i agree
[21:42] <brunch875> I believe the round thing is actually a clock
[21:43] <dadexix86> dobey, especially with the bq cover. 90% of the time we look at a locked phone is for the time.
[21:43] <brunch875> I just haven't figured out how it works
[21:43] <dadexix86> brunch875, no, it points out the date
[21:43] <brunch875> the date?
[21:43] <dadexix86> in march there were 31 dots, in april they are 30
[21:43] <SturmFlut> dobey, k1l_ : According to http://www.meizumart.com/product/MEIZU%20MX4 the international 32 GB version ships for 489 US-$. And I am not sure if that already includes taxes and customs.
[21:43] <brunch875> how?
[21:43] <brunch875> ooooh...
[21:43] <dadexix86> and the "bold" one is the one of today
[21:43] <brunch875> that makes sense
[21:44] <k1l_> SturmFlut: i saw a price of ~350euros in china and ~450euros for distributor in eu.
[21:44] <brunch875> it's pretty damn expensive
[21:44] <brunch875> the BQ device runs smooth enough for me
[21:45] <SturmFlut> k1l_: Yep, because the chinese version apparently has a locked bootloader and the international one is unlocked.
[21:45] <dobey> the mx4 is a pretty high spec device though
[21:45] <k1l_> which is a lot of money. but people were calling for "more power"
[21:45] <dadexix86> brunch875, but it is totally useless, no one can possibily count them ;)
[21:45] <k1l_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygBP7MtT3Ac
[21:45] <k1l_> "Jeremy Clarkson POWERRR!!! Top Gear"   :)
[21:46] <brunch875> it's not that bad; you have the date on the top. The circle makes a good estimation on "how much month left there is"
[21:51] <SturmFlut> If bq didn't forget to put LTE into the Aquaris E6 it would be an actual competitor for the MX4. The CPU is slower, but the battery has much higher capacity and the E6 is only 310 €.
[21:51] <brunch875> they added it to E5
[21:51] <brunch875> I'm still wondering why they didn' choose the E5 to deploy ubuntu
[21:51] <matv1> just wondering: why was there never a codename for the meizu ? like krillin i mean. there must be a distinct dtap track for that device?
[21:52] <k1l_> honestly i dont mind lte. on my contract with lte speed my volume gets cut down after 1second fullspeed anyway :)
[21:55] <SturmFlut> k1l_: Even cheap prepaid operators like ALDI Talk have LTE nowadays. 5 GB for 15 €/month. I use it quite a lot on my daily commute.
[21:56] <brunch875> what happens when you run out?
[21:56] <brunch875> here in spain you get free internets for dialup speed when you're out of GBs left
[21:56] <k1l_> i still use my base students contract. so personally i dont look for LTE. but qi-charge is important to me.
[21:56] <SturmFlut> brunch875: You are throttled down to 32 kBit/s (yeah, KILOBITS), but you can also get additional 5 GB for about 3 €
[21:56] <dadexix86> k1l_, I think I can last almost double than you, since I have 500MB per month at full speed ;)
[21:56] <k1l_> i dont want to miss inductive charging since my nexus4 and hp-touchpad anymore
[21:57] <k1l_> brunch875: yes. but for the small fullspeed LTE time i would not pay more for a device to have LTE :)
[21:57] <brunch875> some day we'll get broadband on the phone...
[21:58] <brunch875> does utouch support LTE anyway?
[21:58] <dobey> sort of
[21:58] <dobey> it works on my nexus 5 :)
[21:58] <SturmFlut> brunch875: Here in my apartment LTE is (on average) already faster than the fastest DSL line I can get. The problem is the data cap, 5 GB is a joke.
[21:59] <brunch875> I wonder how necessary the cap is for the operators
[21:59] <brunch875> maybe it's just idle connectivity they're wasting
[22:03] <dobey> it's not that necessary
[22:03] <dobey> which is why t-mobile us has basically unlimited data service. they only charge for 4g speeds
[22:03] <dobey> if you run out of 4g data, you drop to 3g
[22:05] <SturmFlut> brunch875: The problem is that the data rate quickly deteriorates to quite low levels with increasing distance from the tower, and that the frequency bands allocated to mobile operators are comparably narrow. If your home WiFi uses 5 GHz, it uses a larger band for your devices alone than most operators can use to supply a whole town.
[22:09] <dobey> SturmFlut: more accurately, only a few companies actually own the towers usually, and all the smaller providers have to rent from the big companies. then those charges of course end up getting paid by the customers.
[22:14] <SturmFlut> dobey: In the end it is a combination of problems, sure. But the most pressing ones are "scarce spectrum" and "signal deteriorates with distance". If we want to supply everybody with high-speed cellular mobile networking we have to dramatically increase the number of base stations. Back with 2G you could provide access to thousands of users within a 20 km range with just a single tower.
[22:15] <SturmFlut> dobey: Now you basically need an LTE base station every couple hundred meters.
[22:16]  * dobey remembers when there was no data
[22:17] <dobey> or cellular data was "send some binary specific to the type of phone, in an sms"
[22:17] <dobey> those were the days :)
[22:17] <dobey> anyway, i have to go
[22:17] <SturmFlut> dobey: There was always data. It was called HSCSD before packet data was introduced. mzanetti also remembers those days...
[22:18] <SturmFlut> dobey: nighty night
[23:01] <wgrant> dobey: We forbid projects matching ^.?ubuntu$, but not anyhting starting with Ubuntu.
[23:01] <wgrant> If we did, there would be countless violations.
[23:13] <SturmFlut> wgrant: Thanks for the clarification, you may just close my question then