| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi | ||
| diddledan | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjeX5drV9ms | 04:42 |
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| daftykins | http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2015/04/07/may-cover-revealed-deus-ex-mankind-divided-568435.aspx | 04:55 |
| daftykins | a new Deus Ex! | 04:55 |
| daftykins | Renegades 0o doesn't look quite... legit | 04:58 |
| directhex | well that's unexpected. https://instagram.com/p/1L95FDv9Ks/ | 06:12 |
| knightwise | morning peeps | 06:31 |
| daftykins | g'morn | 06:32 |
| knightwise | hey daftykins how are ya today | 06:40 |
| daftykins | mmm none too shabby ta, just watching the cat getting into all kinds of morning mischief... which makes her name Mischief very apt :D | 06:47 |
| daftykins | and yourself? what fun has today in store? | 06:47 |
| knightwise | Working from home today. So i'm gonna take some time off to go to the store and pick up and SD for my RaspberryPi2 | 06:51 |
| daftykins | ^_^ | 06:51 |
| knightwise | and then do my quarterly taxes | 06:51 |
| daftykins | ooh i keep forgetting about doing my tax return | 06:52 |
| * knightwise has his own company so ... | 06:53 | |
| knightwise | we need to do this every quarter | 06:53 |
| daftykins | :( | 06:53 |
| knightwise | paperwork is done so we just need to send it to our accountant | 06:53 |
| knightwise | hmmm.. copying over some old data from a desktop for a friend | 06:55 |
| knightwise | I forgot how much hideous noise this things make | 06:56 |
| daftykins | mechanical disks? :) | 06:56 |
| knightwise | yep , and fans , and beige boxes | 06:57 |
| knightwise | #horrible | 06:57 |
| knightwise | and .. WINDOWS | 06:57 |
| daftykins | works for me (: | 06:57 |
| knightwise | I know , for me too but .. I had to reinstall windows for him | 06:59 |
| knightwise | I HATE doing that kind of support, especially on those desktop clunkers | 06:59 |
| daftykins | as in it was just a bit of an antique? :D | 06:59 |
| daftykins | 'cause desktops are ace | 06:59 |
| knightwise | its indeed an atique | 07:00 |
| knightwise | core 2 duo | 07:00 |
| daftykins | oof | 07:00 |
| daftykins | a friend wants me to help christen a new family desktop today i believe | 07:01 |
| daftykins | involving carting some data over onto it off the old | 07:01 |
| daftykins | i sense the new thing will be Windows 8 :( | 07:01 |
| knightwise | hmm.. hate that | 07:02 |
| * knightwise has no local data on ANY of his systems | 07:02 | |
| knightwise | its all on the nas or in the cloud | 07:02 |
| daftykins | there was a time when i took my file server down for maintenance, PSU gave up the ghost - i was without access to all my content for days :D | 07:04 |
| knightwise | ouch | 07:05 |
| knightwise | A lot of the data of the company is stored offsite (cloud or has a remote copy) | 07:05 |
| knightwise | Same goes for our pics and our music collection | 07:05 |
| daftykins | hmm that reminds me i ought to leave a spare drive at my parents with my music on so there's at least that off-site | 07:06 |
| knightwise | pretty important | 07:06 |
| knightwise | i've been going through my old backup cd's this week and pulling off any data I still needed to save them from diskrot | 07:07 |
| daftykins | i put one co's docs into their google drive account once, as they already had google apps... but interestingly it killed windows search within that path | 07:07 |
| knightwise | yep , i think onedrive IS searchable | 07:08 |
| daftykins | hrmm not seen that working in person, i've linked some videos my xbox has created off it once or twice, though | 07:09 |
| daftykins | someone i know with an iMac and a Windows laptop needs docs synced between both, i was thinking of just giving dropbox a bash | 07:09 |
| daftykins | owncloud could've been fun, but with a dynamic home IP i think that'd be messy | 07:10 |
| knightwise | Then why not go for bittorrent sync ? | 07:10 |
| daftykins | i don't entirely trust the privacy on that one | 07:10 |
| daftykins | haven't seen v2 though | 07:11 |
| knightwise | I use it for the remote backups. | 07:11 |
| diplo | daftykins: Syncthing! | 07:21 |
| diplo | :) | 07:21 |
| daftykins | o0 | 07:21 |
| diddledan | mornin | 07:59 |
| daftykins | hello sir | 07:59 |
| daftykins | diddledan: new Deus Ex! | 08:06 |
| daftykins | \o/ | 08:06 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 08:29 |
| daftykins | heya | 08:32 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 08:33 |
| daftykins | hey brobostigon | 08:36 |
| brobostigon | hey daftykins | 08:37 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Draw a Picture of a Bird Day! :-D | 09:03 |
| zmoylan-pi | tragic story behind that one | 09:03 |
| daftykins | not big-bird? | 09:04 |
| daftykins | nooooooooo! | 09:04 |
| JamesTait | It'll be all the more tragic if I decide to participate. | 09:04 |
| daftykins | hahaha | 09:04 |
| daftykins | same here | 09:04 |
| JamesTait | msm__, are you responsible for this one? A cunning ploy to try to get me to showcase my "talent"? ;) | 09:06 |
| msm__ | JamesTait: Ha ha. DO you know, I've never drawn a bird! | 09:06 |
| msm__ | although there is always a first time :) | 09:06 |
| msm__ | There is a rather cute (and picture worthy) robin in my gardne | 09:07 |
| zmoylan-pi | not even the wonky m in the skies of pics as a kid? | 09:07 |
| msm__ | zmoylan-pi: oh yes, there were those | 09:07 |
| zmoylan-pi | so you have technically drawn a bird then :-) | 09:07 |
| JamesTait | zmoylan-pi, I even managed to make those not look like birds. ;) | 09:07 |
| msm__ | JamesTait: Now I'm going to have to draw a bird! | 09:08 |
| JamesTait | msm__, glad to be of inspiration. :-P | 09:08 |
| msm__ | Oh yes :P | 09:08 |
| * JamesTait looks around, realises his camera is nowhere to be seen. | 09:09 | |
| msm__ | JamesTait: Bad planning! | 09:09 |
| msm__ | :) | 09:09 |
| JamesTait | I have images to transfer from the SD card, so I can't argue with that! | 09:10 |
| JamesTait | ~v~ <-- bird | 09:11 |
| zmoylan-pi | m <-bird | 09:11 |
| zmoylan-pi | . <--bird that is very very far away :-) | 09:42 |
| TwistedLucidity | (")> | 09:54 |
| popey | ^ | 09:54 |
| zmoylan-pi | steam wafting over a cup of coffee... good idea :-) | 09:54 |
| zmoylan-pi | kettle approaching boiling, choccie biccies located... | 09:56 |
| popey | Elevensies! | 09:56 |
| zmoylan-pi | exactamundo! | 09:57 |
| popey | i just had a toasted bagel and coffee | 09:57 |
| popey | and a smoothie | 09:57 |
| knightwise | popey: sound yum ! | 09:57 |
| Myrtti | I'm trying out some coffee I got from TK Maxx | 09:58 |
| Myrtti | not too bad | 09:58 |
| popey | I think my taste buds are shot. I can't tell the difference between one coffee and another. | 09:58 |
| popey | or indeed instant | 09:58 |
| Myrtti | I can't stand the Finnish drip machine stuff anymore | 09:58 |
| TwistedLucidity | popey: Bagel. I have bagels. I also have an empty tum-tum. I wonder what the solution could possibly be.....? | 10:01 |
| popey | need butter | 10:01 |
| zmoylan-pi | think of the money you save drinking instant instead of silly expensive coffee | 10:01 |
| diplo | Stop talking about food please!!!! I'm so hungry and no food here! | 10:01 |
| popey | hah | 10:01 |
| * zmoylan-pi has cheese trianges for bagels later | 10:01 | |
| popey | Last night I had a bagel for tea, toasted, buttered, added cheese then microwaved for 20 seconds to melt it | 10:01 |
| popey | was yum | 10:02 |
| popey | and nuclear hot | 10:02 |
| TwistedLucidity | zmoylan-pi: Instant is "emergency coffee" | 10:02 |
| Azelphur | popey: been trying out Ubuntu touch on my tablet recently, not much of a fan right now though, it's weird how they haven't brought over some easy to port stuff that'd make the platform so much better (eg VLC) | 10:03 |
| zmoylan-pi | this is emergency coffee as no bugger will touch it till the dogs milk runs out... :-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Coffee | 10:03 |
| popey | "easy to port" | 10:05 |
| popey | feel free to do that | 10:05 |
| popey | what tablet out of interest? | 10:06 |
| Azelphur | Nexus 7 | 10:06 |
| popey | k | 10:06 |
| Azelphur | popey: I would assume it supports mir already, if not you could just use xmir, I bet it has a touch/tablet theme too | 10:07 |
| popey | ahhh assumption | 10:07 |
| popey | no, it doesn't support mir | 10:07 |
| Azelphur | then xmir would work fine anyway :P | 10:07 |
| popey | and xmir isn't on the phone yet, but is under development | 10:07 |
| popey | not finished yet | 10:07 |
| Azelphur | ah | 10:07 |
| Azelphur | that's one of the main things I was interested in having, xmir | 10:08 |
| Azelphur | that'll be a killer feature when it lands imo | 10:08 |
| TwistedLucidity | Oh, and congrats to Team Ubuntu for no longer being treated like a leper on the Dell site. Listed as an OS option and everything! | 10:11 |
| knightwise | Still jonesing for the new xps13 | 10:13 |
| Azelphur | popey: that said I haven't looked super deeply into Ubuntu touch, are there any cool features I'm missing? :) | 10:14 |
| TwistedLucidity | It looks like a semi-decent machine. Not sure why only 8GB for RAM for a "developer" edition. But that's small beans really. | 10:14 |
| Azelphur | I'm dual booting my nexus 7 so I can happily swap between Android and Ubuntu touch, I just haven't found anything I'd actually use touch for yet lol | 10:14 |
| knightwise | I ordered the ubuntu phone , expect it to arrive anytime soon now. | 10:15 |
| knightwise | so if i'm correct dell now has complete driver support for the xps13 | 10:16 |
| Azelphur | knightwise: cool, feel free to field the above question too, I'm just looking for cool things to do with it / cool apps :) | 10:16 |
| knightwise | Azelphur: i'll do a review for the knightwise.com and carry it around for a couple of weeks | 10:18 |
| Azelphur | nice | 10:18 |
| davmor2 | incoming for JamesTait | 11:10 |
| davmor2 | _ _.-''''''--._ | 11:10 |
| davmor2 | .` `. ...------.\ | 11:10 |
| davmor2 | / |O :-` _,.,---' | 11:10 |
| davmor2 | ' \ ;--'' | 11:10 |
| davmor2 | | _.' ( | 11:10 |
| davmor2 | ,' _,' `-. | 11:10 |
| davmor2 | : / '. | 11:10 |
| davmor2 | \ \ ' | 11:10 |
| davmor2 | `.| `. | 11:10 |
| davmor2 | `-._ \ | 11:10 |
| davmor2 | '. ,-. \ | 11:10 |
| davmor2 | .__ _`.\..`\ \ | 11:10 |
| davmor2 | , ''- . _,-'.,-' ``: \ | 11:10 |
| davmor2 | '-...._ (( (('-.._ \ \ | 11:10 |
| davmor2 | `--.. `'-. \ \ | 11:10 |
| davmor2 | `.. ' \ \ | 11:10 |
| davmor2 | `\ \fsr `" | 11:10 |
| davmor2 | \/ | 11:10 |
| davmor2 | I cheated and brorrowed someone elses :) | 11:10 |
| JamesTait | davmor2, toucan play at that game! | 11:11 |
| davmor2 | bad dum tish | 11:11 |
| * popey tuts | 11:11 | |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 11:13 |
| davmor2 | popey, JamesTait: http://www.chris.com/ascii/index.php?art=animals/birds%20%28land%29 there are some really nice one here :) | 11:13 |
| bigcalm | Apr 8 12:12:11 INS01AMR01 postfix/smtp[24458]: connect to smtp.mailgun.org[50.56.21.178]:587: Connection timed out | 11:13 |
| bigcalm | What might cause connections to an SMTP server to timeout? | 11:14 |
| knightwise | google forgot to renew the cert | 11:14 |
| knightwise | if you are using gmail that is | 11:14 |
| awilkins | As someone said, they probably forget their Google Calendar reminder :-) | 11:15 |
| knightwise | great quote ! : | 11:15 |
| JamesTait | davmor2, smaller ones as well. ;) | 11:15 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: yeah but I wanted to spam you with something you would cherish for the day :P | 11:16 |
| JamesTait | You're all heart, davmor2. ;) | 11:17 |
| * bashrc_ thought google had fixed that | 11:17 | |
| bigcalm | davmor2: that list is missing the BBC Micro logo | 11:18 |
| JamesTait | bigcalm, is it trying to talk SSL on the STARTTLS port, perhaps? I've seen that either drop the connection immediately or time out. | 11:20 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: possibly trademarked all of them are assigned sigs so I suppose they can't list trademarked stuff without permission maybe ? just a guess though | 11:20 |
| bigcalm | JamesTait: oh, how might I check? | 11:21 |
| bigcalm | JamesTait: I'm doing this via postfix config | 11:21 |
| bigcalm | Taken from https://rtcamp.com/tutorials/linux/ubuntu-postfix-gmail-smtp/ | 11:22 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: telnet the port | 11:22 |
| JamesTait | I usually use tcpdump for stuff like that. | 11:22 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/postfix.html testing it is listed lower down | 11:23 |
| JamesTait | If there's nothing obvious in the logs - I can't remember if Postfix logs anything sensible when it happens. | 11:23 |
| bigcalm | Looks like telnetting to 587 is going to timeout | 11:24 |
| bigcalm | I fear I will have to get in touch with the hosting company | 11:25 |
| JamesTait | bigcalm, you could try changing the port on the relayhost to 25 | 11:25 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: check if there was an update that change the config on you | 11:25 |
| JamesTait | And I assume also in the sasl password config. | 11:26 |
| bigcalm | Postfix couldn't connect to mail servers on port 25 (timeout) so I thought I'd try an authenticated SMTP server. But that's timing out as well | 11:26 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: just thinking out loud on that one, ie if you are pointing at the port you expect to work and it is pointing at another, also check you ssl/starttls certs are valid | 11:27 |
| bigcalm | Annoying when a hosting company restricts outgoing traffic from a server | 11:27 |
| JamesTait | bigcalm, yeah, smtp.mailgun.org responds on both ports 25 and 587 from here. | 11:28 |
| bigcalm | JamesTait: and from my own machine but not the server | 11:29 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: just updated ca-certificates but it didn't change the outcome | 11:29 |
| * bigcalm goes to find lunch | 11:29 | |
| bigcalm | Thanks for the debug tips guys | 11:29 |
| JamesTait | No worries. :) | 11:29 |
| TwistedLucidity | A little flock for you all: 🐦 🐦 🐦 🐦 🐦 🐦 🐦 🐦 🐦 🐦 | 11:48 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: that will 10,000 credits please | 11:48 |
| TwistedLucidity | (Unicode 1F426) | 11:49 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch | ||
| popey | bah! | 12:07 |
| popey | http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/bbc_radio_four | 12:07 |
| popey | that's using flash isn't it? | 12:07 |
| intrbiz | popey: yes it's flash | 12:09 |
| popey | :( | 12:11 |
| intrbiz | popey: why? | 12:11 |
| popey | flash sucks :) | 12:11 |
| Azelphur | I actually "made the jump" and uninstalled flash last week | 12:13 |
| zmoylan-pi | don't worry some bank or government department will put up a page that requires it :-) | 12:13 |
| Azelphur | I have chrome for that, but I use Firefox (without flash) as my daily driver | 12:14 |
| moreati | looks like VLC can use these URLs for streaming BBC radio http://www.suppertime.co.uk/blogmywiki/2015/04/updated-list-of-bbc-network-radio-urls/ | 12:15 |
| popey | need to update my radio tray urls | 12:15 |
| popey | thanks moreati | 12:16 |
| popey | \o/ works a treat | 12:19 |
| popey | http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/apr/08/ship-this-bed-tv-ad-asa-bedworld is fun | 12:22 |
| awilkins | If they're smart they're buying shipthebed.com right now | 12:27 |
| awilkins | And it's slightly ruder compatriot | 12:28 |
| zmoylan-pi | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/11520819/Google-looking-at-buying-Twitter.html | 12:44 |
| TwistedLucidity | popey: Why am I reminded of the warnings before Billy Connolly stand-up shows, and people would *STILL* write in to complain? | 12:46 |
| zmoylan-pi | people like to complain | 12:46 |
| popey | people are idiots | 12:47 |
| popey | hmm, that radio 4 link doesn't work on firefox OS | 12:47 |
| popey | i feel less annoyed now | 12:47 |
| TwistedLucidity | Everyone except me! | 12:47 |
| zmoylan-pi | simple people of the land, you know, morons :-) | 12:48 |
| popey | wish it used html audio rather than relying on flash and some android app :( | 12:48 |
| TwistedLucidity | popey: R4 links works perfectly. | 12:48 |
| TwistedLucidity | But I do have the "HAL" stuff installed that Flash needs and is no longer provided. | 12:49 |
| TwistedLucidity | Oh, Firefox **OS**. What was that about me not being an idiot? | 12:49 |
| TwistedLucidity | Heh | 12:49 |
| popey | i didnt say the links didnt work | 12:50 |
| popey | but yeah, on ffos | 12:50 |
| popey | (I don't have hal btw) | 12:50 |
| TwistedLucidity | Now that DRM has been baked into HTML, can't see it being too long before the drop Flash. | 12:51 |
| TwistedLucidity | But the BBC have been a bit less co-operative of late with non-standard platforms | 12:51 |
| diddledan | thething with drm being baked into html is it still requires a plugin | 12:51 |
| zmoylan-pi | there will be sites that require flash in years to come. just because | 12:52 |
| TwistedLucidity | diddledan: Aye, but the API is there. | 12:52 |
| diddledan | we're removing the proprietary flash plugin and replacing it with the proprietary widevine plugin | 12:52 |
| apt-get-moo | isn't this just the flash story all over again? | 12:52 |
| TwistedLucidity | And as it's just there to "OK" the content coming through, does it take anything to do with displaying the content? | 12:52 |
| diddledan | it has to decrypt it | 12:53 |
| diddledan | and drnm usually requires end-to-end encryption on the display chain using dvi or hdmi or displayport with hdcp | 12:53 |
| TwistedLucidity | But it's just a stream, no? It doesn't care about filesystem access, user actions etc etc. | 12:53 |
| diddledan | mozilla are planning on sandboxing the poo out of it, but it can still probably wiggle free | 12:54 |
| bashrc_ | frying pan meets fire | 12:57 |
| bashrc_ | flash is definitely on the way out | 12:58 |
| diddledan | and we all have to thank steve bobs for that | 12:58 |
| zmoylan-pi | we should get him a nobel peace prize or something... | 12:59 |
| diddledan | too late, he died | 12:59 |
| popey | tempting http://www.memorybits.co.uk/shop/microsd/sandisk-64gb-ultra-microsdxc-plus-sd-adapter-sdsdquan064gg4a/28252 | 12:59 |
| zmoylan-pi | oh, you have to be alive for a nobel... | 12:59 |
| === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g | ||
| bashrc_ | stevie started the trend, but really flash was hated long before that | 12:59 |
| diddledan | popey: that's cheap | 13:00 |
| popey | ya | 13:00 |
| diddledan | get two at twice the price | 13:00 |
| diddledan | that's the first rule of government spending iirc? | 13:00 |
| bashrc_ | would go well with something like a Rpi2 or cubieboard4 | 13:01 |
| * popey purchases | 13:03 | |
| * popey will be putting it in his ubuntu phone | 13:03 | |
| popey | and yay, just got a 10% off promo code, which is handy because I wanted a second card :) | 13:04 |
| diddledan | lol | 13:04 |
| diddledan | that's sneaky | 13:04 |
| zmoylan-pi | they're reeling popey in... :-) | 13:05 |
| popey | they always do that | 13:05 |
| popey | I have bought from them many times | 13:05 |
| popey | code is valid for 3 months too. | 13:05 |
| popey | also http://www.memorybits.co.uk/shop/search/sandisk-ultra-128gb-microsdxc-uhsi-memory-card-with-sd-adapter/27444 | 13:06 |
| popey | :) | 13:06 |
| popey | imagine one of those in a converged phone... | 13:06 |
| zmoylan-pi | my first pc had 20mb drive... | 13:07 |
| ali1234 | yes, imagine the huge storage capacity of an ssd from 3 years ago, combined with the transfer speed of a hdd from 10 years ago | 13:07 |
| diddledan | 360KB floppies FTW | 13:07 |
| zmoylan-pi | then when i added a 32mb cf card to my psion i felt invincible!! :-) | 13:07 |
| popey | anyone got any idea why this might happen? http://paste.ubuntu.com/10759863/ bug 1441053 | 13:14 |
| lubotu3` | bug 1441053 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Two network adapters on same LAN causes 30s drop-outs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441053 | 13:14 |
| ali1234 | google dns has been acting up recently | 13:15 |
| ali1234 | by recently i mean the past 24 hours | 13:15 |
| popey | i could use any other IP and the same happens | 13:15 |
| ali1234 | sure, just saying | 13:16 |
| popey | but yeah, i saw that too | 13:16 |
| ali1234 | you have both adapters connected to the same network? | 13:16 |
| popey | yes | 13:17 |
| ali1234 | why would that even work? | 13:17 |
| diddledan | popey: what about pinging other devices on your lan? | 13:18 |
| popey | its always worked | 13:18 |
| popey | I've had this laptop 3 years and for most of those 3 years it's been sat both wired and wifi at the same time, no issue | 13:18 |
| davmor2 | popey: you on vivid? | 13:19 |
| popey | i am now, yes | 13:19 |
| ali1234 | i'm going to blame systemd | 13:19 |
| popey | heh | 13:19 |
| popey | i could boot an old iso pre-systemd and test it I guess | 13:19 |
| popey | if I could find one... | 13:19 |
| diplo | I have the same, both enabled, never any issues. Sorry couldn't help more :) | 13:19 |
| diplo | Anyone here use Ansible at all ? | 13:19 |
| bigcalm | o/ | 13:20 |
| zmoylan-pi | the ftl communicator in sci fi...? :-) | 13:20 |
| popey | morning bigcalm | 13:20 |
| diplo | Do you use it for ssh keys at all bigcalm ? | 13:20 |
| bigcalm | Ello popey | 13:20 |
| intrbiz | diplo: to deploy ssh keys? | 13:20 |
| bigcalm | diplo: um, I already have the ssh keys in place | 13:20 |
| diplo | I've seen the authorized_keys module, but what I'm thinking of doing is having one authorized keys file that I add remove from and push it as a file rather than use a specific module | 13:21 |
| diplo | Yeah so do I currently, wanting to automate removing / adding to lots of sites when someone leaves | 13:21 |
| * bigcalm passes over to intrbiz | 13:21 | |
| popey | hmm, wonder if I can even uninstall systemd | 13:21 |
| diplo | But our users come from windows machines/linux servers etc so authorized_keys module won't work totally as wanted | 13:22 |
| ali1234 | well you should be able to, i mean the first thing that happens when anyone mentions problems with systemd is someone comes along and shouts about how easy it is to uninstall it | 13:22 |
| intrbiz | diplo: I use the following: http://pastebin.com/wPCLd1JB | 13:22 |
| * bashrc_ likes systemd | 13:23 | |
| intrbiz | diplo: if you just push one file, you need to make sure permissions are correct, and you won't play nice with other things or people | 13:23 |
| ali1234 | i'm still using trusty | 13:23 |
| intrbiz | diplo: why won't authorized_keys module work? | 13:23 |
| diplo | Well if I do it like you've done, I'm guessing the public_keys is a directory with peoples pub keys ? | 13:24 |
| intrbiz | diplo: yup | 13:24 |
| diplo | Because some keys will come from puttygen etc, the way I was reading that module was that it looked at peoples home dirs etc | 13:24 |
| diplo | Yeah that may work instead | 13:25 |
| intrbiz | diplo: when someone leaves you simply move the pubkey to revoked dir | 13:25 |
| diplo | I like that idea! | 13:25 |
| diplo | I'm very very new to ansible, just like the simplicity! | 13:25 |
| intrbiz | diplo: putty just has a different format, it's easy enough to reformat to the openssh format | 13:25 |
| diplo | ssh keys is always an issue, don't ask what the staff at my place are like ( they still use telnet!!!!!! ) | 13:25 |
| bashrc_ | never used ansible. What's it for? | 13:25 |
| shauno | communication at greater-than-light-speed | 13:26 |
| diplo | Think puppet/chef but without having to run client side agents bashrc_ | 13:26 |
| intrbiz | bashrc_: config management / deployment, it's like puppet, but less overhead | 13:26 |
| diplo | All over ssh | 13:26 |
| bashrc_ | oh ok | 13:26 |
| diplo | Spin up a VM to test now | 13:31 |
| diplo | bah, tidied the machine up to reinstall and removed them all! :/ | 13:32 |
| awilkins | Does the "Let's Encrypt" CA actually get shipped into Firefox / Chrome etc? | 13:33 |
| awilkins | Ah, they're not up and running yet | 13:33 |
| diplo | I've been waiting on them too | 13:33 |
| intrbiz | awilkins: IIRC their root was or is going to be cross signed | 13:33 |
| awilkins | intrbiz, Guess I'll get one from StartSSL | 13:34 |
| diplo | Q: How will your root be trusted? A: Initially, with IdenTrust cross-sig. Will apply to root programs ASAP. | 13:34 |
| intrbiz | awilkins: yeh, if it is non-commerical | 13:37 |
| diplo | intrbiz: Do you use ansible in a big way ? | 13:38 |
| intrbiz | diplo: I use it to deploy stuff as much as I can, not got any large scale stuff. Used to manage around 100 machines with Puppet before | 13:40 |
| diplo | I'm having a truly hard time convincing my boss this is the way forward ( Automation not specifically ansible ) they still build everything manually | 13:41 |
| diplo | So spending a bit of time with out them knowing setting up one of our sites locally, and when he visits in the next few weeks I want to show how quickly I can deploy an exact setup ( takes them hours atm ) | 13:41 |
| diplo | Did I mention they still use telnet! | 13:42 |
| intrbiz | diplo: ah, argue that automated deployments leads to more standardisation, higher quality deployments, less errors and after initial period, quicker | 13:42 |
| diplo | Done that, like pounding head against a brick wall, actions speak more here | 13:42 |
| diplo | I've written more documentation in the last few years than the rest of the 17 staff have in the last 15! | 13:43 |
| intrbiz | diplo: I like that with Ansible I can setup servers or work on servers which have been hand built, etc, running over SSH is a big win when you can't have an agent or master server | 13:43 |
| diplo | yeah defo, that's what I liked about it the first time I heard about it, watched a few youtube vids and was sold | 13:43 |
| intrbiz | diplo: hehe :) deployment scripts also end up being a form of documentation | 13:44 |
| intrbiz | diplo: nothing stop just you using ansible to deploy stuff, people are likely to follow when things work better for you | 13:45 |
| diplo | yeah, they don't write any comments in any of their code, so hopefully me writing this and documenting it and commenting it may start to sink in the usefulness of it | 13:45 |
| diplo | yeah, exactly what I'm thinking, deploy my local test vm's etc | 13:45 |
| intrbiz | diplo: what kind of stuff are you deploying? | 13:45 |
| diplo | We sell our own ERP software, text based with a browser based one in the works too, so it's setting up clients servers and making changes etc | 13:46 |
| diplo | We have about 80-100 customers, about 150 servers running CentOS 4 to 6 | 13:47 |
| diplo | Web servers for the E-commerce part as well | 13:47 |
| diplo | Routers and mail servers for a lot of those customers too | 13:47 |
| diplo | We are the security nightmare! | 13:48 |
| intrbiz | diplo: note with centos 5 you need to install the python-json rpm | 13:49 |
| diplo | ah okay, noted thanks, only a few sites on 5, most are either 4 ( yes i know its EOL! ) and the rest on 6 | 13:50 |
| diplo | We can't move to CentOS7 yet as the software wasn't written to support 64bit ( our own compiled software ) | 13:51 |
| awilkins | Doesn't CentOS 7 have multiarch? | 13:52 |
| diplo | maybe, this software was written 15+years ago, fixes to make it work here and there | 13:54 |
| diplo | I think it specifically looks for x86 in uname, it's fixable to run, just going to take time | 13:54 |
| knightwise | ok , picking up a micro sd card later on for my raspberry pi | 14:00 |
| knightwise | I was thinking of hooking it up to a monitor and running mate on it but i don't realy see the point | 14:01 |
| zmoylan-pi | because you can... :-) | 14:02 |
| intrbiz | diplo: not based on Progress per chance? | 14:02 |
| awilkins | + | 14:03 |
| awilkins | Oops | 14:03 |
| diplo | Nope, Simple - simple by name and nature | 14:09 |
| diplo | It was another companies software, we bought them out about 10 years ago and now own the license, albeit we are pretty much the only ones who use it now | 14:10 |
| diplo | Another 5 years maybe and it'll be out of our hair :/ | 14:10 |
| intrbiz | diplo: ah ok | 14:10 |
| diplo | Most of our staff are in their late 40's early 50's, been writing in it for 15-20 years | 14:11 |
| diplo | Started off in proper machinee code :) | 14:12 |
| intrbiz | sure | 14:12 |
| awilkins | Heh | 14:12 |
| diplo | GOTO 10 :P | 14:12 |
| zmoylan-pi | sounds like you'll be hiring them past retirement to keep it running | 14:12 |
| awilkins | I worked for a company that had to buy the Rich Text Format widget they were using because all their reporting depended on it and the company that sold it went to the wall | 14:12 |
| diplo | That's why me and my friend were employed, we worked for a company that used the ERP, but we were so big that we coded stuff ourselves for it, we had the source code | 14:13 |
| diplo | They basically can't employ anyone with our skills, I won't touch it though :) | 14:13 |
| diplo | Sounds like us awilkins | 14:13 |
| awilkins | We had escrow agreements with all our customers to be able to deliver the source if WE went bust | 14:14 |
| diplo | But it is so huge it's taken years to move stuff away from it, we're basically abstracting it now to our own software in c++ and eventually will be able to use any front end to interact | 14:14 |
| diplo | The company I used to work for had the same awilkins, we were too locked in with them to not be | 14:15 |
| awilkins | This was all VB3 of course :-) | 14:15 |
| diplo | :( | 14:15 |
| awilkins | It won't even run on 64-bit windows because it has no 64-32-16 bit thunking layer | 14:16 |
| diplo | Our web front end is currently php, but we've also written a c# client and android app | 14:16 |
| awilkins | TBH you learn a lot from using cheesy languages like VB3 | 14:16 |
| awilkins | When you can write good code in VB, you've gained something in terms of discipline | 14:16 |
| zmoylan-pi | vb is not a bad language. it's tainted by basic and all the bad variants of those | 14:16 |
| zmoylan-pi | but the current versions are no longer basic | 14:17 |
| awilkins | Indeed | 14:17 |
| awilkins | I refuse to learn VB.NET on the grounds that it will erase my VB6 EEPROM | 14:17 |
| ali1234 | come on... vb makes basic look like the best language ever | 14:17 |
| awilkins | And VB6 will be one of the COBOLs of the future | 14:17 |
| zmoylan-pi | and they let you paint yourself into a corner unlike languages of the time like pascal that made you do things the 'right way' | 14:17 |
| diplo | yeah I guess, same can be said for simple, we've written key generators and stuff like that in it now that was supposed to not be able to be done | 14:17 |
| bashrc_ | on error continue all the things! | 14:18 |
| diplo | ooh vm is nearly done! | 14:18 |
| awilkins | Ugh | 14:18 |
| awilkins | I know of at least one "professional" coder who puts "On Error Resume Next" at the top of everything | 14:18 |
| bashrc_ | yes I think that was it | 14:18 |
| awilkins | It's actually possible to do proper structured error handling in VB, I have some nice libs for it | 14:18 |
| davmor2 | awilkins: you really need to stop doing that | 14:18 |
| awilkins | I have a VB6 dev kit on a VM in my archives | 14:18 |
| bashrc_ | back in the day people would routinely use that, and it resulted in debugging nightmares | 14:18 |
| diplo | You never want to look at our code :D | 14:20 |
| diplo | it is a nightmare! No comments, some of the programs are 5-6k lines long | 14:20 |
| zmoylan-pi | never look at someone elses code :-) | 14:21 |
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| * awilkins has Java programs where some of the *classes* are 5-6klines long | 14:21 | |
| diplo | hah | 14:22 |
| zmoylan-pi | i remember 'fixing' some ancient code where it was 10k lines in one text file, no functions or procedures. just gosub and goto... | 14:22 |
| bashrc_ | I think that's known as a hairball | 14:22 |
| zmoylan-pi | and line numbers were in an interesting nonsequential order... | 14:23 |
| intrbiz | I decompiled a Java app we brought in in a previous job, to debug some lockups | 14:23 |
| zmoylan-pi | i saw it as more kerplunk :-) | 14:23 |
| intrbiz | their util class was 26,000 lines long | 14:23 |
| * awilkins finds the Java class with 6.125 klines of copde | 14:23 | |
| awilkins | Well, that's a nasty smell right there "Util class" | 14:23 |
| intrbiz | hehe | 14:23 |
| intrbiz | I have on in my code, it is mostly used for: static isEmpty(String s) | 14:24 |
| intrbiz | this product was pretty special | 14:24 |
| intrbiz | web forms software | 14:24 |
| intrbiz | riddled with bugs | 14:25 |
| awilkins | isEmpty(String s) because s may be null? | 14:25 |
| awilkins | or "empty" includes whitespace? | 14:25 |
| intrbiz | awilkins: s == null || s.length == 0 | 14:25 |
| awilkins | Would probably prefer to just use Preconditions.assertNotNull(s) on the first line | 14:27 |
| awilkins | If null has a special meaning, deal with it explicitly, otherwise, treat it as an error | 14:27 |
| intrbiz | not always an option when dealing with user input | 14:27 |
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| diddledan | thankyou LinuxFormat: they pointed me to https://code.launchpad.net/~kirkland/hollywood/trunk | 19:31 |
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| xboxOne | Uhh | 21:10 |
| xboxOne | What is the difference between Ubuntu and Ubuntu-uk? | 21:10 |
| daftykins | that one is primarily support | 21:13 |
| daftykins | this one is regional and strays a little more off topic and chatty | 21:13 |
| xboxOne | Ah | 21:14 |
| daftykins | if you have a question, you can ask in both - but might get more responses over there | 21:14 |
| xboxOne | But you also provide support, right? | 21:14 |
| xboxOne | Is true people saying Ubuntu is dying? | 21:14 |
| daftykins | that doesn't sound like a support question to me | 21:15 |
| xboxOne | LOL! | 21:15 |
| xboxOne | You said this place is chatty | 21:15 |
| xboxOne | so I am chatting | 21:15 |
| daftykins | good for you :) | 21:16 |
| xboxOne | Hey guess which IRC client I am using? :) | 21:16 |
| daftykins | i don't know how anyone gauges any given distros lifespan | 21:16 |
| daftykins | er i'm not especially fussed | 21:16 |
| xboxOne | Well, people say because it uses unity | 21:16 |
| xboxOne | it sucks now | 21:16 |
| xboxOne | and therefore off the wagon | 21:16 |
| daftykins | plenty of other desktop spins to use, xubuntu, lubuntu, kubuntu, ubuntu gnome, ubuntu MATE | 21:17 |
| xboxOne | Man, there is just lots of flavors for Ubuntu | 21:17 |
| daftykins | yip | 21:38 |
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| m0nkey_ | Heh, not forgetting the rest of the other window manager, awesome, ratpoison, gnustep, e17... | 22:45 |
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