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Subsentientknome: Oh sorry was afk00:04
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aqu4[$tell <required_arg(s)>]: Used to tell someone a message the next time they enter a channel or speak.00:05
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Subsentientdo /msg aqu4 commands to see the rest.00:05
knomeSubsentient, ok, in that case, could you please remove the bot from the channel00:11
Subsentientknome: As you wish.00:12
Subsentient$part00:12
aqu4Assuming you mean this channel.00:12
knomeSubsentient, yes; thanks, and thanks for understanding :)00:12
nerdistmonkyes we can only one george orwellian overlord at a time in here00:12
Subsentientknome: I like to bring it along with me :^)00:13
knomei like ubottu <300:14
nerdistmonkYou thought you could bring your own creation into an open source operating system chatroom full of developers?....muahaha...well erm.. actually no, no you can't.00:14
Subsentientknome: Oh, if you're interested: http://github.com/Subsentient/aqu4bot00:14
knomeSubsentient, i briefly peeked there already O;)00:15
Subsentientknome: hah, clever girl.00:15
knomeSubsentient, but not really, i'll try to avoid any code at all costs...00:15
knomegirl? o.O00:15
Unit193knome: Jurassic Park.00:15
Subsentientit's just an expression :^)00:15
knomeUnit193, Gladiator.00:16
knomeSubsentient, i see... thanks mom.00:16
knomeO:)00:16
Subsentientknome: Any time sweetie00:16
bluesabreknome: still around?01:23
bluesabre10 minutes of hacking http://i.imgur.com/E4bEqaB.png01:23
Unit193bluesabre: He went to bed several minutes ago.01:23
bluesabreaww01:23
bluesabreknome: for when you get back, https://youtu.be/kuei-Xk0g6E02:05
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ochosiwow, both gimp and LO are in a tight spot, just like pleia2 likes it i guess :)07:24
elfywe should have had 1 vote for the abiword thing07:26
ochosito prevent us from shipping no office stuff at all?07:29
elfythe vote doesn't prevent us doing that 07:33
ochosii think that was knome's (not-so-secret) plan all along07:33
elfybbl 07:33
ali1234let's drop everything07:34
ali1234ship nothing that isn't a core part of xfce from xfce.org07:34
ochosi:)07:35
elfythat was bizarre ... 07:35
elfyanyway - work for me now 07:35
ali1234it's funny that people want a cut down paint program, but they don't want the cut down word processor and spreadsheet that they currently have07:37
Unit193Hey now, look at my votes!  They don't do that! :P07:40
ochosii have no problem with gnumeric, but abiword sucks07:40
ochosiactually it shouldn't be very hard to add basic image editing functions to ristretto (rotate, flip), but i think stephan arts was always really opposed to that07:45
ali1234"print" would be nice07:45
ochosiyeah, eog has that07:46
Unit193ochosi: http://www.abisource.com/release-notes/3.0.1.phtml wasn't good enough?07:47
bluesabrethe problem isn't wanting minimalistic applications, rather that Abiword is usually a nest of bugs10:33
bluesabreif it wasn't so bad, I don't think we'd even have the conversation about replacing it10:34
brainvvashbluesabre, ochosi: did xfdesktop even draw the background before the ubiquity devs messed around with opting out feh or using some gsettings voodoo?10:38
brainvvashI think that xfdestkop always showed desktop icons by default, so why weren't they visible before?10:53
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knomebluesabre, cool13:28
knomeochosi, not really..13:29
knome:P13:29
ochosinot really what?13:30
knomemy plan to not ship any office suite13:30
ochosioh, ofc :)13:30
ochosibbabl13:30
knomeaha13:30
slickymasterWorkhey knome 13:31
knomehello slickymasterWork 13:34
slickymasterWorksoryy knome13:43
slickymasterWork* sorry 13:43
knomewhat? :)13:43
slickymasterWorkknome, have you thought about krytarik's MP?13:44
slickymasterWorksorry for the delay13:44
knomehmph.13:44
* slickymasterWork hates when knome answers hmph13:45
knomei'm still not happy with all of the details of it13:46
knomemostly the cross reference handling13:46
knomebut as Unit193 said, we'll need a part of that merge proposal anyway13:46
slickymasterWorkexactly, and we already changed x-d-s because of it13:47
knomeso i would say we should go ahead with the other changes *now* and poke bluesbre for an upload13:47
slickymasterWorkcan't do anything right now~13:48
slickymasterWorklater at home13:48
slickymasterWorkunless you have five minutes to spare and do it knome 13:48
knomei can do it later too13:49
slickymasterWorklol, which one of us that manages to do it will do it ;)13:50
knomeyep13:51
elfynate254: yea - 6 monthly18:10
elfyso vv will release in April, then we start looking at the next - which will be October (15.10)18:11
elfywhich will be followed by the next LTS 16.04 - then the cycle starts again 18:11
nate254Here's a question: is it normal that upgrading from 14.04 LTS to 14.10 breaks the system? 18:13
elfynate254: no 18:14
nate254elfy: Okay. I suppose I've never had much luck with it then18:15
davmor2slickymaster: could be worse, you could have no answer from knome at all18:27
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knomeslickymaster, did you merge the proposal as is or without the cross reference part?21:50
slickymasterI merged as it was knome 21:51
knomeok21:51
slickymasterwasn't it supposed to be merged entirly knome?21:51
slickymasterI'm guessing not :P21:51
bluesabreneed an upload?21:52
slickymasterif you'd be so kind bluesabre21:52
slickymasterpretty please?21:52
knomeslickymaster, well i said i wasn't completely happy with the cross references and that we probably should merge the other parts now21:52
knomebut if you merged it already... 21:52
* knome shrugs21:52
ochosihey folks21:52
slickymastersorry knome 21:52
slickymastermy bad21:52
knomeit's not an LTS, we can act next cycle too21:52
knomenah, it's ok21:52
knomeyou're the doc lead anyway21:53
knomehullo ochosi, bluesabre 21:53
slickymasterI knew you weren't too happy about the cross references21:53
knomeand hello slickymaster officiall too :P21:53
knomeslickymaster, yeah, they were part of the MP21:53
slickymasterbut I got the impression that wouldn't bother it to be merged now and afterwards rollbacked if needed21:54
knomewell that's the other option21:54
bluesabrenext question is, what am I uploading?21:54
knomebluesabre, -docs21:54
slickymasteryes21:54
slickymasterand hey officially also knome, bluesabre and ochosi 21:54
knomebtw, we need a new upload for the slideshow21:57
knomeiirc, dylan, the project driver, is working on it, but i'm not sure.21:57
ochosioh, why's that?21:58
knomewell, because dylan merged some content changes from jack21:58
knomebut didn't update the translation templates21:58
knomeso a few strings will be non-translated for all languages21:59
knomeunless we have a new upload that allows people to actually translate those messages21:59
knomeand we need the upload because the translations are done for the ubuntu package, not the upstream21:59
knomewe're pushing to change this for the next cycle though, so uploads would only be needed AFTER the translation work is done22:00
slickymasterexactly22:00
knome(now it's needed BOTH BEFORE and AFTER)22:00
slickymasterwhich is something we're wishing to change from next cycle on22:00
knomedidn't i say that? :P22:00
ochosiah ok22:01
knomeso yeah22:01
knomethe merging was...22:01
knomewell not unwelcome, but unexpected22:01
knomei would have personally waited for 15.10 with that22:01
knomebasically because of this need of uploads we now have22:01
knome(and because it was after string freeze and all..)22:02
slickymasteryeap22:02
bluesabreanything else need to go into -docs, or are they good to go?22:05
ochositoo late to revert?22:05
knomeochosi, slideshow? not really, but then it would need an upload too..22:05
knomebluesabre, good to go (just make sure changelog looks sane)22:06
bluesabreknome: thanks, will upload shortly22:07
slickymasterthanks bluesabre 22:07
knomeochosi, i mean, the changes itself are okay, nothing wrong with them; they just landed quite late and gave us this translation issue22:07
slickymasteron the worst bad timing possible22:07
ochosik22:20
ochosihey pleia2 22:43
ochosifirst of all, nice interview in the fridge!22:43
pleia2hey ochosi 22:44
pleia2thanks :)22:44
ochosisecondly, i'm curious about your tie-breaking skills :]22:45
pleia2ah yes, I saw mention of gimp and libreoffice22:45
ochosiat least iirc you were the last one to vote, which makes it all the more fun22:46
knomeochosi, what's the situation now?22:47
knomeare we dropping abiword/gnumeric anyway?22:47
ochosiyeah22:47
knomegreat22:47
ochosibut both gimp and LO are in tight spots22:47
knomei mean...22:47
knomeit's progress.22:47
knome;)22:47
ochosidespite having a team vote result, we might have to discuss those two further in the 15.10 cycle22:48
ochosi(assess how much space things take and if we go for LO, we need to settle on what parts we'd go for)22:49
pleia2how are they in tight spots?22:49
ochosigimp: pro: 3, con: 3, 0: 322:49
ochosisame for LO22:49
knomepleia2, you being the tiebreaker22:49
bluesabreglad I voted yesterday22:49
knomepleia2, well not the tiebreaker, but the deciding vote...22:50
pleia2did we drop gimp at some point?22:50
ochosinope22:50
knomepleia2, unless you vote +0, when ochosi's vote becomes tiebreaker22:50
knomepleia2, no :(22:50
knomeoh wait, did we?22:50
knomewhen we wanted to fit a CD22:50
knomethen we reintroduced that and abiword and gnumeric22:50
pleia2I thought we did, but I forget now22:50
knomesurely we did that22:50
ochosipleia2: no rush, take your time to read up on the discussion - you still have a week until time runs out22:50
pleia2I think we drop gimp (as much as I love it so, my poor, darling gimp!), and bring on LO (i've felt this way for ages)22:51
knome"Gnumeric and GIMP are reintroduced on the ISO" <- 13.04 release22:51
knomeyay for dropping gimp22:51
bluesabrepleia2: that sounds like a good outcome22:51
pleia2I don't need to read more about LO22:51
knomeboo for bringing LO :P22:51
ochosi:)22:51
ochosisounds good to me22:52
knomeochosi, set a vote for the components to include...22:52
bluesabreLO looks more like Gtk than abiword and gnumeric oftentimes22:52
ochosialso because it's maximum change, and 15.10 is still for trying things out before we settle on something for the LTS22:52
knomeLO always looks more like an office suite22:52
pleia2based on feedback on mailing lists and social media from our users, LO is what people use22:52
knomeyes22:52
ochositrue22:52
knomeslickymaster, be ready to rewrite the documentation...22:53
ochosilol22:53
bluesabreknome: gave you something to do https://code.launchpad.net/~bluesabre/xubuntu-docs/xubuntu-docs/+merge/255596 :)22:53
knomei'll do that right now22:53
knomeoh man22:54
knomewhat kind of conflict do i have now22:54
* knome rebranches22:54
bluesabrelol22:56
bluesabrejust setting history straight :)22:56
knomedone22:57
bluesabreyay22:57
bluesabreactually, should have made that string shorter, woops22:58
bluesabreUnit193 will pick on me for that one later22:58
knomelol22:59
knomeUnit193 is Mr. Pickles22:59
bluesabremhm23:03
knomesent mail to -devel, please discuss :)23:03
bluesabreUnit193 CookieMonster Pickles23:03

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