| valorie | soee: super | 00:23 |
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| ahoneybun | is here | 01:58 |
| valorie | doodle done | 02:29 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Looks like someone got it already. | 03:19 |
| lordievader | Goodmorning. | 08:11 |
| xennex81 | morning (has spoken) | 08:12 |
| * sitter wonders if kubuntu notification helper should be a plasmoid instead of a kded | 09:51 | |
| Riddell | possiblemente | 09:52 |
| sitter | Riddell: oh thanks for sdk copyright | 09:52 |
| sitter | Riddell: and btw, what do I do with the about-distro repo now? | 09:55 |
| sitter | add a readme pointing to kinfocenter or is there something else we'd do? | 09:56 |
| Riddell | sitter: nothing it's in unmaintained https://projects.kde.org/projects/unmaintained/about-distro | 09:57 |
| Riddell | and I'll add it to the notes for the plasma 5.3 which I'll start on today | 09:57 |
| sitter | Riddell: surely we shoudl scrap the content and add a readme? | 09:57 |
| Riddell | 5.3 beta | 09:57 |
| sitter | it's not like someone cloning kde:about-distro would know it is deprecated | 09:57 |
| Riddell | sitter: just add it to the description on projects.k.o I think https://projects.kde.org/projects/unmaintained/about-distro | 09:57 |
| Riddell | add a readme to the git repo if you really want | 09:58 |
| Riddell | I'm not super happy about it being in kinfocentre, previously it was easy to find because system settings is in the kickoff favourites but kinfocentre isn't at all | 09:58 |
| Riddell | and kinfocentre has a crappy name | 09:58 |
| sitter | well, it really does not fit in systemsettings | 09:59 |
| sitter | the only reason we put it there was discoverability | 09:59 |
| Riddell | sure | 09:59 |
| * sitter never was super happy with that | 09:59 | |
| Riddell | exactly | 09:59 |
| Riddell | maybe system settings needs a toolbar button to launch kinfocentre | 09:59 |
| sitter | actually... maybe systemsettings needs a fake-module that launches kinfocenter | 10:00 |
| sitter | of course then one has the same problem xD | 10:00 |
| sitter | Riddell: maybe just put it in the help menu? | 10:00 |
| Riddell | that seems messy, it's why I suggested a toolbar button | 10:00 |
| sitter | of systemsettings | 10:00 |
| * sitter would find a toolbar button cluttering the toolbar | 10:01 | |
| sitter | it's not really relevant to the operation of systemsettings | 10:01 |
| Riddell | anyway, plasma 5.3 beta tar time, is releaseme in a good shape? | 10:01 |
| sitter | I don't think I did any changes recently | 10:01 |
| sitter | meh, everytime someone touches phonon's cmake things blow up :S | 10:06 |
| sitter | http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=about-distro.git&a=commit&h=1e42a50b67dc6a8b34583e302b781e34b5c08e8f | 10:07 |
| sitter | Riddell: I feel like muon master is being a bit regressing | 10:08 |
| sitter | notifier spams while doing a cache update, updater doesn't reset state after install -.- | 10:08 |
| sitter | Riddell: btw, when is 5.3 branching? | 10:08 |
| Riddell | sitter: hopefully this afternoon | 10:08 |
| sitter | ok | 10:08 |
| * sitter twiddles the ci settings | 10:09 | |
| Riddell | notifier spam is because we fixed kubuntu-notifier, I don't think muon has changed in that regard | 10:09 |
| Riddell | we just never notiticed because kubuntu-notifier didn't notify | 10:09 |
| sitter | that notification isn't from kubutnu notifier | 10:09 |
| sitter | Riddell: it did, the entire event for that was removed | 10:09 |
| sitter | oh, maybe the reboot notification is being the thing that gets triggered | 10:10 |
| sitter | although that would be odd | 10:11 |
| Riddell | reboot, system update and system release upgrade notification is kubuntu-notifier | 10:11 |
| Riddell | muon just has the green shield icon in the systray | 10:11 |
| sitter | Oo | 10:11 |
| sitter | system update shouldn't go through kubuntu-notifier wtf | 10:12 |
| * sitter wonders if prison ever gets a release | 10:12 | |
| sitter | Riddell: is bluez-qt already going to be part of the beta? | 10:14 |
| Riddell | sitter: yep | 10:15 |
| Riddell | and libbluedevil will disappear | 10:15 |
| Riddell | sitter: so will plasma-sdk | 10:15 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning all | 10:16 |
| soee_ | Good morning BluesKaj | 10:19 |
| BluesKaj | Hey soee_ | 10:19 |
| === soee_ is now known as soee | ||
| sitter | Riddell: bluez-qt no epoch? | 10:47 |
| Riddell | sitter: hmm, I don't think there's plans to make it a framework | 10:47 |
| sitter | Originally, I wanted to move it to frameworks. But if i think about it again, | 10:49 |
| sitter | I plan to extend the library with new features which may break the ABI. | 10:49 |
| sitter | Riddell: from the original mail that is... so that doesn't exlucde it moving to frameworks later on | 10:49 |
| Riddell | right | 10:49 |
| Riddell | best keep without an epoch then | 10:49 |
| sitter | someone review please: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/plasma/bluez-qt.git/tree/debian?h=kubuntu_unstable | 10:50 |
| sitter | Riddell: btw, I really object to random plasma libs using the kf5 prefixing | 10:51 |
| sitter | that entirely deludes the public perception of separation between the two and whats worse to a random third party it looks as though the plasma lib is a framework lib (i.e. abi stable) | 10:52 |
| Riddell | sitter: you are right but send your wrath to plasma-devel may be more productive :) | 10:52 |
| Riddell | bluez-qt dude says.. 11:53 < nowrep> Riddell: actually i need to revise some parts of api, after that we can make it a framework | 10:53 |
| Riddell | 11:53 < nowrep> i'm not sure when i'll have time for it though | 10:54 |
| === kbroulik is now known as kbroulik-lunch | ||
| BluesKaj | what happened to Kmix in the panel , no longer available ? | 11:35 |
| soee_ | it is | 11:39 |
| BluesKaj | nowhere to be seen here , not in system tray settings | 11:42 |
| soee_ | start it | 11:43 |
| BluesKaj | I did and it's set to dock in system tray , but it doesn't show | 11:48 |
| Riddell | sitter: I need a .yml file, got any examples? | 11:53 |
| === kbroulik-lunch is now known as kbroulik | ||
| sitter | Riddell: yml for what? | 11:54 |
| Riddell | sitter: for plasma-workspace-wallpapers in svn | 11:55 |
| sitter | Riddell: https://github.com/apachelogger/releaseme/blob/master/test/data/projects/valid-svn.yml | 11:55 |
| shadeslayer | Love me some yaml | 11:57 |
| Riddell | sitter: what am I doing wrong? https://paste.kde.org/pyjtyqhob | 12:00 |
| sitter | Riddell: your repository url is wrong | 12:02 |
| sitter | you need to point to the actual path | 12:02 |
| Riddell | you example was crap :) | 12:02 |
| sitter | well it was a test | 12:02 |
| sitter | I pasted my actual example like 5 times already and you never tested it :P | 12:02 |
| Riddell | it failed my test :) | 12:02 |
| sitter | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/plasma-workspace-wallpapers | 12:03 |
| Riddell | I know | 12:03 |
| sitter | or some such | 12:03 |
| === soee_ is now known as soee | ||
| Riddell | presumably --origin doesn't affect svn and I need to update the .yml for the branch on the bug fix releases | 12:08 |
| sitter | Riddell: yes | 12:09 |
| sitter | you can simply create another config though | 12:10 |
| === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter | ||
| sitter | the tarball name is derived from the identifier key, so you can have foo.yml and bar.yml with both containing identifier: foobar and they will both yield foobar-123.tar.xz | 12:11 |
| sitter | so I'd suggest you simply create a config plasma-workspace-wallpapers.yml and plasma-workspace-wallpapers-5.3.yml | 12:12 |
| sitter | we could consider making origin influence it though. that would need some refactoring in various parts so it's nothing immediately possible | 12:13 |
| Riddell | sitter: it doesn't seem entirely happy although it has made the tar https://paste.kde.org/p1nxmpmgr | 12:14 |
| sitter | probably craps out on release_data | 12:14 |
| Riddell | release_data is empty | 12:16 |
| xennex81 | I'm doing a write up on the 5 sections thing for the website, if anyone would eventually be interested in it. But it is coming together nicely I think, just a long process of getting to the essence. | 12:16 |
| xennex81 | Writing it in Calligra now lol. | 12:17 |
| xennex81 | On Gnome :P. | 12:17 |
| sitter | hm | 12:17 |
| sitter | Riddell: that raises the question what tagme and branchme should do with this | 12:18 |
| sitter | Riddell: would it be acceptable to simply exclude the tarball from release_data for now? | 12:18 |
| sitter | once I redesign the data format this can be handled better, right now everything assumes that the repo data in release_data is git, so if we insert any garbage to do with svn the other tools will fall over dead | 12:19 |
| Riddell | sitter: I guess so I just do a manual branch and tag anyway without checking the revisions too closely | 12:19 |
| sitter | right | 12:19 |
| sitter | Riddell: pull | 12:22 |
| sitter | svn releases should now be excluded from being written to release_data altogether until the new data format lands | 12:23 |
| sitter | Riddell: fwiw, we can automate checking build.kde.org probably if you want. querying crap out of jenkins is relatively straight forward | 12:27 |
| Riddell | sitter: so releaeme checking build.kde.org build status? and doing what with it? | 12:34 |
| sitter | could be another script really reporting everything that is red with link to build log | 12:35 |
| sitter | or releaseme could and warn, but I fear that might drown in all the output | 12:35 |
| Riddell | hmm, dunno if that would save time compared to me just looking at http://build.kde.org/view/Plasma%205%20master/ it's the checking the issues and pinging people that takes time | 12:37 |
| sitter | *shrug* just a thought :P | 12:38 |
| sitter | bluez-qt seems to pass integration now \o/ | 12:49 |
| Riddell | sitter: what does that mean? | 12:52 |
| sitter | Riddell: that I didn't entirely screw up the packaging | 12:57 |
| soee | oh bukai is web developer at kubuntu ? :) | 13:17 |
| Riddell | soee: he did a season of kde project to re-do the website | 13:19 |
| Riddell | which is what ovidiu-florin then took to make the one we're testing | 13:19 |
| soee | Riddell: yes i remember, im asking because he invided me on linkedit and i see he has title: Web Developer at Kubuntu | 13:20 |
| soee | so i thought maybe he somehow is involved atm in kubuntu stuff | 13:20 |
| Riddell | sitter: for the weekly iso tomorrow I'm about to branch and I guess people will push big changes like I know vishes wants to push a whole new baloo database so maybe best take packages from today? | 13:21 |
| Riddell | as long as they have the new wallpaper in it for screenshots :) | 13:21 |
| sitter | http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_unstable_breeze/115/ | 13:26 |
| sitter | it does say so at least | 13:26 |
| sitter | I wonder what to do with bluedevil and its unpromotability for snapshots | 13:26 |
| sitter | surely we aren't getting bluez5 yet again | 13:26 |
| Riddell | seems not :( | 13:26 |
| soee | Riddell: are there going to be any 5.3 beta test builds for vivid or nothing until 15.04 is released ? | 13:28 |
| Riddell | dunno, depends if someone has time | 13:29 |
| Riddell | it would be nice | 13:29 |
| * soee is listening to Brother Louie by Modern Talking on VOX FM [Amarok] | 13:31 | |
| sitter | Riddell: I think we actually want to switch the ISO to stable until release | 13:40 |
| sitter | pre-release testering and whatnot | 13:41 |
| sitter | I am rolling an unstable ISO to be on the safe side though | 13:41 |
| sitter | Riddell: any time estimate on when you'll be branching? | 13:41 |
| Riddell | rerolling plasma-desktop now then I'll branch | 13:42 |
| sitter | ok | 13:42 |
| Riddell | the wallpapers man has just told me he has another 18 wallpapers to add so I'll not branch plasma-workspace-wallpapers | 13:42 |
| sitter | :O | 13:42 |
| sitter | madness | 13:42 |
| sitter | 1 gig just for wallpapers | 13:42 |
| Riddell | probably a good thing to not include it in the main breeze tar :) | 13:44 |
| sitter | it's not like it would make that much of a difference. I did a git pull on breeze this morning, took probably 5 minutes or so for a month of history since my last pull ... | 13:45 |
| sitter | it's terrible how badly git handles binary assets | 13:46 |
| Riddell | I know but at least the batch we're getting tonight won't be in it | 13:46 |
| Peace- | xD | 13:52 |
| Peace- | hi | 13:52 |
| soee | hiho Peace- | 14:02 |
| Peace- | soee: :) http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/minimize+maximize+close+buttons+plasma+5?content=169633 | 14:06 |
| Peace- | soee: well i need todo something but at least i can work like in plasma 4 somehow | 14:06 |
| soee | Peace-: nice, but this does not remove buttons from widnow decoration no ? | 14:07 |
| Peace- | no no | 14:07 |
| Peace- | soee: you need to set kwin properly | 14:07 |
| Peace- | ah well i should write that to | 14:07 |
| soee | also you should provide deb fiel for it i think :) | 14:08 |
| Peace- | soee: BorderlessMaximizedWindows=true | 14:08 |
| soee | you could also run own ppa so people can grap it easliy | 14:08 |
| Peace- | in kwinrc | 14:08 |
| Peace- | soee: i have my ppa but ... i am lazy hihih | 14:09 |
| soee | oh you... :D | 14:09 |
| soee | Peace-: but woudl it be hard to make such builds in ppa ? is it something more tahn pushing code there ? | 14:10 |
| Peace- | soee: well it's easy yes but i did not that thing since years | 14:11 |
| Peace- | and well installation it's very easy task :D | 14:12 |
| Peace- | at least for me :D | 14:12 |
| soee | Peace-: yea but not sor new or not experianced users | 14:12 |
| soee | we should make their life easier :) | 14:12 |
| Peace- | soee: i did the job but i hope to NOT BE the maintainer for long even because i basically edited another plasmoid | 14:14 |
| Peace- | active windows control | 14:14 |
| Peace- | but it's ugly for me it doesn't make sense to have buttons on the title | 14:15 |
| Peace- | so ... tweaked | 14:15 |
| soee | :D | 14:15 |
| soee | we shuld make a group of people that will run ppa for such fancy addons to plasma5 | 14:15 |
| Peace- | i have written to him but ... it seems he like his own .. | 14:16 |
| Peace- | soee: i did a tons of service menu :D | 14:16 |
| soee | d_ed: i see you have some commend without response :) http://blog.davidedmundson.co.uk/node/91 | 14:16 |
| soee | *comment | 14:16 |
| soee | Peace-: im waiting for colorpicker in Plasma 5 ;D that is the most missing part for me -.- | 14:17 |
| Peace- | soee: look at this http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/kde-service-menu-aptk?content=108087 | 14:17 |
| Peace- | xD | 14:17 |
| soee | nice :) | 14:18 |
| Peace- | ah Riddell installing service menu fails on kubuntu 15.05 | 14:18 |
| Peace- | servicemenuinstallation | 14:19 |
| Peace- | /usr/bin/servicemenuinstallation:7:in `<main>': undefined method `length' for nil:NilClass (NoMethodError) | 14:19 |
| Riddell | hmm, ruby, I'm not surprised | 14:19 |
| Riddell | infact, dolphin should depend on ruby :( | 14:19 |
| Riddell | oh it does recommend it | 14:20 |
| Peace- | Riddell: sudo apt-get install ruby says i have already installed | 14:20 |
| sitter | Riddell: breeze decoration in ubiquity is broken for some reason | 14:26 |
| sitter | I saw a always-use-shadow change recently which might be causing it | 14:27 |
| sitter | it's all black and terrible | 14:27 |
| sitter | Peace-: works just fine you are using it wrong | 14:27 |
| Riddell | breeze decoration is supposed to be black and horrible no? it's just like unity | 14:28 |
| sitter | nono | 14:29 |
| sitter | broken horrible | 14:29 |
| Peace- | let me see | 14:29 |
| Peace- | mm i have upgraded | 14:30 |
| sitter | Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/5J13xhW.jpg | 14:30 |
| Peace- | now it works | 14:30 |
| Peace- | :) | 14:30 |
| Peace- | Riddell: sorry for bothering you | 14:30 |
| Peace- | i did an upgrade and now it seem it's working anyway | 14:31 |
| sitter | Riddell: it doesn't affect the actual session though, hence why I suspect the recent always-shadow change is causing it | 14:31 |
| sitter | which is gonna fall us on the head come 15.10 | 14:31 |
| Riddell | Peace-: it seems like an upstream bug anyway, if you get it again do report it | 14:31 |
| sitter | there is no bug | 14:31 |
| sitter | I checked the code | 14:31 |
| sitter | that error only happens when you use it incorrectly | 14:32 |
| Peace- | sitter: it should exit properly btw sitter | 14:32 |
| Peace- | i got before issues because it did not install the service menu | 14:33 |
| Peace- | i don't know why | 14:33 |
| sitter | that thing is not meant to be used directly | 14:35 |
| sitter | it's used from inside dolphin | 14:35 |
| sitter | it does feature rather shitty code though I will say | 14:36 |
| sitter | shadeslayer: random hack project if you are interested ... sevicemenuinstallation in dolphin could do with some less shitty code ;) | 14:37 |
| Peace- | lol | 14:37 |
| sitter | also there is a legit bug | 14:37 |
| sitter | oh no | 14:37 |
| sitter | dolphin is still kde4 | 14:37 |
| sitter | nevermind | 14:37 |
| shadeslayer | EOUTOFTIME | 14:37 |
| sitter | shadeslayer: just sayin :P | 14:38 |
| shadeslayer | get me a time machine mate | 14:38 |
| shadeslayer | or actually | 14:38 |
| Peace- | i can build one | 14:38 |
| shadeslayer | cloning machine plz | 14:38 |
| Peace- | lol | 14:38 |
| sitter | Riddell: ah meh, its getting late and I have a bit of a headache I think we'll just go with today's iso for tomorrow if everything turns red overnight. going to do the 5.3 move and branch mergery tomorrow | 14:41 |
| * sitter out | 14:43 | |
| soee | how can i restart kwin ? | 15:17 |
| Peace- | soee: in plasma 5^ | 15:19 |
| Peace- | ? | 15:19 |
| rdieter | soee: kwin --replace | 15:27 |
| rdieter | (or I guess in plasma5, kwin_x11 --replace) | 15:28 |
| soee | rdieter: thanks, had to reboot anyway as i crashed plasmashelll totally ;) | 15:28 |
| Quintasan | ovidiu-florin: Hi | 15:54 |
| soee | Peace-: ping | 16:05 |
| * Riddell out | 16:12 | |
| Peace- | soee: kquitapp5 kwin_x11 ; kwin_x11 --replace | 16:36 |
| soee | Peace-: no no :D | 16:36 |
| Peace- | soee: what? | 16:36 |
| Peace- | ;D | 16:36 |
| soee | Peace-: do you know how can i set plasmoid icon that will be shown on panel ? | 16:37 |
| Peace- | mmm in qml ? | 16:37 |
| Peace- | soee: ^ | 16:37 |
| Peace- | i guess no but :D | 16:37 |
| soee | Peace-: in metadata.desktop | 16:37 |
| Peace- | soee: ah well i do in this way , right click on metadata.desktop ==> choose icon :P | 16:38 |
| Peace- | btw | 16:38 |
| Peace- | soee: Icon=arrow-up | 16:38 |
| Peace- | for example | 16:38 |
| soee | Peace-: ok and i have custome one with extension | 16:39 |
| soee | it hows up in widgets list | 16:39 |
| soee | bt not when i add to panel | 16:39 |
| soee | byt maybe i do something wrong here | 16:39 |
| * Darkwing peers in | 16:42 | |
| Peace- | soee: mmm uh? | 16:52 |
| soee | Riddell: i see that some fix has been released to make nvidia-prime work wih sddm, so in what package exactly the chnages were made ? | 17:19 |
| Riddell | soee: in sddm and nvidia-prime packages | 19:21 |
| Riddell | soee: please do test them | 19:21 |
| soee | Riddell: there are no updates available yet | 19:21 |
| Riddell | soee: nvidia-prime 0.8.1 and sddm 0.11.0-0ubuntu9 | 19:23 |
| soee | but they are old i think | 19:23 |
| soee | in archive liek week or more | 19:23 |
| Riddell | sddm 0.11.0-0ubuntu9 is 21 hours old | 19:24 |
| Riddell | nvidia-prime is a week old | 19:24 |
| soee | uhm, ok let me check if it will work | 19:24 |
| soee | Riddell: i was able to boot without any serious problems | 19:29 |
| soee | now i try to install propriety drivers | 19:29 |
| soee | Riddell: the good news - we can install nvdia-prime and boot system fine | 19:46 |
| soee | Riddell: the bad news, we still cn't use propriety drivers, booting ends with black screen before sddm | 19:47 |
| soee | with some 3 messages, where first one is: ACPI PCC probe failed | 19:47 |
| ovidiu-florin | when starting TeamViewer it opens a new window where it shows the system tray icon | 19:50 |
| ovidiu-florin | it' start's as a wine application AFAIK | 19:50 |
| xennex81 | I am writing a piece about those 5 elements for the website but it is going deeper and deeper by the hour.... | 20:15 |
| xennex81 | If you want I can shed a little insight but I believe the website is already formatted according to some deeper truth :P. | 20:15 |
| xennex81 | :p. | 20:15 |
| xennex81 | It is amazing and it is alchemical. | 20:16 |
| xennex81 | I can hardly grasp it myself :P. | 20:16 |
| xennex81 | seriously :). | 20:16 |
| xennex81 | It goes deeper by the hour that I am writing and I have been writing all day mostly | 20:16 |
| xennex81 | apart from dealing with crashes in Calligra | 20:17 |
| xennex81 | ANYONE lol ? :) | 20:17 |
| KDDA | xennex81: no idea what you are talking about! | 20:38 |
| === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work | ||
| xennex81 | ovidiu asked on the mailing list to come up with (it was a poll) the five parts to the header bar we'd want on the new site | 20:39 |
| xennex81 | or he'd want, you'd want | 20:39 |
| KDDA | oh right | 20:39 |
| xennex81 | i submitted a reply there but it started me thinking | 20:39 |
| xennex81 | why i chose those 5 and what it meant | 20:39 |
| xennex81 | and i realized in the end that there is a deep structure to any message or product you want to sell | 20:40 |
| xennex81 | and that there are 5 base categories of doing that stuff | 20:40 |
| xennex81 | and that knowing those five instantly reveals which the 5 navigational elements (or parts to the website) should be more or less | 20:40 |
| xennex81 | it just started out as an email but now it is an ODT document :p | 20:41 |
| xennex81 | only "insanity lingers at the brink of such" and I need a break I think | 20:41 |
| xennex81 | but those elements would be, to make it short: Overview, Features, Community, Involvement, and Foundation | 20:45 |
| xennex81 | and the four calls to action on the front page should not be what it is now, but rather: Downloads, Feature Tour, Feedback, Installation/Setup. | 20:46 |
| xennex81 | There is also an element missing on the front page, and it is a news section, or a news feed. | 20:47 |
| xennex81 | Some elements are not rightly ordered, the introductory text has to be above the CtA | 20:47 |
| xennex81 | and the news feed should really be below that, not all that important perhaps but still | 20:47 |
| xennex81 | There should really not be a dedicated News section, or it should be a sixth element, but not one of the five | 20:48 |
| xennex81 | Those are my results in short | 20:48 |
| ovidiu-florin | xennex81: you lost me..... | 20:48 |
| xennex81 | where? | 20:48 |
| ovidiu-florin | about an hour ago | 20:49 |
| xennex81 | haah it is so hard to write this also in a decriptive way | 20:49 |
| xennex81 | ... | 20:49 |
| xennex81 | :( | 20:49 |
| ovidiu-florin | maybe I'm just too tired | 20:49 |
| xennex81 | yeah me too | 20:49 |
| soee | ovidiu-florin: do you plan any changes on forntpage and teh banner ? | 20:49 |
| xennex81 | and it is a bit complex for now..... | 20:49 |
| xennex81 | but the last things I said were understandable right | 20:49 |
| xennex81 | the document I write seeks to reveal it more understandibly, but it is hard for me | 20:50 |
| ovidiu-florin | and I've been working on this task for far to long | 20:50 |
| xennex81 | hah, me too today | 20:50 |
| xennex81 | but can i try to explain in short? | 20:50 |
| xennex81 | i guess i need the full document for that, but still, i have till the 15th i guess | 20:50 |
| xennex81 | i am just proposing a few changes and the document is only to make it ... erm... to explain why | 20:51 |
| ovidiu-florin | soee: if someone has any ideas on how to improve it, most likely | 20:51 |
| ovidiu-florin | xennex81: may I ask you what's your real name? | 20:51 |
| ovidiu-florin | so I know If I seet it somewhere | 20:51 |
| xennex81 | Bart Schouten | 20:51 |
| xennex81 | I was and am list@xenhideout on the mailing list | 20:52 |
| xennex81 | if I have to mention that.... | 20:52 |
| ovidiu-florin | xennex81: so you''re the one with the novel feedback | 20:52 |
| xennex81 | erm | 20:52 |
| xennex81 | you mean the lengthy feedback? :P :( | 20:53 |
| ovidiu-florin | yes | 20:53 |
| xennex81 | it could be me :p ..... | 20:53 |
| ovidiu-florin | it's very hard to go through it | 20:53 |
| xennex81 | i'm trying to condense you know | 20:53 |
| xennex81 | that's because I don't spend enough time on it | 20:53 |
| xennex81 | I know | 20:53 |
| ovidiu-florin | you should be more specific and to the point | 20:53 |
| xennex81 | usually if I rewrite it a few times it shrinks to 20% | 20:53 |
| ovidiu-florin | e.g.: do this ... because .... done | 20:54 |
| xennex81 | i'm doing everything I can, but it takes time for me at current | 20:54 |
| KDDA | LOL | 20:54 |
| xennex81 | so this time instead of rushing a message out I'm just doing what I can to condense it first :P | 20:54 |
| xennex81 | let's say I am thinkign aloud | 20:55 |
| xennex81 | and that is why it is long | 20:55 |
| xennex81 | because I have no one else to talk to and thinkign to myself is hard here also | 20:55 |
| xennex81 | I'm kinda locked up somehwere | 20:55 |
| xennex81 | but need to call a girl, brb | 20:55 |
| ovidiu-florin | when ever I'm undecided on something, I talk with someone, usually my wife, a she understands me best | 20:56 |
| ovidiu-florin | next, if it's Kubuntu related I give Riddell a ring | 20:56 |
| xennex81 | yeah and I'm so envious of having someone normal to talk to | 20:56 |
| ovidiu-florin | and then write a message to the community | 20:56 |
| xennex81 | I'm surrounded by... people I do not want to relate to | 20:56 |
| ovidiu-florin | that's why we're here | 20:57 |
| ovidiu-florin | but, xennex81, IMO, the brainstorming place is here (IRC) and archive and decision making is on the mail list | 20:57 |
| ovidiu-florin | if you send your brainstorming on the mail list, poeple will tend to ignore you | 20:58 |
| ovidiu-florin | if you need, we can organize a mumble room | 20:58 |
| ovidiu-florin | and talk, instead of typing | 20:58 |
| ovidiu-florin | xennex81: P.S. Mention someone if you want to draw their attention on IRC | 21:00 |
| ovidiu-florin | use tab to autocomplete their nick | 21:00 |
| ovidiu-florin | this will help you find them easy | 21:00 |
| xennex81 | oh, that is good information | 21:03 |
| xennex81 | I know they ignore me, I would ignore myself, and I usually do | 21:03 |
| xennex81 | which is why I am in so much trouble. | 21:03 |
| ovidiu-florin | I'm off to bed | 21:03 |
| * ovidiu-florin Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...... | 21:03 | |
| xennex81 | @ ovidiu-florin ;-) | 21:03 |
| xennex81 | oh, that was a name-change :P | 21:04 |
| xennex81 | he beat me to it | 21:04 |
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