[00:23] <valorie> soee: super
[01:58] <ahoneybun> is here
[02:29] <valorie> doodle done
[03:19] <ScottK> Riddell: Looks like someone got it already.
[08:11] <lordievader> Goodmorning.
[08:12] <xennex81> morning (has spoken)
[09:51]  * sitter wonders if kubuntu notification helper should be a plasmoid instead of a kded
[09:52] <Riddell> possiblemente
[09:52] <sitter> Riddell: oh thanks for sdk copyright
[09:55] <sitter> Riddell: and btw, what do I do with the about-distro repo now?
[09:56] <sitter> add a readme pointing to kinfocenter or is there something else we'd do?
[09:57] <Riddell> sitter: nothing it's in unmaintained https://projects.kde.org/projects/unmaintained/about-distro
[09:57] <Riddell> and I'll add it to the notes for the plasma 5.3 which I'll start on today
[09:57] <sitter> Riddell: surely we shoudl scrap the content and add a readme?
[09:57] <Riddell> 5.3 beta
[09:57] <sitter> it's not like someone cloning kde:about-distro would know it is deprecated
[09:57] <Riddell> sitter: just add it to the description on projects.k.o I think https://projects.kde.org/projects/unmaintained/about-distro
[09:58] <Riddell> add a readme to the git repo if you really want
[09:58] <Riddell> I'm not super happy about it being in kinfocentre, previously it was easy to find because system settings is in the kickoff favourites but kinfocentre isn't at all
[09:58] <Riddell> and kinfocentre has a crappy name
[09:59] <sitter> well, it really does not fit in systemsettings
[09:59] <sitter> the only reason we put it there was discoverability
[09:59] <Riddell> sure
[09:59]  * sitter never was super happy with that
[09:59] <Riddell> exactly
[09:59] <Riddell> maybe system settings needs a toolbar button to launch kinfocentre
[10:00] <sitter> actually... maybe systemsettings needs a fake-module that launches kinfocenter
[10:00] <sitter> of course then one has the same problem xD
[10:00] <sitter> Riddell: maybe just put it in the help menu?
[10:00] <Riddell> that seems messy, it's why I suggested a toolbar button
[10:00] <sitter> of systemsettings
[10:01]  * sitter would find a toolbar button cluttering the toolbar
[10:01] <sitter> it's not really relevant to the operation of systemsettings
[10:01] <Riddell> anyway, plasma 5.3 beta tar time, is releaseme in a good shape?
[10:01] <sitter> I don't think I did any changes recently
[10:06] <sitter> meh, everytime someone touches phonon's cmake things blow up :S
[10:07] <sitter> http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=about-distro.git&a=commit&h=1e42a50b67dc6a8b34583e302b781e34b5c08e8f
[10:08] <sitter> Riddell: I feel like muon master is being a bit regressing 
[10:08] <sitter> notifier spams while doing a cache update, updater doesn't reset state after install -.-
[10:08] <sitter> Riddell: btw, when is 5.3 branching?
[10:08] <Riddell> sitter: hopefully this afternoon
[10:08] <sitter> ok
[10:09]  * sitter twiddles the ci settings
[10:09] <Riddell> notifier spam is because we fixed kubuntu-notifier, I don't think muon has changed in that regard
[10:09] <Riddell> we just never notiticed because kubuntu-notifier didn't notify
[10:09] <sitter> that notification isn't from kubutnu notifier
[10:09] <sitter> Riddell: it did, the entire event for that was removed
[10:10] <sitter> oh, maybe the reboot notification is being the thing that gets triggered
[10:11] <sitter> although that would be odd 
[10:11] <Riddell> reboot, system update and system release upgrade notification is kubuntu-notifier
[10:11] <Riddell> muon just has the green shield icon in the systray
[10:11] <sitter> Oo
[10:12] <sitter> system update shouldn't go through kubuntu-notifier wtf
[10:12]  * sitter wonders if prison ever gets a release
[10:14] <sitter> Riddell: is bluez-qt already going to be part of the beta?
[10:15] <Riddell> sitter: yep
[10:15] <Riddell> and libbluedevil will disappear
[10:15] <Riddell> sitter: so will plasma-sdk
[10:16] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[10:19] <soee_> Good morning BluesKaj
[10:19] <BluesKaj> Hey soee_
[10:47] <sitter> Riddell: bluez-qt no epoch?
[10:47] <Riddell> sitter: hmm, I don't think there's plans to make it a framework
[10:49] <sitter> Originally, I wanted to move it to frameworks. But if i think about it again,
[10:49] <sitter> I plan to extend the library with new features which may break the ABI.
[10:49] <sitter> Riddell: from the original mail that is... so that doesn't exlucde it moving to frameworks later on
[10:49] <Riddell> right
[10:49] <Riddell> best keep without an epoch then
[10:50] <sitter> someone review please: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/plasma/bluez-qt.git/tree/debian?h=kubuntu_unstable
[10:51] <sitter> Riddell: btw, I really object to random plasma libs using the kf5 prefixing
[10:52] <sitter> that entirely deludes the public perception of separation between the two and whats worse to a random third party  it looks as though the plasma lib is a framework lib (i.e. abi stable)
[10:52] <Riddell> sitter: you are right but send your wrath to plasma-devel may be more productive :)
[10:53] <Riddell> bluez-qt dude says.. 11:53 < nowrep> Riddell: actually i need to revise some parts of api, after that we can make it a framework
[10:54] <Riddell> 11:53 < nowrep> i'm not sure when i'll have time for it though
[11:35] <BluesKaj> what happened to Kmix in the panel , no longer available ?
[11:39] <soee_> it is
[11:42] <BluesKaj> nowhere to be seen here , not in system tray settings 
[11:43] <soee_> start it
[11:48] <BluesKaj> I did and it's set to dock in system tray , but it doesn't show
[11:53] <Riddell> sitter: I need a .yml file, got any examples?
[11:54] <sitter> Riddell: yml for what?
[11:55] <Riddell> sitter: for plasma-workspace-wallpapers in svn
[11:55] <sitter> Riddell: https://github.com/apachelogger/releaseme/blob/master/test/data/projects/valid-svn.yml
[11:57] <shadeslayer> Love me some yaml
[12:00] <Riddell> sitter: what am I doing wrong? https://paste.kde.org/pyjtyqhob
[12:02] <sitter> Riddell: your repository url is wrong
[12:02] <sitter> you need to point to the actual path
[12:02] <Riddell> you example was crap :)
[12:02] <sitter> well it was a test
[12:02] <sitter> I pasted my actual example like 5 times already and you never tested it :P
[12:02] <Riddell> it failed my test :)
[12:03] <sitter> svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/plasma-workspace-wallpapers
[12:03] <Riddell> I know
[12:03] <sitter> or some such
[12:08] <Riddell> presumably --origin doesn't affect svn and I need to update the .yml for the branch on the bug fix releases
[12:09] <sitter> Riddell: yes
[12:10] <sitter> you can simply create another config though
[12:11] <sitter> the tarball name is derived from the identifier key, so you can have foo.yml and bar.yml with both containing identifier: foobar and they will both yield foobar-123.tar.xz
[12:12] <sitter> so I'd suggest you simply create a config plasma-workspace-wallpapers.yml and plasma-workspace-wallpapers-5.3.yml
[12:13] <sitter> we could consider making origin influence it though. that would need some refactoring in various parts so it's nothing immediately possible
[12:14] <Riddell> sitter: it doesn't seem entirely happy although it has made the tar https://paste.kde.org/p1nxmpmgr
[12:14] <sitter> probably craps out on release_data
[12:16] <Riddell> release_data is empty
[12:16] <xennex81> I'm doing a write up on the 5 sections thing for the website, if anyone would eventually be interested in it. But it is coming together nicely I think, just a long process of getting to the essence.
[12:17] <xennex81> Writing it in Calligra now lol.
[12:17] <xennex81> On Gnome :P.
[12:17] <sitter> hm
[12:18] <sitter> Riddell: that raises the question what tagme and branchme should do with this
[12:18] <sitter> Riddell: would it be acceptable to simply exclude the tarball from release_data for now?
[12:19] <sitter> once I redesign the data format this can be handled better, right now everything assumes that the repo data in release_data is git, so if we insert any garbage to do with svn the other tools will fall over dead
[12:19] <Riddell> sitter: I guess so I just do a manual branch and tag anyway without checking the revisions too closely
[12:19] <sitter> right
[12:22] <sitter> Riddell: pull
[12:23] <sitter> svn releases should now be excluded from being written to release_data altogether until the new data format lands
[12:27] <sitter> Riddell: fwiw, we can automate checking build.kde.org probably if you want. querying crap out of jenkins is relatively straight forward
[12:34] <Riddell> sitter: so releaeme checking build.kde.org build status? and doing what with it?
[12:35] <sitter> could be another script really reporting everything that is red with link to build log
[12:35] <sitter> or releaseme could and warn, but I fear that might drown in all the output
[12:37] <Riddell> hmm, dunno if that would save time compared to me just looking at http://build.kde.org/view/Plasma%205%20master/ it's the checking the issues and pinging people that takes time
[12:38] <sitter> *shrug* just a thought :P
[12:49] <sitter> bluez-qt seems to pass integration now \o/
[12:52] <Riddell> sitter: what does that mean?
[12:57] <sitter> Riddell: that I didn't entirely screw up the packaging
[13:17] <soee> oh bukai is web developer at kubuntu ? :)
[13:19] <Riddell> soee: he did a season of kde project to re-do the website
[13:19] <Riddell> which is what ovidiu-florin then took to make the one we're testing
[13:20] <soee> Riddell: yes i remember, im asking because he invided me on linkedit and i see he has title: Web Developer at Kubuntu
[13:20] <soee> so i thought maybe he somehow is involved atm in kubuntu stuff
[13:21] <Riddell> sitter: for the weekly iso tomorrow I'm about to branch and I guess people will push big changes like I know vishes wants to push a whole new baloo database so maybe best take packages from today?
[13:21] <Riddell> as long as they have the new wallpaper in it for screenshots :)
[13:26] <sitter> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_unstable_breeze/115/
[13:26] <sitter> it does say so at least
[13:26] <sitter> I wonder what to do with bluedevil and its unpromotability for snapshots
[13:26] <sitter> surely we aren't getting bluez5 yet again
[13:26] <Riddell> seems not :(
[13:28] <soee> Riddell: are there going to be any 5.3 beta test builds for vivid or nothing until 15.04 is released ?
[13:29] <Riddell> dunno, depends if someone has time
[13:29] <Riddell> it would be nice
[13:31]  * soee is listening to Brother Louie by Modern Talking on VOX FM [Amarok]
[13:40] <sitter> Riddell: I think we actually want to switch the ISO to stable until release
[13:41] <sitter> pre-release testering and whatnot
[13:41] <sitter> I am rolling an unstable ISO to be on the safe side though
[13:41] <sitter> Riddell: any time estimate on when you'll be branching?
[13:42] <Riddell> rerolling plasma-desktop now then I'll branch
[13:42] <sitter> ok
[13:42] <Riddell> the wallpapers man has just told me he has another 18 wallpapers to add so I'll not branch plasma-workspace-wallpapers
[13:42] <sitter> :O
[13:42] <sitter> madness
[13:42] <sitter> 1 gig just for wallpapers
[13:44] <Riddell> probably a good thing to not include it in the main breeze tar :)
[13:45] <sitter> it's not like it would make that much of a difference. I did a git pull on breeze this morning, took probably 5 minutes or so for a month of history since my last pull ...
[13:46] <sitter> it's terrible how badly git handles binary assets
[13:46] <Riddell> I know but at least the batch we're getting tonight won't be in it
[13:52] <Peace-> xD
[13:52] <Peace-> hi
[14:02] <soee> hiho Peace-
[14:06] <Peace-> soee: :) http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/minimize+maximize+close+buttons+plasma+5?content=169633
[14:06] <Peace-> soee: well i need todo something but at least i can work like in plasma 4 somehow 
[14:07] <soee> Peace-: nice, but this does not remove buttons from widnow decoration no ?
[14:07] <Peace-> no no
[14:07] <Peace-> soee: you need to set kwin properly 
[14:07] <Peace-> ah well i should write that to 
[14:08] <soee> also you should provide deb fiel for it i think :)
[14:08] <Peace-> soee: BorderlessMaximizedWindows=true 
[14:08] <soee> you could also run own ppa so people can grap it easliy
[14:08] <Peace-> in kwinrc
[14:09] <Peace-> soee: i have my ppa but ... i am lazy hihih
[14:09] <soee> oh you... :D
[14:10] <soee> Peace-: but woudl it be hard to make such builds in ppa ? is it something more tahn pushing code there ?
[14:11] <Peace-> soee: well it's easy yes but i did not that thing since years 
[14:12] <Peace-> and well installation it's very easy task :D
[14:12] <Peace-> at least for me :D
[14:12] <soee> Peace-: yea but not sor new or not experianced users
[14:12] <soee> we should make their life easier :)
[14:14] <Peace-> soee: i did the job but i hope to NOT BE the maintainer for long even because i basically edited another plasmoid 
[14:14] <Peace-> active windows control 
[14:15] <Peace-> but it's ugly for me  it doesn't make sense to have buttons on the title 
[14:15] <Peace-> so ... tweaked 
[14:15] <soee> :D
[14:15] <soee> we shuld make a group of people that will run ppa for such fancy addons to plasma5
[14:16] <Peace-> i have written to him but ... it seems he like his own ..
[14:16] <Peace-> soee: i did a tons of service menu :D
[14:16] <soee> d_ed: i see you have some commend without response :) http://blog.davidedmundson.co.uk/node/91
[14:16] <soee> *comment
[14:17] <soee> Peace-: im waiting for colorpicker in Plasma 5 ;D that is the most missing part for me -.-
[14:17] <Peace-> soee: look at this http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/kde-service-menu-aptk?content=108087
[14:17] <Peace-> xD
[14:18] <soee> nice :)
[14:18] <Peace-> ah Riddell installing service menu fails on kubuntu 15.05
[14:19] <Peace-> servicemenuinstallation 
[14:19] <Peace-> /usr/bin/servicemenuinstallation:7:in `<main>': undefined method `length' for nil:NilClass (NoMethodError)
[14:19] <Riddell> hmm, ruby, I'm not surprised
[14:19] <Riddell> infact, dolphin should depend on ruby :(
[14:20] <Riddell> oh it does recommend it
[14:20] <Peace-> Riddell: sudo apt-get install ruby says i have already installed 
[14:26] <sitter> Riddell: breeze decoration in ubiquity is broken for some reason
[14:27] <sitter> I saw a always-use-shadow change recently which might be causing it
[14:27] <sitter> it's all black and terrible
[14:27] <sitter> Peace-: works just fine you are using it wrong
[14:28] <Riddell> breeze decoration is supposed to be black and horrible no? it's just like unity
[14:29] <sitter> nono
[14:29] <sitter> broken horrible
[14:29] <Peace-> let me see
[14:30] <Peace-> mm i have upgraded 
[14:30] <sitter> Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/5J13xhW.jpg
[14:30] <Peace-> now it works 
[14:30] <Peace-> :)
[14:30] <Peace-> Riddell: sorry for bothering you 
[14:31] <Peace-> i did an upgrade and now it seem it's working anyway 
[14:31] <sitter> Riddell: it doesn't affect the actual session though, hence why I suspect the recent always-shadow change is causing it
[14:31] <sitter> which is gonna fall us on the head come 15.10
[14:31] <Riddell> Peace-: it seems like an upstream bug anyway, if you get it again do report it
[14:31] <sitter> there is no bug
[14:31] <sitter> I checked the code
[14:32] <sitter> that error only happens when you use it incorrectly
[14:32] <Peace-> sitter: it should exit properly btw sitter
[14:33] <Peace-> i got before issues because it did not install the service menu 
[14:33] <Peace-> i don't know why 
[14:35] <sitter> that thing is not meant to be used directly
[14:35] <sitter> it's used from inside dolphin
[14:36] <sitter> it does feature rather shitty code though I will say
[14:37] <sitter> shadeslayer: random hack project if you are interested ... sevicemenuinstallation in dolphin could do with some less shitty code ;)
[14:37] <Peace-> lol
[14:37] <sitter> also there is a legit bug
[14:37] <sitter> oh no
[14:37] <sitter> dolphin is still kde4
[14:37] <sitter> nevermind
[14:37] <shadeslayer> EOUTOFTIME
[14:38] <sitter> shadeslayer: just sayin :P
[14:38] <shadeslayer> get me a time machine mate
[14:38] <shadeslayer> or actually
[14:38] <Peace-> i can build one
[14:38] <shadeslayer> cloning machine plz
[14:38] <Peace-> lol
[14:41] <sitter> Riddell: ah meh, its getting late and I have a bit of a headache I think we'll just go with today's iso for tomorrow if everything turns red overnight. going to do the 5.3 move and branch mergery tomorrow
[14:43]  * sitter out
[15:17] <soee> how can i restart kwin ?
[15:19] <Peace-> soee: in plasma 5^
[15:19] <Peace-> ?
[15:27] <rdieter> soee: kwin --replace
[15:28] <rdieter> (or I guess in plasma5, kwin_x11 --replace)
[15:28] <soee> rdieter: thanks, had to reboot anyway as i crashed plasmashelll totally ;)
[15:54] <Quintasan> ovidiu-florin: Hi
[16:05] <soee> Peace-: ping
[16:12]  * Riddell out
[16:36] <Peace-> soee: kquitapp5  kwin_x11 ; kwin_x11 --replace 
[16:36] <soee> Peace-: no no :D
[16:36] <Peace-> soee: what?
[16:36] <Peace-> ;D
[16:37] <soee> Peace-: do you know how can i set plasmoid icon that will be shown on panel ?
[16:37] <Peace-> mmm in qml ?
[16:37] <Peace-> soee: ^
[16:37] <Peace-> i guess no but :D
[16:37] <soee> Peace-: in metadata.desktop
[16:38] <Peace-> soee: ah well i do in this way , right click on metadata.desktop ==> choose icon :P
[16:38] <Peace-> btw
[16:38] <Peace-> soee: Icon=arrow-up
[16:38] <Peace-> for example
[16:39] <soee> Peace-: ok and i have custome one with extension
[16:39] <soee> it hows up in widgets list
[16:39] <soee> bt not when i add to panel
[16:39] <soee> byt maybe i do something wrong here
[16:42]  * Darkwing peers in
[16:52] <Peace-> soee: mmm uh?
[17:19] <soee> Riddell: i see that some fix has been released to make nvidia-prime work wih sddm, so in what package exactly the chnages were made ?
[19:21] <Riddell> soee: in sddm and nvidia-prime packages
[19:21] <Riddell> soee: please do test them
[19:21] <soee> Riddell: there are no updates available yet
[19:23] <Riddell> soee: nvidia-prime 0.8.1  and sddm 0.11.0-0ubuntu9
[19:23] <soee> but they are old i think
[19:23] <soee> in archive liek week or more
[19:24] <Riddell> sddm 0.11.0-0ubuntu9 is 21 hours old
[19:24] <Riddell> nvidia-prime is a week old
[19:24] <soee> uhm, ok let me check if it will work
[19:29] <soee> Riddell: i was able to boot without any serious problems
[19:29] <soee> now i try to install propriety drivers
[19:46] <soee> Riddell: the good news - we can install nvdia-prime and boot system fine
[19:47] <soee> Riddell: the bad news, we still cn't use propriety drivers, booting ends with black screen before sddm
[19:47] <soee> with some 3 messages, where first one is: ACPI PCC probe failed
[19:50] <ovidiu-florin> when starting TeamViewer it opens a new window where it shows the system tray icon
[19:50] <ovidiu-florin> it' start's as a wine application AFAIK
[20:15] <xennex81> I am writing a piece about those 5 elements for the website but it is going deeper and deeper by the hour....
[20:15] <xennex81> If you want I can shed a little insight but I believe the website is already formatted according to some deeper truth :P.
[20:15] <xennex81> :p.
[20:16] <xennex81> It is amazing and it is alchemical.
[20:16] <xennex81> I can hardly grasp it myself :P.
[20:16] <xennex81> seriously :).
[20:16] <xennex81> It goes deeper by the hour that I am writing and I have been writing all day mostly
[20:17] <xennex81> apart from dealing with crashes in Calligra
[20:17] <xennex81> ANYONE lol ? :)
[20:38] <KDDA> xennex81: no idea what you are talking about!
[20:39] <xennex81> ovidiu asked on the mailing list to come up with (it was a poll) the five parts to the header bar we'd want on the new site
[20:39] <xennex81> or he'd want, you'd want
[20:39] <KDDA> oh right
[20:39] <xennex81> i submitted a reply there but it started me thinking
[20:39] <xennex81> why i chose those 5 and what it meant
[20:40] <xennex81> and i realized in the end that there is a deep structure to any message or product you want to sell
[20:40] <xennex81> and that there are 5 base categories of doing that stuff
[20:40] <xennex81> and that knowing those five instantly reveals which the 5 navigational elements (or parts to the website) should be more or less
[20:41] <xennex81> it just started out as an email but now it is an ODT document :p
[20:41] <xennex81> only "insanity lingers at the brink of such" and I need a break I think
[20:45] <xennex81> but those elements would be, to make it short: Overview, Features, Community, Involvement, and Foundation
[20:46] <xennex81> and the four calls to action on the front page should not be what it is now, but rather: Downloads, Feature Tour, Feedback, Installation/Setup.
[20:47] <xennex81> There is also an element missing on the front page, and it is a news section, or a news feed.
[20:47] <xennex81> Some elements are not rightly ordered, the introductory text has to be above the CtA
[20:47] <xennex81> and the news feed should really be below that, not all that important perhaps but still
[20:48] <xennex81> There should really not be a dedicated News section, or it should be a sixth element, but not one of the five
[20:48] <xennex81> Those are my results in short
[20:48] <ovidiu-florin> xennex81: you lost me.....
[20:48] <xennex81> where?
[20:49] <ovidiu-florin> about an hour ago
[20:49] <xennex81> haah it is so hard to write this also in a decriptive way
[20:49] <xennex81> ...
[20:49] <xennex81> :(
[20:49] <ovidiu-florin> maybe I'm just too tired
[20:49] <xennex81> yeah me too
[20:49] <soee> ovidiu-florin: do you plan any changes on forntpage and teh banner ?
[20:49] <xennex81> and it is a bit complex for now.....
[20:49] <xennex81> but the last things I said were understandable right
[20:50] <xennex81> the document I write seeks to reveal it more understandibly, but it is hard for me
[20:50] <ovidiu-florin> and I've been working on this task for far to long
[20:50] <xennex81> hah, me too today
[20:50] <xennex81> but can i try to explain in short?
[20:50] <xennex81> i guess i need the full document for that, but still, i have till the 15th i guess
[20:51] <xennex81> i am just proposing a few changes and the document is only to make it ... erm... to explain why
[20:51] <ovidiu-florin> soee: if someone has any ideas on how to improve it, most likely
[20:51] <ovidiu-florin> xennex81: may I ask you what's your real name?
[20:51] <ovidiu-florin> so I know If I seet it somewhere
[20:51] <xennex81> Bart Schouten
[20:52] <xennex81> I was and am list@xenhideout on the mailing list
[20:52] <xennex81> if I have to mention that....
[20:52] <ovidiu-florin> xennex81: so you''re the one with the novel feedback
[20:52] <xennex81> erm
[20:53] <xennex81> you mean the lengthy feedback? :P :(
[20:53] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[20:53] <xennex81> it could  be me :p .....
[20:53] <ovidiu-florin> it's very hard to go through it
[20:53] <xennex81> i'm trying to condense you know
[20:53] <xennex81> that's because I don't spend enough time on it
[20:53] <xennex81> I know
[20:53] <ovidiu-florin> you should be more specific and to the point
[20:53] <xennex81> usually if I rewrite it a few times it shrinks to 20%
[20:54] <ovidiu-florin> e.g.: do this ... because .... done
[20:54] <xennex81> i'm doing everything I can, but it takes time for me at current
[20:54] <KDDA> LOL
[20:54] <xennex81> so this time instead of rushing a message out I'm just doing what I can to condense it first :P
[20:55] <xennex81> let's say I am thinkign aloud
[20:55] <xennex81> and that is why it is long
[20:55] <xennex81> because I have no one else to talk to and thinkign to myself is hard here also
[20:55] <xennex81> I'm kinda locked up somehwere
[20:55] <xennex81> but need to call a girl, brb
[20:56] <ovidiu-florin> when ever I'm undecided on something, I talk with someone, usually my wife, a she understands me best
[20:56] <ovidiu-florin> next, if it's Kubuntu related I give Riddell a ring
[20:56] <xennex81> yeah and I'm so envious of having someone normal to talk to
[20:56] <ovidiu-florin> and then write a message to the community
[20:56] <xennex81> I'm surrounded by... people I do not want to relate to
[20:57] <ovidiu-florin> that's why we're here
[20:57] <ovidiu-florin> but, xennex81, IMO, the brainstorming place is here (IRC) and archive and decision making is on the mail list
[20:58] <ovidiu-florin> if you send your brainstorming on the mail list, poeple will tend to ignore you
[20:58] <ovidiu-florin> if you need, we can organize a mumble room
[20:58] <ovidiu-florin> and talk, instead of typing
[21:00] <ovidiu-florin> xennex81: P.S. Mention someone if you want to draw their attention on IRC
[21:00] <ovidiu-florin> use tab to autocomplete their nick
[21:00] <ovidiu-florin> this will help you find them easy
[21:03] <xennex81> oh, that is good information
[21:03] <xennex81> I know they ignore me, I would ignore myself, and I usually do
[21:03] <xennex81> which is why I am in so much trouble.
[21:03] <ovidiu-florin> I'm off to bed
[21:03]  * ovidiu-florin Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......
[21:03] <xennex81> @ ovidiu-florin ;-)
[21:04] <xennex81> oh, that was a name-change :P
[21:04] <xennex81> he beat me to it