| grepper | I'm new to launchpad and bzr. I did a 'bzr branch ubuntu:tovid'. I aim to bring it up to date at least locally as it is not very current. I deleted some files with 'bzr remove' and finally did a 'bzr commit -m "blah blah". What happens if I push? Am I pushing to my launchpad project space or am I actually creating a branch on the official package repo? (ubunutu:tovid) | 04:42 |
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| wgrant | grepper: 'bzr push' will probably tell you it doesn't know where to push to. | 04:50 |
| wgrant | Launchpad's model is rather different from sites like GitHub, though. | 04:50 |
| wgrant | On GitHub everyone has their own fork, which is effectively their own project, and you propose merges between them. | 04:51 |
| grepper | wgrant: so what have I actually done at this point ? | 04:51 |
| grepper | when I do a bzr log I can see my branch along with the others already, which is a bit disturbing :P | 04:52 |
| wgrant | But in Launchpad all the contributors can use the same project, just with their own branches. eg. if you look at https://code.launchpad.net/maas, you'll see the project's core developers and other open source contributors all listed together. | 04:52 |
| wgrant | What do you mean? | 04:52 |
| wgrant | bzr log doesn't list branches. It lists the revisions in your branch. | 04:52 |
| grepper | bzr log -n0 is what I did | 04:53 |
| wgrant | Have you read through the first few pages of https://help.launchpad.net/Code? | 04:53 |
| wgrant | Ah | 04:53 |
| wgrant | That still just lists the revisions in your branch. -n0 just asks it to show merged revisions too. | 04:53 |
| wgrant | Do you have experience with other DVCSes? | 04:53 |
| grepper | mainly svn (cvs before that). I just moved the project to GIthub so have had to learn git this last week. So I am thoroughly muddled. | 04:54 |
| grepper | so my revisions will show up for others already, even though I haven't pushed anything ? | 04:55 |
| wgrant | The "Distributed" in "Distributed Version Control System" is the important bit. | 04:55 |
| wgrant | All your commits are totally local until you push them. | 04:56 |
| grepper | great, that was what I was expecting from working with git | 04:56 |
| grepper | can I push to my own account on launchpad ? | 04:56 |
| wgrant | Launchpad branches have an owner and a target, two separate attributes. Anyone can push a branch up targeting Ubuntu's tovid package, as long as they push it to a branch owned by themselves or one of their teams. | 04:59 |
| wgrant | The form of a package branch URL is lp:~USER/DISTRIBUTION/SERIES/PACKAGE/BRANCH. So in your case you'll want 'bzr push lp:~your-launchpad-username/ubuntu/vivid/tovid/short-description-of-your-branch' | 05:00 |
| grepper | wgrant: okay, I'll give it a whirl, thanks | 05:01 |
| grepper | none of that is different than what I expected btw, I was just concerned I should check it out as I am new to this. | 05:01 |
| grepper | the actualy upstream project is mine, just wanted to contribute | 05:02 |
| grepper | actual* | 05:02 |
| cjwatson | The other thing to note is that most of the ubuntu:* branches (really lp:ubuntu/*) are auto-imported by a system that's kind of bitrotted. We hope to replace it soon with something git-based, but that isn't ready yet. In the meantime you will find that a number of those branches are broken or outdated; it's entirely reasonable to fall back to old-school and manipulate source packages directly, sending patches around and such. ... | 05:03 |
| cjwatson | ... pull-lp-source in the ubuntu-dev-tools package can help. | 05:03 |
| grepper | hm, just I guess I should be targeting vivid at this point, I was thinking maybe I'd do a ppa for the 14.04 LTS | 05:05 |
| grepper | okay | 05:05 |
| cjwatson | lp:ubuntu/tovid seems to be up to date with the last version from before it was removed from Ubuntu, but you won't necessarily find that for other packages. | 05:05 |
| grepper | its the only package I'm concerned with | 05:05 |
| cjwatson | If you want to revive the maintenance of that package, it'll need to be in the development release, although of course you're welcome to maintain a PPA. | 05:05 |
| cjwatson | (for that or for older releases) | 05:05 |
| grepper | my account right now is a ppa account, or I think that is what I registered for | 05:06 |
| cjwatson | Any Launchpad account can have PPAs. | 05:06 |
| grepper | do I need something else to push to a branch as you indicated? | 05:06 |
| grepper | ah, okay | 05:06 |
| cjwatson | Any Launchpad account can also have its own branches. | 05:06 |
| cjwatson | (when I say "if you want to revive the maintenance of that package", I mean in Ubuntu itself, which is the approach with greatest benefit although it also involves more up-front work, so you may well not want to start there right at first) | 05:08 |
| grepper | yeah, I don't see myself as a maintainer of a ubuntu package, I'm the sole maintainer, developer etc of the tovid project as it is. | 05:08 |
| grepper | just wanted to contribute. It was removed because of incompatibiities that have been resolved (libav etc). | 05:09 |
| cjwatson | Fair enough. You might well find somebody willing to pick it up now that it's on libav and such (thanks!). | 05:09 |
| grepper | I did post on the bug reports, but dunno if the old maintainer is still reading it or interested. | 05:09 |
| cjwatson | Maia Kozheva packaged it originally and was dealing with it for some time, but they aren't subscribed to the bug and I don't recall whether they're still around. | 05:11 |
| cjwatson | Err, apparently I mean Maia Everett now. Still at least a bit active on LP. | 05:12 |
| grepper | okay | 05:12 |
| grepper | at least I have it it working locally, creating a 0.35.0 deb and so on, so I may as well do a ppa | 05:14 |
| grepper | is there any kind of review process for ppa's ? | 05:14 |
| cjwatson | No. | 05:15 |
| grepper | okay, thanks for your help ! | 05:17 |
| grepper | I may be back tomorrow with questions ... | 05:18 |
| grepper | cjwatson: okay I did "bzr push lp:~grepper/ubuntu/trusty/tovid/tovid-0.35.0_branch" , does that look okay ? | 05:33 |
| grepper | how do I see it on a web interface, I don't see anything on my user login page | 05:34 |
| grepper | ah, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~grepper/ubuntu/trusty/tovid/tovid-0.35.0_branch/changes | 05:42 |
| * grepper does a zombie walk off to bed | 05:44 | |
| cjwatson | grepper: Sure, or https://code.launchpad.net/~grepper/ubuntu/trusty/tovid/tovid-0.35.0_branch | 08:47 |
| wgrant | /b 5 | 11:39 |
| grepper | How do I reupload to my ppa? My first ppa upload sucessfully built, but I noticed a little while ago that libsox-fmt-all doesn't provide the 'sox' binary anymore, so needed to change this one depends to 'sox'. I tried a bzr bd -S and the tried to upload with dput, but received an upload failed message. I followed this guide to the error: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors, rebuilt with debuild -S and tried to | 22:10 |
| grepper | upload again. Same error. | 22:10 |
| sarnold | did you get a specific error message from an upload tool or via email? | 22:13 |
| mapreri | I somehow guess you did not change the version | 22:13 |
| grepper | yes, that is what I just realized | 22:14 |
| grepper | seems a bit harsh to have to change the version when I just uploaded the first, but I can understand the reasoning | 22:14 |
| grepper | sarnold: yes, it was an email | 22:14 |
| grepper | thanks for confirming mapreri | 22:14 |
| mapreri | grepper: the reasoning is: "republishing the same version is just evil" | 22:16 |
| grepper | heh | 22:16 |
| grepper | no one has seen my 1st upload but God and the launchpad hardware/software :) | 22:17 |
| grepper | hm, so 0.35.0-0ubuntu0 --> 0.35.0-0ubuntu1 , or 0.35.0-1ubuntu0 ... or ..? | 22:19 |
| * grepper googles Ubuntu versioning | 22:20 | |
| mapreri | you also might want to use some other suffix, like ~ppaN or +ppaN, it depends. you can use whatever versioning you want, i guess quite nobody will care | 22:20 |
| sarnold | or 0~grepper0 if you're making speculative builds.. | 22:20 |
| grepper | looks like ubuntu0 stays as there is no debian package version, so 0.35.0-0ubuntu1 is good enough. I may add another suffix though | 22:22 |
| grepper | er, sorry, 0ubuntu means no debian package is what I meant | 22:23 |
| mapreri | means there isn't such a package in the debian archive | 22:24 |
| wgrant | grepper: The rule is that if you change the package, you must change the version. | 22:27 |
| wgrant | Which doesn't seem like a particularly unreasoanble restriction. | 22:27 |
| grepper | wgrant: yes, I have gathered that :) | 22:27 |
| grepper | damn, shouldn't run debuild in a bzr dir, it deletes the .pc/ directory | 22:28 |
| grepper | Upload went fine, thanks. Sorry for the noise, realized the obvious answer after I asked. | 22:42 |
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