[06:29] <knightwise> morning everyone
[07:27] <diplo> Morning all
[07:32] <knightwise> hey diplo
[08:43] <awilkins>  German Basketball team relegated to lower league by Windows Updates : https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=15/04/07/2051229
[08:44] <awilkins> I see a market for RasPi powered basketball scoreboards emerging in Germany
[08:46] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: Indeed. A salient lesson in why "Autocratic Updates" should be disabled on production systems, and that laptop was a production system.
[08:46] <TwistedLucidity> We lost access to source control for 2 days becuase of an auto-update to ActiveDirectory.
[08:46]  * TwistedLucidity was not a happy camper
[09:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Cherish An Antique Day! :-D
[09:22] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:28] <popey> oooh http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/04/09/holborn_fire_outage_could_have_covered_200m_jewelry_heist_says_excopper/
[09:50] <Lemongrab-> hi. using nvidia-settings, i set the preferred res, save to xorg.conf, verify that the config file has been written, reboot, and the changes do not take effect. anyone know anything that might help?
[09:51] <Lemongrab-> so to clarify, any customised settings revert on restart
[09:56] <Lemongrab-> here's the xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/iupYhprU - does it look ok to you? all i want is to set res to 1360x768
[10:05] <directhex> these settings are unacceptable!
[10:05] <directhex> sorry
[10:05] <directhex> ehm... would need to see xorg.0.log to make any determination
[10:06] <directhex> depending on the age of the TV, samsung may have only provided 1024x768 in the data stream about valid video modes (EDID) which is what the driver is trying to match against
[10:06] <diplo> Anyone here self employed, just had a customer ask about using any other accountancy software apart from Sage? Asked me for recommendations, I have no idea... his accountant has recommended some 'cloud' based ones
[10:08] <Lemongrab-> directhex, the res sets fine, it just doesn't save any settings changes
[10:09] <Lemongrab-> directhex, http://pastebin.com/c1ng0hr5
[10:12] <directhex> Lemongrab-: and you've manually set the res after about 4 minutes, because it was wrong?
[10:12] <Lemongrab->  directhex, within a few mins yeah
[10:13] <Lemongrab-> weird right?
[10:14] <directhex> i can see that, on line 367
[10:14] <directhex> i can see the res being set wrong on line 355
[10:15] <Lemongrab-> yup
[10:15] <directhex> but
[10:16] <directhex> it should be set right on line 130
[10:16] <Lemongrab-> what's NVIDIA(0) anyway?
[10:17] <directhex> those lines are logged by the nvidia driver itself
[10:17] <Lemongrab-> yeah NVIDIA(0) seems to change it again on 355 right?
[10:17] <Lemongrab-> so some other process must be changing it
[10:19] <directhex> you're connected via a VGA connector, or a DVI-VGA dongle?
[10:20] <Lemongrab-> dvi -> hdmi
[10:20] <Lemongrab-> if i could disable nvidia-auto-select it might help
[10:20] <directhex> er wait, what?
[10:21] <Lemongrab-> nvidia-auto-select is what appears to be overriding my settings at line 355
[10:21] <directhex> that's the fallback
[10:21] <Lemongrab-> even though it's not specified in the xorg.conf
[10:21] <directhex> Option         "nvidiaXineramaInfoOrder" "CRT-0"
[10:22] <directhex> CRT-0 is the VGA connector
[10:22] <Lemongrab-> ok...
[10:23] <directhex> delete that line, and change the metamode line to DPY-0:1360x768+0+0
[10:24] <Lemongrab-> Option         "metamodes" "DPY-0:1360x768+0+0" <-- like that?
[10:25] <directhex> yeah
[10:27] <Lemongrab-> ok, rebooting, brb :)
[10:29] <Lemongrab-> directhex, nope :(
[10:29] <directhex> odd. can i see the new log?
[10:29] <Lemongrab-> sure
[10:30] <Lemongrab-> directhex, http://pastebin.com/5xcbvGut
[10:32] <directhex> try DVI-I-0: instead of DPY-0: ?
[10:32] <Lemongrab-> ok trying
[10:34] <Lemongrab-> nope
[10:34] <directhex> ._.
[10:35] <Lemongrab-> http://pastebin.com/dWD6YTcJ
[10:37] <Lemongrab-> i've tried reinstalling nvidia drivers, although this is a spanking new install
[10:38] <Lemongrab-> had no problems with this before the reinstall though
[10:38] <Lemongrab-> i guess i could try alternate nvidia drivers?
[10:38]  * davmor2 wraps JamesTait in bubble wrap
[10:40] <davmor2> JamesTait: Although I should probably wrap popey and MooDoo in bubble wrap as they are older even than me ;)
[10:41] <directhex> Lemongrab-: i don't see anything in the logs that tells me what's going wrong. sorry
[10:41] <Lemongrab-> :(
[10:41] <Lemongrab-> thanks for trying
[10:43] <popey> directhex: is there some way my son can play steam games that I've bought but not on my ID?
[10:43] <directhex> popey: yes.
[10:43] <popey> i.e. can I do some kind of "family" mode where his and my accounts are linked?
[10:44] <popey> ooh!
[10:44] <popey> how?
[10:44] <directhex> ok NOW you['re asking.
[10:44] <Lemongrab-> don't suppose anyone else has any idea? using nvidia-settings, i set the preferred res, save to xorg.conf, verify that the config file has been written, reboot, and the res is set to max available instead of my choice. xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/QmzxRBT9 Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/dWD6YTcJ
[10:44] <directhex> popey: Steam, Settings, Family, Family Library Sharing
[10:44] <popey> ahhh!
[10:44] <popey> gets complicated when he has his own account on the pc
[10:45] <directhex> popey: basically, YOU log in on HIS computer to say "i am fine sharing on this computer"
[10:45] <directhex> by clicking "authorize this computer"
[10:45] <popey> right
[10:45] <popey> problem is it's one computer
[10:45] <popey> dont want to download all the games twice
[10:45] <directhex> that's fine too
[10:46] <directhex> hm
[10:46] <directhex> he has his own unix account?
[10:46] <popey> yes
[10:46] <popey> but I can put the games on a shared storage
[10:46] <directhex> ok. create a new steam library, via Settings/Downloads/Steam Library Folders
[10:47] <directhex> and give that folder a+rw
[10:48] <popey> win.
[10:48] <popey> thanks
[10:49] <davmor2> directhex: you know way too much about steam :)  nice advice though
[10:50] <Lemongrab-> directhex, it seems lightdm might be screwing with things
[10:50] <directhex> Lemongrab-: aha. amazing.
[10:51] <directhex> davmor2: http://apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/miscellaneous-junk/cedegahtml.png
[10:53] <directhex> yes, i had anime wallpapers, when i was 20. cringe, etc
[10:55] <zmoylan-pi> i downloaded 1-2 pics of star trek enterprise to use as wallpapers back in days of bbses but never used them
[10:56] <directhex> i'm a much more mature man than i was aged 20. no more wallpapers of random anime girls.
[10:56] <directhex> now it's Adventure Time!
[10:56] <awilkins> Only very specific anime girls will do
[10:56] <knightwise> directhex: good to see things are improving
[10:57] <directhex> 2004 wallpaper: http://apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/desktop-screenshots/desktop-2004-11-23.png
[10:57] <directhex> 2015 wallpaper: http://www.cartoonnetwork.co.uk/sites/www.cartoonnetwork.co.uk/files/Henchman.jpg
[10:57] <directhex> i think it's better now.
[11:01] <davmor2> directhex: :)  nice
[11:02] <directhex> house currently has an adventure time naming scheme for computers, and CN have those nice episode title cards available at 1680x1050
[11:03] <directhex> although my desktop is deliberately not adventure time. it's a legacy computer i want gone
[11:08] <directhex> old desktop has http://gorillaz.com/images/xmas/xmas-22nd.gger4.jpg
[11:08] <directhex> which is basically hip-hop, and not remotely weeaboo
[11:13] <ali1234> did somebody say weeaboo?
[11:49] <daftykins> wow, inadyn is a horrible client to configure - for afraid.org
[11:49] <daftykins> (dynamic DNS)
[11:52] <diplo> ddclient not work for you daftykins ?
[11:53] <daftykins> not familiar with that one
[11:53] <daftykins> < Auctus> lol GTA5 PC is 7 DVDs <-- lol
[11:54] <diplo> That's the only one I knew of daftykins :)
[11:54] <popey> people buy games on DVD?
[11:54]  * popey clicks the "PRE-LOAD" button for GTA5 in steam
[11:54] <popey> "Disk space required: 62064 MB"
[11:55] <awilkins> Wowzer
[11:55] <zmoylan-pi> of course i buy games on dvd.  will this movie dvd rip easy or is it going to take a few passes with different software?
[11:56] <zmoylan-pi> 62gb? for a game? a downloadable (eventually) game
[11:56] <daftykins> yep such is the way today, before DLC ;)
[11:56] <zmoylan-pi> wait for the patches...
[11:56] <daftykins> i've already 3/4 filled my xbox one's paltry 500GB HDD
[11:57] <daftykins> nah the console generation have been used for patch exercise :D
[11:58] <popey> http://www.tesco.com/direct/husky-stella-artois-beer-fridge/100-3809.prd?sc_cmp=tp4_aff_1018132
[11:58] <popey> bargain
[11:59] <daftykins> the guy i quoted is in New Zealand with really bad data caps btw, so Steam download isn't an option
[11:59] <awilkins> "Beer sold separately"
[11:59] <awilkins> Yet another case of an appliance costing less than it's liquid consumables
[12:00] <popey> they're usually over 100 quid
[12:15]  * awilkins pastes link to hackspace
[13:02] <diddledan> morning
[13:04]  * zmoylan-pi taps diddledan to see if his internal clock has stopped...
[13:04] <diddledan> morning
[13:04] <daftykins> heya
[13:04]  * awilkins checks timezone config on diddlebot
[13:05] <daftykins> diddledan: you ought to convert to standard living hours, it's getting warm outside! :D
[13:05] <diddledan> teehee
[13:05] <diddledan> but. sunlight is bad for my complexion
[13:07] <daftykins> you sir, have been misled
[13:07] <popey> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/922345933/codebug looks like a fun thing
[13:09] <diddledan> it looks like the bbc micro bit
[13:09] <diplo> Looks like I'm up in Nottingham next week :/
[13:10] <diddledan> I might back it tho
[13:10] <diddledan> specifically because they're gonna make the desin creative-commons
[13:13] <zmoylan-pi> that is more interesting to me than a smart watch.  small, cheap, and you could technically use the leds as a display
[13:13] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: make it into a smart watch :-p
[13:13] <zmoylan-pi> exactly.  bulky but probably a better battery life than an apple watch :-)
[13:15] <davmor2> diplo: I think MooDoo is up that way
[13:18] <awilkins> It is totally completely a rip-off of the BBC micro bit though
[13:18] <awilkins> Same board layout, same 5x5 LED array
[13:18] <zmoylan-pi> is the bbc micro bit going to be for sale to the public?
[13:19] <awilkins> Different components
[13:19] <awilkins> No, the BBCMB is only being issued to schoolchildren
[13:19] <zmoylan-pi> then it's not really affecting the bbcmb
[13:19] <awilkins> Which seems ludicrously silly, but there you go - why not benefit from the economies of scale  AND make a small profit from licensing the thing...
[13:20] <zmoylan-pi> and the hacker community of adults will make a zillion great projects that might encourage kids
[13:20] <awilkins> I'd lay small odds that the Kickstarter has been created by the guys they commissioned to make the BBC one
[13:20] <zmoylan-pi> instead of a dull school led curriculum
[13:20] <awilkins> Probably
[13:20] <awilkins> I'm all for it - my license fee paid for it, the public should benefit!
[13:30] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[13:30] <diddledan> tesco blinkbox are being awesome giving me at least one 25% or 50% discount every month since I signed up
[13:32] <diddledan> and googley play-doh just emailed me letting me know that startwarts is available for preorder (the entire saga)
[13:32] <diddledan> £59 for the lot
[13:33] <diddledan> released tomorrow it seems
[13:33] <awilkins> That's not Star Wars. That's just a bunch of movies that resemble Star Wars
[13:33] <diddledan> awilkins: are you upset that they redid the effects?
[13:34] <awilkins> diddledan, Don't mind the effects (except where the make mistakes like making Luke's lightsabre pink in some editions)
[13:34] <awilkins> diddledan, I do mind things like the Han Shoots First scene
[13:34] <diddledan> aah yes
[13:34] <awilkins> And the scene where Han walks behind Jabba
[13:35] <diddledan> han shoots first was a stinker
[13:35] <awilkins> The notion that you could disrespect a local crime lord by walking on his tail and live is nutsen, to coin a phrase
[13:35] <bigcalm> I have a hosted server running Ubuntu 12.04. For reasons, I have edited /etc/apache2/ports.conf to use 8080 and 1443 instead of 80 and 443. On the localhost, I am able to telnet to ports 8080 and 1433 and get the expected Aapche response. Connecting from a machine on the same subnet using the private IP address causes the connections to timeout. Connections also timeout when using the public ip address over the internet. Is there an
[13:35] <bigcalm> ything other than the hosting company's firewall that might be causing this timout?
[13:36] <awilkins> The Greedo scene really set the tone of Han's character for me - it's the scene I remember having the biggest emotional impact as a kid seeing it for the first time
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: but who shot first?
[13:36] <bigcalm> Han did
[13:36] <knightwi1e> so han is an A-hole ?
[13:36] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, That was the original release, on a stuttery VHS cassette in a school assembly hall :-)
[13:36] <bigcalm> He is an arse hole, that scene sets his character
[13:37] <awilkins> Exactly - tells you exactly what you need to know, that he doesn't pull his punches and can't be trusted
[13:37] <diddledan> it's that which lends to his character development into reluctant hero
[13:37] <bigcalm> When Han is lowered into the carbonite freezing chamber and Leia says "I love you", his response is "I know". Another dick move
[13:38] <awilkins> The recut scene just tells you that Jabba hires *really* incompetent bounty hunters with unfortunate nervous tics that lead them to shoot walls 5 feet away from their target.
[13:40] <awilkins> Suspect the reason George changed it was because his grandkids had a negative reaction to it. You're *supposed* to have a negative reaction to it, George. You're *supposed* to go "whoa, that guys is kinda nasty"
[13:40] <diplo> bigcalm: nmap'd the external IP address, see whats listening?
[13:40] <knightwi1e> I only watch the VHS versions
[13:40] <diplo> Sounds like firewall rules to me ?
[13:41] <zmoylan-pi> i hope you remember to rewind afterwards... even the avi ripped version of the vhs copy...
[13:41] <knightwi1e> LOL
[13:41] <diddledan> awilkins: how many recuts does it take to make a great movie into a piece of trash and then finally into a great movie again? (see: blade runner, which is on it's 4th? 5th? recut and hasn't made it back to great yet)
[13:42] <awilkins> diddledan, Not sure that continued recuts can ever get it back there... (the Blade Runner for me is the 1st Directors Edition without the voiceovers)
[13:42] <diddledan> yeah the first directors was the version I enjoyed the most
[13:42] <zmoylan-pi> aliens has 1-2 cuts, i like the version with the sentry guns
[13:43] <diddledan> you can't beat the music to blade runner tho
[13:43] <awilkins> Yup, sentryguns 4tw
[13:43] <zmoylan-pi> well vangelis... any movie his music is in is special
[13:43] <awilkins> And Vangelis is still a regular visitor to my playlist
[13:44] <diddledan> I think the tone of the blade runner movie exteriours with the music shows a really interesting view of "the potential future"
[13:45] <bigcalm> diplo: it's been passed back to the hosting company to look into
[13:45] <diddledan> and the fact it's always raining
[13:45] <knightwi1e> i think its one of the greatest soundtracks only
[13:45] <knightwi1e> and i love the atmosphere in that movie
[13:45] <awilkins> Wonder how horrible the sequel will be
[13:45] <diddledan> bigcalm: did you tell it to stop listening on non-localhost?
[13:46] <diddledan> bigcalm: you mentioned you tweaked the ports for localhost, so I assumed that meant you removed the ports for external
[13:46] <bigcalm> diddledan: I didn't change what it was listening on. The system was previously serving correctly on ports 80 and 443. I just changed them to be 8080 and 1433
[13:46] <diddledan> hmm
[13:46] <bigcalm> No, only localhost was able to connect to 8080 and 1433.
[14:17] <intrbiz> bigcalm: does the apache box have a local firewall, maybe try: ufw status ?
[14:18] <MartijnVdS> maybe it's only listening on 127.0.0.1 and.or ::1
[14:18] <intrbiz> netstat -nltp will show whats listening on what interfaces
[14:18] <bigcalm> root@GRU01HES01TEST:~# ufw status
[14:18] <bigcalm> Status: inactive
[14:19] <intrbiz> IIRC apache by default binds to all interfaces
[14:19] <bigcalm> That would explain why I couldn't find a setting binding it to an interface or ip address
[14:20] <bigcalm> root@GRU01HES01TEST:~# netstat -nltp | grep apache2
[14:20] <bigcalm> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:1443            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      2161/apache2
[14:20] <bigcalm> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:8080            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      2161/apache2
[14:20] <intrbiz> bigcalm: that listening on all interfaces
[14:20] <bigcalm> Indeed
[14:20] <intrbiz> bigcalm: probably hosting ACLs, did you say your seeing the issues server to server on same subnet?
[14:21] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: iptables -L INPUT
[14:21] <bigcalm> intrbiz: correct
[14:21] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: no rules returned
[14:23] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: telnet -b your.ip your.ip 1443
[14:23] <MartijnVdS> (yes that's your IP twice)
[14:23] <bigcalm> Which IP?
[14:24] <Myrtti> I do hate Paypal quite a bit
[14:25] <zmoylan-pi> has anyone ever expressed happiness towards paypal?
[14:27] <bigcalm> Anybody know how to get Ruby to play nicely in Ubuntu?
[14:27] <intrbiz> bigcalm: define play nicely?
[14:27] <bigcalm> Or rather install Jekyll
[14:28] <bigcalm> It's erroring on "execjs requires Ruby version >= 2.0.0."
[14:28] <bigcalm> Humm, ruby2.0 is available as a package on Ubuntu 14.04
[14:30] <intrbiz> bigcalm: are you installing jekyll via gem (or whatever it is)
[14:30] <bigcalm> Yes
[14:32] <bigcalm> Ha, there is a jekyll package in Ubuntu 14.04
[14:33]  * bigcalm goes with that
[14:33] <bigcalm> Jekyll 0.11.2 now installed
[14:37] <Lemongrab-> directhex, res working now, thanks again for the help
[14:38] <directhex> jekyll <2.0 is basically garbage
[14:38] <directhex> and installing newer in 14.04 is so painful
[14:38] <directhex> so totes painful
[14:39] <Lemongrab-> anyone know where i can see logs from openbox's autostart.sh? steam is loading fine but sixad --start isn't
[14:39] <Lemongrab-> even though sixad --start runs fine from terminal
[14:40] <Lemongrab-> oh wait, i just worked it out, sixad needs to be root, nevermind
[14:54] <bigcalm> Are there good alternatives to jekyll? Requirement is to build a static site from markdown files
[14:56] <Lemongrab-> anyone know if it's possible to switch desktop in openbox when certain fullscreen games wrest control of the screen until minimised?
[14:59] <Lemongrab-> i'm actually guessing this is to do with the card wresting the screen and probably isn't possible, but thought i'd ask
[15:03] <daftykins> between virtual desktops?
[15:04] <Lemongrab-> daftykins, yup
[15:05] <daftykins> doesn't seem likely, but i'm no desktop user
[15:06] <mappps> ;D
[15:06] <Lemongrab-> daftykins, you mean you don't even use a gui? :P
[15:06] <daftykins> i do not use desktop Linux
[15:06] <mappps> im a card collector! got like 12 bank/credit card accounts O_O
[15:06] <mappps> cant remember the pin on all of course
[15:07] <Lemongrab-> ah, for a second i thought you were some radical terminal purist :)
[15:07] <mappps> i like xfce;]
[15:09] <daftykins> nah i wouldn't make such silly statements!
[15:19] <mappps> gonna have marinated shark tonight
[15:19] <mappps> ;D
[15:20] <daftykins> O_O
[15:20] <daftykins> tasty
[15:21] <zmoylan-pi> comes with a free laser? :-)
[15:22] <mappps> ;D
[15:22] <mappps> well i wonder what its like
[15:22] <mappps> probably just like cod and a let down?:P
[15:22] <daftykins> do all basic BT broadband connections really intercept the web browsings of newly wired-network connected PCs 0o
[15:23] <daftykins> this friend just had to do some kind of hassle before browsing normally, very confusing
[15:26] <elfy> I never had to - but I've been with them a while, maybe the do you or do you not want pr0n thing?
[15:27] <daftykins> could well be
[15:28] <elfy> I did get asked that a while ago
[15:28] <daftykins> currently remoted into two PCs at a friends in England migrating their data to a new PC
[15:28] <daftykins> omw their existing is terrible, probably partly to do with Norton 360 O_O
[15:29] <elfy> heh
[15:29] <daftykins> also - why do people believe their online banking when it says to install Rapport? it's terrible!
[15:30] <daftykins> hmm a good 6Mb down, not bad for a rural place
[15:31] <zmoylan-pi> how 'rural' is rural?
[15:31] <daftykins> best i know about where she is is 'somewhere near Worcester'
[15:31] <daftykins> so your guess is better than mine ;D
[15:31] <elfy> not very I'd guess at 6Mb :)
[15:31] <intrbiz> I get about 7Mb, in a rural area
[15:32] <intrbiz> by rural, I mean 6 miles out of Wolverhampton centre
[15:32] <zmoylan-pi> my brothers place is in the barren wastelands of wexford and most times i'm there i can't even see a 3g signal during the day
[15:32] <intrbiz> I get no 3G on any network
[15:32] <daftykins> i'm in a granite place in the town centre, i use 2G by choice :D
[15:32] <zmoylan-pi> but at night the 3g appears as conditions improve
[15:33] <daftykins> such are the ways of QAM
[15:33] <intrbiz> well I get one bar on three, standing on one leg by one particular window
[15:33] <daftykins> intrbiz: :D
[15:33] <zmoylan-pi> so i told him to ring phone company once a month and ask for broadband.  took about 18 months till adsl was installed in his local exchange :-)
[15:34] <elfy> when I lived in Fordingbridge - signal only when bouncing on a bed and then only half the time
[15:34] <intrbiz> we were meant to have FTTC in december, then april, now june
[15:34] <zmoylan-pi> and on dialup he used to only get 28kbs as his line was on a dax unit with neighbours
[15:34] <intrbiz> I have seen BT vans with reels of cable, so something seems to be happening
[15:35] <elfy> they did here, I get 38Mb down now
[15:36] <daftykins> single pair split into two lines with some gadget, zmoylan-pi ?
[15:36] <zmoylan-pi> yup
[15:36] <daftykins> how horrid
[15:36] <zmoylan-pi> the irish phone companies only say that your dial up line will do voice and fax.  fax works in 19,200 iirc
[15:38] <diddledan> is there a tool like speedtest.net (or the cli prog that uses those servers) which will measure parallel downloads and uploads rather than single-connection?
[15:38] <zmoylan-pi> bittorrent? :-P
[15:39] <daftykins> why would you be doing that...
[15:39] <daftykins> eww it's a BT Home Hub 4
[15:39] <zmoylan-pi> is that the one that won't let you change dns server?
[15:40] <diddledan> because I want to show off that my connection is about 230Mbps down and 30Mbps up
[15:40] <zmoylan-pi> show off!
[15:40] <daftykins> aww i can't even look because the 'settings' page is locked by a password that's printed on the physical device
[15:40] <diddledan> (1*virgin 152Mbps/10Mbps + 1*sky 78Mbps/20Mbps :-p)
[15:41] <diddledan> daftykins: you need to change that password to something more memorablethen :-p
[15:41] <daftykins> it's a house in England! not mine :P
[15:42] <zmoylan-pi> send in the drone to read the password! \o/
[15:42]  * daftykins activates webcam
[15:42] <daftykins> ;D
[15:42] <zmoylan-pi> some sort of pi2 based skutter... :-)
[15:43] <diddledan> daftykins: remember covering the camera with your hand doesn't turn off the microphone (as bruce & his willis found out)
[15:43] <daftykins> i'm quite amused at a home shared PC being upgraded from a small form factor Acer i3 first gen to an HP with 8GB RAM and an i7 4790
[15:43] <diddledan> 8GB is so passé
[15:44] <diddledan> I want 32
[15:44] <zmoylan-pi> what you want is a sound proof jamjar with one of those christmas cards that plays 30 christmas carols feeding into the mic :-)
[15:44] <daftykins> that's what my 7 year old core 2 quad has \o/ lovely DDR2
[15:44] <awilkins> Work laptop has 16GB
[15:44] <diddledan> this thing only has 4 :-(
[15:45] <diddledan> but it's ultra-portable so it kinda makes up for that deficiency in other ways
[15:45] <daftykins> sounds dangerously like a piece of fruit of the 'Air' variety?
[15:45] <diddledan> close, surface pro3
[15:46] <daftykins> oh that
[15:46] <diddledan> I like it
[15:46] <daftykins> shame you have to go in through the screen to upgrade :<
[15:47] <diddledan> right. toilet break then settle down to watch the amazon aws global summit keynote
[15:47] <diddledan> https://live.awsevents.com for anyone interested
[15:49] <diddledan> oh, they'vepushed-it by 30 minutes, it's 1730 then
[16:58] <diddledan> so this live stream of aws global summit is evil laggy
[16:58] <diddledan> I donno whether it's me or them tho
[17:00] <elfy> laggy
[17:01] <diddledan> yeah, it seems the twitters are moaning about it
[17:02] <diddledan> one twatted "BaaS (Buffering as a service) on the AWS Summit live stream"
[17:06] <diddledan> it's completely dead now
[17:24] <diddledan> don't you love how amazon are boasting their supremacy at super-big things on a stream that doesn't work. at all.
[17:25] <zmoylan-pi> well the cloud... in this weather... :-)
[17:25]  * zmoylan-pi sends out for ice cream...
[17:26] <zmoylan-pi> ♫ just one cornetto... ♪
[17:27] <popey> ✓ Unicode
[17:28] <diddledan> the aws summits twitter says the stream is working. they're lying
[17:28] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: give it to me!
[17:28] <zmoylan-pi> on second thoughts they're 50p....
[17:28] <zmoylan-pi> at least they used to be
[17:34] <daftykins> be lucky to get change from a £5 note now :P
[17:34] <zmoylan-pi> in ireland? you'd be right there :-)
[17:35] <daftykins> ;)
[17:35] <daftykins> a Guernsey £5 note no less
[17:36] <zmoylan-pi> ah... funny money... :-)
[17:36] <daftykins> aww yes
[19:53] <davmor2> popey: I think I found my new most favourite place to eat in wolverhampton http://www.yelp.co.uk/biz_photos/greedy-pig-cafe-wolverhampton?select=thplx_sv7KQx6nhgbG3BKg#thplx_sv7KQx6nhgbG3BKg
[19:55] <popey> wowzers
[19:56] <davmor2> popey: you can feel your arteries harden looking at it right :D
[19:57] <davmor2> popey: the things you find on the nearby scope hey
[19:58] <popey> hah
[20:03] <diddledan> that looks like a great fryup
[20:04] <diddledan> I WANT IT!
[20:13] <diddledan> heh:http://www.instructables.com/id/Apple-II-Watch
[20:22] <m0nkey_> make it
[20:31] <StevenR> hmmm. what happened to the alternate cd? (I need to help my dad assemble a raid, mount his LVM and find all of the kernels because grub is in rescue mode and /boot appears to be entirely empty
[20:32] <StevenR> he's running 14.04 and updated today
[20:33] <popey> can you not use a live cd?
[20:34] <StevenR> I'd prefer to boot his working system
[20:34] <StevenR> because it'll run a VPN up and I can ssh to a vm
[20:35] <popey> why do you need the alternate cd?
[20:35] <StevenR> popey: because that was the way to do it
[20:36] <StevenR> can that be done from the normal server cd these days?
[20:36] <popey> yeah. you can.
[20:36] <popey> the server cd is a debian-installer based one
[20:37] <StevenR> ok. I'll get him to grab that. Thanks
[20:37] <popey> np
[20:41] <diddledan> me ungy
[20:42]  * diddledan wanders off to make a sammich
[21:26] <diddledan> lol @ news widget: "labour takes lead in some polls as milliband announces tax avoidance"
[21:30] <daftykins> RAID is so much saner when you keep boot out of it ;)
[21:36] <diddledan> you could plop raid onto a mirror rather than a stripe (if we're talking linux's mdraid)
[21:36] <diddledan> s/raid/boot/
[22:28] <StevenR> right. So something happened to /boot. It now mounts, but it's completely empty apart from lost and found
[22:28] <StevenR> How do I restore it?
[22:45] <diddledan> StevenR: it's a three-step process - first you need to get a kernel by reinstalling the appropriate package from apt, then you need to run grub-install and update-grub
[22:46] <StevenR> thanks. We need to fix apt first it seems (dad is sending me a photo)
[22:46] <diddledan> eww
[22:47] <StevenR> yeah. Something bad happened
[22:48] <StevenR> yay. Apt segfaults
[22:49] <StevenR> right. That's a problem for tomorrow