[04:20] <Kilos> morning all and sundry
[04:30] <barrydk> More almal
[04:35] <Kilos> hi barrydk  
[04:46] <Kilos> hi Tonberry  
[04:46] <Tonberry> hi
[06:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:12] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[06:31] <Kilos> hi SDCDev  
[06:45] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[06:45] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:46] <Kilos> jy het slap geword seun, ons wag nog vir jou gaming rubriek
[06:46] <mazal> Ek wag nog vir my verlof
[06:46] <Kilos> lol
[06:46] <Kilos> o ja
[06:46] <Kilos> hoe gaan dit?
[06:46] <mazal> Maar die eerste week is al klaar so propvol ai
[06:47] <Kilos> ai!
[06:47] <SDCDev> morning Kilos
[06:48] <SDCDev> ek's uiteindelik in Jeffriesbaai
[06:48] <Kilos> sjoe lekker man
[06:48] <SDCDev> :) nou moet ek net 'n huis kry :p
[06:48] <Kilos> ai!
[06:48] <SDCDev> gaan hierdie naweek begin soek vir 'n huis :)
[06:48] <Kilos> is hulle nie almal vol nie
[06:48] <SDCDev> nee :P
[06:48] <Kilos> mooi
[06:48] <SDCDev> daar is meer huise as mense hier
[06:48] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:49] <SDCDev> behalwe in December...
[06:49] <SDCDev> Desember
[06:49] <SDCDev> ?
[06:49] <SDCDev> :o
[06:49] <SDCDev> lol I can't remember how to spell December
[06:49] <Kilos> daai tyd ja
[06:49] <Kilos> lol speak english man
[06:49] <Kilos> i understand both you know
[06:50] <SDCDev> I know :P but I can't remember how to spell December in Afrikaans
[06:50] <SDCDev> :/
[06:50] <Kilos> with the s is right
[06:50] <SDCDev> guess I haven't really written or read afrikaans in the past 10 years
[06:50] <SDCDev> last/past 10 years
[06:50] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:51] <SDCDev> sjoe dis lank... maar ek kan nog goed afrikaans praad
[06:51] <Kilos> you need to settle down now we got lots of work
[06:51] <Kilos> praat
[06:51] <SDCDev> lol O_o o_O
[06:51] <SDCDev> ek's seeker dis praad? is dit praat?
[06:51] <SDCDev> O_O
[06:51] <Kilos> praat
[06:52] <SDCDev> whaat kind of work?
[06:52] <Kilos> wait i show you
[06:52] <SDCDev> kk :> 
[06:53] <Kilos> go see https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco
[06:53] <Kilos> wbb
[06:54] <SDCDev> yoooh
[06:54] <SDCDev> lots
[06:54] <SDCDev> to do
[06:54] <SDCDev> O_o
[06:55] <pieter2627> Morning all
[06:57] <Kilos> hi pieter2627  
[06:57] <Kilos> yip we becoming an active LoCo again
[06:58] <Kilos> and if you are clever enough you can join pieter2627  and octoquad  at tha bug squad
[06:59] <Kilos> hi Xethron  
[07:03] <Kilos> oh SDCDev  work for you now
[07:03] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[07:04] <Kilos> go add yourself
[07:04] <Kilos> pretty please
[07:05] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  you not added there yet either methinks
[07:05] <pieter2627> '..if you are clever enough...' - someone should have told me that i should be smart before joining :P
[07:05] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:06] <Kilos> to me you guys are all brilliant
[07:08] <pieter2627> thanks Kilos, you're quite good too at getting us to do everything
[07:10] <Kilos> well, i was given a sjambok and had to find a use for it
[07:10] <pieter2627> haha
[07:11] <Kilos> just need to keep whacking the pro so he greets in the morning
[07:11] <Kilos> some peeps is dikvellig jy weet
[07:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> might want to choose a different word there o_O
[07:12] <Kilos> um
[07:13] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:13] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  give me a word please
[07:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> prodding
[07:13] <Kilos> ok ty
[07:14] <Kilos> ya thats a good one
[07:14]  * Kilos prods inetpro
[07:15] <Kilos> he is always busy
[07:15] <Kilos> even when sleeping
[07:16] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac  
[07:20] <TinuvaMac> moring kil
[07:20] <TinuvaMac> Kilos*
[07:20] <Kilos> dont you use tab complete
[07:21] <Kilos> kil tab
[07:21] <TinuvaMac> did i press enter before i pressed tab
[07:21] <Kilos> lol
[07:21] <TinuvaMac> :P
[07:23] <Kilos> its become such habit here i often type morn and hit tab then gotta think first why its not complete
[07:41]  * Padroni waves
[07:41] <Kilos> hi Padroni  
[07:41] <Padroni> hi
[07:41] <Padroni> how are you?
[07:41] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[07:42] <Padroni> good ty
[07:42] <Kilos> hows the brewery going?
[07:42] <Padroni> haven't made a batch in a while
[07:43] <Padroni> need to get one going again
[07:43] <Padroni> gotta buy some ingredients first
[07:43] <Padroni> been so focussed on Python the last couple of days
[07:43] <Kilos> thats good news
[07:43] <Kilos> you  like?
[07:43] <Padroni> yeah I like it
[07:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> what sort of equipment costs are you looking at to get started?
[07:44]  * inetpro steps in for a sec
[07:44] <inetpro> good mornings everyone
[07:44] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos
[07:44] <inetpro> Kilos: sorry, I fell asleep last night, I guess I will have to do some catching up again, but now now
[07:44]  * inetpro wbbl
[07:44] <Padroni> to be honest
[07:44] <Padroni> the best way to get started is to buy a brewery kit
[07:45] <Kilos> np inetpro  
[07:45] <Padroni> Mangrove Jack's or Coppertone
[07:45] <Padroni> goes for about R1000 - R1400 depending on where you buy
[07:45] <Kilos> wow
[07:45] <Padroni> you will be making 'canned' beer in the beginning but you need to go through that to learn the process
[07:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok, and roughly how much does a batch cost you in raw material
[07:45] <Padroni> and also, the beer is actually good
[07:45] <Padroni> I buy my stuff at a health shop at our mall
[07:46] <Padroni> so probably more than usual
[07:46] <Padroni> but a can of premix and the sugars go for about R300 in total
[07:46] <Kilos> is beer healthy
[07:46] <Padroni> but
[07:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah i don't expect it to be cheaper than buying beer
[07:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> doing things yourself rarely is
[07:46] <Padroni> you make 23L which gives you on average 65 330ml bottles
[07:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> but its so lekker :)
[07:46] <Kilos> lol
[07:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's actually pretty economical
[07:47] <Padroni> which does actually work out cheaper than buying the equivalent in SAB beer
[07:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[07:47] <Padroni> I know, right?
[07:47] <Padroni> if you buy the kit, you get the first batch of beer mix with it
[07:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> and your only other input is time, nothing electrical
[07:47] <Padroni> nothing
[07:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> nice
[07:47] <Padroni> water, premix
[07:48] <Padroni> I will tell you this though, Graeme
[07:48] <Padroni> you get these little fermenting sugar pills in the kit
[07:48] <Padroni> throw that away
[07:48] <Padroni> it's crap
[07:48] <Padroni> and it makes the beer taste crap - I know coz I tested one or two bottles with that
[07:48] <Padroni> you get Fermentation Sugar for R20/pack which is enough for 23L batch
[07:48] <Padroni> mix that in 15 min before you bottle 
[07:49] <Padroni> then you are good to go
[07:49] <Padroni> beer stands 7 days @ room temp, and 7 days in fridge
[07:49] <Padroni> then you can start to drink
[07:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's pretty cool
[07:49] <Padroni> I bought bottles from Consol.  Cost me R72/case
[07:50] <Padroni> then I got clever
[07:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> how long does it last once done? I assume you store it in the fridge? or is that not necessary?>
[07:50] <Kilos> depends on how fast you can drink i would think
[07:50] <Padroni> I buy returnable beer per case from the liquor store.  Costs me R160/case but once they are empty, you got a case of bottles with it's own crate
[07:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> I don't drink an awful lot of beer, hence the question
[07:50] <Padroni> it's craft beer
[07:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> much too carb-heavy to be going crazy
[07:50] <Padroni> it's not pasteurized
[07:51] <Padroni> so you gotta keep it in the fridge
[07:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah
[07:51] <Padroni> I have a bar-fridge just for my beer
[07:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> so another R1000 for a mini fridge
[07:51] <Padroni> well, yes
[07:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, the wife will be unimpressed if I fill the fridge with beer that i hardly ever drink :D
[07:51] <Padroni> but your beer kit pays for itself in as little as 4 batches in terms of what you save buying the equivalent in beer
[07:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> depends how long it lasts though, i don't drink all that much beer
[07:52] <Padroni> If you drink a lot of beer, it is well worth making your own
[07:52] <Padroni> well it gets better with time
[07:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> maybe I should look into distilling my own brandy instead
[07:52] <Padroni> not sure about brandy
[07:52] <Padroni> beer you can brew for own consumption without issues
[07:53] <Padroni> but with brandy you may need to get some type of liquor license
[07:53] <Padroni> just check
[07:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Homemade-Brandy
[07:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> way too much work, lol
[07:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'll stick to making my own biltong and getting the booze at tops :D
[07:54] <Padroni> I had a biltong maker
[07:54] <SDCDev> Kilos: I will fill in the membership at a later stage :> Can I use a fake name? :O the whole thing about the shadow project is privacy :P
[07:54] <SDCDev> http://aboutshadow.com
[07:54] <Padroni> Cats ripped it apart trying to get to the meat
[07:55] <SDCDev> lol
[07:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> eish :-o
[07:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> my biggest hassle is the kids keep asking 20 times a day if the biltong is ready yet
[07:56] <Padroni> haha
[07:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> sadly not got a cat anymore
[07:56] <Padroni> been there
[07:57] <Kilos> SDCDev  i suppose so
[07:58] <SDCDev> :O or I will use my other nick :)
[07:58] <SDCDev> nomster
[07:58] <Kilos> same as padroni
[07:58] <Padroni> eh - what now?
[07:59] <Kilos> can you use your name with nomster
[08:00] <Kilos> Padroni  i think beer could be classed as healthy
[08:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[08:00] <Kilos> it stops your tummy from shrinking
[08:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> well there are so many sets of rules for what is "healthy" you can twist anything to be considered healthy
[08:01] <Kilos> lol
[08:01] <Padroni> indeed
[08:02] <Padroni> ThatGraemeGuy:  check ur pvt
[08:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> thanks, i found it via the magic of google ;-)
[08:04] <Padroni> yw
[08:04] <Padroni> it's a nice hobby to get into
[08:25] <Kilos> hi drussell  
[09:39] <Kilos> hi Private_User  
[09:50] <nuvolari> anyone using S3Fox?
[09:50] <nuvolari> S3 Browser plugin
[09:51] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:51] <Kilos> good morning nuvolari  
[10:53] <nuvolari> oh hi oom Kilos :)
[10:53] <nuvolari> gaan dit goed oom?
[10:54] <Kilos> goed dankie en self seun
[11:08] <Kilos> wb pieter2627  
[11:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://i.imgur.com/lLo84rw.png
[11:54] <Kilos> hahaha what are you doing ThatGraemeGuy  
[11:55] <Kilos> looks pretty though
[11:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> discovered a glitch in the matrix
[11:55] <Kilos> ah
[11:55] <Kilos> glitches dont affect trees?
[11:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> i suspect the tree spawned there because there happened to be a dirt block in that mess
[11:59] <Kilos> ah
[12:00] <Kilos> is there some trick in running a .jar file
[12:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> java -jar file.jar
[12:00] <Kilos> ty
[12:02] <Kilos> ai!
[12:02] <Kilos> Error: Unable to access jarfile JsigGen.jar
[12:02] <Kilos> i tried sudo as well
[12:03] <Kilos> maybe it doesnt work on 14.04 anymore
[12:04] <Kilos> this is what im trying to run
[12:04] <Kilos> http://www.arachnoid.com/JSigGen/index.html
[12:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> does the file actually exist?
[12:05] <Kilos> ya i have the package in downloads
[12:06] <Kilos> i took Here is the Java JAR archive, what to Java is an application file, compatible with most platforms. near the bottom
[12:07] <Kilos> had it running in 10.10 but thats a lifetime ago
[12:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> works for me
[12:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> maybe your download didn't complete properly
[12:08] <Kilos> oh my
[12:08] <pieter2627> Kilos: output of 'ls -l JsigGen.jar'
[12:09] <Kilos> ls: cannot access JsigGen.jar: No such file or directory
[12:09] <Kilos> i wonder if its permissions or something
[12:10] <pieter2627> Are you in the downloads folder - output of pwd
[12:10] <Kilos>  /home/miles
[12:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, either you're in the wrong dir or there's something wrong with that file
[12:11] <Kilos> must i cd to /downloads
[12:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> o_O
[12:11]  * ThatGraemeGuy runs off
[12:11] <pieter2627> do a 'cd Downloads' first or 'java -jar Downloads/JSigGen.jar'
[12:12] <Kilos> bash: cd: Downloads first or java: No such file or directory
[12:12] <Kilos> haha
[12:12] <Kilos> wait
[12:12] <pieter2627> haha
[12:14] <pieter2627> Kilos: sorted?
[12:14] <Kilos> wait
[12:15] <Kilos> miles@P64:~/Downloads$ java -jar Downloads/JSigGen.jar
[12:15] <Kilos> Error: Unable to access jarfile Downloads/JSigGen.jar
[12:15] <Kilos> oh wait some more
[12:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> Is that where the file is?
[12:15] <Kilos> ya
[12:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> find . -name JSigGen.jar
[12:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> find ~ -name JSigGen.jar
[12:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> sorry, second one
[12:16] <Kilos> find: `/home/miles/.cache/dconf': Permission denied
[12:16] <Kilos> /home/miles/Downloads/JSigGen.jar
[12:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> download it again, could just be incomplete
[12:16] <Kilos> ok
[12:17] <pieter2627> 'miles@P64:~/Downloads$' means you already cd(ed) to Downloads
[12:17] <Kilos> ya im there
[12:17] <pieter2627> so no need to have Downloads again with 'java -jar Downloads/JSigGen.jar'
[12:18] <pieter2627> just 'java -jar JSigGen.jar'
[12:18] <Kilos> i realised that after sorry
[12:18] <pieter2627> it's fine. so it's ok now
[12:18] <pieter2627> *?
[12:19] <Kilos> woooo its working ty
[12:19] <Kilos> new download
[12:19] <Kilos> now to find the frequency that affects miggies
[12:21] <Kilos> die goed freet my
[12:21] <Kilos> vreet ook
[12:22] <Kilos> hi spinza  
[12:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[12:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> sounds like an april fool joke
[12:41] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice evening , God bless
[12:42] <Kilos> nono ThatGraemeGuy  they really do bite me the pesky things
[12:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> can pc speakers even produce a sound of high enough frequency? my wharfedales only manage up to around 25kHz afaik
[12:43] <Kilos> so hopefully i can find the frequency that chases them
[12:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> and those are slightly better than your average set of desktop noise boxes
[12:43] <Kilos> ive got it running at 15k now
[12:44] <Kilos> if you play with that sig gen you will see at some place peeps moan they getting headaches
[12:44] <Kilos> at onther place all dogs start howling
[12:44] <Kilos> another
[12:45] <Kilos> at 15khz i almost feel more than hear the low grumbling kinda sound
[12:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> what speakers are you using for that?
[12:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm skeptical that desktop speakers can even manage that
[12:49] <Kilos> genius with built in amp
[12:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> you have the specific model?
[12:51] <Kilos> lemme look
[12:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> when you say "miggies" you mean mosquitoes or some other bug?
[12:52] <Kilos> SP-G16
[12:52] <Kilos> midges
[12:52] <Kilos> and white fly
[12:52] <Kilos> they are tiny, come in through mosquito screens
[12:55] <Kilos> they live under leaves of veggies and eat all the chlorophyl out of the leaves and the plant doesnt bare any fruit
[12:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> so it seems that the validity of ultrasonic sound in repelling bugs is a bit controversial
[12:56] <Kilos> leaves all go yellow bit by bit till plant dies
[12:56] <Kilos> im gonne try
[12:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> but if it were to work, the idea is that these are very high frequencies
[12:56] <Kilos> nothing to lose
[12:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> i.e. much higher than humans can hear
[12:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> and we typically top out around 20kHz
[12:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> and not-so-conincidentally, that's where most speakers max out as well
[12:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> so you aren't able to get anywhere near the kind of frequencies needed, and that's if it even works at all
[12:57] <Kilos> thats why i wanted this sig gen you just use the mouse wheel to change frequency
[12:58]  * ThatGraemeGuy sighs
[12:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok carry on
[12:58] <Kilos> lol
[12:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> not really sure why i bother anymore
[12:59] <Kilos> do the speakers max out because of speaker design or because we just cant hear anymore
[12:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> does it matter? you're going to keep at it anyway :-)
[12:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> but yes, they cannot physically manage more than that
[13:00] <Kilos> haha ya ill keep trying
[13:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> exactly
[13:00] <Kilos> well these things eat me so i have to find somehing
[13:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> well keep going because f$%k science and logic
[13:02] <Kilos> thats how breakthroughs are my, by peeps not accepting the obvious
[13:02] <Kilos> most finds are by accident
[13:02] <Kilos> s/my/made
[13:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes, I'm sure you are about to accidentally discover that a pair of R300 speakers are actually capable of 5x higher frequencies than the people who designed and manufacured them thought physically possible
[13:04] <Kilos> no man
[13:05] <Kilos> i might even try sending out frequencies on an antenna
[13:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[13:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok, so then you're going to accidentally discover that radio waves and sound waves are actually the same, despite what millions of hours of scientific evidence to the contrary says
[13:06] <Kilos> but play with it and there is some  freq that you cant hear anymore and next thing the dogs start howling
[13:08] <Kilos> im not trying to discover anything, im trying to chase bugs
[13:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> yup, good luck
[13:08] <Kilos> ty
[13:11] <pieter2627> Kilos: rather than sound, you might wanna go for smell. try researching if any essential oils might affect them
[13:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> smoke them out
[13:13] <Kilos> i wanted to smoke them out and sis said it would stain ceiling and walls
[13:14] <Kilos> ill google if any of the oils help pieter2627  i know  citronella doesnt work
[13:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> sleep with a fan running
[13:16] <Kilos> ya i do that ThatGraemeGuy  its all that blows them away but starting to get cold now
[13:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> sleep with a fan header running
[13:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-p
[13:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> uh, 'heater' :-/
[13:17] <Kilos> no heaters here , electricity too expensive
[13:23] <pieter2627> the most important will be to kill the larva somehow so that you don't have a problem again in a few days/weeks
[13:23] <Kilos> they breed all over in damp grass and under any leaves they can find the swine things
[13:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> catch them, fry them up in some butter, garlic and bacon
[13:24] <Kilos> would have to kill them in the whole tvl to have some peace
[13:24] <Kilos> lol
[13:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> only grass an leaves? then just burn down everything and turn it into a desert, easy
[13:24] <pieter2627> oh
[13:25] <Kilos> nono we need some green showing
[13:25] <Kilos> hi smile
[13:25] <Kilos> too much dust without grass
[13:25] <smile> hi Kilos :D
[13:36] <Kilos> whats news smile  
[13:37] <smile> Kilos: kill la kill is almost fully watched :p
[13:37] <smile> that's 25 episodes of anime
[13:38] <Kilos> lol
[13:39] <Kilos> whats the link for it smile  
[13:39] <Kilos> tara does anime drawings maybe she will enjoy it too
[13:40] <smile> I hope she will :) 
[14:12] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  cant you hear the whistle at 50 khz
[14:13] <Kilos> i was running at 15 hz before
[14:13] <Kilos> not 15 khz
[14:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> speakers can't produce a soundwave at 50kHz, nor can humans hear it
[14:14] <Kilos> oh my
[14:14] <Kilos> so whats the high pitched whistle i hear
[14:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> something less than 50kHz? :)
[14:15] <Kilos> maybe im not human
[14:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's plausible
[14:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-p
[14:15] <Kilos> ah maybe its not accurate
[14:46] <Kilos> hmm... me not human
[15:04] <Mopkop> Hello...
[15:30] <Kilos> hi Mopkop  
[16:36] <Guest19608> hi :p
[16:37] <Kilos> haha
[16:37] <Kilos> hi zeratul  
[16:38] <zeratul> hi
[16:38] <Kilos> smile you playing again?
[16:39] <zeratul> anybody have experience setting up Afrihost static ip with xl2tpd ?
[16:40] <smile> Kilos: playing what? :p
[16:40] <smile> with joining and leaving?
[16:40] <Kilos> with guest and you
[16:40] <Kilos> ya that
[16:41] <Kilos> zeratul  youll have to be patient, guys most likely just getting home
[16:46] <Kilos> zeratul  did you look at this http://wiki.openwrt.org/inbox/openswanxl2tpvpn
[16:47] <smile> Kilos: yeah sorry I need to setup sasl :p
[16:48] <Kilos> np
[16:54] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:03] <Kilos> hi rohanza  welcome to ubuntu-za
[17:07] <rohanza> Hi Kilos, nick was taken - was me (zeratul) asking about xl2tpd with afrihost
[17:08] <Kilos> ah cool, just hang here rohanza  someone will help you or make some suggestions
[17:09] <rohanza> thanks :)
[17:09] <Kilos> tell us a bit about yourself in the meantime
[17:10] <Kilos> i gotta go eat
[17:10] <Kilos> wbb
[17:26] <Kilos> aw i thought id come back and read your life history
[17:26] <Kilos> lol i meant what OS are you using and in what area are you rohanza  
[17:27] <Kilos> and you better register this nick if you want to keep it
[17:27] <rohanza> yeah haha thought so
[17:28] <Kilos>  do you know irc?
[17:29] <rohanza> Im in Cape Town, use Ubuntu as my OS, I do web dev (mostly python)
[17:29] <Kilos> ah one of the clever guy
[17:29] <rohanza> Do not use IRC much, but still had this account setup in Pidgin
[17:29] <Kilos> well you welcome to hangout here with us we have all kinds of guys here
[17:30] <Kilos> you can register with /msg nickserv register nick i think
[17:32] <rohanza> thanks
[17:32] <Kilos> ohi superfly  
[17:33] <Kilos> another python man
[17:36] <pieter2627> To register a nick use `/msg Nickserv Register <password> <email>` - according to nickserv help
[17:37] <Kilos> ah ty pieter2627  
[17:47] <Mopkop> Hello rohanza! Pleased to meet you!
[17:48] <rohanza> Hey Mopkop
[17:52] <Mopkop> Whete can I get a bunch of Ubuntu CD's?
[17:52] <Mopkop> Or DVD's rather.
[17:52] <Kilos> they dont come in bunches
[17:52] <Kilos> you mean for new releases?
[17:53] <Kilos> we only get lts dvds officially now not every release anymopre
[17:53] <Kilos> anymore
[17:53] <Mopkop> Nono, if I want to have this Ubuntu-hour thing, or spread it to bunch of people.
[17:53] <Mopkop> Been 
[17:54] <Kilos> oh then you download the iso and burn them yourself
[17:54] <Mopkop> *Been evangelizing Ubuntu today, people have too many concerns, they are afraid of change. 
[17:54] <Kilos> yip totally brainwashed
[17:55] <Mopkop> But I have a target group I know will be easy to convert :)
[17:55] <Kilos> it works if you have physical contact with them regularly
[17:55] <Kilos> or get them to come here for help
[17:56] <Kilos> support is important in the beginning stages
[17:56] <Kilos> but ubuntu has god pretty good now so not often much help needed
[17:57] <Kilos> got
[17:58] <Kilos> you want to have an install party?
[17:58] <Mopkop> I'm beginning to understand why people wont convert. Once I know why, I can set up a strategy for converting them. We learn this in Missiology. For example this one oom who I build an Access database for, thinks Ubuntu is only for super smart people. He was surprised to learn it is actually easier than Windows. 
[17:58] <Mopkop> Yes, I want that install party thing :)
[17:58] <Mopkop> I also though about a LAN party dedicated to Ubuntu gaming :)
[17:59] <Kilos> then get a few dvds burned and a couple of flash drives to install from
[17:59] <Kilos> gaming is another story
[17:59] <Mopkop> Ugh, How do printers know when you are really desparate. Like printers just know the right time to run out of ink :(
[18:00] <Kilos> lol
[18:01] <Mopkop> Yes I know, It's easier to convert small businesses than gamers, but I have an idea :))
[18:02] <Mopkop> Retro gaming...
[18:02] <Kilos> get together with mazalhe is a gamer
[18:02] <Mopkop> We should do that.
[18:03] <Mopkop> Or maybe we can have a LAN using tux kart :-D
[18:03] <Mopkop> Or minetest.
[18:03] <Kilos> lol
[18:03] <Kilos> ya minetest is very addictive
[18:04] <Mopkop> But for now I know of a target group which will be easy to convert.
[18:04] <superfly> Steam
[18:04] <Mopkop> The technologically impaired, ironically enough.
[18:05] <Mopkop> I don't think steam allows LANing, does it?
[18:05] <pieter2627> I think some steam games do
[18:06] <Mopkop> Really? That will be nice!
[18:08] <Mopkop> At Church I always help the old people with their PC's and many of them still have XP. They don't know how to do anything besides sending email and skyping with their grand children, so converting to Ubuntu wouldn't be too much of a change. And I find Ubuntu is much easier for new users to learn.
[18:09] <Kilos> i had xp before and sukkeled my gaai af to get going on buntu
[18:09] <Kilos> but that was 8.10
[18:10] <Mopkop> And it gives new life to old PC's :)
[18:10]  * pieter2627 Embarrassed to say this, but our church have XP
[18:10] <Mopkop> Yes Unity is much better for new users.
[18:10] <Mopkop> pieter2627: We have Vista, so you have nothing to feel bad about :)
[18:10]  * pieter2627 even used XP last year for school work
[18:11] <pieter2627> Mopkop: haha, yes that sounds worse
[18:12] <Kilos> ive never see vista
[18:12] <Kilos> wb rohanza  
[18:12] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[18:12] <magespawn> good evening
[18:13] <Kilos> magespawn  anybody have experience setting up Afrihost static ip with xl2tpd ?
[18:13] <Mopkop> hello magespawn!
[18:13] <rohanza> eish my internet is flaky
[18:13] <Kilos> rohanza  needs some help
[18:14] <Kilos> i dunno that xl2tpd thing
[18:14] <Kilos> greeter bots dont go so deep
[18:15] <rohanza> someone called DeonP seems to have figured it out... I came across this log: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/09/12/%23ubuntu-za.txt  
[18:16] <Kilos> wow he hasnt been here for a long time
[18:18] <rohanza> I was on the fone with afrihost support last week, my boss bought their recommended modem (only 1 model) and it still does not work... dont believe their static IP claim... this is so much more effort than Mweb business account
[18:19] <Kilos> i think ThatGraemeGuy  uses afrihost
[18:19] <rohanza> and we cant get fiber at our office... yet.
[18:19] <Kilos> they the okes that go with mtn as well
[18:19] <magespawn> what is the problem?
[18:20] <magespawn> the static ip or the internet connection or both?
[18:21] <magespawn> as a company we do too, use afrihost that is
[18:21] <rohanza> the static IP is the problem
[18:22] <rohanza> magespawn: do you use static ip with afrihost?
[18:22] <Mopkop> I have Afrihost, but don't get a static IP.
[18:22] <Kilos> oh my i didnt even see qw guy
[18:22] <magespawn> no never needed a static ip, i just use a dns redirect
[18:22] <Mopkop> Oops, He came in from the site...
[18:23] <Kilos> ya
[18:23] <Kilos> rohanza  have you seen our new site
[18:23] <Kilos> https://ubuntu-za.org/
[18:23] <Kilos> you in web design what do you think
[18:24] <Kilos> or web dev
[18:24] <Kilos> hi qwebirc60707  
[18:24] <Mopkop> Yes, we use Python too, but only to generate the static site.
[18:24] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:25] <magespawn> like no-ip that way i never rely on someone elses service
[18:25] <rohanza> magespawn: yeah I am also using dyndns at the moment, but we had a static ip with mweb, and my boss wanted it on afrihost too
[18:26] <rohanza> ... really not worth the trouble
[18:26] <qwebirc60707> Hi new here,can anyone tell me if linux-pre-installed laptops are available in south africa,
[18:26] <rohanza> also... found this out today.. [myafrihostusername].afrihost.co.za works for dyndns too
[18:27] <magespawn> rohanza: they would have to look at it
[18:27] <pieter2627> rohanza: so when the connection is established you want it to be assigned an IP given to you? 
[18:27] <Mopkop> Hi qwebirc60707, I believe it is. Let me check...
[18:27] <pieter2627> qwebirc60707: ProLine has some
[18:28] <rohanza> Kilos: cool site, me not into frontend though 
[18:28] <Kilos> our main python man did that and some helpers did some content
[18:29] <rohanza> pieter2627: yes, ideally the ip should stay the same
[18:29] <pieter2627> rohanza: desktop or server?
[18:29] <Mopkop> Me still not very good with Python. Learned to use CSS with GTK today, so that's a start :)
[18:30] <qwebirc60707> Thanks for that, proline where"" i'me in natal, sorry,will search ie look up site
[18:30] <rohanza> pieter2627: we use it for 2 things: some clients want us to give them a static ip for eg firewall whitelisting
[18:31] <Mopkop> qwebirc60707: Look at this.... http://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/555/campaigns/xps-linux-laptop?c=us&l=en&s=biz
[18:32] <Mopkop> I think it is available in SA too...
[18:32]  * pieter2627 forgot about the DELL
[18:32] <superfly> rohanza: where are your offices?
[18:33] <rohanza> pieter2627: and sometimes we want to expose a dev server from the office... this we can solve with dyndns too
[18:33] <rohanza> Cape Town, (Bellville)
[18:33] <superfly> rohanza: our offices are in town
[18:34] <superfly> we've applied for and are waiting for Fibre :-)
[18:34] <rohanza> I dont recommend Proline... I bought one that had a dodgy keyboard from the start, it also has a dodgy bios that does not support VTx
[18:35] <magespawn> amazing i cant even get adsl some of my locations
[18:35] <rohanza> superfly: I am green with envy... dsl is pretty bad here
[18:36] <magespawn> rohanza: now i have had nothing but good experience with them
[18:36] <superfly> rohanza: we're just down the road from RSAWeb's data centre, they kinda approached us
[18:36] <superfly> rohanza: what company do you work for, if I may ask?
[18:36] <magespawn> superfly: nice one 
[18:37] <rohanza> http://byteorbit.com/
[18:40] <superfly> ah yes, I've heard of you guys
[18:41] <rohanza> superfly: what company are you with?
[18:41] <superfly> rohanza: Nomanini -> http://nomanini.com
[18:41]  * superfly disclaims the website, he had nothing to do with it
[18:43] <Mopkop> You CT people have more IT stuff than us :(
[18:44] <inetpro> good evening
[18:44] <pieter2627> yea they seem to 
[18:44] <rohanza> superfly: yeah that name sounds familiar too
[18:44] <Mopkop> Hello inetpro!
[18:44] <Kilos> hi inetpro  
[18:45] <inetpro> superfly: did you see Mopkop's merge proposal?
[18:45] <superfly> inetpro: in passing, will have a look at it just now
[18:45] <pieter2627> evening inetpro
[18:45] <inetpro> superfly: ty
[18:46] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[18:46]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[18:46] <Kilos> ya good idea
[18:46] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee please
[18:46] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[18:46] <pieter2627> the merge proposal of Mopkop is quite beautiful imo
[18:46] <Kilos> Mopkop  pieter2627  you gotta drink maaz coffee to get in the swing
[18:47] <rohanza> where are you other people located?
[18:47] <Mopkop> Thank you pieter2627!
[18:47]  * inetpro also just tested and likes it
[18:47] <Mopkop> Ok...
[18:47] <Kilos> pretoria
[18:47] <pieter2627> prt
[18:47] <Mopkop> maaz Coffee please!
[18:47] <Maaz> Mopkop: Okay
[18:47] <Mopkop> rohanza: Pretoria.
[18:47] <pieter2627> Kilos: i've never talked to maaz :P
[18:47] <Kilos> just say maaz coffee please
[18:48] <pieter2627> does he offer water too
[18:48] <pieter2627> *?
[18:48] <Kilos> man cyber coffee is good for you
[18:48] <Mopkop> Maaz water please
[18:48] <Maaz> Mopkop: Excuse me?
[18:48] <smile> good night! :)
[18:48] <pieter2627> haha 
[18:48] <Kilos> night smile  be good
[18:49] <Mopkop> Night smile!
[18:49] <pieter2627> Maaz Coffee please
[18:49] <Maaz> pieter2627: Alrighty
[18:49] <smile> thanks :)
[18:49] <pieter2627> night smile
[18:49] <smile> thank you :D
[18:49] <Mopkop> Thinking of switching ISP's any suggestions?
[18:50] <Kilos> Maaz  water please
[18:50] <Maaz> Oh My that you can get out of a tap or in the fridge Kilos
[18:50] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro, Kilos, Mopkop and pieter2627!
[18:50] <Kilos> Maaz  dankie man
[18:50] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[18:50] <Mopkop> Thank you Maaz!
[18:50] <Mopkop> Hmmm...
[18:50] <Kilos> you gotta maaz first
[18:50] <inetpro> only one thing I noticed that superfly will have to decide on
[18:50] <inetpro> actually 2
[18:50] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[18:50] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[18:51] <inetpro> in conf.py we have the 'Get Started' linking to /getting-started.html
[18:51] <Mopkop> Thank you Maaz
[18:51] <inetpro> why not make that short as well, in other words /get-started.html?
[18:51] <Kilos> ai!
[18:51] <pieter2627> maaz thanks
[18:51] <Maaz> pieter2627: No problem
[18:51] <Mopkop> Maaz thank you.
[18:51] <Maaz> Mopkop: No problem
[18:51] <inetpro> same for /getting-involved.html
[18:51] <Kilos> yay
[18:51] <Mopkop> inetpro: hmmm, I thought I did do that.
[18:51] <Kilos> werk gou Mopkop  
[18:52] <inetpro> Mopkop: if you are quick you can fix it and re-propose
[18:52] <Mopkop> Kilos: I would d that but the internet is frozen again. It's Afrihost, I'm sure.
[18:52] <pieter2627> Mopkop: I'm with WAN4U - good service and everything only a bit expensive
[18:52] <Kilos> eish
[18:53] <Mopkop> I jsut do not get it. Some sites are very fast (like Bing), but other's are frozen.
[18:53] <superfly> inetpro: then you need to change the page name
[18:53] <inetpro> superfly: true
[18:53] <superfly> inetpro: not saying you  can't, just reminding you that you'll need to
[18:54] <inetpro> superfly: but you agree the consistency would be best?
[18:54] <superfly> inetpro: yep
[18:55] <inetpro> Mopkop: there you have it
[18:56] <Mopkop> superfly: Yes Yes, I know that. And the title. Though I think 'get-started.html' is not a very good practice for SEO. Usually if you want to SEO a site, you make the page titles and names the same as what ever people like to type into Google.
[18:56] <Mopkop> That was for the ZA site, right?
[18:56] <inetpro> yep
[18:56] <superfly> Mopkop: SEO doesn't look at urls anymore
[18:56] <superfly> hasn't for a long time
[18:57] <Mopkop> superfly: O, I'm behind time then :(
[18:57] <Kilos> ya getting old 
[18:57] <Kilos> hehe
[18:59] <superfly> make your urls for your users, make your website for your users, SEO will follow
[19:00] <superfly> (there are a few other tips and tricks, but good content is the biggest contributor to good SEO)
[19:00]  * pieter2627 learned something new
[19:00]  * Mopkop too
[19:06] <Mopkop> Ok, Merge is proposed :)
[19:06] <Kilos> rohanza  why did you take so long to find us
[19:07] <Symmetria> heh so I finally pushed through a policy about linux inside our organisation
[19:07] <Kilos> good work Symmetria  
[19:07] <Mopkop> Symmetria: That's good to hear!
[19:07] <Symmetria> ubuntu LTS releases are the only version of linux to be installed, other than for very specific commercial packages that require deadrat
[19:07] <pieter2627> I've also re-did my local from trunk (without the added pages so that they don't overwrite Mopkop's)
[19:07] <Mopkop> Oh wait....
[19:07] <Symmetria> I had to standardize because everyone wanted a different version for their apps
[19:08] <Symmetria> so I said screw it, and standardized 
[19:08] <Kilos> good
[19:08] <Symmetria> which made some people grumpy ;p
[19:08] <Kilos> tough in africa
[19:08] <Symmetria> heh kilos I pushed that through from London all the way down ;p
[19:09] <Kilos> nice work keep it up
[19:09] <Symmetria> and I finally got an IPAM system at last! 
[19:09] <Mopkop> Wait, should I merge again? It says I can't because it is already proposed.
[19:09] <rohanza> Kilos: dont know... not used irc in years
[19:09] <Symmetria> lol, and discovered in getting that system that certain linux based systems cost more money than god himself 
[19:10] <inetpro> Mopkop: top right hand
[19:10] <Kilos> well rohanza  i hope this channel is now in your favourites
[19:10] <inetpro> Mopkop: resubmit proposal
[19:12] <Mopkop> inetpro: That worked :)
[19:12] <Kilos> good thinking adding the link to here on the site superfly  
[19:12] <Kilos> one ubuntu lappy gonna be bought
[19:12] <rohanza> Kilos: yep... I will keep it. You seem like nice people :)
[19:12] <Kilos> lol we are a happy fmily
[19:13] <Kilos> family
[19:13] <Kilos> just dont get a shock when you see chats about farming or health or mechanics 
[19:14] <rohanza> Symmetria: lol "deadrat" - I had the unpleasant experience of deployment on Centos last week... so much pain
[19:14] <inetpro> superfly: can I go for it and merge?
[19:14] <Kilos> we have a flexible topic
[19:14] <superfly> inetpro: I'm looking, hold on please
[19:14] <inetpro> ok
[19:14] <Kilos> inetpro  patience
[19:14] <inetpro> ai!
[19:15] <Kilos> you told me that 100 times or more
[19:15] <Kilos> one step at a time
[19:15]  * inetpro has no patience
[19:15] <Kilos> lol
[19:15] <Kilos> fly busy man
[19:17] <inetpro> Kilos: when he is done with this one he still has more work
[19:17] <inetpro> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-africa-devs/ubuntu-africa/trunk/+activereviews
[19:17] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:17] <Kilos> ai! my poor fly
[19:18] <Kilos> you the one giving him migraines
[19:18] <inetpro> sorry oom
[19:18] <superfly> inetpro: your turn: https://code.launchpad.net/~prysdieheer/ubuntu-africa/starting-pages/+merge/255571
[19:18] <Kilos> you happy superfly  ?
[19:19] <inetpro> superfly: I also need to approve?
[19:19] <superfly> inetpro: yes
[19:19] <superfly> inetpro: then you can merge it too :-P
[19:19]  * superfly makes inetpro do some work for once
[19:19] <Kilos> lol
[19:19] <Mopkop> Haha...
[19:19] <Kilos> well donr Mopkop  
[19:20] <inetpro> ai! :[
[19:20] <Kilos> done as well
[19:20] <Mopkop> Yay! I was sure something was going to break again.
[19:20] <superfly> inetpro: why does your branch have Mopkop's changes?
[19:20] <inetpro> hang on superfly, that was ubuntu-africa?
[19:21] <Kilos> if the fly is happy you did good lad
[19:21] <superfly> yes
[19:21] <inetpro> ok
[19:22] <inetpro> Mopkop: it's your lucky day
[19:22] <Mopkop> What good editor, except for vim, can I use for reStructuredText? It seems that only vim give rst pretty colours.
[19:22] <Mopkop> inetpro: :)
[19:24] <Kilos> just remember the link to the mailing list is still coming. they dont seem in a hurry
[19:25] <Mopkop> Kilos: Yes, as soon as We get all that, we can make a better site :)
[19:25] <Kilos> that can be added at anytime though i think
[19:25] <Kilos> nono been too long on this one already
[19:26] <Kilos> next site the pro must do so fly can rest
[19:26] <Kilos> and you two as well of course
[19:26] <Kilos> oh pieter2627  whats happening about paper cuts
[19:26] <Kilos> octoquad  gone silent again
[19:27] <superfly> Mopkop: you need to do some more fixing, mate: https://code.launchpad.net/~prysdieheer/ubuntu-za/menu-revisions2/+merge/255751
[19:27] <superfly> Mopkop: Kate
[19:27] <superfly> (editor)
[19:27] <pieter2627> I found something to fix, but have to figure out how deb/package work as it is missing a desktop file?
[19:27] <Mopkop> superfly: was waithing for that...
[19:27] <superfly> pieter2627: ?
[19:28] <inetpro> ok, Mopkop's ubuntu-africa job is merged please do bzr update of trunk on your side
[19:28] <superfly> Mopkop: I'm pendantic, it's what makes my sites so good ;-)
[19:28] <pieter2627> yese superfly 
[19:28] <inetpro> pieter2627: ^^
[19:28] <pieter2627> just `bzr update` while on trunk?
[19:28] <Mopkop> Ugh I'm outdated, still stuck in XHTML...
[19:29] <superfly> pieter2627: as long as you did `bzr co` initially, yes
[19:29] <superfly> pieter2627: otherwise you may need to do `bzr pull`
[19:30] <pieter2627> bzr update worked - now at rev 4
[19:31] <pieter2627> superfly: then `bzr merge ../trunk` while in my branch
[19:31] <pieter2627> *?
[19:32] <inetpro> superfly: you want me to merge from trunk to build-instructions as well, or wait for pieter2627?
[19:32] <superfly> pieter2627: yep
[19:33] <superfly> inetpro: yes
[19:33] <Kilos> lol
[19:33] <inetpro> sorry, two questions in one, do I wait as well?
[19:34]  * inetpro waits
[19:34] <superfly> inetpro: merge from trunk
[19:34] <inetpro> ok
[19:35] <Mopkop> If I remove the paragraph, how should I align the text in the centre then? Should I do it in the css?
[19:35] <pieter2627> my `bzr status` list the new files with `pending merge tips`, is this right?
[19:36] <magespawn> brb just moving to laptop
[19:36] <octoquad> Hehe Kilos I'm here, busy working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/syncevolution/+bug/1406200
[19:36] <octoquad> evening all
[19:36] <Kilos> cool beans octoquad  
[19:36] <Mopkop> Hello octoquad!
[19:37] <pieter2627> evening octoquad 
[19:37] <octoquad> Hey Mopkop pieter2627 superfly inetpro et al. :)
[19:37] <pieter2627> Mopkop: class `text-center` might work - didn't check the code
[19:37] <octoquad> btw, I'm keen to do your Trello script
[19:37] <octoquad> will do it in PHP
[19:37] <Kilos> you guys can use my channel if you want to work together octoquad  pieter2627  
[19:38] <octoquad> just kidding
[19:38] <octoquad> in Python :)
[19:38] <Kilos> ##kilos
[19:38] <Kilos> octoquad  you can guide pieter2627  hes new to bug fixing
[19:39] <octoquad> pieter2627, what you trying to fix?
[19:40] <pieter2627> octoquad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/607568
[19:40] <Mopkop> Well I did .footer p{text-align: center;}, hope it works...
[19:40] <pieter2627> octoquad: already have a local copy of it and know how to create desktop file
[19:41] <superfly> sup octoquad
[19:41] <superfly> Mopkop: don't align it center
[19:41] <Mopkop> margin: 0 auto; then?
[19:42] <superfly> Mopkop: no, leave it to the side. why must it be centre?
[19:42] <Mopkop> I like it in the middle.
[19:42] <pieter2627> just need to figure out how things are packaged to know where to add it
[19:42] <inetpro> superfly: what do you mean with "Please wait for trunk to catch up and then merge from trunk."?
[19:42] <inetpro> was that before I merged?
[19:42] <superfly> inetpro: merge from trunk
[19:43] <inetpro> hmm... ok
[19:43] <Mopkop> superfly: can I please put it in the middle?
[19:44] <octoquad> pieter2627, how did you get the package? dget?
[19:45] <pieter2627> octoquad: from launchpad/bzr - https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xbubble
[19:46] <octoquad> pieter2627, I've only used dget so far, but i'm sure the build process is the same. So have you added the patch to debian/patches?
[19:47] <octoquad> pieter2627, for your approach this will help: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/fixing-a-bug.html
[19:48] <pieter2627> octoquad: No, i haven't added any thing yet - trying to figure out first
[19:48] <inetpro> superfly: I submitted a clean proposal
[19:48] <inetpro> https://code.launchpad.net/~inetpro/ubuntu-africa/build-instructions/+merge/255756
[19:48] <pieter2627> octoquad: that is what i'm following
[19:49] <Mopkop> Ok, submitted. I still like it more in the middle...
[19:49] <octoquad> pieter2627, I see, where are you stuck?
[19:50] <octoquad> Perhaps a #ubuntu-za-devel channel for dev related chats?
[19:51] <inetpro> sorry octoquad
[19:51] <octoquad> why you sorry?
[19:51] <inetpro> all the spam :-)
[19:51] <pieter2627> octoquad: in the middle of 4.4
[19:51] <octoquad> no no, I was talking about pieter2627 and myself for ubuntu bug fixes
[19:51] <octoquad> :)
[19:52] <inetpro> octoquad: oh no, here is fine
[19:52] <octoquad> ok, didn't want to spam as well hehe
[19:53] <inetpro> if it gets too much we can make plans
[19:53] <inetpro> for now I think it will be good for others to see and get involved
[19:53] <octoquad> awesome
[19:54] <octoquad> pieter2627, do this first if you haven't then go back to 4.4: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/udd-getting-the-source.html#branching
[19:55] <octoquad> pieter2627, actually, let's do it the debdiff way, since I'm more familiar with that and most developers prefer debdiffs
[19:56] <pieter2627> octoquad: ok
[19:57] <octoquad> pieter2627, Install sbuild-launchpad-chroot
[19:57] <octoquad> pieter2627, and make notes as we go along :)
[19:58] <octoquad> pieter2627, sudo apt-get install -y sbuild-launchpad-chroot cdbs dh-autoreconf
[19:58] <octoquad> why so quiet now?
[19:58] <octoquad> lol
[19:58] <Kilos> we watching man
[19:59] <octoquad> I thought so!
[19:59] <Kilos> lol
[19:59] <pieter2627> mjU78(0P;.<
[19:59] <octoquad> pieter2627, is that a password?
[19:59] <pieter2627> octoquad: yea - wrong window had focus
[19:59] <octoquad> pieter2627, hehe
[19:59]  * pieter2627 slapping his forehead
[20:00] <octoquad> pieter2627, don't worry we don't know the site or the username just yet
[20:00] <inetpro> hmm... 
[20:01] <inetpro> superfly: do we approve Mopkop's changes as is?
[20:01] <inetpro> ubuntu-za/menu-revisions2
[20:01] <pieter2627> octoquad: installed
[20:02] <magespawn> octoquad: if i may ask, what are you doing?
[20:02] <octoquad> pieter2627, ok run id and see if you have sbuild in the list
[20:02] <Kilos> gug fixing magespawn  
[20:02] <Kilos> bug too
[20:02] <octoquad> magespawn, hacking the planet
[20:03] <pieter2627> octoquad: nope
[20:04] <octoquad> pieter2627, ok, run sudo usermod -aG sbuild `whoami` <- this adds you to the sbuild group so you can create chrooted (virtual environments) when building. You will need to log out and back in for the change to take affect.
[20:04] <magespawn> perhaps a little more info, not really understanding
[20:04] <Kilos> they have joined the bugsquad
[20:05] <octoquad> magespawn, I'm helping pieter2627 fix  a bug in a package
[20:05] <Kilos> ubuntu-bugs
[20:05] <magespawn> i see, for ubuntu?
[20:05] <magespawn> ahh right then
[20:05] <octoquad> magespawn, yes. Applies to flavours as well. I help out in Ubuntu Gnome
[20:06] <magespawn> cool beans
[20:06] <octoquad> good start for anybody is bug triaging
[20:06] <octoquad> See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1441744 for an example
[20:08] <inetpro> magespawn: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad
[20:10] <magespawn> i have heard/read about this before, just never seen people helping/doing it before
[20:11] <Kilos> wb pieter2627  
[20:11] <octoquad> pew pew
[20:11] <pieter2627> Ooi oi
[20:11] <octoquad> pieter2627, all good?
[20:12] <pieter2627> octoquad: yes, i'm now part of the sbuild group
[20:13] <octoquad> awesome,
[20:13] <magespawn> which bug/
[20:13] <magespawn> ?
[20:13] <Kilos> lotsa paper cuts
[20:13] <octoquad> pieter2627, btw you might want to assign yourself to the bug and set the status to in progress
[20:13] <Kilos> https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/607568
[20:14] <pieter2627> octoquad: good point... done
[20:15] <octoquad> pieter2627, ooh ooh on the xbubble (Ubuntu) one as well
[20:16] <pieter2627> octoquad: since the fix will target ubuntu?
[20:16] <pieter2627> octoquad: also done
[20:16] <octoquad> pieter2627, a sponsor might help you get the fix pushed upstream to debian
[20:16] <octoquad> so you can leave the debian one
[20:17] <octoquad> although you can't change it any way
[20:17] <octoquad> pieter2627, easy part done, onto patching
[20:18] <Kilos> hmm...
[20:18] <Kilos> Mopkop  stay away from bugs for now
[20:18]  * pieter2627 rofl
[20:19] <Kilos> im losing my team
[20:19] <inetpro> Kilos: he will be assimilated?
[20:19] <octoquad> pieter2627, what version are you trying to fix it for? utopic, precise, vivid?
[20:20] <magespawn> right into the collective
[20:20] <Kilos> ya but not yet inetpro  
[20:20] <pieter2627> octoquad: isn't it possible to fix for all version - it is missing in all?
[20:21] <pieter2627> octoquad: or should it be done one at a time?
[20:21] <octoquad> pieter2627, well normally it's done per version. I would target vivid, then someone can backport it to other releases.
[20:22] <octoquad> pieter2627, that is normally handled by a sponsor (Ubuntu Developer)
[20:22] <pieter2627> octoquad: ok, so fixing for vivid
[20:23] <octoquad> pieter2627, this package doesn't have a dsc file. So this route isn't going to work, bzr seems like the only option for this package. Sorry about that should have checked first. 
[20:23] <octoquad> #fail
[20:23] <pieter2627> octoquad: haha, ok
[20:27] <octoquad> pieter2627, it is pretty late, do you want to pick this up over tomorrow / over the weekend / next week? I'm keen to learn how to do it the bzr way as well, so we can do it together, but you can submit the fix when done :)
[20:27] <pieter2627> octoquad: tomorrow is great
[20:28] <octoquad> alrighty
[20:28] <magespawn> i would like to sit in if that is okay/
[20:28] <magespawn> ?
[20:28] <Kilos> you came back just in time octoquad  
[20:28] <octoquad> sure magespawn 
[20:28]  * pieter2627 thinks we just disappointed a crowd
[20:28]  * octoquad thinks so too
[20:28] <Kilos> poor pieter2627  was gonna do it on his own
[20:29] <magespawn> any particular time?
[20:29] <superfly> octoquad: a lot of Ubuntu Developers are also Debian Developers
[20:29] <magespawn> always good to learn by example
[20:29] <superfly> octoquad: so they might push the fix upstream
[20:29] <octoquad> just so you know, I'm no pro at this, I started 2 months ago, and the docs are quite out-dated according to darkxst from Ubuntu Gnome (Lead Developer)
[20:30] <octoquad> I can understand why it can be so difficult to contribute. Patience, time, perseverance and the desire to learn will get it done.
[20:30]  * pieter2627 also discovered thru this over the last two days
[20:31] <magespawn> and so it begins to spread...
[20:31] <octoquad> superfly, that's the assumption, I've never seen it happen. In pieter2627 case, it might make sense to fix it upstream, so it trickles downstream to Ubuntu.
[20:31] <superfly> octoquad: yeah, in general they prefer to work the other way
[20:32]  * superfly has a package in Debian and Ubuntu
[20:32] <octoquad> superfly, makes total since, but sometimes, there are patches and fixes that don't make sense upstream and it gets pulled in upstream, ubuntu patches get applied, package gets built specifically for ubuntu (ever noticed ~ubuntu0 at the end of the package?)
[20:32] <octoquad> s/since/sense
[20:33] <superfly> octoquad: yep, I know the deal
[20:33] <octoquad> superfly, :) for the interested folks
[20:34]  * pieter2627 learned another new thing for the day
[20:34] <octoquad> magespawn, can be random time
[20:35] <Kilos> magespawn  do you watch your emails
[20:35] <Kilos> i can mail you when they start
[20:35] <Kilos> or the hangouts thing
[20:36] <Kilos> 'you get that on your fone?
[20:36] <octoquad> I'm curious to know, do we (ubuntu-za) not have package and bug fix contributors?
[20:36] <magespawn> cool beans, either way, yes i do
[20:36] <octoquad> packaging rather
[20:36] <magespawn> i will check in from time to time as well
[20:37] <magespawn> maybe sign in first thing and just leave the pc connected
[20:37] <Kilos> ill use the google thing
[20:39] <pieter2627> night all, and sweet dreams
[20:39] <Kilos> night pieter2627  
[20:39] <Kilos> sleep tight
[20:40] <inetpro> superfly: can you still look at that merge this evening?
[20:41] <octoquad> I'm also calling it night. Chat tomorrow all. 
[20:42] <Kilos> night octoquad  
[20:42] <Kilos> sleep tight
[20:42] <inetpro> good night octoquad
[20:43] <Kilos> ons span groei ne inetpro  
[20:43] <magespawn> good night octoquad 
[20:43] <inetpro> Kilos: your fault
[20:43] <Kilos> hmm...
[20:43] <Kilos> who nagged me
[20:44] <Kilos> i think its good
[20:44] <Kilos> 2 in the bug squad
[20:44] <magespawn> i am also off to bed, good night all
[20:44] <Kilos> night magespawn  
[20:44] <Kilos> sleep tight too
[20:44] <Kilos> we down to 12°c tonight
[20:47] <Kilos> inetpro  jy en vlieg moet ook gaan slaap
[20:48] <inetpro> yep, jy's reg
[20:48] <inetpro> good night everyone
[20:48] <Kilos> night inetpro  sleep tight
[20:51] <superfly> inetpro: I need to get some shut-eye
[20:51] <superfly> I'll look again tomorrow
[20:51] <Kilos> slepp tight superfly  
[20:51] <Kilos> sleep too
[20:52] <Kilos> ty for all the work
[20:52] <Mopkop> OK, nag almal!
[20:53] <Kilos> nag Mopkop  lekker slaap dankie
[20:53] <Mopkop> Skuus, van maandag ag is ek op bloktyd, so ek het nie weggeraak nie, sal net besig wees met studies tot na die eksamen :)
[20:54] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight