[05:38] <Guest50312> i'm in the live image, using it now, of kubuntu 15.04, and the installer crashes on efi as per this bug report; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1428877 how do i work around it or fix it
[08:09] <sitter> Riddell: ping
[08:09] <ovidiu-florin> What's the state of Wayland on Kubuntu?
[08:09] <sitter> Riddell: should I branch a kubuntu_vivid_backports from stable in plasma repos?
[08:10] <sitter> actually I probably should let it integrate first
[08:10] <sitter> ovidiu-florin: it exists
[08:11] <ovidiu-florin> Can it be used? 
[08:11] <sitter> sure
[08:11] <sitter> just not productively
[08:11] <sitter> just not for the majority of apps
[08:11] <sitter> just not for 90% of the things you want to do with it
[08:13] <sitter> IIRC the timeline for kwin was having something usable early 2016 which we might then test or focus transition on with 16.10 (after lts)
[08:16] <mgraesslin> as long as the nvidia situation is not solved I doubt Kubuntu will be able to do a default transition anyway
[08:16] <Riddell> hi sitter 
[08:17] <Riddell> sitter: I'm confused why would you branch kubuntu_vivid_backports?
[08:17] <Riddell> mgraesslin: which nvidia situation?
[08:17] <ovidiu-florin> My question exactly
[08:19] <Riddell> I think nvidia has many situations :)
[08:19] <Riddell> sitter: bug 1442512 has been reported as significant
[08:20] <mgraesslin> Riddell: not supporting Wayland
[08:21] <ovidiu-florin> You mean the driver is hard-coded Xorg? 
[08:21] <ovidiu-florin> For *
[08:22] <mgraesslin> no
[08:22] <ovidiu-florin> mgraesslin: what about on Intel boards? 
[08:23] <mgraesslin> ?
[08:24] <ovidiu-florin> If nvidia has issues with Wayland, does intel have them as well? 
[08:25] <mgraesslin> you know that Wayland is mainly an Intel thing?
[08:26] <ovidiu-florin> I'm missing some knowledge 
[08:28] <ovidiu-florin> Is wikipedia a good starting point? 
[08:29] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: keith packard works for intel and does muchos wayland as I understand it
[08:30] <mgraesslin> Riddell: wrong
[08:30] <Riddell> I never said I understand it right :)
[08:30] <mgraesslin> Riddell: keith works for HP
[08:30] <mgraesslin> but he used to work for intel
[08:30] <ovidiu-florin> On Wayland? 
[08:30] <mgraesslin> mostly X
[08:31] <ovidiu-florin> I thought development stopped for Xorg 
[08:31] <Riddell> "Dave Morley (davmor2) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members" yay davmor2 still loves us!
[08:31] <mgraesslin> no
[08:33] <sitter> Riddell: vivid_backports for whoever is going to package it at soome point
[08:33] <sitter> seeing as plasma 5.3 would land in backports
[08:33] <sitter> just like apps15.04
[08:33] <sitter> alas, that also hasn't been packaged so there's that
[08:34] <sitter> Riddell: that apport crash is in breeze
[08:34] <sitter> in fact, it might actually be pyqt
[08:35] <sitter> I recall shadeslayer did workarounds to do with destruction of the app
[08:35] <Riddell> sitter: I'd leave branching until someone does the packaging
[08:38] <sitter> fair enough
[08:38] <sitter> Python Exception <type 'exceptions.RuntimeError'> Type does not have a target.: 
[08:46] <sitter> Riddell: I think that something in apport-kde raises an exception which causes an abort which then crashes breeze because something is not deconstructing properly
[08:47] <ovidiu-florin> mgraesslin: do you use KDevelop?
[08:47] <sitter> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0
[08:47] <mgraesslin> yes
[08:47] <sitter> Riddell: bug 1440585 probably
[08:51] <sitter> Riddell: you didn't update the runtime deps of the package Oo
[08:55] <Riddell> oops
[09:03] <sitter> Riddell: fix in queue
[09:04] <sitter> also
[09:04] <sitter> libmuon/backends/ApplicationBackend/ApplicationNotifier.cpp:                                                i18n("System update available!"),
[09:04] <sitter> that's what is causing the notification spam on apt update
[09:05] <Riddell> mm right
[09:05] <Riddell> it's a reasonable thing to notify about but it needs to be a bit more clever about when it notifies
[09:07] <sitter> the konsole crash is so flipping annoying
[09:07] <Riddell> I'm glad you agree
[09:07] <Riddell> it's not too hard to port away from KUniqueApplication
[09:08] <Riddell> but that seems inelegant
[09:08] <Riddell> I want to know why other distros don't seem to get it
[09:19] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:23] <sitter> well then
[09:23] <sitter> Riddell: I don't think that apport crash is new
[09:23] <sitter> or rather... I don't see how it could be new
[09:24] <sitter> it queries properties of the apport report object and for some reason it runs into a property that is a bytearray rather than a string to which pyqt says nono
[09:25] <sitter> so chances are the underlyign problem is really that the code in question is run on a property that has a bytearray where the bytearray most likely doesn't contain something that should be printed anyway
[09:29] <sitter> sure doesn't help that I can't reproduce it with an actual crash
[09:32] <Riddell> :( thanks for looking into it
[09:37] <sitter> what we can do is force encode to utf8 string
[09:37] <sitter> that would make it not raise an exception, although, the exception here isn't fatal if I cause it
[09:38] <sitter> so there must be something else astray on the affected systems
[10:03] <xennex81> morning ovidiu-florin
[10:03] <xennex81> <-- uses names :p
[10:04] <ovidiu-florin> morning
[10:05] <lordievader> o/
[10:05] <ovidiu-florin> can someone help me here with an IRC issue?
[10:05] <Riddell> just ask :)
[10:06] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: in private
[10:08] <yofel> sitter: lp 1271599
[10:09] <sitter> yofel: that should go in the packaging not the bug report 
[10:09] <yofel> well, we can make a README.Debian I guess
[10:10] <yofel> I'm more interested on your opinion on the virtual-* stuff
[10:10] <yofel> *in
[10:10] <sitter> such a long read
[10:11] <sitter> I'm in favor
[10:12] <sitter> though I will also say that I wasn't too happy about the mariadb alternate. a package harddepping mariadb getting installed can totally bust a users akonadi without him realizing
[10:12] <sitter> or vice versa for that matter
[10:14] <yofel> sure, I mean we already had that issue with just mysql, which caused the backend getting replaced by sqlite. apt would happily replace mariadb-10 with mysql-5.6 if there's a problem
[10:14] <yofel> There's not really anything you can do against that though as long as we don't ship an embedded copy of mysql
[10:15] <yofel> only alternative is to only depend on mysql-5.6, which then means that people can't use mariadb or percona
[10:16] <sitter> yeah, it is somewhat meh
[10:20] <yofel> sitter: how about removing the hard dep on a-b-m, depping on virtual-* and instead adding a-b-m and mysql-server-core-5.6 to kubuntu-desktop deps?
[10:20] <yofel> That's meh too, but maybe better represents what we actually support and what not...
[10:20] <ovidiu-florin> apt-get doesn't support wildcards anymore?
[10:20] <yofel> it should...
[10:20] <yofel> what did you use?
[10:20] <ovidiu-florin> yeah... it's regex now, not wildcards
[10:21] <yofel> aah
[10:22] <sitter> eh?
[10:23] <sitter> apt-get doesn't have a perl regex parser and even the posix regex parsing is quite the hacky awfulness
[10:24] <ovidiu-florin> apt-get install libkf5*-dev 
[10:24] <ovidiu-florin> doesn't work ^
[10:24] <ovidiu-florin> apt-get install libkf5.*-dev 
[10:25] <ovidiu-florin> works ^
[10:25] <Guest50312> i'm in the live image, using it now, of kubuntu 15.04, and the installer crashes on efi as per this bug report; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1428877 how do i work around it or fix it
[10:26] <Guest50312> http://pastebin.com/ZNrdthMC
[10:29] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Perhaps your shell tries to do the regex parsing?
[10:30] <ovidiu-florin> it does
[10:31] <ovidiu-florin> can you install libkf5people-data in Vivid?
[10:31] <ovidiu-florin> I can't 
[10:31] <lordievader> I'm not running Vivid at the moment.
[10:31] <yofel>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/libkpeople.mo', which is also in package libkpeople4 0.3.0-0ubuntu1
[10:32] <yofel> meh
[10:32] <ovidiu-florin> so... what to do?
[10:35] <yofel> for now... you could do a --force-overwrite
[10:36]  * yofel isn't sure how to fix that in a sane way..
[10:36] <ovidiu-florin> uninstall
[10:37] <yofel> sure you can remove libkpeople4, but here that removes:
[10:37] <yofel>   kde-config-telepathy-accounts kde-telepathy kde-telepathy-auth-handler kde-telepathy-call-ui kde-telepathy-contact-list kde-telepathy-declarative kde-telepathy-filetransfer-handler kde-telepathy-integration-module kde-telepathy-kpeople
[10:37] <yofel>   kde-telepathy-minimal kde-telepathy-send-file kde-telepathy-text-ui kdenetwork kdenetwork-strigi-analyzers krfb libkpeople4 libktpcommoninternalsprivate8 libktploggerprivate8 libktpmodelsprivate8 libktpotrprivate8 libktpwidgetsprivate8
[10:37] <yofel>   plasma-runner-telepathy-contact
[10:37] <ovidiu-florin> no\
[10:38] <ovidiu-florin> remove libkf5people-data
[10:38] <yofel> if you don't need libkf5people, sure
[10:44] <sitter> ovidiu-florin: that sounds more like your shell is parsing that before apt has a chance
[10:45] <sitter> yofel: raise upstream
[10:45] <sitter> frameworks aren't supposed to conflict old stuff
[10:45] <sitter> Riddell: ^
[10:45] <yofel> even the translations?
[10:47] <sitter> yes
[10:54] <Riddell> yofel: where is that from?
[10:54] <yofel> libkf5people-data
[10:54] <Riddell> yofel: mm right, that's an upstream bug indeed
[11:09] <Riddell> sitter: how's the iso doing for today? I'm in need of screenshots
[11:09] <soee_> guys any idea for this http://paste.ubuntu.com/10790724/ ?
[11:09] <soee_> i asked about it a long ago even added bug for sddm but it was said it is distro related
[11:12] <sitter> Riddell: batter widget blew up overnight, so I am now tossing a coin on whether to roll a new iso of the completely new stable builds or go with the iso from yesterday or go with the battery broken iso from today's master
[11:12] <sitter> *battery
[11:32] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:33] <soee_> hiho BluesKaj
[11:34] <BluesKaj> hey soee_
[11:55] <Guest50312> i'm in the live image, using it now, of kubuntu 15.04, and the installer crashes on efi as per this bug report; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1428877 how do i work around it or fix it
[11:55] <Guest50312> http://pastebin.com/ZNrdthMC
[12:07] <soee_> Guest50312: no idea i never hd this problem
[12:11] <BluesKaj> I thought there already was an efi partition on the machine at purchase, and linux has to install grub on it , is this correct?
[12:22] <Guest50312> i do have an efi partition
[12:22] <Guest50312> i also have my bios set for "insecure boot"
[12:23] <BluesKaj> I'm not sure , but i think it should be secure for efi mode
[12:24] <Guest50312> maybe, but 14.04 and 14.10 never complained
[12:25] <Guest50312> its something specific to the installer in vivid 15.04
[12:42] <BluesKaj> perhaps  Guest50312 , I didn't fool around with efi when I got my laptop , just wiped the whole hdd clean then partitioned to ntfs and ext4 for dual booting W7 and Kubuntu, because at the time there was so much trouble with linux on efi I decided to bypass the problem entirely.
[12:55] <Guest50312> BluesKaj: i also whiped windows off and went straight linux. i have been windowless since about 2000
[12:56] <Guest50312> but this is also the first laptop i've had that has efi, so on my previous installations, as i mentioned earlier, 14.04 and 14.10 i was able to install with efi partition no prob. now vivid is beta 2 and ubi-partman crashes on efi
[12:57] <BluesKaj> yes, I understand a lot of users are reluctant to drop uefi since linux has mostly solved the installation problems with it 
[12:57] <Guest50312> right
[12:57] <Guest50312> what i'm trying now is just deleting the efi partition and see if that will work
[12:58] <Guest50312> since i am booting insecurely, i should be ok
[12:58] <BluesKaj> it should work, that's what's puzzling about your crashes
[12:59] <Guest50312> but that doesnt really address the installer crashing on efi
[12:59] <Guest50312> well, i gave the link to pastebin
[12:59] <Guest50312> that shows the log of what happened
[13:20] <BluesKaj> Guest50312, beta 2 is available in the dailies , maybe you'll have better luck with it
[13:23] <Guest50312> ty BluesKaj, thats where i got this image from
[13:31] <sitter> Riddell: the touchpad kcm is weirdly broken or something
[13:31] <sitter> cmake that is
[13:31] <Riddell> oh?
[13:31] <Riddell> I just took a screenshot of it, can't be that broken
[13:33] <sitter> what the fuck
[13:36] <sitter> I am going so mad about this fucking plunder repos with everything and the kitchen sink in it
[13:36] <yofel> which one? ^^
[13:37] <yofel> we have a couple kitchen sinks..
[13:37] <shadeslayer> where? I don't think I've seen one in the office for over a year and a half
[13:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^ get it ? :P
[13:38] <yofel> shadeslayer: how the hell do you guys endure summer in the office? ^^
[13:38] <shadeslayer> we have AC's but no sinks xD
[13:39] <yofel> ah, that works too ^^
[13:39] <Riddell> ACs that sometimes work, but indeed no sink, if you have a spare one send it this way
[13:45] <ovidiu-florin> KDESVN is not available in vivid
[13:45] <sitter> Riddell: I don't get why plasma-sdk is in workspace btw
[13:46] <Riddell> sitter: is it?
[13:46] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: I'm afraid it overlapped with something in kf5 land
[13:47] <sitter> Riddell: getting released with workspace makes it a workspace thing, no?
[13:47] <Riddell> sitter: getting released with plasma makes it a plasma thing
[13:47] <Riddell> there is no workspace thing
[13:48] <sitter> right
[13:48] <sitter> so why does my mom's plasma need an sdk?
[13:48] <xennex81> mom jokes on the way
[13:48] <xennex81> :p
[13:48] <sitter> I hereby herald the return of kde sc because there officially is no more distinction between frameworks, plasma and apps
[13:48] <Riddell> I doubt it goes, but if she wants to write a plasmoid she knows where to go
[13:49] <Riddell> s/goes/does/
[13:49] <kubotu_> Riddell meant: "I doubt it does, but if she wants to write a plasmoid she knows where to go"
[14:24] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: any idea what? 
[14:25] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: kiosvn I think
[14:39] <soee_> Riddell: so who shoudl i ping to make nvidia propriety drivers work in 15.04 ?
[14:40] <Riddell> soee_: tseliot on #ubuntu-devel (alberto) is the dude who's been working on it
[15:05] <ovidiu-florin> I love working in Beta :D I get lot's of updates
[15:05]  * ovidiu-florin is an update addict
[15:20] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: +1 :)
[15:32] <sgclark> morning
[15:33] <soee_> good mornign sgclark
[15:36] <Riddell> sgclark!
[15:36] <Riddell> hola chica
[15:36] <sgclark> hi :)
[15:36] <yofel> moin
[15:37] <sgclark> anyone get to applications? I have some time today if not
[15:38] <Riddell> sgclark: we have kf5, apps (backports) and plasma 5.3 beta backports to do
[15:38] <Riddell> I guess kf5 is the highest priority as that could maybe still go into the archive
[15:39] <sgclark> okies I will start with kf5 and go from there
[15:45] <Riddell> sgclark: thanks :)
[15:45] <Riddell> sgclark: I think that'll need kubuntu_unstable merged in
[15:45] <Riddell> sgclark: oh and modemmanager is new but needs plasma-nm patched for it
[15:45] <sgclark> Riddell: yeah rounding up sitter emails and the gem script he gave me
[15:46] <sgclark> patched?
[15:46] <Riddell> https://www.kde.org/announcements/kde-frameworks-5.9.0.php plasma-nm patch there
[15:46] <sgclark> Riddell: ok
[15:46] <Riddell> modemmanager was previously part of plasma
[15:47] <sgclark> right
[15:52] <soee_> sgclark: i can always do tests :)
[15:52] <sgclark> :)
[15:52] <sgclark> will be a few, I have to update my chroots etc
[16:02] <ovidiu-florin> quick vote: how would you feel about spliting the community page in Contribute and Support?
[16:02] <ovidiu-florin> http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/community/
[16:04] <yofel> wouldn't that duplicate support content? contribute OTOH could probably be folded into community though
[16:07] <yofel> hm, wait, support is already only linked (ask ubuntu is also community though..)
[16:07] <ovidiu-florin> contribute is a more call to action term
[16:07] <soee_> @ frontpage, i would replace the first icon (download) with something else, and put a big Download button in banner section
[16:08] <soee_> one sec, ill show you one of my old drafts
[16:08] <yofel> why not make the banner a link?
[16:09] <soee_> https://cloud.soee.pl/index.php/s/3w9ehEhlvpvwBgw
[16:10] <soee_> yofel: i woudl also separat ebanner image (us eonly backgorund) and put text on separate layer
[16:10] <yofel> that could work
[16:11] <yofel> FWIW, if you want a green download button, you might as well color the Download entry in the navbar green
[16:12] <Riddell> sgclark: the most time consuming part of frameworks is that launchpad isn't clever enough to work out the retries so you need to run ./kubuntu-retry-builds to fix it (see README)
[16:13] <yofel> hm, that looks ugly tough -.-
[16:13] <sgclark> Riddell: okies
[16:13] <yofel> soee_: is the banner intentionally that huge? On my 1600x900 notebook the only text I see at first is the navbar and the banner... the icons below are too far down
[16:14] <soee_> yofel: ithink banner shoudl be the main element visible on frontpage when user hits it
[16:14] <yofel> Riddell: does updating kf5 to 5.9 in vivid actually fix any serious bugs? Or what use case does it have less than a week before final freeze...?
[16:14] <soee_> and it shudl contain text about current kubuntu version and maybe some motto + button to download page 
[16:15] <yofel> soee_: not arguing against that, but what I see is https://kyofel.de/owncloud/index.php/s/mqX2uqmrEQikaK8
[16:15] <yofel> which... doesn't feel quite right
[16:16] <yofel> (ignore the green at the top ^^)
[16:19] <soee_> well the banner could be even bigger imo
[16:20] <soee_> example http://www.gt3themes.com/website-templates/groutek/home_type4.html
[16:20] <Riddell> yofel: it's 0.1 better?  it means we can backport plasma without worrying about backporting frameworks with it?
[16:21] <yofel> soee_: that would be better, yeah
[16:21] <Riddell> yofel: even if it doesn't go in it's not like it's wasting scarlett's time it'll go into backports ppa
[16:21] <Riddell> infact it could go into backports backports
[16:21] <yofel> Riddell: sure, didn't argue about that. My hair just stands up if I read uploads with patchery so close to release...
[16:28] <soee_> Riddell: when this patch from tseliot might land in vivid ?
[16:31] <Riddell> soee_: when someone adds it, my head's pretty broken just now so I can't right now
[16:34] <soee_> why broken :) ?
[16:42] <Riddell> soee_: oh randomness of a head with a head injury, but it's friday evening so I guess it knows I've been spending too long on the plasma 5.3 announcement
[16:42] <soee_> take a break :)
[16:45] <Riddell> mm, now you mention it, good idea :)
[17:01] <sgclark> Riddell: gosh I am so freaking confused on all this merge stuff, I merge unstable to backport sor what ? where? sigh
[17:04]  * soee_ wonders why it is so complicated :)
[17:04] <sgclark> I am sure it isn't but I have had my kde hat on for too long and fell behind
[17:14] <sgclark> ok I hate ruby
[17:15] <shadeslayer> :O
[17:15] <shadeslayer> why
[17:16] <sgclark> I am alway missing gems and can't sort how where to get them
[17:16] <sgclark> error pft
[17:17] <sgclark> wtf
[17:17] <yofel> ruby has no virtualenv?
[17:17] <sgclark> everytime I try to install a gem I get package metadata is missing two seperate computers now
[17:17] <sgclark> again I hate ruby
[17:18] <sgclark> all I want to do is run this merge script :(
[17:19] <Riddell> sgclark: for frameworks it's just kubuntu_unstable into kubuntu_vivid_archive
[17:20] <yofel> why is it unstable for a released version of frameworks o.O?
[17:20] <Riddell> soee_: it's complex because there's kde stable and unstable, frameworks, plasma and applications and ubuntu vivid and 14.10
[17:20] <Riddell> so that's a lot of combinations
[17:20] <yofel> oh right, frameworks has no branches
[17:21] <yofel> shadeslayer: could one of you CI people please make a README for the branch merging? 
[17:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: https://community.kde.org/images.community/a/a5/Kubuntu_CI_Mergeflow.png
[17:22] <sgclark> Riddell: okies, well I can't even get this script to work
[17:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/CI#Merges
[17:23] <Riddell> sgclark: kubuntu-initial-upload does already have a git merge command in it, it's not well tested but it should merge while packaging
[17:24] <sgclark> Riddell: ahh lovely
[17:24] <sgclark> thanks
[17:24] <Riddell> just needs a -b unstable (I hope)
[17:26] <yofel> shadeslayer: ok, that's something at least
[17:27] <yofel> Riddell: that's not the correct error handling... or do you really log the whole script output and grep for what couldn't be merged?
[17:28] <yofel> I'm curious what your workflow is there..
[17:29] <sgclark> shadeslayer: logger/colors ? what can I install to make that available to ruby
[17:30] <sgclark> colorize did nothing, ruby-color did nothing
[17:31] <Riddell> yofel: in kubuntu-initial-upload ? I really don't know I just added it quickly one time and only used it once
[17:32] <yofel> Riddell, sgclark: this should work a bit better http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation/revision/519
[17:33] <sgclark> yofel: ty
[17:33] <yofel> Riddell: ah ok
[18:14] <shadeslayer> sgclark: you need logger-colors
[18:14] <shadeslayer> sgclark: y u no bundler up
[18:14] <sgclark> bundler up?
[18:14] <shadeslayer> just cd into pangea-tooling, gem install bundler, bundler up
[18:15] <shadeslayer> auto installs all the thuings
[18:15] <shadeslayer> *things
[18:15] <shadeslayer> sgclark: and use rvm to manage ruby on your machine
[18:15] <sgclark> ahh okies, guess it is high time I sit down and learn ruby
[18:15] <sgclark> ty
[18:15] <shadeslayer> I have 3 ruby's installed
[18:15] <shadeslayer> from ubuntu, ruby 2.2.1 and ruby from git
[18:16] <sgclark> yeah I have rvm installed on desktop, still could not get things working
[18:16] <shadeslayer> sgclark: rvm help install ?
[18:16] <sgclark> for whatever reason when the script fails I cannot install any gems etc it always fails with missing metadat $scriptname
[18:17] <sgclark> metadata*
[18:18] <sgclark> I don't understand why it keeps going to the failed script to install gems
[18:18] <shadeslayer> got a log for me?
[18:18] <sgclark> or using it in some way. it is nowhere in the command
[18:18] <sgclark> shadeslayer: hmm does ruby log somehwhere?
[18:19] <shadeslayer> sgclark: just give me stdout
[18:20] <sgclark> shadeslayer: paste.ubuntu.com/10793430
[18:23] <shadeslayer> why are you trying to run agem
[18:23] <shadeslayer> wait what
[18:23] <shadeslayer> that looks weird
[18:23] <shadeslayer> sgclark: oh and : export GEM_HOME=$(ruby -e 'print Gem.user_dir')
[18:24] <sgclark> shadeslayer: that is the script sitter gave me for merging ci
[18:24] <shadeslayer> where is it
[18:25] <sgclark> shadeslayer: let me email it to you, it was a paste I have no longer the link
[18:25] <shadeslayer> ok
[18:26] <yofel> why... do we need a seperate script for that o.O?
[18:27] <sgclark> perhaps we don't , we'll see how my initial upload went
[18:27] <sgclark> or goes
[18:27] <sgclark> when I find ecm that is
[18:28] <sgclark> shadeslayer: and for what its worth I can no longer install any gems on either computer now
[18:29] <sgclark> oh patch.. right
[18:29] <Riddell> sgclark: ecm changed version numbers so now it matches frameworks
[18:29] <Riddell> maybe something needs to be removed for that
[18:30] <sgclark> ahh
[18:30] <shadeslayer> sgclark: 0.o
[18:30] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[18:35] <sgclark> Riddell: some clarity please, dfaure says to patch plasma-nm but that is not a framework. What am I patching here?
[18:37] <Riddell> sgclark: patch plasma-nm if modemmanager-qt 5.9 is used with it
[18:37] <Riddell> modemmanager-qt changed for frameworks so plasma-nm has to be changed with it
[18:44] <ahoneybun> Riddell: you said that USB creator is not working?
[18:44] <Riddell> ahoneybun: usually not no :(
[18:45] <ahoneybun> Riddell: what about using k3b?
[18:45]  * Riddell half hopes prth can fix it as part of the gsoc project
[18:45] <Riddell> ahoneybun: that works fine for cd/dvds I think
[18:45] <ahoneybun> and dd for usb?
[18:45] <Riddell> yeah 
[18:45] <Riddell> which is rubbish as a user experience
[18:45] <ahoneybun> was going to start writing docs for creating installation media
[18:45] <Riddell> there's some other UIs but they're not great
[18:45] <Riddell> yay :)
[18:46] <Riddell> windows maybe has something
[18:46]  * prth would love to :)
[18:46] <Riddell> valorie pointed to a linux one that maybe works
[18:46] <ahoneybun> going to write it from scratch mostly
[18:46] <ahoneybun> might take a bit from the ubuntu wiki
[18:47] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I could not log into the akademy talk thing
[18:48] <Riddell> ahoneybun: what are you trying to do?
[18:49] <Riddell> hi leyyin_ 
[18:49] <leyyin_> hi
[18:49] <ahoneybun> Riddell: was trying to log in to maybe registar a talk 
[18:49] <ahoneybun> was using the same KDE Idenity as userbase
[18:50] <Riddell> kde identity should work, but talks closed a couple of weeks ago
[18:50] <Riddell> ask d_ed if you want to submit one now
[18:51] <ahoneybun> Riddell: you said that they needed more
[18:52] <Riddell> ahoneybun: I don't know if they do now but they might
[18:55] <ahoneybun> ok
[18:59] <Peace-> :)) hi 
[19:00] <ahoneybun> hey Peace-
[19:00] <Peace-> ahoneybun: Hey
[19:04] <soee_> hiho lazy Peace- :D
[19:13] <ahoneybun> Riddell: https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Installation
[19:18] <Peace-> soee_: :D splitted the plasmoid in 4 :D
[19:37] <Peace-> soee_: updated  http://kde-apps.org/CONTENT/content-pre2/169633-2.jpeg
[19:38] <soee_> $-.-$
[19:39] <soee_> Riddell: so the patch is merged into sddm master, whats now ? :D
[19:40] <Riddell> now I upload it to ubuntu vivid
[19:41] <soee_> +!
[19:41] <soee_> +1
[19:41] <Riddell> soee_: watch it compile away https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sddm/0.11.0-0ubuntu10
[19:51] <llucas__> hi everyone, some time ago Jonathan Riddell asked me about making a promo video of Kubuntu 15.04, so my question is what would you like to see here?
[19:54] <soee_> Riddell: ^
[19:55] <soee_> llucas__: i think present system in current verion
[19:55] <soee_> brb, Riddell testing sddm after this patches
[19:58] <llucas__> soee_ well but the time of the video is rather limited, so I would like to know more details first ;)
[19:59] <ahoneybun> llucas__: I would like to see dolphin being used (as it is awesome)
[19:59] <soee> i think there shoudl be 2 versions, one not longer thn 2 min, and one ~ 5-10 min
[20:00] <soee> so teh shortes wuld be liek promo video, second showing features more detailed
[20:01] <ahoneybun> soee: llucas__a prime example would be that features video for Antergos
[20:02] <soee> promo video with boring begining https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ7kqwbqeiI
[20:02] <soee> but from ~ 20 seconds it is fine
[20:03] <llucas__> Unfortunately my time is also limited, and i am afraid that we must focus on one video
[20:04] <soee> brb going to break my system problably, after nvidia drivers has been installed 
[20:05] <llucas__> would you mind to post a link to this antegros video?
[20:05] <llucas__> ahoneybun?
[20:05] <Riddell> ooh llucas__ 
[20:05] <Riddell> hi
[20:05] <llucas__> hi
[20:06] <Riddell> thanks for coming by
[20:06] <llucas__> no problem
[20:06] <Riddell> really sorry I haven't got in touch more
[20:07] <llucas__> yeah I know that pain, to little time for everything ;)
[20:08] <Riddell> llucas__: 2 weeks until release
[20:08] <Riddell> llucas__: first major distro with plasma 5
[20:08] <Riddell> so it's mostly a video about how great plasma 5 is that we want
[20:08] <Peace-> Riddell: mmm it s not a good release i have to say 
[20:08] <Riddell> Peace-: oh wheesht, it's going to be awesome
[20:08] <Peace-> Riddell: crash a lots
[20:08] <llucas__> Riddell so what features of kubuntu I should promote?
[20:09] <llucas__> guys please be more specific ;)
[20:09] <Riddell> llucas__: let's pick some highlights from https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma5.0/ https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.1/ https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.2.0.php
[20:10] <Riddell> and https://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-applications-14.12.3.php
[20:11] <Riddell> llucas__: so a) technical bits rewritten with qt 5, frameworks 5 and QML (don't dwell on that but it's nice to set the scene for those who know)
[20:11] <Peace-> for me , like always stability it s the first thing
[20:11] <Peace-> and yeah plasma 5 it s nice but not stable
[20:12] <tuv0k> I wonder if well see the addition of most of the plasma widgets from the 4x series. The weather wallpaper desktop, system monitor widgets. They all seem to be missing now. But I'd play up the new design, and stability, when stabilty arrives.
[20:12] <Peace-> users are going to be mad like  before
[20:12] <llucas__> Yes I can do it, but there will not be much time for corrections, and if there will be something you do not like, time may be pressing 
[20:12] <Riddell> llucas__: b) shiny new artwork, breeze widget and icon theme
[20:12] <llucas__> ok
[20:13] <Peace-> Riddell: and in task manager you can-t understand a thing because it-s all grey
[20:13] <Peace-> ...
[20:13] <Riddell> llucas__: c) muon discover your app centre
[20:13] <Peace-> when you minimize icons on dolphin the icons became monocrome
[20:14] <Peace-> and it-s  a no sense
[20:14] <llucas__> ahh muon discover this is not good example
[20:14] <Riddell> llucas__: slick integration of systray panels
[20:15] <Riddell> llucas__: kdeconnect by default makes your phone work with your desktop
[20:17] <Riddell> llucas__: krunner, alt-space to search for files, play/pause music, do calculator..
[20:19] <llucas__> something else?
[20:22] <Riddell> llucas__: applications all up to date, krita bling to draw pretty stuff, kdenlive for videos, nifty plasma widgets
[20:24] <llucas__> ok I think that will be enough for 2 minutes ;)
[20:25] <llucas__> btw what iso should i download (daily or beta 2)?
[20:26] <ahoneybun> llucas__: Beta 2 is darn solid
[20:26] <llucas__> ok so I will download beta 2 then
[20:28] <llucas__> as I understand it is possible to install nvidia drivers (needed for screen recording)?
[20:28] <ahoneybun> llucas__: its possible
[20:28] <ahoneybun> I just have not
[20:29] <ahoneybun> has I have need for nvidia prime
[20:30] <Riddell> ahoneybun: I just uploaded a probably fix for nvidia prime https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sddm/0.11.0-0ubuntu10
[20:31] <llucas__>  thanks everyone i will try to show something asap
[20:35] <llucas__> see you later ;)
[20:37] <Riddell> ahoneybun: nice start on https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Installation but also needs instructions for if using windows or mac or another distro
[20:37] <Riddell> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows might help but needs checking the instructions are sane
[20:38] <Riddell> valorie: what's the make a usb app you use?
[20:38] <Peace-> it's not  at pendrivelinux.com 
[20:38] <Peace-> ?
[20:40] <Riddell> Peace-: that just points to usb-creator which doesn't work very well
[20:40] <Riddell> https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Create_a_Live_USB_stick_using_Windows might have other ideas
[20:40] <Riddell> but really all distros are crap at this
[20:40] <Riddell> which is weird
[20:50] <mparillo> For making a USB on Windows, I use unetbootin.
[20:54] <darthanubis> have to, can't do it on *buntus anymore
[20:55] <darthanubis> also my montiors no longer sleep
[20:56] <ahoneybun> Riddell: thanks about both nvidia prime and the docs
[20:56] <soee> Riddell: propriety drivers makes booting ends with black screen
[20:56] <ahoneybun> it is just a starting point
[20:56] <soee> also dunnow why .Xauthorite get root rights and i couldnt login
[20:57] <soee> *.Xauthority
[21:02] <darthanubis> still can't logout
[21:03] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sddm/+bug/1407152
[21:13] <valorie> Riddell: last time, I used unetbootin
[21:13] <valorie> before that I found some script an Ubuntuforums fellow had creatted, that was a front end to DD
[21:13] <valorie> created
[21:14] <valorie> rather scary to use DD -- I'm not confident enough
[21:16] <Riddell> valorie: right, I not too happy to advise it either, one letter wrong and bang goes your hard disk
[21:16] <Riddell> ahoneybun: investigate unetbootin ?
[21:36] <xennex81> darthanubis: I have the same problem when Installed Kubuntu 15.04 via Dist-Upgrade
[21:39] <xennex81> Jonathan Riddell I see you have been dealing with the bug as well....
[21:40] <xennex81> i had this after dist-upgrade from 14.10, never had it in alpha 2
[21:40] <xennex81> I never knew how to kill sddm-helper
[21:40] <xennex81> at least that is helpful
[21:40] <xennex81> for the next time
[21:47] <sgclark> Riddell: that patch failed..
[21:49] <Riddell> sgclark: for plasma-nm?
[21:49] <sgclark> yep
[21:51]  * Riddell tries
[21:53] <Riddell> sgclark: works ok here, some fuzz that needs a quilt refresh
[21:53] <Riddell> sgclark: what's the problem?
[21:54] <sgclark> what do you mean ? quilt refresh here just sayss no patches applied
[22:00] <Riddell> sgclark: what have you done to the package?
[22:01] <sgclark> I only added the patch and ran git-package build whatever ppa
[22:02] <sgclark> I guess I need to do a full debuild?
[22:02] <sgclark> sorry distracted
[22:03] <Riddell> oh there's fuzz so you will need to refresh
[22:03] <Riddell> apt-get source plasma-nm
[22:03] <Riddell> add patch into debian/patches
[22:03] <Riddell> add to debian/patches/series
[22:03] <Riddell> quilt push
[22:03] <Riddell> quilt refresh
[22:04] <Riddell> then take and put it into the git archive
[22:04] <Riddell> or work out how to use git-buildpackage to get a shell
[22:04] <Riddell> I don't think I've worked that one out, git-buildpackage still confuses me
[22:17] <sgclark> okies ty
[22:27] <ahoneybun> Riddell: getting there https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Installation
[22:34] <mparillo> ahoneybun: Looks awesome. I love screenshots, but especially for dd (https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Installation#USB.27s.2FFlash_Drives_2) some text I can cut and paste might be nice.
[22:37] <mparillo> This is not targeted at old unix folks, right? So the root versus sudo thing is not appropriate. I like the way you say that the password you enter is used for certain tasks (alas, connecting to my wireless with every boot).
[22:39] <ahoneybun> mparillo: for ubuntu based sudo would be included
[22:39] <ahoneybun> but for other distros or setups just doing su and then run the command  would work
[22:40] <ahoneybun> most of the new user docs cover sudo so I think it is needed
[22:41] <ahoneybun> mparillo: https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Installation#USB.27s.2FFlash_Drives_2
[22:48] <Riddell> ahoneybun++
[22:55] <ahoneybun> :)
[23:12] <valorie> ahoneybun: I have a suggestion for the DD image -- use a real path instead of path/to/iso etc.
[23:13] <valorie> I get far too many people in #kubuntu using path/to/whatever instead of an actual path
[23:13] <valorie> but they instantly get it if I show a real path
[23:19] <valorie> I made a few minor edits
[23:19] <valorie> it looks great overall
[23:26] <ovidiu-florin> do we have any other social profiles? Excepl Facebook, Google+ Twitter and LinkedIn ?
[23:28] <sgclark> pft I can never get retry builds to work..
[23:29] <ovidiu-florin> check out the bottom of: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/community/
[23:40] <mparillo> ahoneybun: Thank you. I am still not brave enough for dd, but others might be with that example.
[23:42] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: I don't think we ever made a pump.io
[23:43] <valorie> and the preceeding thing is dead..... open source twitter or whatever that was
[23:43] <valorie> do you think we need reddit? HN?
[23:44] <valorie> that's a nice Community page
[23:46] <sgclark> diaspora?
[23:49] <valorie> ah, I forgot that
[23:49] <valorie> I set it up, but then it just sat
[23:49] <valorie> I think it was a solution looking for a problem
[23:56] <elky> valorie: statusnet/identica?