[05:19] <Guest50312> i'm in the live image, using it now, of kubuntu 15.04, and the installer crashes on efi as per this bug report; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1428877 how do i work around it or fix it
[09:19] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:16] <Dry_Lips> furkan: I used to have lag with KDE running on older hardware, but I haven't noticed lag with (relatively) new computers running proprietary drivers..
[11:33] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:42] <chotaz`w> how do I "upgrade" to a beta release?
[11:43] <maxb> update-manager -c -d
[11:43] <BluesKaj> !upgrade
[12:54] <lolcat> hello
[12:54] <lolcat> What kernel in 15.04?
[12:55] <MoonUnit`> 3.19
[13:04] <lolcat> MoonUnit`: is it a good kernel?
[13:04] <lolcat> MoonUnit`: is it faster than 3.16?
[13:05] <MoonUnit`> no idea, using 4.0-rc's
[13:05] <MoonUnit`> 4.0 has decent fan control for my radeon card.
[14:26] <knittl> hi. I'm using gnome-shell and after resuming from standby, shortcuts stop working (i.e. super-t, super-l, volume buttons). Is there a related bug report/fix?
[14:56] <Erthe> Does someone have a link I can visit with the list of open bugs in the 15.04 Kubuntu?
[14:56] <Erthe> Trying to determine if I'd be logging a duplicate.
[14:57] <MoonUnit`> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structural_subscriber=&field.
[14:57] <MoonUnit`> milestone%3Alist=68119&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.tag=kubuntu&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_no_package.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&
[14:57] <MoonUnit`> field.has_no_blueprints=on&search=Search
[14:57] <MoonUnit`> eek, maybe i should shorten that
[14:58] <MoonUnit`> Erthe: http://bit.ly/1FI2ojh
[14:59] <Erthe> MoonUnit`: Thanks :D
[15:04] <Erthe> OK, so I have a bug that does not provide a crash report dialog; however, something is very much failing.
[15:05] <Erthe> ie. I can't use ubuntu-bug either
[15:09] <MoonUnit`> noticed their was a apport-kde update today, try updating and trying ubuntu-bug again
[15:10] <Erthe> apport-kde crashed on me, logged a bug against it.
[15:11] <Erthe> The bug I'm experiencing is when using web shortcuts or entering a URL directly into the Alt-F2 dialog I receive a message involving permissions and kioexec
[15:12] <MoonUnit`> hmm just tried via alt-f2 worked here, i'm using kubuntu 15.04.
[15:13] <Erthe> I'm on Kubuntu 15.04 Beta 2
[15:13] <Erthe> It also happens if I click a link in Konversation
[15:15] <lolcat> if I upgrade to 15.04 will I have to dist upgrade again when it goes out of beta?
[15:16] <MoonUnit`> Erthe: in default applications i had to set 'Web Browser' to to firefox, annoying problems with chrome taking over.
[15:16] <Erthe> https://www.dropbox.com/s/19pq8493jy1380o/crash.png?dl=0
[15:16] <MoonUnit`> lolcat: yes
[15:16] <Erthe> That's the initial error
[15:17] <lolcat> MoonUnit`: hm
[15:17] <Erthe> https://www.dropbox.com/s/twvabuewv2b95nl/crash2.png?dl=0
[15:17] <Erthe> And then this one.
[15:17] <Erthe> MoonUnit`: Oh... I use Google Chrome as well.
[15:18] <Erthe> Let me see if that'll fix that.
[15:19] <MoonUnit`> try checking these to see if they are set to firefox too.
[15:19] <MoonUnit`> sudo update-alternatives --config gnome-www-browser
[15:19] <MoonUnit`> sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[15:20] <lolcat> does zfs work in 15.04?
[15:21] <lolcat> *** Please make sure the kmod spl devel <kernel> package for your
[15:21] <lolcat> wat?
[15:23] <Erthe> Ohhh, weird.  The default application for text/html was winebrowser
[15:23] <lordievader> Hihi
[15:24] <MoonUnit`> hi
[15:24] <lordievader> That was a laugh, not a 2x hi :P
[15:24] <MoonUnit`> heh
[15:26] <Erthe> OK, I can use Chrome without issue; just wondering why the default was winebrowser
[15:29] <MoonUnit`> probably due to windows .URL files.
[15:34] <lolcat> I am trying to upgrade
[15:34] <lolcat> it says /boot needs more free space
[15:34] <lolcat> wat to do?
[15:34] <lordievader> lolcat: Clean it up (through your package manager) or repartition.
[15:34] <lordievader> Resize partitions I mean. How large is your /boot?
[15:35] <lolcat> /dev/sda2                        237M  157M    68M   70% /boot
[15:35] <lolcat> this is the last time I trust the installer to set up lvm
[15:36] <lolcat> lordievader: what command to remove the old kernel stuff?
[15:36] <lolcat> initrd.img-3.13.0-19-generic, initrd.img-3.16.0-33-generic and initrd.img-3.16.0-34-generic is useless
[15:36] <lordievader> lolcat: apt-get purge linux-image-<version>-generic
[15:37] <lordievader> lolcat: 240M is quite small.
[15:37] <lordievader> Should be fine for ~3 kernels.
[15:38] <lolcat> File descriptor 65 (/dev/pts/12) leaked on vgs invocation. Parent PID 17712: /usr/sbin/grub-probe
[15:38] <lolcat> lordievader: the installer is crap and it wouldn't let me manually partition properly so I just gave up
[15:39] <lolcat> but purging just one was enough to be able to install vivid
[15:40] <lolcat> fingers crossed for zfs working
[15:40] <lordievader> lolcat: The text-based installer lets you do what ever you want ;)
[15:40] <Erthe> lolcat: I always setup my own partitions manually.
[15:40] <Erthe> lolcat: No distro installer does it the way I like it.
[15:40] <lolcat> I don't like partitions, /home on zfs and everything else on / with no swap
[15:41] <Erthe> No offense to the *ubuntu folks
[15:42] <Erthe> I don't use swap either with the SSD.
[15:42] <lolcat> I don't mind swap, but then I would put it on a sparsefile or on zfs
[15:42] <Erthe> I'm sure that 16Gb of RAM is enough.
[15:43] <Erthe> I barely reach 3GB at my busiest.
[15:43] <lolcat> my / is a SSD, and my /home is on a HDD. And yes, 16gb ram is sufficient.
[15:43] <Erthe> My / is an 128Gb SSD and my /home is a 500Gb SSD.  Simple setup.
[15:44] <lolcat> I have a 60GB ssd
[15:44] <lolcat> 750gb hdd
[15:44] <lolcat> Erthe: I have more gigabytes than you1
[15:44] <Erthe> lolcat: Well, I have a HAF-XM box with two x docks; have a 1TB HDD in there for large files.
[15:45] <Erthe> lolcat: It's NTFS though, shared with my Win7 install.
[15:45] <lolcat> Erthe: I have an icy box with two 3tb harddrive
[15:45] <lolcat> upgrade started
[15:45] <lolcat> cant wait for bleeding edge
[15:46] <Erthe> I'm loving Kubuntu 15.04 so far.
[15:46] <Erthe> Dying for a port of QtCurve to KF5 though.
[15:47] <knittl> is there a bug report related to shortcuts stopping to work after resume from suspend
[15:59] <lolcat> Erthe: I use xubunut or ubunut I think, but I only use i3wm
[16:00] <Erthe> lolcat: I've been running/following KDE since version 0.9x; there was a time I ran WindowMaker or BlackBox due to system constraints for memory/CPU, but these days that's hardly an obstacle.
[16:00] <lolcat> Erthe: I just found out I hate menus, and I hate windows
[16:01] <lolcat> i3wm has neither
[16:01] <lordievader> i3 is quite nice.
[16:01] <lordievader> Still I use KDE :P
[16:02] <lolcat> but it has too many things
[16:02] <Erthe> It comes down to what the environment provides on a daily basis and how tightly knit all of the elements are.
[16:03] <Erthe> No desktop environment is perfect for everyone.
[16:04] <lordievader> True that.
[16:05] <Erthe> I think the only beef I've had with KDE since Plasma is the damned peanut.
[16:05] <lordievader> Hehe
[16:05] <Erthe> And in Plasma 5 I can't get it to rest in a corner.
[16:07] <MoonUnit`> Erthe: yeah top left was annoying for me, moved the cashew to top right.
[16:07] <MoonUnit`> get nicely covered up by the browser now.
[16:08] <Erthe> No matter where it is, I can get to everything I need without it.  I honestly don't think I ever use it.
[16:08] <Erthe> I wish I could disable the damned thing :D
[16:19] <Erthe> bbiab.
[18:21] <massiveblue> Hello, i have a boot issue with ubuntu gnome vivid, grub2. Freshly installed sys, last installed package: fglrx-driver I also have a BootInfo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10793356/ I only see the grey rectangle after BIOS and nothing happens. What can I do to debug this?
[18:24] <BluesKaj> massiveblue, maybe use the default driver 'til you fihgure out why fglrx isn't working
[18:25] <furkan> would anybody else with a radeon card (southern islands) using the open-source driver mind checking if they can reproduce this glitch: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/1440602
[18:25] <massiveblue> BluesKaj: i cant start even with the opensource-driver
[18:26] <furkan> massiveblue: which card?
[18:26] <BluesKaj> massiveblue,  xserver-xorg-video-ati doesn't work ?
[18:27] <massiveblue> furkan: Radeon HD5770
[18:28] <massiveblue> BluesKaj: it worked, then i installed fglrx, machine doesnt boot, i started live sys, chrooted and removed fglrx, ran update-grub, but the machine doesnt boot
[18:28] <furkan> strange that it wouldn't start with the open source driver
[18:28] <massiveblue> i think there is a problem with my grub
[18:28] <furkan> ah
[18:29] <furkan> here's an idea
[18:29] <furkan> i had a similar issue
[18:29] <furkan> boot into a recovery terminal, and type in
[18:29] <furkan> dpkg -l | grep fglrx
[18:29] <furkan> and then apt-get remove --purge all the remaining packages that you see
[18:29] <furkan> there should be 3 of them
[18:30] <furkan> it's not enough to remove, you need to remove --purge (at least that's what i have to do)
[18:30] <furkan> if you only remove, it leaves some configuration files behind, which screws things up
[18:30] <massiveblue> ok, how to get into "recovery terminal"? i have a live-cd which i can boot and chroot into my environment
[18:30] <furkan> no need
[18:31] <furkan> at your GRUB menu, go to advanced options
[18:31] <furkan> and choose the 3.19 recovery mode option
[18:31] <furkan> and then you'll be presented with another menu, choose root shell
[18:31] <massiveblue> the grub menu is the problem, i see grey rectangle, no entries and also it doesnt react on keyboard inputs
[18:32] <furkan> oh...
[18:32] <massiveblue> i could take a photo and upload it
[18:32] <furkan> when you removed fglrx from the chrooted environment, how did you do it?
[18:33] <massiveblue> from chrooted env, aptitude remove
[18:33] <furkan> probably worthwhile trying the purge from the chrooted environment then
[18:33] <furkan> but i'm not sure if it will fix your grub
[18:33] <furkan> maybe you also need to run an update-grub
[18:34] <massiveblue> ok, i will give it a try
[18:34] <furkan> actually, do run an update-grub
[18:34] <furkan> after you've purged fglrx
[18:36] <massiveblue> root@ubuntu-gnome:~# mount -o subvol=@ /dev/sda1 /mnt/
[18:36] <massiveblue> root@ubuntu-gnome:~# mount -o bind /dev/ /mnt/dev/
[18:36] <massiveblue> root@ubuntu-gnome:~# mount -o bind /sys/ /mnt/sys/
[18:36] <massiveblue> root@ubuntu-gnome:~# mount -o bind /proc/ /mnt/proc/
[18:36] <massiveblue> root@ubuntu-gnome:~# cp /proc/mounts /mnt/etc/mtab
[18:36] <massiveblue> cp: ‘/proc/mounts’ and ‘/mnt/etc/mtab’ are the same file
[18:36] <massiveblue> root@ubuntu-gnome:~# chroot /mnt/
[18:37] <furkan> massiveblue: might wanna pastebin it
[18:39] <massiveblue> ok
[18:42] <massiveblue> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10793608/ looks fine to me
[18:42] <massiveblue> i will try to reboot now
[19:04] <massiveblue> back again, this didnt worked
[19:04] <furkan> no change at all?
[19:05] <furkan> from your pastebin, what was interesting is that the fglrx packages still showed as installed
[19:05] <furkan> even though you tried to remove them before
[19:05] <furkan> the "ii" means they were installed
[19:05] <furkan> i was expecting them to show "rc"
[19:05] <furkan> which means they're removed, but config files are still present
[19:07] <massiveblue> no change at all, i upload a photo where i get stuck
[19:07] <lordievader> massiveblue: How much doesn't boot your machine? Does it show a splash screen?
[19:07] <massiveblue> http://abload.de/image.php?img=img_20150410_204348rvjbf.jpg
[19:08] <massiveblue> lordievader: does the photo-link answer your question?
[19:08] <lordievader> massiveblue: Not really. Unless that should be a splash...
[19:09] <massiveblue> lordievader: it's just a grey rectangle
[19:09] <lordievader> Grey?
[19:09] <massiveblue> lordievader: i dont know if this the grub2 splash screen
[19:09] <lordievader> massiveblue: You don't get to see grub?
[19:09] <massiveblue> yeah, big light grey rectangle, with darker grey border
[19:10] <massiveblue> lordievader: i dont get to menu, no
[19:10] <lordievader> Then it has nothing to do with radeon or fglrx, your grub is most likely broken.
[19:10] <lordievader> You do boot to a drive with grub installed?
[19:11] <massiveblue> lordievader: yes, i only have a single drive installed
[19:11] <furkan> maybe he needs to do this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1581099
[19:11] <lordievader> Fresh install?
[19:12] <massiveblue> installed today
[19:12] <massiveblue> rebooted sometimes successfully
[19:12] <lordievader> So you did have the install running at some point?
[19:13] <massiveblue> last i wanted to switch to fglrx, because of video playback performance, and from there on i cant boot
[19:13] <massiveblue> yes, the system was running already
[19:14] <lordievader> After installing fglrx could you still get into grub?
[19:14] <massiveblue> no
[19:14] <lordievader> That is very odd...
[19:14] <massiveblue> this grey screen isnt from my bios or sr, i think it is from grub!
[19:15] <furkan> well i think installing fglrx does modify the grub config, does it not? because it needs to add the nomodeset option?
[19:15] <lordievader> Are you in a live environment now?
[19:15] <lordievader> furkan: I may hope fglrx does not add that.
[19:15] <lordievader> furkan: fglrx has nothing to do with grub.
[19:15] <massiveblue> i chat from my notebook, the non-booting machine is booted up to installer live cd
[19:16] <lordievader> massiveblue: Right, just to be safe, could you pastebin the install's /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
[19:16] <massiveblue> i remember that i installed microcde-package too
[19:16] <massiveblue> yes, give me some minutes
[19:23] <massiveblue> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10793909/
[19:25] <massiveblue> did i mention that this ubuntu-grome?
[19:26] <lordievader> Is this zfs or something, the /@/ thing.
[19:27] <furkan> in an earlier pastebin it was showing btrfs for his main partition
[19:27] <massiveblue> btrfs
[19:28] <lordievader> Ah, I heard btfs was broken with the kernel Vivid has.
[19:29] <massiveblue> this notebook has vivid gnome btrfs too!
[19:29] <lordievader> Yeah, and that was about the kernel, not grub.
[19:30] <lordievader> However I have no knowledge of BTRFS, or the caveats it has.
[19:30] <massiveblue> ok, thank you
[19:31] <lordievader> One thing you could try is reinstalling grub from the chroot.
[19:35] <furkan> if you don't know how, you can use this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1581099
[19:57] <massiveblue> i reinstalled grub from internet followig the guide in this thread and it still does not boot. :(
[20:02] <lordievader> massiveblue: Still no grub? (Also do you hold shift after the bios?)
[20:03] <massiveblue> holding shift gives me menu! and it boots after selecting default entry!!!
[20:04] <massiveblue> thank you very much! but why is this?
[20:07] <viKKKtor> HI!
[20:07] <viKKKtor> anyone using Kubuntu Vivid?
[20:07] <viKKKtor> I'm haing a very horrible bug
[20:08] <lordievader> massiveblue: Ah, so it probably wasn't grub. But the kernel you saw.
[20:08] <lordievader> viKKKtor: I have it on my thinclient.
[20:16] <massiveblue> good bye, thank you for help
[21:29] <furkan> lordievader: i'm curious now, any explanation for that? what difference did it make that he manually selected the entry instead of letting it boot automatically?
[21:48] <natacus> Anyone been using Kubuntu 15.04 - would like to start using it now for my work - but should I wait?
[23:13] <lordievader> furkan: I don't know. But if grub automatically boots a ~broken kernel and when you get the menu you select something else... might explain things.