[04:45] <pitti> Good morning
[05:20] <Mirv> Trevinho: oh sorry it was on this channel. anyhow, contact ted_g if he was the original lander to land the new superseding MP.
[05:44] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[05:55] <didrocks> good morning
[06:25] <seb128> hey didrocks, happy friday!
[06:28] <didrocks> re seb128! happy friday too
[06:31] <pitti> bonjour seb128 et didrocks, comment allez-vous ?
[06:31] <seb128> salut pitti, ça va bien ! et toi ?
[06:31] <seb128> pitti, joyeux vendredi
[06:32] <pitti> seb128: ça va, merci !
[06:32] <didrocks> pitti: ça va, comment était la glace hier soir ?
[06:32] <pitti> seb128: seulment un demi jour, je dois aller au hotel à Munich ce soir
[06:33] <pitti> didrocks: bien sûr c'était delicieux :)
[06:33] <pitti> didrocks: avez-vous eu de la glace aussi ?
[06:33] <didrocks> pitti: non, juste lundi dernier (dans Lyon, il y a un très bon glacier, mais il est loin)
[06:33] <seb128> pitti, il y a quoi à Munich ?
[06:34] <pitti> seb128: près l'airport
[06:34] <pitti> seb128: mon vol commence à 7:30h demainh
[06:34] <pitti> seb128: alors je dois être à l'airport ~ 5:30
[06:35] <pitti> c'est trop tôt à aller d'Augsburg
[06:35] <seb128> pitti, ah, c'est vrai, tu vas au Texas
[06:35]  * pitti tips his hat and pulls the brim a bit lower
[06:36] <pitti> until then, having fun with usb-modeswitch
[06:36] <pitti> we have an ubuntu patch to rewrite the dispatcher in C, and that doesn't work/crashes with the systemd mode
[06:36] <didrocks> pitti: get ready for a vegetarian-friendly-poor week :)
[06:36] <pitti> didrocks: haha
[06:37] <pitti> "my vegetable has four legs and says 'mooo'" next week..
[06:37] <didrocks> ;)
[06:38] <pitti> didrocks: systemd's autopkgtest still fail in CI on the systemddm tests, drives me crazy; I wonder if it is related to lightdm crashing after all
[06:38] <pitti> I'll have a closer look next week
[06:38] <pitti> and until then just fudge the britney results
[06:40] <didrocks> pitti: ah ok, I'm running them right now to check with the workflow changes
[06:40] <didrocks> pitti: it doesn't fail anymore locally for you, right?
[06:40] <didrocks> (since you replaced the sleep with a wait-loop)
[06:40] <pitti> didrocks: I still saw it once out of 10 or so
[06:41] <pitti> didrocks: it has reset-failed, wait loop *and* an extra sleep 2 now
[06:41] <didrocks> ok
[06:41] <pitti> I don't think it's that, it actually might be lightdm that's crashing
[06:42] <didrocks> I want to ensure that I'm seeing the right thing
[06:42] <pitti> didrocks: I suppose we could try and change ExecStart=/bin/sleep 1000, and see if it stops crashing?
[06:42] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, that would be good enough
[06:42] <pitti> didrocks: anyway, not that urgent
[06:42] <pitti> didrocks: so please don't waste time on that right now, I'll have a look next week
[06:43] <didrocks> pitti: I'm just ensuring that the fsck fd connection changes don't impact autopkgtest
[06:43] <didrocks> and fixing them if necessary
[06:43] <didrocks> (so fsck tests)
[06:43] <pitti> I still have two or three bugs which I consider RC for vivid
[06:43] <pitti> didrocks: cheers
[07:10] <willcooke> morning
[07:10] <willcooke> Anyone else having Chromium crashes on startup?
[07:11] <didrocks> only using chrome, let me start chromium
[07:12] <seb128> hey willcooke
[07:12] <seb128> willcooke, works for me
[07:12] <didrocks> willcooke: nope, restore my tabs, tried 3 stop/start…
[07:12] <seb128> do you have a bt?
[07:12] <seb128> what version?
[07:12] <seb128> I feel like you tried to get a newer version somewhere to try to hidpi work? ;-)
[07:12] <seb128> the hidpi*
[07:12] <willcooke> Version 41.0.2272.76 Ubuntu 14.04 (64-bit)
[07:12] <willcooke> It doesnt happen all the time, and once it's running it's fine
[07:13] <willcooke> I'll launch via gdb next time I boot and see what happens
[07:13] <willcooke> oops
[07:13] <willcooke> just crashed again
[07:14] <willcooke> now I can launch my browser to look up how to use gdb :)
[07:14] <willcooke> *cant
[07:15] <seb128> oh, you are on the lts?
[07:15] <willcooke> yeah
[07:15] <seb128> you should have said so
[07:15] <seb128> didrocks and I are on vivid
[07:15] <seb128> gdb is easy
[07:15] <seb128> gdb binary
[07:15] <seb128> (gdb) run
[07:15] <seb128> get the segfault
[07:15] <willcooke> run
[07:15] <seb128> (gdb) bt
[07:16] <seb128> to get the backtrace
[07:16] <willcooke> thx
[07:16] <didrocks> "gdb is easy" -> I know even a lot of "expert devs" who would disagree with this :p
[07:16] <willcooke> "/usr/bin/chromium-browser": not in executable format: File format not recognised
[07:16] <didrocks> well, maybe a "thread apply all" before the bt
[07:16] <didrocks> as chromium is heavily multi-threaded
[07:16] <didrocks> ah, chromium-browser is a wrapper
[07:17] <didrocks> (bash script)
[07:17] <seb128> right
[07:17] <seb128> apport didn't collect a .crash for those segfaults?
[07:17] <willcooke> well, that's another thing...
[07:17] <willcooke> apport moans about some nvidia thing I haven't got installed
[07:17] <willcooke> I dont have any nvidia hardware
[07:18] <willcooke> apt-get upgrade is running at the moment, so I can't blame it I suppose
[07:18] <willcooke> needs to reboot...
[07:18] <didrocks> dpkg -l | grep nvidia?
[07:19] <willcooke> quite a lot of things
[07:19] <willcooke> hrm
[07:19] <willcooke> why would I have installed them
[07:19] <willcooke> I dont think I would have
[07:19] <willcooke> must be some strange dep
[07:20] <seb128> try to remove them and see what goes away with it?
[07:24] <willcooke> removed that nvidia stuff - nothing broke
[07:24] <willcooke> let's see what happens
[07:52] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey, well done figuring that cups-filter issue out ;-)
[07:56] <didrocks> pitti: all autopkgtests pass successfully with this new systemd-fsckd "out of trunk + new connection flow" version \o/
[07:56] <pitti> didrocks: cool, without mods? nice!
[07:56] <didrocks> pitti: yep ;)
[07:57] <didrocks> pitti: do you think you will upload it soon? I would prefer we don't upload such big changes 7 days before release…
[07:57] <didrocks> (maybe stick it in proposed?)
[07:57] <pitti> didrocks: I'd like to fix the broken autopkgtest as well, otherwise it'll get stuck again
[07:58] <didrocks> pitti: ok, the lightdm thingy… for the purpose of the test, we can change that to the sleep method (and changing the unit on disk as well)
[07:58] <didrocks> pitti: want me to do that?
[07:59] <didrocks> the change is to change ExecStart + stripping BusName=
[07:59] <pitti> didrocks: what I did was to run that single test with --shell, then ssh in and run the test in a loop; I usually get the failure after 10 runs
[08:00] <pitti> didrocks: I also changed all the other tests except teh failing to to "def xtest_" to disable them, for faster iteration
[08:00] <pitti> if the sleep helps and avoids any kind of lightdm crash which might occur, that'd be awesome
[08:01] <didrocks> pitti: well, we are not testing lightdm in this particular autopkgtests, so the sleep makes more sense, indeed
[08:02] <pitti> right
[08:03] <Laney> hey hey
[08:03] <seb128> hey Laney, happy friday!
[08:03] <seb128> wie gehts?§
[08:04] <didrocks> pitti: test_multiple_systemd() is the failing one for you, right?
[08:04] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:05] <pitti> didrocks: test_multiple_systemd_ddmconfig_match and test_multiple_systemd_ddmconfig_match_no_symlink
[08:05] <didrocks> ok
[08:05] <Laney> seb128: planning a bbq for tonight, so good ;-)
[08:05] <Laney> you?
[08:05] <Laney> hey didrocks
[08:05] <seb128> Laney, nice!
[08:16]  * didrocks uses minicom to enter into the adt testbed as the test screws up with the ssh service
[08:25] <didrocks> pitti: after running 30 times each tests, no lightdm startup issue here…
[08:26] <didrocks> pitti: what I propose is to change to sleep 1000 anyway to fake lightdm, try the tests, ensure there is no regression and give you a patch against experimental
[08:34] <pitti> didrocks: sounds nice, then I can try that in jenkins
[08:43] <didrocks> pitti: this seems to work well (at least for my adt testbed): http://people.canonical.com/~didrocks/tmp/0001-display-managers-autopkgtest-try-to-avoid-some-exter.patch
[08:45] <pitti> didrocks: hah, nice!
[08:46] <pitti> didrocks: I think we could even drop the "needs-recommends" then, and save a few 100 MB of installing test deps
[08:46] <pitti> didrocks: trying here, I'll first double-check that I can still reproduce it and then check with your patch
[08:47] <didrocks> pitti: ah indeed, it was needed for the real lightdm binary, shouldn't be the case anymore
[08:56] <pitti> didrocks: hah, got the failure locally on the very first try
[08:57] <didrocks> pitti: with the patch? so it's not lightdm?
[08:57] <pitti> didrocks: no, without still (just cross-checking)
[08:57] <pitti> didrocks: re-testing with the patch now
[08:57] <pitti> wow, sooo much faster without "needs-recommends" :)
[08:57] <didrocks> ah, phew :)
[09:01] <seb128> Laney, do you think you could sponsor the patch from https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=781229 for me?
[09:01] <seb128> so we can sync from Debian and keep in sync
[09:05] <Laney> seb128: Yep, good idea
[09:06] <Laney> nice changelog :P
[09:08] <pitti> didrocks: cheers! runs fine here
[09:08] <didrocks> pitti: nice! :)
[09:09]  * pitti goes for a quick run while builds and tests are running
[09:10] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[09:10] <Laney> seb128: do you care to file an unblock to get it into testing?
[09:10] <seb128> bah
[09:10] <seb128> what happened to the changelog?!
[09:10] <Laney> hehe
[09:10] <seb128> Laney, how do I do that?
[09:11] <Laney> reportbug release.debian.org
[09:11] <darkxst> hey seb128 Laney pitti didrocks
[09:11] <Laney> -> unblock -> "this is a common crash, blah de blah"
[09:11] <Laney> i'll make it severity serious
[09:11] <didrocks> evening darkxst
[09:12] <Laney> hi darkxst
[09:12] <didrocks> pitti: enjoy!
[09:12] <Laney> I don't understand why the font thumbnailer is getting involved in /usr/share/icons though
[09:12] <Laney> do you know?
[09:13] <darkxst> I'm getting reports of no outputs be set as primary, which gnome shell doesnt really like (can see it on my intel laptop also)
[09:13] <darkxst> are you guys seeing that? ie 'xrandr -q' and there is no primary output
[09:14] <Laney> afraid not
[09:15] <seb128> darkxst, hey
[09:16] <seb128> Laney, no, I don't, it tries to thumbnaild the .index
[09:16] <seb128> Laney, does reportbug requires a working local mailer?
[09:17] <seb128> I think last time I tried to use it a ragequited because I never managed to get the email sent
[09:17] <Laney> haha
[09:17] <didrocks> seb128: you can save in a file
[09:17] <didrocks> and copy/paste it in thunderbird
[09:17] <Laney> in .reportbugrc put a smtphost
[09:17] <seb128> didrocks, I can as well directly write to submit@ in tb
[09:17] <seb128> which is how I usually file debian bugs :p
[09:17] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[09:17] <didrocks> seb128: yep, if you know the syntax for package: version:…
[09:18] <ochosi> Laney, seb128: just out of curiosity, did my patch help as expected with the gtk3 menu shadows?
[09:18] <seb128> didrocks, I usually look in my sent folder and edit an old email ;-)
[09:18] <Laney> .reportbugrc -> "smtphost reportbug.debian.org:587"
[09:18] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[09:18] <seb128> ochosi, I don't know, Laney & larsu were on it, I let it to them
[09:18] <Laney> save it before sending though incase I got that wrong ;-)
[09:19] <seb128> lol
[09:19] <seb128> Debian ways and tools are from the stone age :-/
[09:19] <Laney> ochosi: seems to, I tweaked it a bit and submitted a MP which is awaiting review
[09:19] <ochosi> ok good
[09:19] <didrocks> seb128: ahah!
[09:19] <seb128> larsu, ^ can you do the review?
[09:19] <didrocks> the old way ;)
[09:19] <Laney> nfi why reportbug doesn't just make this the default
[09:19] <seb128> didrocks, I'm too old for this s***
[09:19] <ochosi> Laney: feel free to get in touch if you need more help there
[09:19] <Laney> sure, thanks
[09:20] <larsu> seb128: sure
[09:20] <seb128> larsu, danke
[09:20] <davmor2> seb128: is Detective McClane in CodeHard5.0
[09:20] <willcooke> :)
[09:20] <seb128> davmor2, lol
[09:21] <Laney> seb128: laney@iota> file /usr/share/icons/Adwaita/icon-theme.cache                                                                                 ~
[09:21] <seb128> Laney, can't we just recycle the open bug as a request by subscribing some team (like we do in Ubuntu)?
[09:21] <didrocks> seb128: not a hippy like Laney, I see!
[09:21] <Laney> /usr/share/icons/Adwaita/icon-theme.cache: TrueType font data
[09:21] <Laney> .......
[09:21] <larsu> done, but can't top-approve
[09:21] <seb128> Laney, that would be why ;-)
[09:22] <Laney> they keep the release discussions and the bug fixing separate
[09:22] <Laney> so no is the answer
[09:23] <seb128> k
[09:23] <davmor2> seb128: admittedly is was sadi more by Riggs and Murtaugh but lethal Coding just didn't sound right ;)
[09:23] <seb128> davmor2, no, that doesn't ;-)
[09:23] <seb128> Laney, do you want me to provide a changelog text btw?
[09:24] <seb128> Laney, it fixes lp: #1436736
[09:24] <Laney> no it's okay ;-)
[09:26] <seb128> Laney, can you provide me the debdiff for my release unblock request? ;-)
[09:26] <seb128> I guess it's better if that has the actual changelog :p
[09:32] <Laney> just test building it
[09:32] <seb128> Laney, k, no hurry
[09:34] <Sweet5hark> seb128: here we are: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/vivid/4.4.2/libreoffice_4.4.2-0ubuntu1_source.changes and http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/vivid/4.4.2/libreoffice-l10n_4.4.2-0ubuntu1_source.changes ...
[09:35] <Laney> seb128: http://people.canonical.com/~laney/patch-dump/gnome-font-viewer_3.14.0-2.debdiff
[09:35] <Laney> going to upload this now, thanks!
[09:35] <seb128> Laney, danke
[09:35] <Laney> still no key yet?
[09:37] <Laney> done
[09:37] <seb128> Laney, key is fine, no vm or chroot to build a binary and Debian hates on source uploads
[09:37] <seb128> thanks
[09:38] <Laney> ah yes, one day soon
[09:38] <seb128> report sent to unlock it
[09:38] <Laney> go vote for the DPL who is most likely to make that happen ;-)
[09:38] <seb128> ;-)
[09:40] <seb128> Laney, debug bug #782310
[09:40] <seb128> debian bug #782310
[09:40] <Laney> nice
[09:40] <Laney> we'll see what they say
[09:41] <Laney> no big deal if they deny it, unlikely that package will need a new upload anyway
[09:41] <seb128> right
[09:41] <seb128> thanks for the reportbug magic btw ;-)
[09:44] <Laney> ah I just checked and it has a wizard thing if you have no ~/.reportbugrc
[09:44] <didrocks> going for a run, bbl!
[09:44] <Laney> if you answer the questions write it creates this smtphost line for you
[09:44] <seb128> didrocks, enjoy!
[09:44] <Laney> hf didrocks!
[09:44] <didrocks> thanks ;)
[09:44] <Laney> is the knee better btw?
[09:44] <seb128> Laney, ah, that's new I guess (for some value of new)
[09:44] <seb128> lunch time here
[09:44] <seb128> Sweet5hark, libreoffice sponsored, thanks!ù
[09:44] <Laney> early lunch?
[09:45] <Sweet5hark> seb128: merci beaucoup!
[09:45] <seb128> de rien ;-)
[09:45] <seb128> Laney, yeah, friday, going out for some errands and having lunch with friends
[09:46] <seb128> enjoy the sun a bit as well
[09:46] <seb128> bbiab
[09:46] <larsu> seb128: enjoy!
[09:46] <Laney> it's actually looking a bit grey here
[09:46] <larsu> you're in England, remember?
[09:46] <Laney> probably the pollution cloud of death
[09:46] <Laney> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32233922
[09:47] <larsu> haha
[09:47] <seb128> danke :-)
[09:47] <larsu> Laney: that stock picture...
[09:47] <Laney> haha
[09:47] <Laney> yeah ...
[09:48] <larsu> "too much text and science, throw in a guy coughing"
[09:49] <Laney> annoys me that none of the advice is "don't drive your car please"
[09:49] <Laney> instead "avoid exercise"
[09:49]  * Laney goes to lie down in the road
[09:50] <larsu> yeah that's weird
[09:50] <larsu> probably a lot of people would respond to a friendly plea
[09:50] <larsu> "please leave your car at home unless really necessary"
[09:51] <Laney> paris banned half the cars when this happened recently
[09:51] <willcooke> . . o o ( That bleedin' Sarahan dust, coming over 'ere gettin' in our lungs )
[09:51] <larsu> Laney: *banned*?
[09:51] <larsu> don't the have one of those stickers to get into the inner city?
[09:51] <Laney> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26599010
[09:51] <larsu> Berlin has that, and it's working quite well
[09:51] <Laney> just for a couple of days
[09:51] <larsu> wow, good for them
[09:52] <larsu> lol: you license plate needed to be odd-numbered :)
[09:52] <larsu> why don't they base it on age of car and size of engine?
[09:52] <larsu> they probably know the rough distribution of those
[09:53] <ogra_> because it is easier to control perhaps ?
[09:53] <larsu> hm, harder to enforce I guess
[09:53] <ogra_> the german system definitely doesnt work
[09:53] <larsu> ogra_: :)
[09:53] <larsu> why noy?
[09:53] <larsu> *not
[09:53]  * ogra_ has two cars, one with sticker, one without ... (teh one without is even cleaner, but i never bothered getting one for it )
[09:54] <ogra_> i most of the time use the car without and have been in many cities that require a green one
[09:54] <ogra_> do you think it has ever been checked ...
[09:54] <larsu> oh, you mean it's not enforced...
[09:54] <larsu> that's unfortunate...
[09:54] <ogra_> yeah
[09:54] <ogra_> nobody bothers
[09:54] <larsu> maybe people self-enforce well enough?
[09:55] <ogra_> indeed, this is germany :)
[09:55]  * larsu would like to see pollution levels before/after the ban
[09:55]  * Sweet5hark lives in a port city. If a container ship happens to start its engine, all discussion about car pollution is immediately irrelevant.
[09:55] <ogra_> i think i read a stydy a year ago or so where they said it didnt gain anything
[09:55] <ogra_> but that might have been from ADAC :)
[09:56] <ogra_> our system definitely looks more shiny :)
[09:56] <larsu> haha
[09:56] <ogra_> nicely colored stickers :)
[09:56] <larsu> they're thinking about adding a new, blue one apparently
[09:56] <ogra_> heh
[09:56] <larsu> Sweet5hark: they should get stickers for those as well ;)
[09:56] <ogra_> one more color to ignoire :)
[09:57] <larsu> :D
[09:58] <darkxst> Laney, ok, guess its a bug in mutter then
[09:59] <Laney> can try a shell session if you want
[09:59] <ogra_> damn ... my neighbor just started the mowing season
[09:59] <larsu> move to a city without lawns
[09:59] <ogra_> haha, i would love to move to any city that isnt kassel :)
[10:00] <ogra_> weather there are lawns or not :)
[10:00] <larsu> sounds reasonable :D
[10:00] <ogra_> but living here is free so i cant actually complain :/
[10:00] <larsu> living in kassel is free?
[10:01] <ogra_> my GF inherited a house and property when her mother died
[10:01] <Sweet5hark> larsu: they are usually required to start their dirty engines only once they are out of town and down the river. recently it happened one ship started its engine too early while being tow. They were almost scalped by the green party and the tree hugger band.
[10:01] <larsu> ogra_: I figured something like that ;)
[10:01] <ogra_> before she died she ordered (and paid) a giant solar heating system
[10:01] <darkxst> Laney, maybe only 3.16, but if you can try with 3.14 just to confirm that?
[10:01] <ogra_> so living here is almost free for me ...
[10:01] <larsu> neat
[10:01] <ogra_> but well ... its kassel ...
[10:02] <Sweet5hark> ogra_: kassel? that sounds almost as bad as bielefeld.
[10:02] <larsu> Sweet5hark: sounds good to me. Being close to a tree is good when pollution is high ;)
[10:02] <ogra_> bielefeld !
[10:02] <ogra_> definitely equal :)
[10:02] <Laney> darkxst: "connected primary" still
[10:03] <Laney> on desktop anyway, not going to close this session :)
[10:05] <darkxst> ok thanks, though Ive not seen it on my desktop, but that is not intel
[10:05] <Laney> I'm completely non intel
[10:05] <Laney> so if it's related to that then ...
[10:05] <Laney> no help here :P
[10:07] <darkxst> yeh, i'll purge my laptop and see with 3.14
[10:09] <Laney> #ubuntu-x probably more helpful
[10:10] <darkxst> Laney, I was really just wondering if it was being seen under unity
[10:10] <Laney> sure
[10:10] <darkxst> we have the funky new wayland gdm in 3.16, but it wasnt caused by that
[10:12] <darkxst> just test unity and I get a primary there
[10:20] <Laney> larsu: did you have any other theme branches to land?
[10:27] <larsu> Laney: I have a workaround for the sqiggly line problem
[10:27] <larsu> but I'd rather fix it in gtk
[10:27] <larsu> finding my way through css machinery is a bit hard...
[10:28] <Laney> ya
[10:28] <larsu> so maybe let's do the workaround for now?
[10:28] <larsu> how urgent is this?
[10:28] <Laney> has Company guided you?
[10:28] <larsu> no :/
[10:28] <Laney> just "2 weeks until release" urgent
[10:29] <larsu> ok
[10:29] <larsu> it's just a few lines, let's do it in the theme
[10:30] <Laney> well if you can get pointed in the right direction we can still do that
[10:30] <Laney> as you wish
[10:30] <Laney> can do another upload first half of next week either way
[10:31]  * Laney slides gtk 3.14.12 in
[10:31] <larsu> I'm making the patch right now
[10:31] <Laney> seems like 3.14 has had loads of point releases
[10:40] <larsu> Laney: https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/ubuntu-themes/literal-colors/+merge/255806
[10:42] <Laney> larsu: add a comment to gtk-main reminding people to update these values too if they change that?
[10:42] <Laney> also a bug link if there is one
[10:47] <larsu> Laney: done and done. Thanks
[10:47] <Laney> thanks!
[10:49] <larsu> cool. Going to lunch now
[10:49] <Laney> enjoy the sun
[10:49] <pitti> didrocks: yummy, fsck progress in qemu again \o/
[10:58] <Laney> theme building in silo 020
[11:01] <tkamppeter> seb128, I hope my change will solve it, I have no proof that this was the actual problem. It is simply something what was wrong in cups-browsed. Now one has to see whether the error tracker calms down.
[11:44] <seb128> tkamppeter, one of the reporters said it fixed the issue for him, on one of the bugs
[11:45] <ajnr> hi I am not able to login using Gnome but able to login in terminal
[11:45] <ajnr> how to solve the problem
[11:49] <seb128> Laney, are you looking at bug #1357791?
[11:49] <Laney> you and your all seeing eye
[11:50] <Laney> I think it's fixed in gtk 3.14.12
[11:50] <seb128> great
[11:50] <seb128> Laney, I think bug #1439026 is the same issue
[11:50] <seb128> (which was on my tracking list)
[11:52] <Laney> not sure
[11:52] <Laney> the fix is in focus_in_event_cb() which isn't in that trace
[11:53] <seb128> hum, right
[11:55] <seb128> Laney, yeah, they seem different, I asked mclasen about it, in case it's obvious to him and he fixes the other one ;-)
[11:56] <Laney> cunning :P
[12:00] <seb128> ;-)
[12:06] <Laney> oh, it worked!
[12:06] <desrt> bleh
[12:07] <Laney> hello blehsrt
[12:07]  * desrt is sick :(
[12:07] <seb128> Laney, you think I'm new in that business or what? ;-)
[12:07] <seb128> hey desrt
[12:07] <seb128> desrt, oh, get better!
[12:07] <seb128> Laney, can you backport that fix as well? ;-)
[12:08] <desrt> i can't talk for a couple of days now, and now it hurts when i swallow :p
[12:08] <Laney> yus
[12:08]  * Laney rejects the upload
[12:08] <Laney> desrt: ice cream
[12:08] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[12:12] <didrocks> desrt: get better man :/
[12:13]  * desrt is probably going to go to the doctor today (finally)
[12:13] <didrocks> yeah, sounds like a plan
[13:07] <didrocks> pitti: I know you are away now, but when you reconnect: good news! systemd autopkgtests all green on both archs now \o/
[13:25] <didrocks> seb128: FYI, I just did the work for bug #1440549. However, I'm unsure doko got a FFe for this, and it can wait w anyway
[13:26] <didrocks> just pushed the branch for now
[13:27] <seb128> didrocks, oh, nice, yeah it can wait winner whale
[13:27] <seb128> thanks
[13:28] <didrocks> yw
[14:56] <GunnarHj> Laney: Still there?
[15:04] <GunnarHj> Laney: Asking my question:
[15:04] <GunnarHj> Laney: Was your latest comment on bug #1439006 your final decision?
[15:04] <GunnarHj> Laney: If the Japanese remix is more frequently used in Japan than standard Ubuntu, I feel it's kind of a more obtrusive change to not fix that bug compared to fixing it.
[15:07] <Laney> GunnarHj: Yes. I don't see how you can know that, and I'm not willing to risk making this change so late. We can do it on Wiggly Worm day 1 and actually have a chance to fix breakage. The remix can continue to modify any package however it wants for V.
[15:10] <GunnarHj> Laney: The changes due to making fcitx default for Chinese makes it harder to provide fcitx as default in other languages. I don't know if they have figured out a way to do it. But I'll stop arguing. There are always pros and cons. ;)
[15:15] <Laney> Thanks GunnarHj, sorry for being so conservative. :P
[15:16] <Laney> Saw your fonts-droid change - wonder what's happening there
[15:16] <GunnarHj> Laney: That change was to prevent that a previously fixed bug reappears.
[15:16] <GunnarHj> Laney: It's a hack. I intend to talk more with the Debian people.
[15:16] <Laney> Ya, I mean I wonder why they moved it
[15:17] <Laney> I had a look at the bug reports but it wasn't clear
[15:17] <GunnarHj> Laney: Complaints from some Japanese POV.
[15:18] <GunnarHj> Laney: We don't have the same Japanese problem in Ubuntu since we have conf files in the takao package which takes case of the conflict.
[15:18] <GunnarHj> s/case/care/
[15:19] <Laney> Man
[15:19] <Laney> These fontconfig files are hard to get right
[15:19] <GunnarHj> Laney: Right. I have realized that there will never be a default configuration which makes everyone happy.
[15:22] <larsu> Laney, didrocks: the patch I attached to gnome bug #747634 fixes gnome terminal's class setting (which we need for backwards compat for the wrapper)
[15:23] <larsu> Laney: not sure how much mclasen will like that, so maybe we should hold off putting it in the package?
[15:24] <Laney> larsu: I agree, let's see what kind of reviews you get
[15:24] <larsu> we do need something like this though
[15:24] <larsu> unless we get gnome-terminal to  drop the separate -server thing
[15:25] <larsu> (good luck)
[15:25] <didrocks> larsu: \o/ nice work. Let's hope that you get good reviews :)
[15:25] <didrocks> we'll see
[15:29] <Laney> attente: https://www.castle-climbing.co.uk/node/182
[15:29] <Laney> this place sounds nuts
[15:29] <Laney> outdoor boulders
[15:30] <attente> Laney: oooh :o
[15:31] <larsu> attente: how are your fingers doing?
[15:31]  * larsu went bouldering in berlin twice now
[15:31] <larsu> you guys up for going somewhere in London?
[15:31] <attente> pretty good up till yesterday
[15:31] <larsu> :(
[15:32] <Laney> you rest!
[15:32] <didrocks> climbing sounds so… dangerous :p
[15:32] <didrocks> maybe less than cycling in a city actually, but still
[15:33] <attente> and i'm afraid to cycle in the city
[15:34] <larsu> attente: in TO? I've found it to be reasonably good for a US city
[15:34] <larsu> *North American, oc
[15:34] <didrocks> *troll detected*
[15:35] <attente> lol
[15:35] <larsu> *honest mistake, but could relabel as a troll since it's Friday*
[15:35] <didrocks> :p
[15:35] <didrocks> "honest" yeah ;)
[15:36] <Laney> didrocks: come with us and see for yourself :)
[15:38] <larsu> it's fun!
[15:39] <didrocks> only if you come running for (let's be kind) 10 kms first!
[15:39] <larsu> sure.
[15:39] <Laney> i'll ride on a boris bike with you
[15:39] <larsu> haha
[15:40] <didrocks> ahah
[15:40] <didrocks> hyde park is an only 7kms run though
[15:41]  * didrocks needs to find a path
[15:41] <didrocks> oh wait
[15:41] <didrocks> it will rain anyway, isn't it? :p
[15:41] <Laney> oho
[15:41] <Laney> there's another park next door i think
[15:41] <didrocks> buckingham palace garden
[15:41] <Laney> don't think you can get in that one :p
[15:42] <Laney> i bet it would be cool to run past the palace to parliament though
[15:42] <didrocks> :)
[15:43] <didrocks> the easy fallback is to do a second loop around the serpentine
[15:43] <didrocks> it's 3.3kms
[15:43] <didrocks> so, the whole run will fit
[15:51] <didrocks> enough for today anyway, see you next week guys! (leaving for board games tonight \o/)
[15:52] <didrocks> don't climb too much ;)
[16:20]  * Sweet5hark mumbles: damnit rust looks like an interesting language. much more than Go.
[16:21] <jpds> Sweet5hark: Blasphemy.
[16:23] <Sweet5hark> jpds: how so? rust looks like a cleanly designed language with a well-defined target problem space. Go looks like yet-another-half-assed attempt to fix C++ in much the same way as SVN was "fixing" CVS ...
[16:23]  * Sweet5hark wonders if its Friday yet ...
[17:00] <Laney> happy weekend!
[17:02] <seb128> Laney, thanks, to you too!