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| LinDol_phone | hi all :) | 03:50 |
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| Paddy_NI_ | Hi I am having some very "jerky" window resizing on Ubuntu Gnome (current stable). Particularly when maximizing windows - I'm also noticing with "Terminator" when I maximise that the right half of the window does not show nor does the lower half of the left side. | 10:12 |
| Paddy_NI_ | Would a screenshot of Terminator be of any use? | 10:13 |
| darkxst | Paddy_NI_, if that only affects terminator, then it could be a bug in that app | 10:13 |
| darkxst | we don't support it, whatever it is | 10:14 |
| Paddy_NI_ | Well I notice other apps try to do the same | 10:14 |
| Paddy_NI_ | However they eventually draw the rest | 10:14 |
| Paddy_NI_ | Still incredibly jerky | 10:14 |
| Paddy_NI_ | xchat is doing it too | 10:14 |
| darkxst | i've only seen jerky resizes under wayland | 10:14 |
| Paddy_NI_ | gnome-terminal is also doing it very briefly | 10:15 |
| mgedmin | "current stable" is what, gnome 3.12 from ubuntu gnome 14.10? | 10:15 |
| darkxst | but could be a driver bug | 10:15 |
| Paddy_NI_ | mgedmin, Current "Ubuntu Gnome" | 10:15 |
| Paddy_NI_ | darkxst, Possible | 10:15 |
| Paddy_NI_ | Intel graphics | 10:15 |
| Paddy_NI_ | ThinkPad T420 | 10:15 |
| Paddy_NI_ | I'll ask the Lord Google | 10:15 |
| Paddy_NI_ | :-) | 10:15 |
| darkxst | Paddy_NI_, smooth as butter on my T400 | 10:16 |
| Paddy_NI_ | :-( | 10:16 |
| mgedmin | x220 here, no video jerkiness | 10:16 |
| Paddy_NI_ | I have not tried playing video yet | 10:16 |
| Paddy_NI_ | Wanted to get window management down first | 10:16 |
| mgedmin | chromium has some slight problems with video | 10:16 |
| mgedmin | (hardware accelerated video not worky due to some dri3 wonkiness, so it falls back to pure-software aliased linear scaling ugh) | 10:17 |
| Paddy_NI_ | lol | 10:17 |
| Paddy_NI_ | I cannot screenshot it | 10:17 |
| mgedmin | that is interesting | 10:17 |
| Paddy_NI_ | Screenshots seem to make it look normal again | 10:17 |
| mgedmin | well, gnome-shell does the "flash" effect that effectively redraws the whole screen | 10:18 |
| mgedmin | (after it takes the screenshot) | 10:18 |
| Paddy_NI_ | When I highlight the non-displaying area with my mouse (or keyboard) it begins to display | 10:18 |
| mgedmin | do you see any damage in the screenshot? | 10:18 |
| mgedmin | incidentally | 10:18 |
| Paddy_NI_ | mgedmin, Exactly what I was thinking | 10:18 |
| darkxst | dri3 is still broken in general I believe | 10:18 |
| Paddy_NI_ | No the screenshot looks perfect | 10:18 |
| mgedmin | I have very similar problems on my x200 at home (ubuntu 14.10, gnome 3.14, intel video) | 10:18 |
| Paddy_NI_ | hmm | 10:18 |
| Paddy_NI_ | Does the "Intel Graphics Installer" work on the current "Ubuntu Gnome" | 10:19 |
| Paddy_NI_ | I must check that out | 10:19 |
| darkxst | not unless they made a new release recently | 10:19 |
| mgedmin | ha ha my x220 just rebooted | 10:20 |
| mgedmin | #readyforthedesktop | 10:20 |
| mgedmin | @!#%@!# | 10:20 |
| meetingology | mgedmin: Error: "!#%@!#" is not a valid command. | 10:20 |
| mgedmin | anyway, as I was saying my x200 has video redraw problems | 10:20 |
| mgedmin | nautilus windows are corrupt sometimes (esp. the left sidebar) | 10:20 |
| mgedmin | moving the mouse over them makes things appear correctly | 10:20 |
| mgedmin | I suspect the intel video driver | 10:20 |
| Paddy_NI_ | hmm this article mentions that Ubuntu 14.04 LTS has entered deprecated status | 10:21 |
| Paddy_NI_ | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/03/latest-intel-linux-graphics-drivers-now-available-for-ubuntu-14-10 | 10:21 |
| mgedmin | the x220 has no graphics problems otoh (also intel video, different model probably?) | 10:21 |
| Paddy_NI_ | as far as using the intel driver goes I wonder if it is worth my while | 10:21 |
| Paddy_NI_ | "intel graphics installer" rather | 10:21 |
| mgedmin | probably not | 10:21 |
| mgedmin | the best thing (not for you, but for everyone) would be to report a bug in launchpad | 10:22 |
| Paddy_NI_ | mgedmin, The x220 and the T420 are virtually identical regarding hardware | 10:22 |
| mgedmin | using ubuntu-bug, so it attaches all the relevant system info | 10:22 |
| darkxst | Paddy_NI_, 14.04 would have got the newer intel drivers with the HWE stack | 10:22 |
| darkxst | (but that is optional) | 10:22 |
| mgedmin | then you'll get an automated reply asking to test the latest upstream kernel (because the intel kms driver is part of the kernel) | 10:22 |
| mgedmin | with clear instructions on how to do so | 10:22 |
| mgedmin | you'll do that, report the results | 10:22 |
| mgedmin | and after that nothing will happen | 10:22 |
| Paddy_NI_ | darkxst, So I would have to do something to make it use it? | 10:22 |
| Paddy_NI_ | mgedmin, If I am to file a bug then I should probably do this after lunch/brunch so that I can give it proper attention | 10:23 |
| darkxst | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack | 10:24 |
| Paddy_NI_ | darkxst, Cool :-) | 10:24 |
| darkxst | its included in 14.04.2 but if you installed prior to that, you need manual commands | 10:24 |
| Paddy_NI_ | Most likely | 10:24 |
| Paddy_NI_ | darkxst, Unable to locate those packages | 10:26 |
| Paddy_NI_ | darkxst, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10790465/ | 10:27 |
| darkxst | Paddy_NI_, unless you have done something silly like disable trusty-updates, they should be there | 10:30 |
| Paddy_NI_ | darkxst, Nope I have everything enabled | 10:30 |
| darkxst | packages.ubuntu.com/trusty-updates/xserver-xorg-lts-utopic | 10:31 |
| darkxst | or you are on 14.10? | 10:31 |
| Paddy_NI_ | Ha | 10:32 |
| Paddy_NI_ | Silly me | 10:32 |
| Paddy_NI_ | Yes | 10:32 |
| darkxst | Paddy_NI_, you could try the 15.04 daily live image and see if that works better | 10:32 |
| Paddy_NI_ | darkxst, Hmm.. | 10:33 |
| Paddy_NI_ | I am a little reluctant - I'll make a decision after lunch :-) | 10:33 |
| darkxst | Paddy_NI_, why? live image wont change anyhting on your system | 10:34 |
| darkxst | and besides 15.04 is more stable already than 14.10 | 10:34 |
| Paddy_NI_ | darkxst, Oh I thought you meant installing the daily | 10:34 |
| Paddy_NI_ | darkxst, Sounds good | 10:34 |
| Paddy_NI_ | perhaps that is my best option | 10:34 |
| darkxst | try it and see, if it works, just upgrade | 10:35 |
| Paddy_NI_ | Actually to hell with it, I may as well just perform an upgrade anyway for the fun | 10:37 |
| Paddy_NI_ | I forget the command for upgrading distros | 10:37 |
| Paddy_NI_ | sudo do-release-upgrade -d | 10:38 |
| Paddy_NI_ | "YO Johnny, I'll see in the next life!" | 10:40 |
| darkxst | I'm already in the next life, wayland style ;) | 10:40 |
| Paddy_NI_ | Ah cool | 10:41 |
| Paddy_NI_ | When will Wayland become the default? | 10:41 |
| darkxst | maybe by the next LTS | 10:42 |
| Paddy_NI_ | How stable/performant is it? | 10:42 |
| darkxst | fairly good in 3.16, but still maybe only 95% | 10:43 |
| Paddy_NI_ | :-) | 10:43 |
| darkxst | window resizing is glitchy | 10:44 |
| darkxst | I think there are issues cut+pasting between wayland apps and Xwayland apps | 10:44 |
| Paddy_NI_ | I still don't understand why Canonical are opting to create their own | 10:45 |
| darkxst | drag and drop still not quite fully functional either | 10:45 |
| Paddy_NI_ | Duplication of effort is really regressive behaviour | 10:45 |
| Paddy_NI_ | From an anthropological perspective | 10:46 |
| darkxst | I don;t see how its regressive? | 10:46 |
| mgedmin | it's always easier to create something new than to understand something existing | 10:46 |
| darkxst | but pretty sure they wanted a vertically integrated stack | 10:46 |
| Paddy_NI_ | I see | 10:47 |
| darkxst | there original plan was to release in 6 months | 10:47 |
| darkxst | that never ever would have been possible with wayland (disregarding that fact that it was always unlikely to be possible full stop) | 10:48 |
| Paddy_NI_ | Ambitious | 10:48 |
| Paddy_NI_ | It would be nice if something like the DLNA would/could be formed between all these different display standards | 10:49 |
| darkxst | shuttleworth was a debian developer, but I sometimes wonder if he has any real coding experience | 10:50 |
| Paddy_NI_ | darkxst, Didn't he create VeriSign? | 10:50 |
| Paddy_NI_ | grammar fail | 10:50 |
| Paddy_NI_ | On my part | 10:50 |
| darkxst | DLNA is rubbish anyway | 10:51 |
| Paddy_NI_ | Without it we would have epic duplication of effort | 10:52 |
| Paddy_NI_ | And zero interoperability | 10:52 |
| Paddy_NI_ | I use UPNP-AV every single day | 10:52 |
| Paddy_NI_ | It's how I consume my media | 10:52 |
| darkxst | instead we have every player/server having to add quirks for nearly every device | 10:53 |
| Paddy_NI_ | Yes but the user does not have to care about that | 10:53 |
| Paddy_NI_ | As far as they are concerned it's all the same | 10:53 |
| Paddy_NI_ | Gratification is the goal | 10:53 |
| darkxst | they do, when their device don't work with given program | 10:53 |
| darkxst | its really like saying ie6 supported web standards, because most sites in existance added hacks to make it work | 10:54 |
| Paddy_NI_ | I do pretty well in my case | 10:54 |
| Paddy_NI_ | IE6 did not really though | 10:54 |
| Paddy_NI_ | They tried to reinvent the wheel so as to create vendor lock-in | 10:55 |
| Paddy_NI_ | My Sony Xperia Z2, Samsung Smart TV, Ubuntu Tower PC and a host of other devices all "just work" | 10:56 |
| Paddy_NI_ | I never have a problem with DLNA | 10:56 |
| Paddy_NI_ | I have also set my family up with Chromecast, BubbleUPNP, BubbleUPNP Server and either Twonky or minidlna depending on OS | 10:57 |
| Paddy_NI_ | They use it almost everyday without issue | 10:57 |
| darkxst | dlna was a good concept but the execution was poor | 10:59 |
| Paddy_NI_ | darkxst, I guess that depends on the vendor | 10:59 |
| darkxst | no, you don't see it, because the software is adapting to handles the quirks each vendor has | 10:59 |
| Paddy_NI_ | Yes true | 11:00 |
| darkxst | that is not how 'standards' are meant to work though | 11:00 |
| Paddy_NI_ | Thus far Samsung has offered the best experience | 11:00 |
| darkxst | there is still a duplication of effort there | 11:00 |
| Paddy_NI_ | I guess most of the issues are to do with format support | 11:01 |
| Paddy_NI_ | codecs | 11:01 |
| Paddy_NI_ | That I have seen | 11:01 |
| Paddy_NI_ | I have not actually witnessed any other kind of error | 11:01 |
| Paddy_NI_ | regarding upnp-av that is | 11:01 |
| darkxst | no, codecs are a whole different story | 11:02 |
| Paddy_NI_ | If the vendors stop cheap skating then we should be okay | 11:02 |
| mgedmin | if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gfxboot-theme-ubuntu/+bug/1384188 won't be fixed for 15.04, I'll be mildly annoyed :/ | 11:04 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1384188 in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "Missing translations for 'Install Ubuntu GNOME' and 'Try Ubuntu GNOME without installing'" [Undecided,Fix released] | 11:04 |
| Paddy_NI_ | :-( | 11:04 |
| darkxst | mgedmin, were the translations approved in LP? | 11:11 |
| mgedmin | yes | 11:12 |
| mgedmin | all this needs is a launchpad export and a package update | 11:12 |
| mgedmin | I could probably produce a debdiff with updated translations (iirc the source tree has a script that does that), but I've no upload privileges | 11:12 |
| darkxst | mgedmin, ask on #ubuntu-devel | 11:13 |
| darkxst | syslinux wont have langpacks | 11:13 |
| darkxst | so maybe it needs a debdiff to import the changes into the package | 11:14 |
| mgedmin | asked there two days ago, got this response: | 11:15 |
| mgedmin | "<seb128>cyphermox, ^ it might be one for you? (updating gfxboot-theme-ubuntu with a new translations export)" | 11:15 |
| mgedmin | cyphermox never reacted | 11:15 |
| darkxst | file a bug and/or chase up cyphermox | 11:17 |
| darkxst | hes usually pretty responsive | 11:18 |
| Paddy_NI_ | darkxst, I actually almost forget the amount of trouble I had early on with dlna | 11:20 |
| Paddy_NI_ | I have developers to that for making up for the shortcomings of the big vendors | 11:21 |
| Paddy_NI_ | *thank | 11:21 |
| Paddy_NI_ | It would be nice to see some form of UPNP-AV integration with GNOME out-of-the-box | 11:22 |
| darkxst | Paddy_NI_, I don't think totem supports upnp? | 11:25 |
| darkxst | rhytmbox does, but thats only music from memory | 11:25 |
| Paddy_NI_ | Cool | 11:25 |
| Paddy_NI_ | It would be nice to have something more tightly integrated | 11:26 |
| Paddy_NI_ | I always either install Rygel or minidlna | 11:26 |
| darkxst | like what? | 11:26 |
| Paddy_NI_ | darkxst, Something akin to "online accounts" | 11:26 |
| Paddy_NI_ | Media Sharing | 11:27 |
| darkxst | propose it upstream | 11:27 |
| Paddy_NI_ | Toggle for photos, toggle for video, toggle for music | 11:27 |
| Paddy_NI_ | darkxst, That sounds like a plan | 11:28 |
| Paddy_NI_ | Food is needing attention | 11:29 |
| Paddy_NI_ | Tomorrow I will make Seafood Chowder, yum | 11:31 |
| darkxst | Paddy_NI_ hungry? so planning tomorrows dinner? | 11:42 |
| Doo_ | hello folks | 11:44 |
| Doo_ | i'm coming to you to see if someone has the same bug that I have on 14.10 : when i lock my keyboard, keymap (which is usually azerty) switches to qwerty and i loose all tray icons, i has to restart with alt+f2 / r and then re-swtich keymap with super+space to recover my initial state | 11:46 |
| Doo_ | that's kind of a pita, if someone has solved this | 11:46 |
| Doo_ | i really can use a hint :) | 11:46 |
| mgedmin | I've heard about the bug where the keyboard layout reverts to us-ascii | 11:50 |
| mgedmin | (not only heard, I have it) | 11:51 |
| mgedmin | losing tray icons? no clue | 11:51 |
| Doo_ | that's linked imho (i'm using topicons, btw) | 11:59 |
| Paddy_NI_ | darkxst, I am in the process of preparing a late lunch | 12:00 |
| darkxst | I had lunch 10 hours ago | 12:01 |
| Paddy_NI_ | darkxst, I have plenty of Salmon left over frozen from yesterday and some smoked and unsmoked river cobbler | 12:01 |
| darkxst | where are you from? | 12:01 |
| Paddy_NI_ | Also a bag of mixed seafood, prawns etc | 12:01 |
| Paddy_NI_ | darkxst, Northern Ireland | 12:01 |
| Paddy_NI_ | :-) | 12:01 |
| Paddy_NI_ | You? | 12:01 |
| darkxst | Australia | 12:02 |
| Paddy_NI_ | Google Keep shopping list: Double Cream | 12:02 |
| Paddy_NI_ | This is going to be tasty | 12:02 |
| Paddy_NI_ | Australia will be a destination at some point in my life | 12:02 |
| Paddy_NI_ | Okay the Upgrade has completed, I shall restart and return :-) | 12:03 |
| Paddy_NI | darkxst, Buttery smooth :-) | 12:07 |
| Paddy_NI | Lovely | 12:07 |
| darkxst | Paddy_NI, enjoy | 12:07 |
| Paddy_NI | This feels right | 12:07 |
| rgb-one | hello | 15:51 |
| Paddy_NI | I have upgraded to Ubuntu GNOME 15.04, is there a relatively simple way to get GNOME 3.16? | 17:35 |
| massiveblue | Hello, i have a boot issue with ubuntu gnome vivid, grub2. Freshly installed sys, last installed package: fglrx-driver | 18:16 |
| massiveblue | I also have a BootInfo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10793356/ | 18:16 |
| massiveblue | I only see the grey rectangle after BIOS and nothing happens. | 18:16 |
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