=== kurtkraut is now known as KurtKraut === KurtKraut is now known as kurtkraut [03:50] hi all :) [10:12] Hi I am having some very "jerky" window resizing on Ubuntu Gnome (current stable). Particularly when maximizing windows - I'm also noticing with "Terminator" when I maximise that the right half of the window does not show nor does the lower half of the left side. [10:13] Would a screenshot of Terminator be of any use? [10:13] Paddy_NI_, if that only affects terminator, then it could be a bug in that app [10:14] we don't support it, whatever it is [10:14] Well I notice other apps try to do the same [10:14] However they eventually draw the rest [10:14] Still incredibly jerky [10:14] xchat is doing it too [10:14] i've only seen jerky resizes under wayland [10:15] gnome-terminal is also doing it very briefly [10:15] "current stable" is what, gnome 3.12 from ubuntu gnome 14.10? [10:15] but could be a driver bug [10:15] mgedmin, Current "Ubuntu Gnome" [10:15] darkxst, Possible [10:15] Intel graphics [10:15] ThinkPad T420 [10:15] I'll ask the Lord Google [10:15] :-) [10:16] Paddy_NI_, smooth as butter on my T400 [10:16] :-( [10:16] x220 here, no video jerkiness [10:16] I have not tried playing video yet [10:16] Wanted to get window management down first [10:16] chromium has some slight problems with video [10:17] (hardware accelerated video not worky due to some dri3 wonkiness, so it falls back to pure-software aliased linear scaling ugh) [10:17] lol [10:17] I cannot screenshot it [10:17] that is interesting [10:17] Screenshots seem to make it look normal again [10:18] well, gnome-shell does the "flash" effect that effectively redraws the whole screen [10:18] (after it takes the screenshot) [10:18] When I highlight the non-displaying area with my mouse (or keyboard) it begins to display [10:18] do you see any damage in the screenshot? [10:18] incidentally [10:18] mgedmin, Exactly what I was thinking [10:18] dri3 is still broken in general I believe [10:18] No the screenshot looks perfect [10:18] I have very similar problems on my x200 at home (ubuntu 14.10, gnome 3.14, intel video) [10:18] hmm [10:19] Does the "Intel Graphics Installer" work on the current "Ubuntu Gnome" [10:19] I must check that out [10:19] not unless they made a new release recently [10:20] ha ha my x220 just rebooted [10:20] #readyforthedesktop [10:20] @!#%@!# [10:20] mgedmin: Error: "!#%@!#" is not a valid command. [10:20] anyway, as I was saying my x200 has video redraw problems [10:20] nautilus windows are corrupt sometimes (esp. the left sidebar) [10:20] moving the mouse over them makes things appear correctly [10:20] I suspect the intel video driver [10:21] hmm this article mentions that Ubuntu 14.04 LTS has entered deprecated status [10:21] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/03/latest-intel-linux-graphics-drivers-now-available-for-ubuntu-14-10 [10:21] the x220 has no graphics problems otoh (also intel video, different model probably?) [10:21] as far as using the intel driver goes I wonder if it is worth my while [10:21] "intel graphics installer" rather [10:21] probably not [10:22] the best thing (not for you, but for everyone) would be to report a bug in launchpad [10:22] mgedmin, The x220 and the T420 are virtually identical regarding hardware [10:22] using ubuntu-bug, so it attaches all the relevant system info [10:22] Paddy_NI_, 14.04 would have got the newer intel drivers with the HWE stack [10:22] (but that is optional) [10:22] then you'll get an automated reply asking to test the latest upstream kernel (because the intel kms driver is part of the kernel) [10:22] with clear instructions on how to do so [10:22] you'll do that, report the results [10:22] and after that nothing will happen [10:22] darkxst, So I would have to do something to make it use it? [10:23] mgedmin, If I am to file a bug then I should probably do this after lunch/brunch so that I can give it proper attention [10:24] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack [10:24] darkxst, Cool :-) [10:24] its included in 14.04.2 but if you installed prior to that, you need manual commands [10:24] Most likely [10:26] darkxst, Unable to locate those packages [10:27] darkxst, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10790465/ [10:30] Paddy_NI_, unless you have done something silly like disable trusty-updates, they should be there [10:30] darkxst, Nope I have everything enabled [10:31] packages.ubuntu.com/trusty-updates/xserver-xorg-lts-utopic [10:31] or you are on 14.10? [10:32] Ha [10:32] Silly me [10:32] Yes [10:32] Paddy_NI_, you could try the 15.04 daily live image and see if that works better [10:33] darkxst, Hmm.. [10:33] I am a little reluctant - I'll make a decision after lunch :-) [10:34] Paddy_NI_, why? live image wont change anyhting on your system [10:34] and besides 15.04 is more stable already than 14.10 [10:34] darkxst, Oh I thought you meant installing the daily [10:34] darkxst, Sounds good [10:34] perhaps that is my best option [10:35] try it and see, if it works, just upgrade [10:37] Actually to hell with it, I may as well just perform an upgrade anyway for the fun [10:37] I forget the command for upgrading distros [10:38] sudo do-release-upgrade -d [10:40] "YO Johnny, I'll see in the next life!" [10:40] I'm already in the next life, wayland style ;) [10:41] Ah cool [10:41] When will Wayland become the default? [10:42] maybe by the next LTS [10:42] How stable/performant is it? [10:43] fairly good in 3.16, but still maybe only 95% [10:43] :-) [10:44] window resizing is glitchy [10:44] I think there are issues cut+pasting between wayland apps and Xwayland apps [10:45] I still don't understand why Canonical are opting to create their own [10:45] drag and drop still not quite fully functional either [10:45] Duplication of effort is really regressive behaviour [10:46] From an anthropological perspective [10:46] I don;t see how its regressive? [10:46] it's always easier to create something new than to understand something existing [10:46] but pretty sure they wanted a vertically integrated stack [10:47] I see [10:47] there original plan was to release in 6 months [10:48] that never ever would have been possible with wayland (disregarding that fact that it was always unlikely to be possible full stop) [10:48] Ambitious [10:49] It would be nice if something like the DLNA would/could be formed between all these different display standards [10:50] shuttleworth was a debian developer, but I sometimes wonder if he has any real coding experience [10:50] darkxst, Didn't he create VeriSign? [10:50] grammar fail [10:50] On my part [10:51] DLNA is rubbish anyway [10:52] Without it we would have epic duplication of effort [10:52] And zero interoperability [10:52] I use UPNP-AV every single day [10:52] It's how I consume my media [10:53] instead we have every player/server having to add quirks for nearly every device [10:53] Yes but the user does not have to care about that [10:53] As far as they are concerned it's all the same [10:53] Gratification is the goal [10:53] they do, when their device don't work with given program [10:54] its really like saying ie6 supported web standards, because most sites in existance added hacks to make it work [10:54] I do pretty well in my case [10:54] IE6 did not really though [10:55] They tried to reinvent the wheel so as to create vendor lock-in [10:56] My Sony Xperia Z2, Samsung Smart TV, Ubuntu Tower PC and a host of other devices all "just work" [10:56] I never have a problem with DLNA [10:57] I have also set my family up with Chromecast, BubbleUPNP, BubbleUPNP Server and either Twonky or minidlna depending on OS [10:57] They use it almost everyday without issue [10:59] dlna was a good concept but the execution was poor [10:59] darkxst, I guess that depends on the vendor [10:59] no, you don't see it, because the software is adapting to handles the quirks each vendor has [11:00] Yes true [11:00] that is not how 'standards' are meant to work though [11:00] Thus far Samsung has offered the best experience [11:00] there is still a duplication of effort there [11:01] I guess most of the issues are to do with format support [11:01] codecs [11:01] That I have seen [11:01] I have not actually witnessed any other kind of error [11:01] regarding upnp-av that is [11:02] no, codecs are a whole different story [11:02] If the vendors stop cheap skating then we should be okay [11:04] if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gfxboot-theme-ubuntu/+bug/1384188 won't be fixed for 15.04, I'll be mildly annoyed :/ [11:04] Ubuntu bug 1384188 in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "Missing translations for 'Install Ubuntu GNOME' and 'Try Ubuntu GNOME without installing'" [Undecided,Fix released] [11:04] :-( [11:11] mgedmin, were the translations approved in LP? [11:12] yes [11:12] all this needs is a launchpad export and a package update [11:12] I could probably produce a debdiff with updated translations (iirc the source tree has a script that does that), but I've no upload privileges [11:13] mgedmin, ask on #ubuntu-devel [11:13] syslinux wont have langpacks [11:14] so maybe it needs a debdiff to import the changes into the package [11:15] asked there two days ago, got this response: [11:15] " cyphermox, ^ it might be one for you? (updating gfxboot-theme-ubuntu with a new translations export)" [11:15] cyphermox never reacted [11:17] file a bug and/or chase up cyphermox [11:18] hes usually pretty responsive [11:20] darkxst, I actually almost forget the amount of trouble I had early on with dlna [11:21] I have developers to that for making up for the shortcomings of the big vendors [11:21] *thank [11:22] It would be nice to see some form of UPNP-AV integration with GNOME out-of-the-box [11:25] Paddy_NI_, I don't think totem supports upnp? [11:25] rhytmbox does, but thats only music from memory [11:25] Cool [11:26] It would be nice to have something more tightly integrated [11:26] I always either install Rygel or minidlna [11:26] like what? [11:26] darkxst, Something akin to "online accounts" [11:27] Media Sharing [11:27] propose it upstream [11:27] Toggle for photos, toggle for video, toggle for music [11:28] darkxst, That sounds like a plan [11:29] Food is needing attention [11:31] Tomorrow I will make Seafood Chowder, yum [11:42] Paddy_NI_ hungry? so planning tomorrows dinner? [11:44] hello folks [11:46] i'm coming to you to see if someone has the same bug that I have on 14.10 : when i lock my keyboard, keymap (which is usually azerty) switches to qwerty and i loose all tray icons, i has to restart with alt+f2 / r and then re-swtich keymap with super+space to recover my initial state [11:46] that's kind of a pita, if someone has solved this [11:46] i really can use a hint :) [11:50] I've heard about the bug where the keyboard layout reverts to us-ascii [11:51] (not only heard, I have it) [11:51] losing tray icons? no clue [11:59] that's linked imho (i'm using topicons, btw) [12:00] darkxst, I am in the process of preparing a late lunch [12:01] I had lunch 10 hours ago [12:01] darkxst, I have plenty of Salmon left over frozen from yesterday and some smoked and unsmoked river cobbler [12:01] where are you from? [12:01] Also a bag of mixed seafood, prawns etc [12:01] darkxst, Northern Ireland [12:01] :-) [12:01] You? [12:02] Australia [12:02] Google Keep shopping list: Double Cream [12:02] This is going to be tasty [12:02] Australia will be a destination at some point in my life [12:03] Okay the Upgrade has completed, I shall restart and return :-) [12:07] darkxst, Buttery smooth :-) [12:07] Lovely [12:07] Paddy_NI, enjoy [12:07] This feels right [15:51] hello [17:35] I have upgraded to Ubuntu GNOME 15.04, is there a relatively simple way to get GNOME 3.16? [18:16] Hello, i have a boot issue with ubuntu gnome vivid, grub2. Freshly installed sys, last installed package: fglrx-driver [18:16] I also have a BootInfo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10793356/ [18:16] I only see the grey rectangle after BIOS and nothing happens.