[03:50] <LinDol_phone> hi all :)
[10:12] <Paddy_NI_> Hi I am having some very "jerky" window resizing on Ubuntu Gnome (current stable). Particularly when maximizing windows - I'm also noticing with "Terminator" when I maximise that the right half of the window does not show nor does the lower half of the left side.
[10:13] <Paddy_NI_> Would a screenshot of Terminator be of any use?
[10:13] <darkxst> Paddy_NI_, if that only affects terminator, then it could be a bug in that app
[10:14] <darkxst> we don't support it, whatever it is
[10:14] <Paddy_NI_> Well I notice other apps try to do the same
[10:14] <Paddy_NI_> However they eventually draw the rest
[10:14] <Paddy_NI_> Still incredibly jerky
[10:14] <Paddy_NI_> xchat is doing it too
[10:14] <darkxst> i've only seen jerky resizes under wayland
[10:15] <Paddy_NI_> gnome-terminal is also doing it very briefly
[10:15] <mgedmin> "current stable" is what, gnome 3.12 from ubuntu gnome 14.10?
[10:15] <darkxst> but could be a driver bug
[10:15] <Paddy_NI_> mgedmin, Current "Ubuntu Gnome"
[10:15] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, Possible
[10:15] <Paddy_NI_> Intel graphics
[10:15] <Paddy_NI_> ThinkPad T420
[10:15] <Paddy_NI_> I'll ask the Lord Google
[10:15] <Paddy_NI_> :-)
[10:16] <darkxst> Paddy_NI_, smooth as butter on my T400
[10:16] <Paddy_NI_> :-(
[10:16] <mgedmin> x220 here, no video jerkiness
[10:16] <Paddy_NI_> I have not tried playing video yet
[10:16] <Paddy_NI_> Wanted to get window management down first
[10:16] <mgedmin> chromium has some slight problems with video
[10:17] <mgedmin> (hardware accelerated video not worky due to some dri3 wonkiness, so it falls back to pure-software aliased linear scaling ugh)
[10:17] <Paddy_NI_> lol
[10:17] <Paddy_NI_> I cannot screenshot it
[10:17] <mgedmin> that is interesting
[10:17] <Paddy_NI_> Screenshots seem to make it look normal again
[10:18] <mgedmin> well, gnome-shell does the "flash" effect that effectively redraws the whole screen
[10:18] <mgedmin> (after it takes the screenshot)
[10:18] <Paddy_NI_> When I highlight the non-displaying area with my mouse (or keyboard) it begins to display
[10:18] <mgedmin> do you see any damage in the screenshot?
[10:18] <mgedmin> incidentally
[10:18] <Paddy_NI_> mgedmin, Exactly what I was thinking
[10:18] <darkxst> dri3 is still broken in general I believe
[10:18] <Paddy_NI_> No the screenshot looks perfect
[10:18] <mgedmin> I have very similar problems on my x200 at home (ubuntu 14.10, gnome 3.14, intel video)
[10:18] <Paddy_NI_> hmm
[10:19] <Paddy_NI_> Does the "Intel Graphics Installer" work on the current "Ubuntu Gnome"
[10:19] <Paddy_NI_> I must check that out
[10:19] <darkxst> not unless they made a new release recently
[10:20] <mgedmin> ha ha my x220 just rebooted
[10:20] <mgedmin> #readyforthedesktop
[10:20] <mgedmin> @!#%@!#
[10:20] <meetingology> mgedmin: Error: "!#%@!#" is not a valid command.
[10:20] <mgedmin> anyway, as I was saying my x200 has video redraw problems
[10:20] <mgedmin> nautilus windows are corrupt sometimes (esp. the left sidebar)
[10:20] <mgedmin> moving the mouse over them makes things appear correctly
[10:20] <mgedmin> I suspect the intel video driver
[10:21] <Paddy_NI_> hmm this article mentions that Ubuntu 14.04 LTS has entered deprecated status
[10:21] <Paddy_NI_> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/03/latest-intel-linux-graphics-drivers-now-available-for-ubuntu-14-10
[10:21] <mgedmin> the x220 has no graphics problems otoh (also intel video, different model probably?)
[10:21] <Paddy_NI_> as far as using the intel driver goes I wonder if it is worth my while
[10:21] <Paddy_NI_> "intel graphics installer" rather
[10:21] <mgedmin> probably not
[10:22] <mgedmin> the best thing (not for you, but for everyone) would be to report a bug in launchpad
[10:22] <Paddy_NI_> mgedmin, The x220 and the T420 are virtually identical regarding hardware
[10:22] <mgedmin> using ubuntu-bug, so it attaches all the relevant system info
[10:22] <darkxst> Paddy_NI_, 14.04 would have got the newer intel drivers with the HWE stack
[10:22] <darkxst> (but that is optional)
[10:22] <mgedmin> then you'll get an automated reply asking to test the latest upstream kernel (because the intel kms driver is part of the kernel)
[10:22] <mgedmin> with clear instructions on how to do so
[10:22] <mgedmin> you'll do that, report the results
[10:22] <mgedmin> and after that nothing will happen
[10:22] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, So I would have to do something to make it use it?
[10:23] <Paddy_NI_> mgedmin, If I am to file a bug then I should probably do this after lunch/brunch so that I can give it proper attention
[10:24] <darkxst> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[10:24] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, Cool :-)
[10:24] <darkxst> its included in 14.04.2 but if you installed prior to that, you need manual commands
[10:24] <Paddy_NI_> Most likely
[10:26] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, Unable to locate those packages
[10:27] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10790465/
[10:30] <darkxst> Paddy_NI_, unless you have done something silly like disable trusty-updates, they should be there
[10:30] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, Nope I have everything enabled
[10:31] <darkxst> packages.ubuntu.com/trusty-updates/xserver-xorg-lts-utopic
[10:31] <darkxst> or you are on 14.10?
[10:32] <Paddy_NI_> Ha
[10:32] <Paddy_NI_> Silly me
[10:32] <Paddy_NI_> Yes
[10:32] <darkxst> Paddy_NI_, you could try the 15.04 daily live image and see if that works better
[10:33] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, Hmm..
[10:33] <Paddy_NI_> I am a little reluctant - I'll make a decision after lunch :-)
[10:34] <darkxst> Paddy_NI_, why? live image wont change anyhting on your system
[10:34] <darkxst> and besides 15.04 is more stable already than 14.10
[10:34] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, Oh I thought you meant installing the daily
[10:34] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, Sounds good
[10:34] <Paddy_NI_> perhaps that is my best option
[10:35] <darkxst> try it and see, if it works, just upgrade
[10:37] <Paddy_NI_> Actually to hell with it, I may as well just perform an upgrade anyway for the fun
[10:37] <Paddy_NI_> I forget the command for upgrading distros
[10:38] <Paddy_NI_> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[10:40] <Paddy_NI_> "YO Johnny, I'll see in the next life!"
[10:40] <darkxst> I'm already in the next life, wayland style ;)
[10:41] <Paddy_NI_> Ah cool
[10:41] <Paddy_NI_> When will Wayland become the default?
[10:42] <darkxst> maybe by the next LTS
[10:42] <Paddy_NI_> How stable/performant is it?
[10:43] <darkxst> fairly good in 3.16, but still maybe only 95%
[10:43] <Paddy_NI_> :-)
[10:44] <darkxst> window resizing is glitchy
[10:44] <darkxst> I think there are issues cut+pasting between wayland apps and Xwayland apps
[10:45] <Paddy_NI_> I still don't understand why Canonical are opting to create their own
[10:45] <darkxst> drag and drop still not quite fully functional either
[10:45] <Paddy_NI_> Duplication of effort is really regressive behaviour
[10:46] <Paddy_NI_> From an anthropological perspective
[10:46] <darkxst> I don;t see how its regressive?
[10:46] <mgedmin> it's always easier to create something new than to understand something existing
[10:46] <darkxst> but pretty sure they wanted a vertically integrated stack
[10:47] <Paddy_NI_> I see
[10:47] <darkxst> there original plan was to release in 6 months
[10:48] <darkxst> that never ever would have been possible with wayland (disregarding that fact that it was always unlikely to be possible full stop)
[10:48] <Paddy_NI_> Ambitious
[10:49] <Paddy_NI_> It would be nice if something like the DLNA would/could be formed between all these different display standards
[10:50] <darkxst> shuttleworth was a debian developer, but I sometimes wonder if he has any real coding experience
[10:50] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, Didn't he create VeriSign?
[10:50] <Paddy_NI_> grammar fail
[10:50] <Paddy_NI_> On my part
[10:51] <darkxst> DLNA is rubbish anyway
[10:52] <Paddy_NI_> Without it we would have epic duplication of effort
[10:52] <Paddy_NI_> And zero interoperability
[10:52] <Paddy_NI_> I use UPNP-AV every single day
[10:52] <Paddy_NI_> It's how I consume my media
[10:53] <darkxst> instead we have every player/server having to add quirks for nearly every device
[10:53] <Paddy_NI_> Yes but the user does not have to care about that
[10:53] <Paddy_NI_> As far as they are concerned it's all the same
[10:53] <Paddy_NI_> Gratification is the goal
[10:53] <darkxst> they do, when their device don't work with given program
[10:54] <darkxst> its really like saying ie6 supported web standards, because most sites in existance added hacks to make it work
[10:54] <Paddy_NI_> I do pretty well in my case
[10:54] <Paddy_NI_> IE6 did not really though
[10:55] <Paddy_NI_> They tried to reinvent the wheel so as to create vendor lock-in
[10:56] <Paddy_NI_> My Sony Xperia Z2, Samsung Smart TV, Ubuntu Tower PC and a host of other devices all "just work"
[10:56] <Paddy_NI_> I never have a problem with DLNA
[10:57] <Paddy_NI_> I have also set my family up with Chromecast, BubbleUPNP, BubbleUPNP Server and either Twonky or minidlna depending on OS
[10:57] <Paddy_NI_> They use it almost everyday without issue
[10:59] <darkxst> dlna was a good concept but the execution was poor
[10:59] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, I guess that depends on the vendor
[10:59] <darkxst> no, you don't see it, because the software is adapting to handles the quirks each vendor has
[11:00] <Paddy_NI_> Yes true
[11:00] <darkxst> that is not how 'standards' are meant to work though
[11:00] <Paddy_NI_> Thus far Samsung has offered the best experience
[11:00] <darkxst> there is still a duplication of effort there
[11:01] <Paddy_NI_> I guess most of the issues are to do with format support
[11:01] <Paddy_NI_> codecs
[11:01] <Paddy_NI_> That I have seen
[11:01] <Paddy_NI_> I have not actually witnessed any other kind of error
[11:01] <Paddy_NI_> regarding upnp-av that is
[11:02] <darkxst> no, codecs are a whole different story
[11:02] <Paddy_NI_> If the vendors stop cheap skating then we should be okay
[11:04] <mgedmin> if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gfxboot-theme-ubuntu/+bug/1384188 won't be fixed for 15.04, I'll be mildly annoyed :/
[11:04] <Paddy_NI_> :-(
[11:11] <darkxst> mgedmin, were the translations approved in LP?
[11:12] <mgedmin> yes
[11:12] <mgedmin> all this needs is a launchpad export and a package update
[11:12] <mgedmin> I could probably produce a debdiff with updated translations (iirc the source tree has a script that does that), but I've no upload privileges
[11:13] <darkxst> mgedmin, ask on #ubuntu-devel
[11:13] <darkxst> syslinux wont have langpacks
[11:14] <darkxst> so maybe it needs a debdiff to import the changes into the package
[11:15] <mgedmin> asked there two days ago, got this response:
[11:15] <mgedmin> "<seb128>	cyphermox, ^ it might be one for you? (updating gfxboot-theme-ubuntu with a new translations export)"
[11:15] <mgedmin> cyphermox never reacted
[11:17] <darkxst> file a bug and/or chase up cyphermox
[11:18] <darkxst> hes usually pretty responsive
[11:20] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, I actually almost forget the amount of trouble I had early on with dlna
[11:21] <Paddy_NI_> I have developers to that for making up for the shortcomings of the big vendors
[11:21] <Paddy_NI_> *thank
[11:22] <Paddy_NI_> It would be nice to see some form of UPNP-AV integration with GNOME out-of-the-box
[11:25] <darkxst> Paddy_NI_, I don't think totem supports upnp?
[11:25] <darkxst> rhytmbox does, but thats only music from memory
[11:25] <Paddy_NI_> Cool
[11:26] <Paddy_NI_> It would be nice to have something more tightly integrated
[11:26] <Paddy_NI_> I always either install Rygel or minidlna
[11:26] <darkxst> like what?
[11:26] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, Something akin to "online accounts"
[11:27] <Paddy_NI_> Media Sharing
[11:27] <darkxst> propose it upstream
[11:27] <Paddy_NI_> Toggle for photos, toggle for video, toggle for music
[11:28] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, That sounds like a plan
[11:29] <Paddy_NI_> Food is needing attention
[11:31] <Paddy_NI_> Tomorrow I will make Seafood Chowder, yum
[11:42] <darkxst> Paddy_NI_ hungry? so planning tomorrows dinner?
[11:44] <Doo_> hello folks
[11:46] <Doo_> i'm coming to you to see if someone has the same bug that I have on 14.10 : when i lock my keyboard, keymap (which is usually azerty) switches to qwerty and i loose all tray icons, i has to restart with alt+f2 / r and then re-swtich keymap with super+space to recover my initial state
[11:46] <Doo_> that's kind of a pita, if someone has solved this
[11:46] <Doo_> i really can use a hint :)
[11:50] <mgedmin> I've heard about the bug where the keyboard layout reverts to us-ascii
[11:51] <mgedmin> (not only heard, I have it)
[11:51] <mgedmin> losing tray icons?  no clue
[11:59] <Doo_> that's linked imho (i'm using topicons, btw)
[12:00] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, I am in the process of preparing a late lunch
[12:01] <darkxst> I had lunch 10 hours ago
[12:01] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, I have plenty of Salmon left over frozen from yesterday and some smoked and unsmoked river cobbler
[12:01] <darkxst> where are you from?
[12:01] <Paddy_NI_> Also a bag of mixed seafood, prawns etc
[12:01] <Paddy_NI_> darkxst, Northern Ireland
[12:01] <Paddy_NI_> :-)
[12:01] <Paddy_NI_> You?
[12:02] <darkxst> Australia
[12:02] <Paddy_NI_> Google Keep shopping list: Double Cream
[12:02] <Paddy_NI_> This is going to be tasty
[12:02] <Paddy_NI_> Australia will be a destination at some point in my life
[12:03] <Paddy_NI_> Okay the Upgrade has completed, I shall restart and return :-)
[12:07] <Paddy_NI> darkxst, Buttery smooth :-)
[12:07] <Paddy_NI> Lovely
[12:07] <darkxst> Paddy_NI, enjoy
[12:07] <Paddy_NI> This feels right
[15:51] <rgb-one> hello
[17:35] <Paddy_NI> I have upgraded to Ubuntu GNOME 15.04, is there a relatively simple way to get GNOME 3.16?
[18:16] <massiveblue> Hello, i have a boot issue with ubuntu gnome vivid, grub2. Freshly installed sys, last installed package: fglrx-driver
[18:16] <massiveblue> I also have a BootInfo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10793356/
[18:16] <massiveblue> I only see the grey rectangle after BIOS and nothing happens.