[00:24] <ahoneybun> thanks valorie and mparillo
[00:34] <ahoneybun> darn thumb will not update
[00:39] <ahoneybun> fixed valorie
[01:10] <mparillo> On the Facebook Graphic on  http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/community/ most of that area does not go to https://www.facebook.com/kubuntu.org?ref=stream That is, it is more like a snapshot of a real facebook page, but I wonder if many people will zoom down and click in the area, rather than watching the target change as they mouse around.
[01:11] <mparillo> Actually, it is kinda true for all the social media graphics, but for the rest, I think it is a little more obvious what is going on.
[01:50] <valorie> identi.ca, that's what I couldn't recall
[01:50] <valorie> thank you elky
[01:51] <valorie> ahoneybun: shouldn't that first link be ~/Documents/etc.
[01:52] <valorie> you have =Documents
[06:35] <ahoneybun> valorie: I always use Documents as I'm in my home directory but I believe your right
[06:36] <ahoneybun> but in dd your telling it where the iso is
[06:37] <ahoneybun> night/morning
[06:40] <valorie> yes I understand, but the actual path is /home/username/Documents/etc.
[06:41] <valorie> or shortform: ~/Documents
[06:43] <ovidiu-florin> Gooooood morning
[06:44] <ovidiu-florin> and it's so good that I've improved the header title http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/contribute-to-kubuntu/
[06:44] <ovidiu-florin> it's prettyer now
[06:44] <valorie> that's beautiful!
[06:47] <ovidiu-florin> I believe Community, Contribute and Donate shoul be on the same page
[06:47] <ovidiu-florin> or a main page and subpages
[06:47] <ovidiu-florin> their content are very closely related and they should be agregated
[06:48] <ovidiu-florin> anyone else?
[06:49]  * ovidiu-florin is brainstorming while going through the feedback
[06:50] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: ping
[06:50] <ovidiu-florin> by icons you mean navigation icons? https://trello.com/c/fTDbCsr9/28-feature-tour
[06:50] <kubotu_> [Kubuntu Promotion :: Feedback :: Feature tour ++ ]
[06:51] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: could you help me with something?
[07:00] <ovidiu-florin> or anyone for that matter
[07:00] <ovidiu-florin> kubotu_: give me a beer
[07:00] <ovidiu-florin> kubotu_ hates me
[07:01] <ovidiu-florin> I need to go through all the feedback and create trello cards for each suggestion
[07:01] <ovidiu-florin> please help
[07:11] <valorie> kubotu_: give ovidiu-florin a beer
[07:11] <valorie> pfff
[07:11] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: "Community, Contribute and Donate shoul be on the same page" or subpages: yes
[07:11] <valorie> I agree
[07:12] <valorie> !beer | ovidiu-florin
[07:12] <valorie> pfff
[08:03] <Peace-> Riddell: 
[08:18] <Peace-> libkf5people-data  try to install that
[08:18] <Peace-> you will get an error
[08:53] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:02] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: yes
[09:03] <yofel> Peace-: known, he was looking at it
[09:04] <Peace-> i got other errors btw 
[09:04] <Peace-> for exmaple 
[09:05] <Peace-> sudo apt-get install plasma-widget* does errors but i guess it's normal they are the old plasma wigets  i guess
[10:59] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:52] <Peace-> +-.- 
[11:52] <Peace-> qmlplugindump: could not exec '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qmlplugindump': No such file or directory
[11:55] <yofel> Peace-: you want qtdeclarative5-dev-tools
[11:56] <Peace-> yofel: thank you
[12:02] <Peace-> yofel: i can't get qtcreator working properly 
[12:02] <Peace-> i tried everything 
[12:02] <Peace-> file:///home/semvivid/wq/wq.qml:22 plugin cannot be loaded for module "org.kde.plasma.core"
[12:03] <Peace-> i added this to wq.qmlproject
[12:03] <Peace-> importPaths: [ "/usr/lib/kde4/imports" ]
[12:04] <yofel> kde4?
[12:04] <Peace-> plasma 5
[12:04] <Peace-> ah
[12:04] <Peace-> shit
[12:05] <Peace-> mm but i have that folder
[12:05] <Peace-> mmm
[12:05] <yofel> well, we do still have kde4 apps around
[12:07] <yofel> Peace-: you probably want /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/ ?
[12:07] <yofel> QML isn't my field of expertise I fear..
[12:08] <Peace-> ok let's try 
[12:11] <Peace-> mp
[12:11] <Peace-> no
[12:12] <Peace-> yofel: it seems it doesn't work no
[12:12] <Peace-> ah shit
[12:12] <yofel> #kde-devel would probably be more helpful at this point
[12:13] <Peace-> yofel: thank you
[14:13] <BluesKaj> odd , suddenly the cursor turns in to an I on the Konversation tabs, like a it does in the textbox, and makes it difficult to see
[14:36] <BluesKaj> ok , a reboot fixed the cursor problem
[14:45] <BluesKaj> no more kmix in the sytem tray, there's no widget either
[14:59] <jalo> Would it be possible to add https on www.hellotux.com delivery info page?
[15:13] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: lots of good stuff here that could be one page for the new site https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Contribute
[15:27] <ahoneybun> this is a great video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYrobaenFCc
[15:48] <Guest72465> tis I Sick_Rimmit
[17:24] <ovidiu-florin> kubotu_: give me a beer
[17:24] <soee> :)
[17:27] <Riddell> kubotu_: beer for ovidiu-florin 
[17:27]  * Riddell slides a sangria down the table to ovidiu-florin 
[17:28] <ovidiu-florin> thank you Riddell
[17:28] <ovidiu-florin> kubotu_: doesn't seem to care about me
[17:29] <soee> Riddell: this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sddm/+bug/1407152
[17:29] <soee> i think it has been fixed somehow in todays update to kernel or systemd or something
[17:29] <ovidiu-florin> regarding sddm.....
[17:29] <soee> but we can logout now so this was related to sddm ?
[17:30] <ovidiu-florin> when resuming from standby I can see my wondws and after a second ot 2 I'm presented with the login prompt
[17:30] <ovidiu-florin> I can't report it since it doesn't always happen
[17:30] <soee> 2 users also confirme dtaht logut works for them now /  under this bug report
[17:31] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: do you know anything about aseigo?
[17:31] <ovidiu-florin> where is he?
[17:32] <ovidiu-florin> I've been trying to get in touch with him for a while
[17:33] <soee> ovidiu-florin: i thnk T-Shorts can be removed from main nav as it is in footer and its not as much important as othes
[17:33] <soee> *T-Shirts
[17:33] <ovidiu-florin> so have you voted?
[17:33] <soee> ovidiu-florin: my votes are there liek 3 days ?
[17:34] <ovidiu-florin> so that will be taken into consideration
[17:34]  * ovidiu-florin is talking formally
[17:34] <ovidiu-florin> :P
[17:34] <ovidiu-florin> I'll fix the menus once I finish getting through all the feedback
[17:34] <ovidiu-florin> and creating trello cards
[17:35] <ovidiu-florin> this is what I asked the feedbakers to do.....
[17:35] <soee> ovidiu-florin: nice change with the page title on subpages / without bckground
[17:35] <ovidiu-florin> so I don't have to do it again
[17:35] <yofel> kubotu_: order beer for ovidiu-florin
[17:35]  * kubotu_ gives ovidiu-florin a nice frosty mug of beer.
[17:35] <soee> though, why not using Oxygen font ?
[17:35] <ovidiu-florin> fianlly
[17:35] <yofel> ;)
[17:37] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: http://www.dragosasaftei.ro/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/fotografie-de-produs-cu-amintire-silva-dark-7.jpg
[17:37] <ovidiu-florin> this is what I'm having :D
[17:37] <yofel> *drool*
[17:37] <ovidiu-florin> romanian beer
[17:38] <yofel> thanks for making me envious ;P
[17:38] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: come visit
[17:38] <ovidiu-florin> you can have a dusin
[17:38] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: he'll be at the pim sprint this weekend in france
[17:39] <ovidiu-florin> that's why he ignores his emails?
[17:39] <yofel> hardly the time for it, otherwise would love to
[17:39] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: I've no idea about that
[17:39] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: do you have Georg's email?
[17:39] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: I do not
[17:39] <ovidiu-florin> awesome....
[17:39] <soee> ovidiu-florin: also try setting for the page title text shadow: 1px 1px 5px rgb(60, 60, 60);
[17:40] <ovidiu-florin> soee: please make a trello card for that
[17:40] <ovidiu-florin> put it in ToDo
[17:40] <soee> i have no idea how to use this trello :D
[17:40] <Riddell> ScottK: remember bug 1400730 if you're in a useful mood
[17:40] <ovidiu-florin> kubotu_: !trello soee
[17:41] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: how do I do this? ^
[17:41] <soee> do i have to somehow join teh group or something ?
[17:41] <ovidiu-florin> pm me your email
[17:41] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: I'm clueless about the trello plugin I fear
[17:41] <soee> ovidiu-florin: my email ?
[17:42] <ovidiu-florin> in private please
[17:42] <ovidiu-florin> soee: you're in
[17:42] <ovidiu-florin> https://trello.com/b/3Fo1KXoN/kubuntu-promotion
[17:44] <ovidiu-florin> soee: you can add the card details in the card description
[17:44] <ovidiu-florin> just below the title
[17:45] <soee> ovidiu-florin: like i did now is fine ?
[17:45] <ovidiu-florin> it's ok
[17:48] <ovidiu-florin> soee: can you split Bart's email into trello cards in the feedback list?
[17:49] <soee> what email ?
[17:50] <darthanubis> http://pasteboard.co/2utSJCgj.png
[17:50] <ovidiu-florin> soee: this one: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2015-April/009453.html
[17:51] <ovidiu-florin> darthanubis: ?
[17:51] <darthanubis> I have installed the restricted and extra packages, and mscorefonts-installer is installed
[17:52] <darthanubis> but I don't think these packages have installed the normal files it usually have
[17:52] <darthanubis> I even installed the ubuntu-restricted and extras
[17:52] <darthanubis> It seems these packages are not ready? And was wondering if anyone else was experiencing this?
[17:53] <soee> some user had also problems with ms fonts last days
[17:53] <soee> darthanubis: try reinstalling this ms- package
[17:54] <darthanubis> so I get this noticfication in the taskbar ever restart as a result
[17:54] <darthanubis> of course I already tried reinstalling the package. Butit does not actually pull the archive unpack it and install, like every year hence before
[17:57] <Riddell> frecel: I'm still happy to give you a packaging tutorial if you're interested
[18:05] <soee> ovidiu-florin: im not sure what exactly i shoudl put form that mail to dotos, its more like discussion atm
[19:25] <soee> sgclark: hows the work on frameworks going ?
[19:25] <sgclark> soee: oh
[19:25] <sgclark> right
[19:25] <sgclark> well
[19:25] <soee> :)
[19:25] <sgclark> done but the new frameowrk and a silly patch..
[19:26] <sgclark> but distracted by kde ci..
[19:26] <Riddell> sgclark: need me to help?
[19:26] <sgclark> Riddell: sure :) add a new repo for modemmanager-qt
[19:27] <sgclark> I can build it I think 
[19:27] <sgclark> but I do need this evening off..
[19:29] <Riddell> sgclark: hasn't sitter already packaged it as part of kubuntu ci?
[19:29] <sgclark> hmm
[19:29] <Riddell> sgclark: rest your weary fingertips :)
[19:29] <sgclark> maybe
[19:29] <Riddell> sgclark: what ppa are you using?
[19:30] <sgclark> proably just need kubuntu_archive branch
[19:30] <sgclark> umm 
[19:30] <sgclark> next staging
[19:30] <sgclark> I think lol
[19:30] <sgclark> oh
[19:30] <sgclark> darn
[19:30] <sgclark> forgot the status sheet.. one sec
[19:35] <soee> why there are posts in some non-english language for example about KF 5.9 https://planetkde.org/
[19:35] <soee> and there is no in english ? :)
[19:35] <soee> planekde doen't work with https://www.kde.org/announcements/kde-frameworks-5.9.0.php ?
[19:35] <sgclark> those are personal blogs no?
[19:35] <soee> oh i duuno
[19:35] <sgclark> yeah
[19:36] <sgclark> those are just links to personal blogs
[19:36] <sgclark> well
[19:36] <soee> for me planetkde is like nive place to get info about what is going on in kde world
[19:36] <sgclark> dev blogs
[19:36] <sgclark> yep
[19:36] <soee> would be goot ot have there also announcelments for officil webs
[19:36] <sgclark> but some are in languages I cannot read lol
[19:36] <soee> sgclark: thats what i talking about :) ome starnge langs
[19:36] <soee> well meybe not strange but i don not speakread them :)
[19:37] <sgclark> it looks much nicer than before though.. planetkde that is
[19:37] <sgclark> our site too :)
[19:37] <sgclark> much nicer
[19:37] <sgclark> just so busy I don't have time to read anymore :(
[19:38] <soee> you shoud one eye and one hand work, and second read :D
[19:38] <sgclark> :)
[19:38] <Riddell> soee: the trouble is that https://dot.kde.org/ needs more editors, it didn't get a frameworks 5.9 story
[19:39] <Riddell> volunteers welcome
[19:39] <sgclark> Riddell: status ^
[19:39] <Riddell> thanks sgclark 
[19:39] <sgclark> no no, thank you!
[19:39] <sgclark> oh
[19:40] <sgclark> Riddell: I always get Can't retry with that retry script. What am I doing wrong :(
[19:40] <sgclark> I was up late.. hitting retry..
[19:41] <sgclark> it looks like it is trying.. lists them with the arch.. but error
[19:49] <soee> Riddell: ill be more active and try to do more web related stuff after my personal projects are done
[19:51] <Riddell> sgclark: are you using --force ? I don't know why but it seems to need it
[19:51] <soee> i like to be informed and probably a lot of other users, thats why i often post some info on g+ liek now https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/Sjg6kySPCYo
[19:51] <soee>  :)
[19:52] <frecel> Riddell: I have a free afternoon now, we could go through the packaging process if you have some time
[19:53] <sgclark> Riddell: ahh no, that probably it
[19:54] <Riddell> frecel: make a launchpad account and add your ssh key and I'll set up a shared server
[19:54] <frecel> Already have one
[19:54] <Riddell> frecel: url?
[19:55] <frecel> Oh I might have to do the ssh thing again, I reinstalled for 15.04
[19:58] <frecel> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~frecel
[20:00] <Riddell> frecel: ssh ubuntu@ec2-54-159-224-203.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[20:01] <Riddell> type something when you get in
[20:02] <frecel> Riddell: give me a second, I have to mighrate my key from a different partition
[20:06] <frecel> Riddell: I had to change my key
[20:07] <Riddell> frecel: do I have the right one?
[20:07] <frecel> no
[20:08] <Riddell> frecel: have you updated launchpad?
[20:08] <frecel> Riddell: yes
[20:09] <Riddell> frecel: ssh ubuntu@ec2-54-159-224-203.compute-1.amazonaws.com   now
[20:10] <frecel> hmm I'm still gettin permission denied
[20:11] <Riddell> frecel: try now, password foobar
[20:13] <frecel> Sorry about that, I don't use lp often. I'm in now
[20:14] <Riddell> frecel: great
[20:15] <Riddell> frecel: this is shared ec2 cloud server from amazon, we can both see and interact with the session
[20:15] <Riddell> frecel: shall we package something?
[20:15] <frecel> Riddell: sounds good
[20:15] <Riddell> frecel: I see a new version of digikam is out https://www.digikam.org/
[20:16] <Riddell> frecel: by checking on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/digikam you can see we are at 4.7.0
[20:16] <Riddell> frecel: first thing to check is do debian have a newer version
[20:16] <Riddell> which is at https://packages.debian.org/src:digikam
[20:16] <Riddell> frecel: do they?
[20:17] <frecel> Riddell: sid is at 4.4.4.0-1.1
[20:18] <Riddell> sounds old, guess we need to do it outselves
[20:18] <Riddell> frecel: get the current package with  apt-get source digikam
[20:18] <Riddell> frecel: actually make a directory called current and do that
[20:19] <Riddell> frecel: you've done this before so tell me if you know it all
[20:19] <Riddell> frecel: that downloaded the upstream "orig" tar and the packaging debian.tar
[20:20] <Riddell> and a .dsc with description metadata
[20:20] <frecel> it's been a while, so it's probably better if we cover it all
[20:20] <Riddell> frecel: look in digikam-4.7.0/debian for the packaging
[20:22] <Riddell> frecel: it's quite a complex app this so there's quite a lot
[20:22] <Riddell> but the .install files have the file in each of the .deb packages that will get made
[20:22] <Riddell> frecel: and the control file has the descriptions of the packages to make
[20:23] <Riddell> and the rules file is the complex bit, it's a makefile to build install and make the .debs
[20:23] <Riddell> looking at it there's some mess in there which is no longer needed, I think whoever packaged this last didn't tidy up
[20:24] <Riddell> frecel: look at the files and see if you understand them
[20:24] <Riddell> and ask me what you don't
[20:26] <Riddell> most of the process is done by debhelper a set of perl scripts to do the configure/build/install/generate package etc that's the dh_foo scripts
[20:26] <Riddell> and the makefile has those override_dh_foo lines to alter the defaults
[20:27] <frecel> I'm not an expert on make but most of this is fairly self explanatory
[20:27] <Riddell> nobody is, mostly you copy and paste from another project :)
[20:27] <Riddell> frecel: right let's do the new one
[20:27] <Riddell> frecel: cd out of current and wget the new one from http://download.kde.org/stable/digikam/
[20:28] <frecel> Riddell: 4.9?
[20:29] <Riddell> yep
[20:30] <Riddell> frecel: rename it to digikam_4.9.0.orig.tar.bz2
[20:30] <Riddell> and uncompress
[20:31] <Riddell> frecel: tip: you can just use  tar xf  with tar it'll work out the compression these days
[20:32] <Riddell> frecel: rename it to digikam_4.9.0.orig.tar.bz2
[20:32] <frecel> Riddell: I've been uncompressing by right clicking on packages in dolphin for too long :D
[20:33] <Riddell> packaging is mostly a command line task I'm afraid :)
[20:34] <Riddell> frecel: digikam_4.9.0.orig.tar.bz2  note the underscre 
[20:34] <Riddell> underscore
[20:34] <Riddell> deb packages are fussy about the source tar name
[20:36] <Riddell> frecel: inside the uncompressed directory copy over the debian/ directory from the current package
[20:38] <Riddell> frecel: cd into digikam-4.9.0/
[20:38] <Riddell> and add a new changelog entry with  dch -i
[20:39] <Riddell> frecel: this opens emacs as an editor, you know emacs right?
[20:39] <frecel> Riddell: I'm a vim guy
[20:39] <Riddell> bah! :)
[20:39] <Riddell> frecel: here you go
[20:40] <frecel> my pinky is untrained in pressing Ctrl all the time :D
[20:40] <Riddell> frecel: add a 1 line changelog, fix up version number and name/email
[20:42] <frecel> what is the ubuntu1/ubuntu2 part of the version number?
[20:43] <Riddell> 4:4.9.0-0ubuntu2
[20:43] <Riddell> 4: is the epoch, it resets the version number incase you want to go lower than the one before
[20:43] <Riddell> 4.9.0 is upstream
[20:43] <Riddell> -0 is debian (0 because this isn't in debian yet)
[20:44] <Riddell> and ubuntu2 is the ubuntu version
[20:44] <Riddell> frecel: so set it to ubuntu1 as this is the first ubuntu version of 4.9.0
[20:47] <frecel> Riddell: I have no iea how to insert RFC822 date format into vim :D
[20:48] <Riddell> frecel: well don't, the idea of dch is it gives you a template and does that for you
[20:49] <Riddell> frecel: remove what you've done
[20:49] <Riddell> frecel: the "digikam (4:4.7.0-0ubuntu2)" line is the start of a template for you to eidt
[20:49] <Riddell> edit
[20:52] <Riddell> frecel: lovely save it
[20:52] <Riddell> and quit
[20:53] <Riddell> frecel: let me tidy up some stuff
[20:55] <Riddell> frecel: right I just removed some old files from packages that I should have removed last time I updated it
[20:55] <Riddell> frecel: so let's see if it builds  debuild -j2  will compile it
[20:55] <Riddell> or rather will tell us what it needs before it can compile it
[20:55] <Riddell> frecel: that's all the build-depends listed in debian/control
[20:56] <Riddell> frecel: /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends
[20:56] <Riddell> is the clumsy titled script to install them
[20:57] <frecel> Riddell: why did it abort?
[20:57] <Riddell> frecel: did you abort?
[20:57] <Riddell> bah
[20:58] <Riddell> frecel: well best install them by hand!
[20:58] <Riddell> sudo apt install ....
[20:58] <Riddell> copy and paste job
[20:59] <frecel> can't select it
[21:00] <frecel> Riddell: oh, you are just doing it by hand like that
[21:01] <Riddell> frecel: looks like mysql-server-core-5.5 is now mysql-server-core-5.6
[21:01] <Riddell> frecel: edit that in debian/control
[21:01] <Riddell> and run the apt line again with it changed
[21:03] <Riddell> frecel: oh I see pbuilder-satisfydepends has confused apt now
[21:03] <Riddell> try and   apt -f install
[21:03] <Riddell> now we're talking
[21:03] <Riddell> this digikam thing is a beast
[21:03] <frecel> Do you always package on a vps or is this just for me?
[21:04] <frecel> Restarting services will probably disconnect us
[21:05] <Riddell> I said no
[21:05] <Riddell> frecel: depends, for something like calligra it's so big my laptop would take an age so I start an expensive cloud server
[21:06] <Riddell> frecel: but it's best to build in a clean environment so I have a local chroot that recreates a clean install 
[21:07] <Riddell> frecel: debuild -j2  and see what happens :)
[21:07] <Riddell> frecel: did you update debian/control for new myssql version?
[21:08] <frecel> no,
[21:08] <Riddell> frecel: it'll be up at the top
[21:09] <Riddell> somewhere under Build-Depends:
[21:09] <Riddell> I see it "mysql-server-core-5.5 | mysql-server-core"
[21:09] <Riddell> needs to be 5.6 now
[21:10] <Riddell> still needs an apt install
[21:12] <frecel> victory
[21:14] <Riddell> frecel: I looked at the build log to check the configure output, it seems all fine
[21:14] <Riddell> frecel: so aye, time for a cup of tea now
[21:14] <Riddell> frecel: once it's done we'll need to check if there's stuff not being build any more and new stuff being built and alter the .install files as needed
[21:14] <frecel> Riddell: do you have to use the version of ubuntu that you build a package for?
[21:15] <Riddell> frecel: no but it's obviously good if you can test the package yourself
[21:15] <Riddell> or ask someone else to test
[21:15] <Riddell> in this case we're building on an i386 so I can't install the .debs at the end anyway
[21:16] <Riddell> so we'll put it into a standing archive and get someone to test it them put it into backports (because we're frozen for the vivid release)
[21:17] <frecel> How are packages updated after the freeze? I've heard a lot of devs complain that it's hard to get their software uptated in the Ubuntu repos
[21:17] <Riddell> frecel: well they're not, that's what it means to freeze :)
[21:17] <frecel> Unless they can get it in debian and it happens to trickle down to Ubuntu just in time
[21:17] <Riddell> it won't trickle down while we're frozen
[21:18] <Riddell> but we can put it into backports
[21:18] <Riddell> which is another apt repository people can add
[21:18] <frecel> So the freeze lasts for the entire nine months?
[21:18] <Riddell> sure, once we release that's it
[21:19] <Riddell> which you can argue is a bit rubbish for developers and users
[21:19] <Riddell> but that's the way linux distros are set up
[21:19] <Riddell> canonical did have an extras repository for individual apps that want to be separate, dunno what happened to that
[21:20] <frecel> Riddell: I think there are plenty of applications that should be frozen, like everything that has anything to do with the display server for example
[21:20] <frecel> but I don't see why something like digikam shoudln't be updated if they have a new stable release in july
[21:21] <Riddell> other systems like android, windows, mac etc have a separation between operating system and apps but linux distros don't
[21:21] <Riddell> the trouble is if you update digikam what happens if digikam needs a new Qt version?
[21:21] <Riddell> then you have to update that too
[21:22] <Riddell> or you have to bundle it together and duplicate qt once for each application
[21:22] <frecel> fair enough
[21:22] <Riddell> linux has efficiency for not bundling the same library 100 times but it does mean apps can be older by default
[21:26] <soee> we should alway sprovide atest apps only for latest release
[21:27] <frecel> Riddell: so do you assign applications to packagers to take care of
[21:27] <frecel> ?
[21:27] <frecel> or do people just check versions and package what they feel like
[21:27] <Riddell> frecel: kde has three muckle releases, frameworks, plasma and applications
[21:28] <Riddell> and those get put into kubuntu ci for continuous builds
[21:28] <Riddell> and then someone takes on the tars and packages them
[21:28] <Riddell> as sgclark is doing now for frameworks
[21:28] <Riddell> we have scripts to do them because it's mostly repetative and there's lots of them
[21:28] <Riddell> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_5.9.0_vivid.html
[21:28] <Riddell> frecel: a lot of other stuff gets updated in debian and we just sync it
[21:28] <Riddell> otherwise stuff gets packaged as people feel the need
[21:29] <Riddell> we have watches on a lot of packages for new releases http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/buildstatus/kubuntu-buildstatus.html
[21:35] <frecel> Riddell: so the entire thing depends mostly on how much applications can we package before the freeze
[21:37] <Riddell> frecel: yep
[21:37] <Riddell> but that's true of any software development
[21:39] <frecel> Riddell: for me as a user PPAs solve the problem entirely
[21:40] <frecel> There are a few applicaitons that I need to be at the very latest version, the rest of it I don't really care about
[21:41] <ahoneybun> kubotu_: give beer to frecel
[21:42] <frecel> ahoneybun: do you look at the changes to DocCheck? I'm trying to add something to it every day now
[21:42] <ahoneybun> frecel: let me check sorry
[21:43] <frecel> ahoneybun: I improved the dictionary quite a bit so for a lot of files it only returns names and email adresses
[21:45] <ahoneybun> getting some invalid syntax
[21:46] <Riddell> frecel: it's done!
[21:46] <ahoneybun> line 32
[21:46] <Riddell> frecel: I'll need to leave soon to chat to my girlfriend, how are you doing for time?
[21:47] <frecel> I'm in UTC -7 timezone I got plenty of time
[21:47] <Riddell> frecel: so it's saying it can't install a file
[21:47] <Riddell> which means that file was in a previous release but now isn't
[21:48] <Riddell> dh_install: libkgeomap-data missing files (usr/share/locale/*/LC_MESSAGES/libkgeomap.mo), aborting
[21:48] <Riddell> frecel: so edit libkgeomap-data.install and remove the line that wants that file
[21:50] <Riddell> frecel: now run  dh_install --list-missing
[21:50] <Riddell> and it'll try to install the files again
[21:50] <Riddell> cd .. i guess
[21:51] <frecel> woah
[21:51] <Riddell> lovely, it no longer has files listed in .installs that don't exist
[21:51] <Riddell> frecel: not it has files that  make install  has installed (into debian/tmp) but are not put anywhere by the .install files
[21:52] <Riddell> frecel: there should be a debian/not-install file where we list the files we know don't want to be installed
[21:52] <Riddell> check that
[21:54] <Riddell> frecel: the only ones that need added are the appstream .xml files
[21:54] <Riddell> work out which .install file to put them in
[21:54]  * Riddell calls girlfriend
[21:58] <frecel> Riddell: what am I looking for?
[22:06] <frecel> ahoneybun: when you selected a folder did you end the path with / 
[22:06] <frecel> ahoneybun: I just realized that it needs it and the code doesn't check for wheather it's there
[22:12] <Riddell> frecel: those appdata .xml files
[22:17] <frecel> Riddell: wouldn't it just go into digikam.install?
[22:18]  * Riddell back
[22:18] <Riddell> frecel: the digikam one will yes
[22:18] <Riddell> the showfoto one will go in showfoto
[22:18] <Riddell> and the other ones, dunno we need to look and see what they go with
[22:18] <frecel> I think I need more coffee
[22:19]  * genii hand-grinds some good strong arabica coffee beans, fires up the french press, and gets to making a fresh mug for frecel
[22:21] <Riddell> frecel: looks like those plugins are part of the main digikam.install package
[22:21] <Riddell> frecel: so put all the appdata files into digikam.install except showfoto which goes in showfoto.install
[22:25] <frecel> Riddell: done
[22:28] <Riddell> frecel: run  debuild -nc  to rerun the build (with no clear so it won't have to compile it all again)
[22:31] <soee> frecel: hows the packaging going ? :)
[22:32] <Riddell> once him once lintian stops running :)
[22:32] <frecel> soee: There is more to it than I ininitally thought
[22:33] <soee> frecel: i know, thats why i hadn't time so far to start with it
[22:33] <Riddell> frecel: looking good
[22:33] <Riddell> frecel: you should have .debs in the directory above
[22:33] <soee> but some day i have to, maybe than you can help me a bit :) 
[22:34] <Riddell> frecel: install them with  dpkg --install *deb
[22:34] <soee> frecel: mówisz po polsku ? (do you speak pl) ?
[22:34] <frecel> soee: Tak
[22:34] <soee> frecel: cool :)
[22:35] <frecel> ja się wyprowadziłem z polski jak miałem 17 lat, osiem lat minęło ale jeszcze pamiętam język ojczysty
[22:35] <soee> frecel: cool, would be easier maybe to communicate someday, anyway here we speak enaglish :)
[22:37] <Riddell> frecel: so it installs
[22:38] <Riddell> frecel: let's upload it to a ppa to build there and get people to test
[22:38] <Riddell> frecel: inside the source directory run   debuild -S
[22:38] <Riddell> to make the source files
[22:40] <frecel> Riddell: it looks like it's missing your gpg keys
[22:42] <Riddell> frecel: change UNRELEASED to vivid and run debuild -S again
[22:43] <frecel> Riddell: whic file was it in again?
[22:43] <Riddell> frecel: debian/changelog
[22:46] <Riddell> frecel: I did a remote sign
[22:46] <Riddell> >debsign -r ubuntu@ec2-54-159-224-203.compute-1.amazonaws.com:mnt/digikam/digikam_4.9.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[22:46] <Riddell> frecel: you can now upload it to my ppa
[22:46] <Riddell> dput ppa:jr/ppa digikam_4.9.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[22:47] <Riddell> frecel: dput --unchecked  I guess
[22:50] <frecel> Riddell: how long do you think it will take to build on launchpad?
[22:52] <Riddell> frecel: building now https://launchpad.net/~jr/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/7321261
[22:52] <Riddell> so I guess it'll be done in 15 mins or so
[22:52] <Riddell> then you can fine someone using vivid to install and test
[22:52] <Riddell> then we can copy it over to kubuntu-ppa/backports
[22:52] <Riddell> and life will be good for digikam users
[22:53] <Riddell> frecel: any questions before I sleep?
[22:53] <Riddell> there's lots more to learn of course
[22:53] <Riddell> we keep the packaging in bzr and git for one thing
[22:53] <Riddell> and there's the fun of symbols files
[22:53] <frecel> Not really, I will try build one on my own now and probably spam you with questions tomorrow
[22:53] <Riddell> and the scripts for the big kde releases
[22:53] <Riddell> good idea
[22:54] <Riddell> do you want me to keep the ec2 up?
[22:54] <frecel> I have a vps that I have to reimage today I'll just do it there
[22:55] <Riddell> groovy
[22:55] <Riddell> shutting down
[22:55] <Riddell> frecel: oh your should join https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas-yellow-belts now :)
[22:56] <Riddell> added you :)
[22:56] <frecel> Thanks :D
[22:57] <frecel> as a side note is byobu just a reconfigured tmux?
[23:00] <Riddell> frecel: it's gnu screen
[23:00] <Riddell> with a nice profile
[23:03] <Riddell> sgclark: that should be frameworks all done up in the ppa now and plasma-nm
[23:04] <Riddell> the question now is what to do with it
[23:04] <Riddell> but I guess testing is welcomed
[23:04]  * Riddell sleeps
[23:10] <yofel> Riddell: it's not screen but tmux these days
[23:10] <yofel> frecel: pretty much
[23:10] <yofel> with a couple extensions
[23:11] <frecel> yofel: screen has always been enough for me anyway, I just thought that bar on the bottom looks cool
[23:36] <sgclark> Riddell: thanks!