[00:24] thanks valorie and mparillo [00:34] darn thumb will not update [00:39] fixed valorie [01:10] On the Facebook Graphic on http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/community/ most of that area does not go to https://www.facebook.com/kubuntu.org?ref=stream That is, it is more like a snapshot of a real facebook page, but I wonder if many people will zoom down and click in the area, rather than watching the target change as they mouse around. [01:11] Actually, it is kinda true for all the social media graphics, but for the rest, I think it is a little more obvious what is going on. [01:50] identi.ca, that's what I couldn't recall [01:50] thank you elky [01:51] ahoneybun: shouldn't that first link be ~/Documents/etc. [01:52] you have =Documents [06:35] valorie: I always use Documents as I'm in my home directory but I believe your right [06:36] but in dd your telling it where the iso is [06:37] night/morning [06:40] yes I understand, but the actual path is /home/username/Documents/etc. [06:41] or shortform: ~/Documents [06:43] Gooooood morning [06:44] and it's so good that I've improved the header title http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/contribute-to-kubuntu/ [06:44] it's prettyer now [06:44] that's beautiful! [06:47] I believe Community, Contribute and Donate shoul be on the same page [06:47] or a main page and subpages [06:47] their content are very closely related and they should be agregated [06:48] anyone else? [06:49] * ovidiu-florin is brainstorming while going through the feedback [06:50] yofel: ping [06:50] by icons you mean navigation icons? https://trello.com/c/fTDbCsr9/28-feature-tour [06:50] [Kubuntu Promotion :: Feedback :: Feature tour ++ ] [06:51] valorie: could you help me with something? [07:00] or anyone for that matter [07:00] kubotu_: give me a beer [07:00] kubotu_ hates me [07:01] I need to go through all the feedback and create trello cards for each suggestion [07:01] please help [07:11] kubotu_: give ovidiu-florin a beer [07:11] pfff [07:11] ovidiu-florin: "Community, Contribute and Donate shoul be on the same page" or subpages: yes [07:11] I agree [07:12] !beer | ovidiu-florin [07:12] Sorry, I don't know anything about beer [07:12] pfff [08:03] Riddell: [08:18] libkf5people-data try to install that [08:18] you will get an error [08:53] Good morning. [09:02] ovidiu-florin: yes [09:03] Peace-: known, he was looking at it [09:04] i got other errors btw [09:04] for exmaple [09:05] sudo apt-get install plasma-widget* does errors but i guess it's normal they are the old plasma wigets i guess [10:59] Howdy all [11:52] +-.- [11:52] qmlplugindump: could not exec '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qmlplugindump': No such file or directory [11:55] Peace-: you want qtdeclarative5-dev-tools [11:56] yofel: thank you [12:02] yofel: i can't get qtcreator working properly [12:02] i tried everything [12:02] file:///home/semvivid/wq/wq.qml:22 plugin cannot be loaded for module "org.kde.plasma.core" [12:03] i added this to wq.qmlproject [12:03] importPaths: [ "/usr/lib/kde4/imports" ] [12:04] kde4? [12:04] plasma 5 [12:04] ah [12:04] shit [12:05] mm but i have that folder [12:05] mmm [12:05] well, we do still have kde4 apps around [12:07] Peace-: you probably want /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/ ? [12:07] QML isn't my field of expertise I fear.. [12:08] ok let's try [12:11] mp [12:11] no [12:12] yofel: it seems it doesn't work no [12:12] ah shit [12:12] #kde-devel would probably be more helpful at this point [12:13] yofel: thank you [14:13] odd , suddenly the cursor turns in to an I on the Konversation tabs, like a it does in the textbox, and makes it difficult to see [14:36] ok , a reboot fixed the cursor problem [14:45] no more kmix in the sytem tray, there's no widget either [14:59] Would it be possible to add https on www.hellotux.com delivery info page? [15:13] ovidiu-florin: lots of good stuff here that could be one page for the new site https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Contribute [15:27] this is a great video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYrobaenFCc === kubuntu is now known as Guest72465 [15:48] tis I Sick_Rimmit [17:24] kubotu_: give me a beer [17:24] :) [17:27] kubotu_: beer for ovidiu-florin [17:27] * Riddell slides a sangria down the table to ovidiu-florin [17:28] thank you Riddell [17:28] kubotu_: doesn't seem to care about me [17:29] Riddell: this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sddm/+bug/1407152 [17:29] Launchpad bug 1407152 in sddm (Ubuntu) "Can't log out from Plasma session with SDDM" [Critical,Triaged] [17:29] i think it has been fixed somehow in todays update to kernel or systemd or something [17:29] regarding sddm..... [17:29] but we can logout now so this was related to sddm ? [17:30] when resuming from standby I can see my wondws and after a second ot 2 I'm presented with the login prompt [17:30] I can't report it since it doesn't always happen [17:30] 2 users also confirme dtaht logut works for them now / under this bug report [17:31] Riddell: do you know anything about aseigo? [17:31] where is he? [17:32] I've been trying to get in touch with him for a while [17:33] ovidiu-florin: i thnk T-Shorts can be removed from main nav as it is in footer and its not as much important as othes [17:33] *T-Shirts [17:33] so have you voted? [17:33] ovidiu-florin: my votes are there liek 3 days ? [17:34] so that will be taken into consideration [17:34] * ovidiu-florin is talking formally [17:34] :P [17:34] I'll fix the menus once I finish getting through all the feedback [17:34] and creating trello cards [17:35] this is what I asked the feedbakers to do..... [17:35] ovidiu-florin: nice change with the page title on subpages / without bckground [17:35] so I don't have to do it again [17:35] kubotu_: order beer for ovidiu-florin [17:35] * kubotu_ gives ovidiu-florin a nice frosty mug of beer. [17:35] though, why not using Oxygen font ? [17:35] fianlly [17:35] ;) [17:37] yofel: http://www.dragosasaftei.ro/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/fotografie-de-produs-cu-amintire-silva-dark-7.jpg [17:37] this is what I'm having :D [17:37] *drool* [17:37] romanian beer [17:38] thanks for making me envious ;P [17:38] yofel: come visit [17:38] you can have a dusin [17:38] ovidiu-florin: he'll be at the pim sprint this weekend in france [17:39] that's why he ignores his emails? [17:39] hardly the time for it, otherwise would love to [17:39] ovidiu-florin: I've no idea about that [17:39] Riddell: do you have Georg's email? [17:39] ovidiu-florin: I do not [17:39] awesome.... [17:39] ovidiu-florin: also try setting for the page title text shadow: 1px 1px 5px rgb(60, 60, 60); [17:40] soee: please make a trello card for that [17:40] put it in ToDo [17:40] i have no idea how to use this trello :D [17:40] ScottK: remember bug 1400730 if you're in a useful mood [17:40] bug 1400730 in libxext (Ubuntu Utopic) "libxext fills up .xsession-errors log files" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1400730 [17:40] kubotu_: !trello soee [17:41] yofel: how do I do this? ^ [17:41] do i have to somehow join teh group or something ? [17:41] pm me your email [17:41] ovidiu-florin: I'm clueless about the trello plugin I fear [17:41] ovidiu-florin: my email ? [17:42] in private please [17:42] soee: you're in [17:42] https://trello.com/b/3Fo1KXoN/kubuntu-promotion [17:44] soee: you can add the card details in the card description [17:44] just below the title [17:45] ovidiu-florin: like i did now is fine ? [17:45] it's ok [17:48] soee: can you split Bart's email into trello cards in the feedback list? === aaron is now known as Guest92550 [17:49] what email ? [17:50] http://pasteboard.co/2utSJCgj.png [17:50] soee: this one: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2015-April/009453.html [17:51] darthanubis: ? [17:51] I have installed the restricted and extra packages, and mscorefonts-installer is installed [17:52] but I don't think these packages have installed the normal files it usually have [17:52] I even installed the ubuntu-restricted and extras [17:52] It seems these packages are not ready? And was wondering if anyone else was experiencing this? [17:53] some user had also problems with ms fonts last days [17:53] darthanubis: try reinstalling this ms- package [17:54] so I get this noticfication in the taskbar ever restart as a result [17:54] of course I already tried reinstalling the package. Butit does not actually pull the archive unpack it and install, like every year hence before [17:57] frecel: I'm still happy to give you a packaging tutorial if you're interested === Guest92550 is now known as ahoneybun [18:05] ovidiu-florin: im not sure what exactly i shoudl put form that mail to dotos, its more like discussion atm [19:25] sgclark: hows the work on frameworks going ? [19:25] soee: oh [19:25] right [19:25] well [19:25] :) [19:25] done but the new frameowrk and a silly patch.. [19:26] but distracted by kde ci.. [19:26] sgclark: need me to help? [19:26] Riddell: sure :) add a new repo for modemmanager-qt [19:27] I can build it I think [19:27] but I do need this evening off.. [19:29] sgclark: hasn't sitter already packaged it as part of kubuntu ci? [19:29] hmm [19:29] sgclark: rest your weary fingertips :) [19:29] maybe [19:29] sgclark: what ppa are you using? [19:30] proably just need kubuntu_archive branch [19:30] umm [19:30] next staging [19:30] I think lol [19:30] oh [19:30] darn [19:30] forgot the status sheet.. one sec [19:35] why there are posts in some non-english language for example about KF 5.9 https://planetkde.org/ [19:35] and there is no in english ? :) [19:35] planekde doen't work with https://www.kde.org/announcements/kde-frameworks-5.9.0.php ? [19:35] those are personal blogs no? [19:35] oh i duuno [19:35] yeah [19:36] those are just links to personal blogs [19:36] well [19:36] for me planetkde is like nive place to get info about what is going on in kde world [19:36] dev blogs [19:36] yep [19:36] would be goot ot have there also announcelments for officil webs [19:36] but some are in languages I cannot read lol [19:36] sgclark: thats what i talking about :) ome starnge langs [19:36] well meybe not strange but i don not speakread them :) [19:37] it looks much nicer than before though.. planetkde that is [19:37] our site too :) [19:37] much nicer [19:37] just so busy I don't have time to read anymore :( [19:38] you shoud one eye and one hand work, and second read :D [19:38] :) [19:38] soee: the trouble is that https://dot.kde.org/ needs more editors, it didn't get a frameworks 5.9 story [19:39] volunteers welcome === sgclark changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - 10 years of friendlyness | KF5 5.9 Status: http://goo.gl/gI3xd0 | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Crash tracker : http://goo.gl/Cdynad | 20 bugs to fix http://goo.gl/Chh7uh [19:39] Riddell: status ^ [19:39] thanks sgclark [19:39] no no, thank you! [19:39] oh [19:40] Riddell: I always get Can't retry with that retry script. What am I doing wrong :( [19:40] I was up late.. hitting retry.. [19:41] it looks like it is trying.. lists them with the arch.. but error [19:49] Riddell: ill be more active and try to do more web related stuff after my personal projects are done [19:51] sgclark: are you using --force ? I don't know why but it seems to need it [19:51] i like to be informed and probably a lot of other users, thats why i often post some info on g+ liek now https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/Sjg6kySPCYo [19:51] :) [19:52] Riddell: I have a free afternoon now, we could go through the packaging process if you have some time [19:53] Riddell: ahh no, that probably it [19:54] frecel: make a launchpad account and add your ssh key and I'll set up a shared server [19:54] Already have one [19:54] frecel: url? [19:55] Oh I might have to do the ssh thing again, I reinstalled for 15.04 [19:58] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~frecel [20:00] frecel: ssh ubuntu@ec2-54-159-224-203.compute-1.amazonaws.com [20:01] type something when you get in [20:02] Riddell: give me a second, I have to mighrate my key from a different partition [20:06] Riddell: I had to change my key [20:07] frecel: do I have the right one? [20:07] no [20:08] frecel: have you updated launchpad? [20:08] Riddell: yes [20:09] frecel: ssh ubuntu@ec2-54-159-224-203.compute-1.amazonaws.com now [20:10] hmm I'm still gettin permission denied [20:11] frecel: try now, password foobar [20:13] Sorry about that, I don't use lp often. I'm in now [20:14] frecel: great [20:15] frecel: this is shared ec2 cloud server from amazon, we can both see and interact with the session [20:15] frecel: shall we package something? [20:15] Riddell: sounds good [20:15] frecel: I see a new version of digikam is out https://www.digikam.org/ [20:16] frecel: by checking on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/digikam you can see we are at 4.7.0 [20:16] frecel: first thing to check is do debian have a newer version [20:16] which is at https://packages.debian.org/src:digikam [20:16] frecel: do they? [20:17] Riddell: sid is at 4.4.4.0-1.1 [20:18] sounds old, guess we need to do it outselves [20:18] frecel: get the current package with apt-get source digikam [20:18] frecel: actually make a directory called current and do that [20:19] frecel: you've done this before so tell me if you know it all [20:19] frecel: that downloaded the upstream "orig" tar and the packaging debian.tar [20:20] and a .dsc with description metadata [20:20] it's been a while, so it's probably better if we cover it all [20:20] frecel: look in digikam-4.7.0/debian for the packaging [20:22] frecel: it's quite a complex app this so there's quite a lot [20:22] but the .install files have the file in each of the .deb packages that will get made [20:22] frecel: and the control file has the descriptions of the packages to make [20:23] and the rules file is the complex bit, it's a makefile to build install and make the .debs [20:23] looking at it there's some mess in there which is no longer needed, I think whoever packaged this last didn't tidy up [20:24] frecel: look at the files and see if you understand them [20:24] and ask me what you don't [20:26] most of the process is done by debhelper a set of perl scripts to do the configure/build/install/generate package etc that's the dh_foo scripts [20:26] and the makefile has those override_dh_foo lines to alter the defaults [20:27] I'm not an expert on make but most of this is fairly self explanatory [20:27] nobody is, mostly you copy and paste from another project :) [20:27] frecel: right let's do the new one [20:27] frecel: cd out of current and wget the new one from http://download.kde.org/stable/digikam/ [20:28] Riddell: 4.9? [20:29] yep [20:30] frecel: rename it to digikam_4.9.0.orig.tar.bz2 [20:30] and uncompress [20:31] frecel: tip: you can just use tar xf with tar it'll work out the compression these days [20:32] frecel: rename it to digikam_4.9.0.orig.tar.bz2 [20:32] Riddell: I've been uncompressing by right clicking on packages in dolphin for too long :D [20:33] packaging is mostly a command line task I'm afraid :) [20:34] frecel: digikam_4.9.0.orig.tar.bz2 note the underscre [20:34] underscore [20:34] deb packages are fussy about the source tar name [20:36] frecel: inside the uncompressed directory copy over the debian/ directory from the current package [20:38] frecel: cd into digikam-4.9.0/ [20:38] and add a new changelog entry with dch -i [20:39] frecel: this opens emacs as an editor, you know emacs right? [20:39] Riddell: I'm a vim guy [20:39] bah! :) [20:39] frecel: here you go [20:40] my pinky is untrained in pressing Ctrl all the time :D [20:40] frecel: add a 1 line changelog, fix up version number and name/email [20:42] what is the ubuntu1/ubuntu2 part of the version number? [20:43] 4:4.9.0-0ubuntu2 [20:43] 4: is the epoch, it resets the version number incase you want to go lower than the one before [20:43] 4.9.0 is upstream [20:43] -0 is debian (0 because this isn't in debian yet) [20:44] and ubuntu2 is the ubuntu version [20:44] frecel: so set it to ubuntu1 as this is the first ubuntu version of 4.9.0 [20:47] Riddell: I have no iea how to insert RFC822 date format into vim :D [20:48] frecel: well don't, the idea of dch is it gives you a template and does that for you [20:49] frecel: remove what you've done [20:49] frecel: the "digikam (4:4.7.0-0ubuntu2)" line is the start of a template for you to eidt [20:49] edit [20:52] frecel: lovely save it [20:52] and quit [20:53] frecel: let me tidy up some stuff [20:55] frecel: right I just removed some old files from packages that I should have removed last time I updated it [20:55] frecel: so let's see if it builds debuild -j2 will compile it [20:55] or rather will tell us what it needs before it can compile it [20:55] frecel: that's all the build-depends listed in debian/control [20:56] frecel: /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends [20:56] is the clumsy titled script to install them [20:57] Riddell: why did it abort? [20:57] frecel: did you abort? [20:57] bah [20:58] frecel: well best install them by hand! [20:58] sudo apt install .... [20:58] copy and paste job [20:59] can't select it [21:00] Riddell: oh, you are just doing it by hand like that [21:01] frecel: looks like mysql-server-core-5.5 is now mysql-server-core-5.6 [21:01] frecel: edit that in debian/control [21:01] and run the apt line again with it changed [21:03] frecel: oh I see pbuilder-satisfydepends has confused apt now [21:03] try and apt -f install [21:03] now we're talking [21:03] this digikam thing is a beast [21:03] Do you always package on a vps or is this just for me? [21:04] Restarting services will probably disconnect us [21:05] I said no [21:05] frecel: depends, for something like calligra it's so big my laptop would take an age so I start an expensive cloud server [21:06] frecel: but it's best to build in a clean environment so I have a local chroot that recreates a clean install [21:07] frecel: debuild -j2 and see what happens :) [21:07] frecel: did you update debian/control for new myssql version? [21:08] no, [21:08] frecel: it'll be up at the top [21:09] somewhere under Build-Depends: [21:09] I see it "mysql-server-core-5.5 | mysql-server-core" [21:09] needs to be 5.6 now [21:10] still needs an apt install [21:12] victory [21:14] frecel: I looked at the build log to check the configure output, it seems all fine [21:14] frecel: so aye, time for a cup of tea now [21:14] frecel: once it's done we'll need to check if there's stuff not being build any more and new stuff being built and alter the .install files as needed [21:14] Riddell: do you have to use the version of ubuntu that you build a package for? [21:15] frecel: no but it's obviously good if you can test the package yourself [21:15] or ask someone else to test [21:15] in this case we're building on an i386 so I can't install the .debs at the end anyway [21:16] so we'll put it into a standing archive and get someone to test it them put it into backports (because we're frozen for the vivid release) [21:17] How are packages updated after the freeze? I've heard a lot of devs complain that it's hard to get their software uptated in the Ubuntu repos [21:17] frecel: well they're not, that's what it means to freeze :) [21:17] Unless they can get it in debian and it happens to trickle down to Ubuntu just in time [21:17] it won't trickle down while we're frozen [21:18] but we can put it into backports [21:18] which is another apt repository people can add [21:18] So the freeze lasts for the entire nine months? [21:18] sure, once we release that's it [21:19] which you can argue is a bit rubbish for developers and users [21:19] but that's the way linux distros are set up [21:19] canonical did have an extras repository for individual apps that want to be separate, dunno what happened to that [21:20] Riddell: I think there are plenty of applications that should be frozen, like everything that has anything to do with the display server for example [21:20] but I don't see why something like digikam shoudln't be updated if they have a new stable release in july [21:21] other systems like android, windows, mac etc have a separation between operating system and apps but linux distros don't [21:21] the trouble is if you update digikam what happens if digikam needs a new Qt version? [21:21] then you have to update that too [21:22] or you have to bundle it together and duplicate qt once for each application [21:22] fair enough [21:22] linux has efficiency for not bundling the same library 100 times but it does mean apps can be older by default [21:26] we should alway sprovide atest apps only for latest release [21:27] Riddell: so do you assign applications to packagers to take care of [21:27] ? [21:27] or do people just check versions and package what they feel like [21:27] frecel: kde has three muckle releases, frameworks, plasma and applications [21:28] and those get put into kubuntu ci for continuous builds [21:28] and then someone takes on the tars and packages them [21:28] as sgclark is doing now for frameworks [21:28] we have scripts to do them because it's mostly repetative and there's lots of them [21:28] http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_5.9.0_vivid.html [21:28] frecel: a lot of other stuff gets updated in debian and we just sync it [21:28] otherwise stuff gets packaged as people feel the need [21:29] we have watches on a lot of packages for new releases http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/buildstatus/kubuntu-buildstatus.html [21:35] Riddell: so the entire thing depends mostly on how much applications can we package before the freeze [21:37] frecel: yep [21:37] but that's true of any software development [21:39] Riddell: for me as a user PPAs solve the problem entirely [21:40] There are a few applicaitons that I need to be at the very latest version, the rest of it I don't really care about [21:41] kubotu_: give beer to frecel [21:42] ahoneybun: do you look at the changes to DocCheck? I'm trying to add something to it every day now [21:42] frecel: let me check sorry [21:43] ahoneybun: I improved the dictionary quite a bit so for a lot of files it only returns names and email adresses [21:45] getting some invalid syntax [21:46] frecel: it's done! [21:46] line 32 [21:46] frecel: I'll need to leave soon to chat to my girlfriend, how are you doing for time? [21:47] I'm in UTC -7 timezone I got plenty of time [21:47] frecel: so it's saying it can't install a file [21:47] which means that file was in a previous release but now isn't [21:48] dh_install: libkgeomap-data missing files (usr/share/locale/*/LC_MESSAGES/libkgeomap.mo), aborting [21:48] frecel: so edit libkgeomap-data.install and remove the line that wants that file [21:50] frecel: now run dh_install --list-missing [21:50] and it'll try to install the files again [21:50] cd .. i guess [21:51] woah [21:51] lovely, it no longer has files listed in .installs that don't exist [21:51] frecel: not it has files that make install has installed (into debian/tmp) but are not put anywhere by the .install files [21:52]