=== chriadam|away is now known as chriadam === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [07:00] Anyone on vivid has this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/powerd/+bug/1443278 [07:00] Ubuntu bug 1443278 in powerd "powerd takes eternity to boot on pc" [Undecided,New] [07:02] question: if I'm on my phone how do I report a bug to launchpad... Is ubuntu-bug or similar available? [07:03] Morning by the way [07:11] Hi all! Anybody knows what's up wtith the OTA update? [07:42] robin-hero: I think there's no absolutely final date yet for the next OTA, but hopefully this week... [07:43] the last I know was that there's one more bug being investigated, but the fix could land today [07:46] Mirv: Thanks, I can't wait for the battery life improvments, It is very fustrating that I need to carry my charger everywhere I go :) [07:50] yeah, the battery life improvements coming look awesome :) [07:51] Battery life is already not that bad IMO [07:51] sturmflut-work: I need to charge my phone everyday. [07:52] robin-hero: That is absolutely normal compared to every Android phone I ever owned. [07:52] The last phone I owned that didn't have to be charged every day was a Siemens M35. [07:53] sturmflut-work: The battery decreases 3% for me every hour,even nights, when I don't do anything [07:54] I tried the -propsed channel, and my phone can operate for 2,5 days with the same usage (1 day for r20). [07:54] I think it is much better [07:54] robin-hero: check with e.g. top if there's some process constantly consuming CPU time [07:55] juzzlin_: It is normal with the r20 relase... this is why I'm looking forward to the OTA update :) [07:56] yeah, me too :) [07:59] Hello ？ I add a PushClient component in .qml file, and in .apparmor file add "push-notification-client" policy, the PushClient signal an error:qml : GOT ERROR bad auth [08:01] the above error disappear after I add "ubuntu-push-helper" template in .apparmor file,but my application will crash, at the same time report the following information:UbuntuClientIntegration: connection to Mir server failed. Check that a Mir server is running, and the correct socket is being used and is accessible. The shell may have rejected the incoming connection, so check its log file [08:01] sturmflut-work, well, the battery life doesnt even remotely reach the 8 days standby the OTA brings :) [08:01] which hero will hep me ? [08:02] Jame, wait for aquaruis, he might be able (but is usually rather around in european evenings) ... he wrote https://caxton.herokuapp.com/ and should know a bit about using the notification system [08:04] ogra_: do you have a screenshot of this super battery life? :) [08:05] robin-hero, only some on the way towards that ... the last one was http://i.imgur.com/xq472i3.png ... 43% after 5 days [08:06] what a pity :) [08:07] i sadly hit bug 1442166 which drained the weak battery before i could take a final screenshot [08:07] bug 1442166 in Canonical System Image "Calendar alarms rings forever if Low Battery dialog visible" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442166 [08:07] do you know any info about the OTA update? Will it release this week? [08:08] but if you dont touch the device at all 8-9 days should be easy [08:08] we hope so [08:08] there is one nasty bug that still is in verification currently [08:14] ogra_: so if this bug will be fix in time, bq should sign-off too, right? [08:15] right [08:15] so I think it is more likely end of the week === jamesh__ is now known as jamesh [08:20] thank ogra_. do you have example about the use of unity-notification? I want to send a notification. [08:21] https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/platform/guides/push-notifications-client-guide/ only this [08:21] i have never used it myself [08:22] Good morning all; happy Monday and happy Scrabble Day! :-D [08:22] Elleo, morning! I believed I found bug in osk, imaging the following scenarion. TextField with DoubleValidator (not setting the locale) and an input hint for real numbers. The osk in this cases shows the numberpad, which is correct BUT it does not use the input locale to decide which is the decimals separator [08:23] Elleo, at that point, the user can just use '.' to separate decimals, yet if his locale is french or some other that uses ',' the double validator wont allow him to write decimal numbers [08:24] Elleo, so, osk such check the input locale and change the decimal separator accordingly. I fixed this in my app by setting the double validator to always use "en" as the locale, but it should not be done like that.. [08:28] I found example in unity-notifications/examples/interactive-notification.py, and I push it to my device and run this python script, but report error:ImportError: No module named 'pynotify' [08:29] I need to install pynotify module but I do not know how to install [08:29] in my phone [08:29] abeato: morning :) how can I edit the apn file? trying to workaround https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1435776 [08:29] Ubuntu bug 1435776 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "NM does not activate a valid ofono context" [High,Confirmed] [08:29] I tried editing gprs file, but it gets reset when I disable/enable mobile data [08:30] faenil, you need to stop ofono first [08:31] and then it will keep the changes? [08:31] faenil, yes [08:31] I should have thought about that...great, thanks ;) [08:32] faenil, np, a fix for this should land soon, it was a problem with NM [08:39] mandel: yeah, that sounds like a bug, could you create a bug report? [08:39] Elleo, if you give me the project I will + add a small example code :) [08:41] abeato: ah ok :) maybe I should just wait for the fix so that I can test the upgrade path and see if it really fixes it [08:41] is there any eta about that? [08:41] is "soon" 1 day or 1 week? :D [08:42] mandel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard [08:42] faenil, not sure, but say 1 week... anyway I am thinking that what you need to do is add some random password to your APN, you can do that from the APN editor [08:43] no need to stop ofono/edit manually the gpra file [08:43] *gprs [08:43] I tried that but it didn't work? [08:44] faenil, why? it did not really change the password? [08:44] abeato: it's not possible to switch to the custom apn, the tick doesn't move [08:45] faenil, oh, some APN editor bug :-( [08:45] hehe ;) [08:45] ok, I guess you will have to edit manually the gprs file [08:45] sure, np [09:01] abeato: works \o/ [09:01] faenil, :) === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [09:16] YES! I got wifi working!!! [09:16] Congratulations man! [09:16] congrats :) [09:16] mariogrip: on wich device [09:16] Oneplus one [09:17] nice [09:19] I want to be in the utouch mailing list but membership for the ubuntu phone team is necessary. Is there any responsibility involved or can anyone join? [09:26] <_1_butt> wet [09:26] brunch875: anybody can join [09:27] neato, I'll join right away [09:27] <_1_butt> anybody? [09:27] <_1_butt> who speaks English? [09:27] <_1_butt> and is wet? [09:27] <_1_butt> nah? [09:28] _1_butt: this is not the channel for dating or whatsoever [09:28] considering human body is about 65% water and this is an english channel... [09:28] <_1_butt> then what is this channel for? [09:29] _1_butt: ubuntu touch talk [09:29] ubuntu is a gnu/linux operating system based on debian [09:29] touch is because the phone is tactile [09:29] <_1_butt> wtf [09:29] <_1_butt> where can I find pretty horny girls? [09:30] <_1_butt> suggest [09:30] try the internet/google [09:30] this is more about software development [09:30] popey: alive? [09:30] of course [09:30] <_1_butt> Oh I see [09:30] _1_butt: stop [09:30] <_1_butt> I heard this was for casual dating [09:30] you can leave now [09:30] <_1_butt> sorry nerds tc [09:32] ogra_: my 64GB microsd card arrived, it's pre-formatted exfat === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [09:44] popey, yeah, you need to reformat it as vfat [09:44] yeah, did that and discovered a (known) but that it doesn't remount until you remove the card and re-insert [09:44] i think mandel fixed that for the OTA [09:45] when is the OTA hitting us? [09:45] was it this week? [09:45] popey, should have been fixed, yes [09:45] I can't wait :) [09:46] mandel: its fixed in vivid, but is it fixed in rtm? [09:47] popey, it should, since ciborium is the same in both AFAIK [09:47] ok [09:47] thanks [09:57] popey, is there is any issue let me know, but the app should be a lot better now [09:57] I'll try it on my proposed phone [09:57] popey, I nearly re-wrote the entire thing.. and I should find time to make more changes... time.. I need more time :-/ [09:58] don't we all :) [10:03] mardy, hey, can you maybe point me as to where I should file a bug about the U1 SSO web login? when I mess up my password, after correcting it, the SSO process doesn't continue but I'm left in the U1 website [10:44] Turning on auto-expunge emails in Dekko? | http://askubuntu.com/q/608698 [10:48] hi guys ubuntu wubi still downlodable? [10:53] Se7: Linux User Group goes full circle. From LUG to Hackspace and now LUG in a Hackspace. http://mailman.lug.org.uk/pipermail/gllug/2015-April/081927.html [10:53] bah [10:53] Se7: http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.10/ [10:53] ogra, do you know if ubuntu-device-flash has an argument to pass the serial of the device to flash? similar to adb -s FOO [10:54] oh, not a single -s but --serial, ogra_ ignore me :) [10:54] tnx popey :) [11:07] popey: Se7: that version of wubi might not be what you expect. It might only be the one on the image which is the menu to trigger a reboot in windows [11:08] is that all it does now? [11:08] wow [11:09] popey: it give a bunch of info and stuff and allows you to reboot into the live cd session, there was no-one really supporting the wubi back end and it didn't work on uefi setups so was becoming more unstable as time went on [11:09] Se7: ^ [11:09] right [11:09] ^ [11:10] popey: was dropped as an installer pre 14.04 if I recall correctly [11:10] Saviq: I'm afraid I don't know. It 's probably one of these, but I don't know which: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntuone/+related-projects [11:10] Saviq: dobey will know [11:10] tnx for the answer [11:10] mardy, thanks :) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:28] is there any way of setting 24hours time format? [11:28] it is pulled from your locale settings automatically [11:29] set a proper locale and you get the proper time format [11:32] i set it to English (UK), but so there isn't any way of having it changing that without changing language? [11:32] it worked btw [11:33] not currently, no [11:34] you would have to hack LC_TIME to point to a locale that has the format you want === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:22] is there a backup tool for the phone? [12:25] there's rsync ㋛ [12:28] that's just too high level [12:29] would be nice to have ubuntu-device-backup and ubuntu-device-restore :) [12:29] yes [12:33] some bq costumers have asked me for backup tool [12:33] victor_bq: to backup their data? [12:34] yes [12:34] due to some bugs/behaviours that requiere wipe [12:34] I can think of two ways to do this. Either as an app on the device (harder) or a desktop app (easier) [12:35] I backup my phone every 6 hours with rsnapshot. But yes, a simpler tool would be ideal. [12:43] jgdx: I have steps that you could turn into something that could be command run https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LandingTeam/SiloTestingGuidelines bottom of the page [12:43] davmor2, cool, looking [12:44] jgdx: only issue is you need adb in recovery for that to work so not ideal === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [12:49] nik90: Hi! I saw there is a "reboot" branch for the weather app in launchpad. Could you tell me (or link me) some informations when it will be change the default weather app? [12:50] davmor2, ideal for customers you mean? [12:54] jgdx: as a solution not ideal but I assume there is probably a way around it [13:02] Saviq: a problem with login.u.c, or with the u1 account plug-in in system settings? === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:06] hi [13:07] hello [13:09] ok, i figured out how to build cifs nfs and nfsd modules for the bq e4.5, but i have to re-flash ubuntu on it to test it [13:09] :) [13:10] studio_, there is a readme file in the tree btw ... did you find it, i think the build instructions have been tested [13:14] ogra_, I checked my phone booted after following them :-) [13:17] “You have an approximate of 13 additional unread messages” ಠ_ಠ [13:17] + or - 0 === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:19] dobey, login.u.c [13:22] Saviq: canonical-identity-provider i think is the project you want to file a bug against then [13:22] dobey, thanks! [13:23] ah, bug there already [13:23] bug #1257303 [13:23] bug 1257303 in Canonical SSO provider "After signing in incorrectly, signing in correctly goes to the wrong place" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1257303 [13:36] robin-hero: Hey, the weather-reboot will replace the default weather app when it is ready. We are following the blueprint at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-weather-app/+spec/weather-reboot [13:38] I've registered to my very first mailing list, which honorably is ubuntu phone! Wooo! [13:38] Now the big question is whether to hit reply-list or reply-all when replying [13:38] looks like there are tons of discrepancies over the internet [13:40] mpt, hi, how are you? [13:41] busy === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [13:44] hi! is it normal that the camera stops recording videos when the screen goes blank? === psivaa-afk is now known as psivaa [13:49] brunch875: reply all is almost always what you should always use, for any e-mail, regardless of whether it's on a list or not :) [13:49] thanks man, that snapped me out of confusion [13:49] dobey, uh [13:50] if its a list, use reply-to list :) [13:50] * brunch875 hurt himself in confusion [13:50] ogra_: that doesn't work if the person you're replying to isn't subscribed, and their mail was moderated through :) [13:51] dadexix86, have you looked at https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app [13:51] ogra_: reply all is always the safest bet. [13:51] hi [13:51] dobey, if i recieve a mail from a list i expect the people participating in the discussion to be on the list [13:51] anyone experience problems with imap? [13:52] imap? [13:52] reply a-.- totally messes up the ML headers (and many peoples filters) [13:52] ogra_: i have learned to have no expectations about anything any more :) [13:52] *reply-all [13:52] dadexix86, maybe file a bug if you can't find anything and a developer will look at it. [13:52] jgdx, yes and there is nothing about it, so I wanted to know if this would be considered a bug or a feature :) [13:52] mpnegro: do you have trouble with your emails? [13:52] with the mail client of ubuntu phone [13:53] yes [13:53] dekko? [13:53] mpnegro: #dekko might be a better channel to ask about dekko, really :) [13:53] oh, it has its own channel now ? [13:53] nice [13:53] i think so, yes [13:54] I'm using dekko with imap, no issues [13:54] i recall popey or someone mentioning it before anyway [13:54] ya [13:56] rvr ping [13:56] davmor3: pong === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [13:57] rvr thanks 3g seems to be working then [13:58] Ubuntu Phone : Change device name | http://askubuntu.com/q/608754 [13:58] davmor3: You're welcome === bfiller is now known as bfiller_meeting [14:21] jgdx, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/lp1438633/view/head:/plugins/about/PageComponent.qml [14:22] jgdx, can you grab that file and test it on your device? [14:22] i tried to just get more debugging output for the blank updates page, but now i can't reproduce it [14:24] Ubuntu Phone--is there one that works in the Americas? | http://askubuntu.com/q/608759 [14:24] renatu: hey! what about testing the silo 004? there's only 2 days left before vivid final freeze [14:25] after that it'd be vivid+1 plus backport to vivid-rtm if wanted [14:25] Mirv, I tested and is working nice [14:26] kenvandine, sher. That's vivid, right? [14:26] yeah [14:26] renatu: oh, ok. so which device and image? so that I can mark the silo as tested. [14:26] maybe not getting the pageComponent inline fixed it... not sure why [14:27] i assigned the pageComponent to load to a variable [14:27] jgdx, tested your steps several times... worked [14:27] weird [14:30] Mirv, Ubuntu 15.04(r178) krillin [14:31] renatu: thanks! I'll gather my AP results still and then I'll publish the silo. [14:31] Mirv, thanks [14:34] anyone wo knows how tom importiert contacts from my old Androide phone tom my ubuntu phone without using google account? [14:38] What's my current best purchase option for a new Ubuntu Touch install - Nexus 10 or 7? | http://askubuntu.com/q/608763 [14:38] Frethere is a way to import vcf files via commandline if you can make it export your contacts to vcf === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [14:46] kenvandine, silo 6 introduces new strings. What are the consequences of that now? [14:46] can it land at all? [14:47] oh right... is that from the cellular design updates? [14:47] kenvandine, yeah [14:49] seb128, ^^ [14:49] seb128, you're the most likely candidate to yell at us :) [14:50] kenvandine, jgdx, grrrr [14:50] :-) [14:50] * kenvandine hugs seb128 [14:50] but fine with me, we are just not going to get translations in vivid [14:50] but I guess we need to branch vivid to some 15.04-rtm and roll there? [14:50] dunno if we're ready for that [14:52] kenvandine, are we fine freezing things with ui changes and no translations in vivid? [14:53] it means that if we roll rtm to vivid it's going to be uncorrectly translated [14:53] i really don't know [14:53] pmcgowan, ^ [14:53] pmcgowan, this change is bringing the cellular panel closer to the design [14:54] seb128, seems we will need W to open up so new translations happen? [14:55] or can we do them directly on rtm [14:55] i guess we could branch for 15.04-rtm and translate there [14:56] pmcgowan, I guess we can have updates through SRUs [14:56] we have to do it at some point [14:56] we hope to rebase rtm this week [14:56] yeah [14:56] so if we land this, we could get it translated in rtm [14:57] maybe wait to land it after we rebase [14:57] yeah [14:57] safest [14:57] until W opens [14:59] jgdx, ^^ so i guess drop it from the silo [15:00] kenvandine, imma ok with it [15:06] zyga, ping about ucs === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [15:11] aquarius: hey [15:11] aquarius: :) [15:11] aquarius: I didn't recognize your nic [15:11] aquarius: so about ucs [15:11] aquarius: 1) let's get it to work 2) let's get it right 3) let's get it public [15:12] aquarius: the goal for me is to be able to let everyone use ucs to just put a python component inside their app [15:13] aquarius: as stated on G+, the trick is to extract .so file from the pyotherside deb from the archive [15:13] aquarius: (you can to this for each architecture to get fat packages later) [15:13] aquarius: and .qmldir or whatever that file is calle [15:13] aquarius: and that gives you all of pyotherside [15:14] aquarius: pyotherside links to qt5 and to libpython so you also need libpython3.4 .so from the second deb [15:14] aquarius: a typical click package with main.qml, lib/$arch/*.so works okay on all three platforms (x86 emulator, amd64 and real arm phones) [15:15] aquarius: the new debs I made are even better as they remove the requirement to use stdlib from the phone, it's now shipped inside pyotherside [15:15] aquarius: the actual component needs to be refreshed each time python has a security fix [15:15] aquarius: or each time pyotherside has a fix/release (so far that's not that frequent) [15:15] aquarius: the way ucs gets this is one topic [15:16] aquarius: but the way developers get it via ucs should be totally standard [15:16] aquarius: so that they can just use the common workflow [15:16] aquarius: for ucs I think I can upload a new version each time there is a release of either of the two dependencies (at first) [15:16] aquarius: and we can automate the process later if it's needed [15:16] aquarius: for now I'd like to get to a point that it can be used in basic way [15:17] aquarius: will ucs somehow merge with the SDK? [15:18] zyga, sorry, otp, with you shortly [15:19] zyga, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usensord/+bug/1442166 probably something you want to subscribe to (the title is slightly worng) [15:19] Ubuntu bug 1442166 in Canonical System Image "Calendar alarms rings forever if Low Battery dialog visible" [High,Confirmed] [15:22] ogra_: thanks, I guess that affects all the apps using vibration [15:23] zyga, yeap [15:23] i'm hitting it all the time recently ... the fix should be easy [15:24] ogra_: what is the cause? do you know? [15:25] zyga, the vibrator doesnt use a wakelock ... so the phone goes back to sleep after triggering the event [15:25] which means it never knows about the end of the event because it is already asleep [15:25] :D [15:26] cool bug [15:26] interesting impact of suspend on programs [15:27] well, i learned that it doesnt save you from draining your battery :) [15:33] zyga, what you're describing is exactly how ucs (well, my proposed version of ucs, with the community components included) is supposed to work. It *should* work like that already. You'll see from the docs (specifically http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sil/component-store/community-components/view/head:/docs/contribute-community.rst) that what you do is assemble a Launchpad branch with the binary .so files and a metad [15:33] ata file in, and then use "ucs submit" to tell the server about that component [15:33] awe_, abeato, is lte apns ready to be implemented in uss? [15:33] jgdx, it has not landed yet, waiting for QA sign-pff [15:33] zyga, but this stuff hasn't been *used* much yet, so there may be flaws in how it works [15:33] *sign-off [15:34] abeato, ah, so waiting for landing [15:34] aquarius: when I created a branch of c-s that had pyotherside it didn't seem to work, I tried bin/ lib/ etc [15:34] jgdx, yes [15:34] aquarius: I think the missing part is the thing done on the device, which adds lib/$arch to search path [15:34] abeato, jgdx, hoping it'll get approved today... [15:35] aquarius: I'm busy on plainbox code now but I can look at that later [15:35] aquarius: a trivial example with a hello world QML plugin is much appreciated :) [15:35] (binary plugin) [15:35] awe_, abeato, thanks you. I'm crossing fingers [15:35] thanks you haha [15:35] :D [15:36] * ferridom is looking around.. (", ) ( ,") ('_') === charles_ is now known as charles [15:38] aquarius: one more thing I don't understand is frameworks, should the binary bits be provided for each framework separately (it seems so) [15:38] zyga, if you get my branch, and do "./script/ucs search", you'll see that there is a "sil/CommandExec" community component. That comphttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sil/+junk/CommandExec/filesonent exists in launchpad as [15:38] aquarius: this might be a hole in current ucs design [15:38] zyga, if you get my branch, and do "./script/ucs search", you'll see that there is a "sil/CommandExec" community component. That component exists in launchpad as http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sil/+junk/CommandExec/files [15:38] (sorry, cut and paste error :)) [15:39] that branch contains all the build files and source etc, but it doesn't have to -- the only bits ucs cares about are /qmllib and /ubuntu_component_store.json [15:39] that's an example of a (trivial) binary component [15:39] aquarius: ah, qmllib, I couldn't find that in any documentation I read (I followed the guide on readthedocs) [15:39] zyga, I'm not sure what to do about frameworks. [15:40] aquarius: I'll check it out and try to submit pyotherside [15:40] aquarius: I'll ping you with a branch for instructions [15:40] zyga, ah. The readthedocs stuff is for current trunk. My stuff, which has all the community component work in it, isn't in trunk. You want http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sil/component-store/community-components and specifically http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sil/component-store/community-components/view/head:/docs/contribute-community.rst for documentation on how to add compiled community components. === jibel_ is now known as jibel [15:41] aquarius: thanks, I'll follow that then [15:41] The existing ucs does not do binary components at all, and I don't think nik90 plans for it to do so -- existing ucs is about well-tested well-documented QML-only components which are owned by the UCS team. [15:41] aquarius: will your stuff merge with trunk anytime soon? [15:41] My community store is much more like, say, pypi or npm; anyone can submit anything, and whether it's well-tested and good enough is up to the developer who's using it to assess for themselves. [15:42] I see [15:42] will there be one ucs? [15:42] one tool? [15:42] I want there to be, certainly! [15:42] or two? [15:42] aquarius, zyga: I am fine with ucs supporting binary components. Which is also why I am totally with aquarius's proposal of core, community components..I am sorry, I just haven't had the time to merge it to trunk [15:42] any idea on timelines for that? I can dogfood pyotherside for checkbox-touch [15:43] nik90: hey! :) [15:43] zyga: hi :) [15:43] that sounds great [15:43] (do think about frameworks though) [15:43] aquarius, zyga: The MP requires debian packaging to be done and tested as well since otherwise it would break the existing developer's workflow [15:43] it seems like a big hole waiting to bite us [15:43] this community stuff is a really big change to how ucs works (there are other docs in my branch which explain all that), and it really needs someone who understands all this compilation stuff to work with it and find all the problems in it, so I can see why nik90's been reluctant :) [15:43] nik90: debian packaging for what? [15:43] nik90: for each component? [15:44] nik90: or for the new ucs workflow with community bits [15:44] zyga: I created a ucs package which developers can install it on their system and install components by "ucs install component-name" [15:44] zyga: so that has been rewritten in python by aquarius [15:44] nik90: yeah, I got the ppa installed [15:44] (I'm not sure which one I got though) [15:44] nik90: what is install expected to do though? get the branch from launchpad or something more? [15:45] zyga: well the current binary just gets the component code from launchpad and installs it in the developer's project directory [15:45] * aquarius nods. The existing trunk ucs (which is what is packaged by nik90) has a "ucs" command line tool which is a shell script. I rewrote the ucs utility in Python because it's quite a lot more complicated now -- curated components (those that are in current ucs trunk) are checked out of launchpad directly; community components has the ucs util talk to the server and the server says "the stuff you want is in this [15:46] all the rst files in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sil/component-store/community-components/files/63/docs help to explain this stuff [15:46] zyga: the one proposed by aquarius is more feature filled as in it supports a curated and community store which is awesome [15:46] ah, ok [15:46] so [15:46] for me, I need to update the layout of my component [15:46] Sorry, I know this is confusing :) [15:46] qmldir vs bin/lib [15:47] and update the script that builds it so that it's easier each time [15:47] zyga: the benefit of a community store is that you can host your component in your own server (github) etc and then just provide the link to ucs. so no more reviews needed to get it into the store :) [15:47] and push that somewhere [15:47] and poke you guys for review :) [15:47] (review as to what I did wrong) [15:47] the bits are straight from Debian [15:47] zyga, well, sort of. As it happens you have to host community components on launchpad, but yeah, what nik90 is saying is right :) [15:47] I'm fine with launchpad (git support, whee) [15:48] aquarius: Frankly if you think your branch is ready and you are confident with it, let's go ahead and merge it. I think this would take ucs to the next level. [15:48] though it's really irrelevant for this component [15:48] \o/ [15:48] do it, I'll dog-food this in the evening [15:48] nik90: just rebuild the ppa package once it lands [15:48] zyga: yes [15:48] zyga, yeah -- you'll just have a script which downloads the deb files, unpacks things from them into a folder, and then bzr commits the folder to launchpad and then ucs submits the launchpad branch [15:49] aquarius: Do you want to go through your branch one last time before I merge it to trunk? [15:49] nik90, I am unsure about two things with my branch -- does it break any of your existing uses? And is the download-a-binary-and-put-it-on-the-path ucs install stuff actually doing the right thing? [15:49] nik90, the first one I don't know about because I haven't used the curated store enough to know if I've broken it [15:50] aquarius: that's exactly what I have, just using wrong paths now :) [15:50] nik90, and the second one I don't know about because I don't know enough about all the compilation stuff, which is why I'm really glad that zyga wants to use it because he *does* know and can help us fix it if it's broken :) [15:50] aquarius: I am pretty sure it doesn't support binaries components since they require differnent paths [15:51] zyga: so the binary component that you are providing, will it be precompiled for the different platforms like armhf, i386 etc? or is it the raw code that needs to be compiled on developer's machines? [15:51] nik90, mine supports binary components, certainly, and yours doesn't, so that's fine -- I'm not breaking anything with the community component stuff [15:51] aquarius: oh ok, that's awesome [15:51] nik90: precompiled, I get the debs from the archive [15:51] nik90, but does my ucs script correctly install your existing components? [15:51] nik90: for each architecture [15:51] nik90, I think it does, but I don't know enough to be sure [15:51] nik90: using apt to know the latest versions each time (it's pretty shmick :) [15:52] aquarius: When I tested your branch, the curated components did work as expected [15:52] that I am sure of [15:52] nik90, cool. I'd suggest waiting for now until zyga tries using ucs for a binary component, because the likeliness that I've done something stupid somewhere is quite high :) [15:53] nik90, but if it works for pyotherside (or it doesn't and we can fix the bits that don't work) then I'd certainly like to see it merged to trunk and then installable from the ppa! [15:53] aquarius: if it does break after all this revamp, we can work on it slowly to fix it. Until then developers can grab the components directly from launchpad [15:53] ack. [15:53] ok [15:53] pyotherside has gotten some fantastic features lately [15:53] opengl [15:54] ya. I would really like to use pyotherside [15:54] I just don't want to have to have a qmake or cmake project in order to do it [15:54] zyga: curious, but how big are the apps created with pyotherside since the app needs to ship the binaries and python libraries with it? [15:54] having a pure QML project in which I can do "ucs install pyotherside" and then use python stuff is totally excellent when possible; this is precisely absolutely why I designed the ucs in the first place :) [15:56] nik90: pyotherside with stdlib is ... 3M on amd64 [15:56] aquarius: the problem is that qmlproject thinks it is platform independent when in reality the binary plugin you shipped is not..that's why cmake and qmake are preferred to build the binaries for respective platform while installing it. [15:56]