[17:55] <Unit193> We, again, don't care about UOS right?
[17:56] <knome> Unit193, and because we don't care, we have an agenda item for it?
[17:56] <Unit193> knome: Shush, you. ;P
[17:57] <Unit193> knome: And, nah, wasn't aware of that yet.
[17:57] <knome> i can ping balloons if you want to volunteer running a session
[17:57] <knome> oops, i already did
[17:57] <knome> hai balloons!
[17:57] <Unit193> Just happend to see a message about it.
[17:58] <knome> balloons can tell you more about running a session
[17:58] <Unit193> That's fine, though I won't personally be running one.
[17:58] <knome> sure?
[17:59] <Unit193> Very.
[17:59] <knome> even if you get a cookie?
[17:59] <knome> (from microsoft's website)
[18:04] <balloons> <3
[18:04] <balloons> I'm happy to inform, never coerce or force :-)
[18:04] <Unit193> Howdy.
[18:05] <knome> luckily, i'm not you ;)=
[18:06] <elfy> lol
[18:06] <elfy> so balloons comes by to hang with the really cool kids
[18:06] <Unit193> Oooh, elfy is going to do one?
[18:07] <elfy> behind the bikesheds ... I note that mhall119 sneaks about in here too and even reconnects :p
[18:07] <Unit193> Several oddities are.
[18:07] <elfy> <-
[18:08]  * balloons briefly considers idling longer
[18:08] <elfy> :)
[18:08] <elfy> at least 48 hours
[18:08] <elfy> my timing is bad 
[18:08] <Unit193> I tried idleing in a new channel recently, kept getting pings...
[18:09] <ochosi> poor Unit193 ;)
[18:09] <ochosi> that must've been a nightmare!
[18:09] <elfy> you can just imagine 
[18:09] <Unit193> "Why must you be doing the pinging?"
[18:18] <mhall119> elfy: I've been idling in here for years
[18:18] <elfy> mhall119: I know :)
[18:25] <Unit193> So, we should ping mhall119 for no reason whatsoever?
[18:25] <Unit193> We've also got a cypher mox in here, which I need to bribe for my packageset application.
[18:27] <knome> Unit193, mhall119 that is?
[18:27] <Unit193> Yep, that's the one.
[18:27] <knome> there can be only one mhall119
[18:27] <Unit193> ochosi: So when you get back, what exactly is https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkSettings.html#GtkSettings--gtk-enable-animations for that matter?  I know it does smooth scrolling, but any idea what else?
[18:27] <mhall119> yup, if there was another, he's be mhall120
[18:27] <Unit193> It doesn't say much.
[18:28] <Unit193> mhall119: Or, mhall118?  Did you kill the 18?!
[18:28] <mhall119> we don't talk about mhall118
[18:29] <knome> mhall119, is that the royal we?
[18:29] <Unit193> cyphermox: Speaking of you and plymouth, have you tried building with --list-missing or --fail-missing?  Or gotten anywhere with LP 1386005?
[18:33] <cyphermox> Unit193: haven't looked carefully
[18:33] <cyphermox> I'm still mostly reacting to bugs right now, and higher priorities often pop up
[18:34] <Unit193> cyphermox: OK, think that bug might be a bit important, but I'll bug you about the other stuff for wombat of course. :)
[18:34] <cyphermox> that bug looks like it's somewhere between plymouth and the kernel screwing things up, IIRC if I use 3.19 mainline things would work, but I haven't checked again in a little while
[18:34] <Unit193> Removing 'splash' from the boot options is a workaround, but maybe not a well known one.  Anywho, figured I'd poke.
[18:35] <cyphermox> it was a good idea to
[18:35] <cyphermox> thanks for reminding me of it, unfortunately I certainly won't be able to retest this until next week
[18:48] <davmor2> knome: same with davmor1 and davmor3 is just evil :D
[18:48] <knome> :)
[18:51] <Unit193> cyphermox: I have a VM handy, I'll test a couple different kernels.
[18:53] <cyphermox> Unit193: did you see this in VMs?
[18:53] <Unit193> cyphermox: Yep.
[18:53] <cyphermox> ok... in my experience it was especially a problem on nouveau/radeon, not necessarily on qxl and whatnot
[18:53] <cyphermox> ... though I haven't tried so much in VMs.
[18:59] <Unit193> cyphermox: I sware I'm just commenting, found it odd that Plymouth wouldn't display, and in fact somewhat recently would put the monitor to sleep during boot rather than showing, used a non-Ubuntu kernel and now plymouth even shows up right now.
[19:01] <cyphermox> ah what?
[19:55] <Unit193> Can't get plymouth to show the 'logo' theme anymore in vbox, thus can't test. >_>
[20:03] <elfy> who care's, lets get an image that allows you to reboot and I'll be happy
[20:07] <ochosi> Unit193: it disables all animations toolkit-wide. that includes certain widgets that sport animations (e.g. GtkRevealer, which is used for Parole's playback-control bar, or GtkStack, which is a replacement for GtkNotebook)
[20:07] <ochosi> so yeah, i still think it'd be a worthwhile setting to have in the UI somewhere
[20:10] <Unit193> elfy: Eh, being seemingly unable to unlock an encrypted install doesn't seem good either though.
[20:10] <Unit193> ochosi: Dang..
[20:11] <ochosi> Unit193: "dang" good or "dang" bad?
[20:11] <Unit193> ochosi: Well, Parole uses it, so likely not going to disable by default...
[20:11] <ochosi> depends
[20:12] <ochosi> who knows, if animations cause issues
[20:13] <Unit193> That, and the new Xfwm highlights I want gone.
[20:13] <ochosi> seems to me you dont like all the new things
[20:14] <Unit193> Could well be, sure.  Just don't like when the whole screen goes a shade of green. :D
[20:14] <Unit193> I'm guessing that's a 'no' to both.  OK.
[20:15] <ochosi> it's not
[20:16] <Unit193> ochosi: FWIW, that's also a compliment!  It means that Xubuntu is quite good how it is. :D
[20:16] <ochosi> heh
[20:17] <ochosi> well it mostly means that either Gtk+, X11, graphic card drivers or the hardware sucks
[20:18] <Unit193> While it isn't great, I don't like smooth scrolling, always feels laggy even on good systems.  It's just a preference, and if you could only disable smooth scrolling it'd be great but the fact it hits parole is bad, IMO.
[20:19] <Unit193> Anywho, put it on my tracker for Wombat, thanks for the additional information.
[20:21] <elfy> Unit193: ofc, but being that we don't test that - is it something we should get noisy about 
[20:21] <elfy> more than just referring to it 
[20:21] <Unit193> elfy: Ah, well this is my personal noise, not Xubuntu team.
[20:22] <elfy> but does impact on comments made in here
[20:22] <elfy> by me - should we test this stuff now
[20:22] <Unit193> elfy: Ah, well FWIW it's not an Xubuntu issue, soo.
[20:22] <elfy> yes
[20:22] <elfy> I know :)
[20:23] <Unit193> Great!  So no more work for you. :D
[20:23] <elfy> but if we were testing then it would not be just 1/5th or 2/5ths
[20:25] <elfy> the issue is - that if it is not seen in Ubuntu, they only care if it's a nightmare
[20:25] <elfy> and as Ubuntu now only bother right at the end - nightmares for everyone else don't figure much
[20:25] <elfy> the trouble is everyone - us include - release with fails 
[20:25] <elfy> perhaps we shouldn't 
[20:26] <Unit193> Indeed, but in this case it's either an older bug or a recurring one.  And, as Kubuntu is aware of it, they tend to make noise and have more weight to throw around than we do.
[20:26] <elfy> if blog xyz all said - wow no ubuntu flavours released beta 1 because of this - they would notice 
[20:27] <Unit193> (And of course I'd hate to push more testing load on you.)  Encryption works, and logging in works if you use the plymouth-text theme.
[20:28] <elfy> yea and it's fail if Xubuntu releases because one person tested and reported 
[20:39] <Unit193> ochosi: Oh, that soundmenu/pulseaudio merger still on your agenda for $LONGTERM?
[20:41] <ochosi> Unit193: well what did you think i was going to ask about..? :)
[20:42] <Unit193> Niiice.
[20:42]  * Unit193 stops bugging.
[20:55] <ochosi> Unit193: ooook, so i just got another heads up about the animation settings, it even stops the spinner...
[20:55] <ochosi> so humm, that's a pass on switching that off by default in xubuntu
[20:56] <ochosi> otherwise we would prolly have to be consistent and switch off the compositor by default again too
[20:56] <Unit193> Spinner?
[20:56] <ochosi> yeah, you know, that progress indicator apps have..?
[20:56] <Unit193> And yeah, understandably.  I think the smooth scrolling annoys me enough to leave it off for myself.  Aha, that.
[20:57] <Unit193> Stupid GTK...
[20:58] <Unit193> ochosi: Well hey, thanks for lookin'
[21:01] <ochosi> sure, np
[21:01] <ochosi> i wanted to know too
[21:01] <Unit193> (Took it off my tracker, of course.)
[21:02] <cyphermox> Unit193: ochosi: elfy: just checking, are we good with the rebooting after install on your side?
[21:02] <cyphermox> in case anything is still exploding :)
[21:02] <cyphermox> very lastest image 20150414 should work, AFAICT
[21:09] <ochosi> cyphermox: sorry, was out for a day or two, i'm not really up to speed
[21:09] <cyphermox> just askin', don't worry about it :)
[21:10]  * ochosi stops worrying and loves the bomb
[22:24] <bluesabre0> hey everyone. just a heads up that my internet is out through at least Thursday
[22:25] <Unit193> bluesabre0: Hello mein freund!
[22:25] <knome> huhu
[22:25] <bluesabre0> :)
[22:25] <knome> bluesabre0, why did you break it?
[22:26] <bluesabre0> I did nothing... I'd prefer to have something functional :D
[22:26] <bluesabre0> been playing lots of offline games though as a result
[22:26] <knome> bluesabre0, openttd?
[22:26] <knome> that's such an awesome offline time waster
[22:27] <Unit193> bluesabre0: Oooh, which ones?
[22:27] <bluesabre0> Mario, Sonic, other Wii games... might play some final fantasy later 
[22:28] <knome> hah
[22:28] <Unit193> Wife happy?  Wife the one that do it? :P
[22:28] <knome> i'm sure she's happy for sean spending less time in front of the computer
[22:28] <bluesabre0> She's less happy than I am, needs to get photos to client
[22:28] <knome> bluesabre0, snailmaiillll ;)
[22:29] <knome> or telnet them
[22:29] <bluesabre0> ewwww
[22:29] <knome> well in fact, i should snailmail my client some photos
[22:29] <Unit193> Library.
[22:29] <knome> mobile web.
[22:30] <bluesabre0> Yeah, she's probably going to upload from somewhere else tomorrow
[22:31] <bluesabre0> anyhoo, just letting you guys know. If you need an upload, will have to get Micah or a sponsor :)
[22:32] <bluesabre0> Gotta run... be back hopefully Thursday :)
[22:32] <knome> hf bluesabre0 
[22:32] <Unit193> Byebyebyebyebyebyebye.
[22:44] <micahg> I'm around
[22:44] <micahg> more or less
[22:44] <Unit193> \o/
[22:44] <micahg> except on Thursday :)