=== DalekSec_ is now known as DalekSec [17:55] We, again, don't care about UOS right? [17:56] Unit193, and because we don't care, we have an agenda item for it? [17:56] knome: Shush, you. ;P [17:57] knome: And, nah, wasn't aware of that yet. [17:57] i can ping balloons if you want to volunteer running a session [17:57] oops, i already did [17:57] hai balloons! [17:57] Just happend to see a message about it. [17:58] balloons can tell you more about running a session [17:58] That's fine, though I won't personally be running one. [17:58] sure? [17:59] Very. [17:59] even if you get a cookie? [17:59] (from microsoft's website) [18:04] <3 [18:04] I'm happy to inform, never coerce or force :-) [18:04] Howdy. [18:05] luckily, i'm not you ;)= [18:06] lol [18:06] so balloons comes by to hang with the really cool kids [18:06] Oooh, elfy is going to do one? [18:07] behind the bikesheds ... I note that mhall119 sneaks about in here too and even reconnects :p [18:07] Several oddities are. [18:07] <- [18:08] * balloons briefly considers idling longer [18:08] :) [18:08] at least 48 hours [18:08] my timing is bad [18:08] I tried idleing in a new channel recently, kept getting pings... [18:09] poor Unit193 ;) [18:09] that must've been a nightmare! [18:09] you can just imagine [18:09] "Why must you be doing the pinging?" [18:18] elfy: I've been idling in here for years [18:18] mhall119: I know :) [18:25] So, we should ping mhall119 for no reason whatsoever? [18:25] We've also got a cypher mox in here, which I need to bribe for my packageset application. [18:27] Unit193, mhall119 that is? [18:27] Yep, that's the one. [18:27] there can be only one mhall119 [18:27] ochosi: So when you get back, what exactly is https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkSettings.html#GtkSettings--gtk-enable-animations for that matter? I know it does smooth scrolling, but any idea what else? [18:27] yup, if there was another, he's be mhall120 [18:27] It doesn't say much. [18:28] mhall119: Or, mhall118? Did you kill the 18?! [18:28] we don't talk about mhall118 [18:29] mhall119, is that the royal we? [18:29] cyphermox: Speaking of you and plymouth, have you tried building with --list-missing or --fail-missing? Or gotten anywhere with LP 1386005? [18:29] Launchpad bug 1386005 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Password not accepted graphical boot for encrypted root system" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1386005 [18:33] Unit193: haven't looked carefully [18:33] I'm still mostly reacting to bugs right now, and higher priorities often pop up [18:34] cyphermox: OK, think that bug might be a bit important, but I'll bug you about the other stuff for wombat of course. :) [18:34] that bug looks like it's somewhere between plymouth and the kernel screwing things up, IIRC if I use 3.19 mainline things would work, but I haven't checked again in a little while [18:34] Removing 'splash' from the boot options is a workaround, but maybe not a well known one. Anywho, figured I'd poke. [18:35] it was a good idea to [18:35] thanks for reminding me of it, unfortunately I certainly won't be able to retest this until next week [18:48] knome: same with davmor1 and davmor3 is just evil :D [18:48] :) [18:51] cyphermox: I have a VM handy, I'll test a couple different kernels. [18:53] Unit193: did you see this in VMs? [18:53] cyphermox: Yep. [18:53] ok... in my experience it was especially a problem on nouveau/radeon, not necessarily on qxl and whatnot [18:53] ... though I haven't tried so much in VMs. [18:59] cyphermox: I sware I'm just commenting, found it odd that Plymouth wouldn't display, and in fact somewhat recently would put the monitor to sleep during boot rather than showing, used a non-Ubuntu kernel and now plymouth even shows up right now. [19:01] ah what? [19:55] Can't get plymouth to show the 'logo' theme anymore in vbox, thus can't test. >_> [20:03] who care's, lets get an image that allows you to reboot and I'll be happy [20:07] Unit193: it disables all animations toolkit-wide. that includes certain widgets that sport animations (e.g. GtkRevealer, which is used for Parole's playback-control bar, or GtkStack, which is a replacement for GtkNotebook) [20:07] so yeah, i still think it'd be a worthwhile setting to have in the UI somewhere [20:10] elfy: Eh, being seemingly unable to unlock an encrypted install doesn't seem good either though. [20:10] ochosi: Dang.. [20:11] Unit193: "dang" good or "dang" bad? [20:11] ochosi: Well, Parole uses it, so likely not going to disable by default... [20:11] depends [20:12] who knows, if animations cause issues [20:13] That, and the new Xfwm highlights I want gone. [20:13] seems to me you dont like all the new things [20:14] Could well be, sure. Just don't like when the whole screen goes a shade of green. :D [20:14] I'm guessing that's a 'no' to both. OK. [20:15] it's not [20:16] ochosi: FWIW, that's also a compliment! It means that Xubuntu is quite good how it is. :D [20:16] heh [20:17] well it mostly means that either Gtk+, X11, graphic card drivers or the hardware sucks [20:18] While it isn't great, I don't like smooth scrolling, always feels laggy even on good systems. It's just a preference, and if you could only disable smooth scrolling it'd be great but the fact it hits parole is bad, IMO. [20:19] Anywho, put it on my tracker for Wombat, thanks for the additional information. [20:21] Unit193: ofc, but being that we don't test that - is it something we should get noisy about [20:21] more than just referring to it [20:21] elfy: Ah, well this is my personal noise, not Xubuntu team. [20:22] but does impact on comments made in here [20:22] by me - should we test this stuff now [20:22] elfy: Ah, well FWIW it's not an Xubuntu issue, soo. [20:22] yes [20:22] I know :) [20:23] Great! So no more work for you. :D [20:23] but if we were testing then it would not be just 1/5th or 2/5ths [20:25] the issue is - that if it is not seen in Ubuntu, they only care if it's a nightmare [20:25] and as Ubuntu now only bother right at the end - nightmares for everyone else don't figure much [20:25] the trouble is everyone - us include - release with fails [20:25] perhaps we shouldn't [20:26] Indeed, but in this case it's either an older bug or a recurring one. And, as Kubuntu is aware of it, they tend to make noise and have more weight to throw around than we do. [20:26] if blog xyz all said - wow no ubuntu flavours released beta 1 because of this - they would notice [20:27] (And of course I'd hate to push more testing load on you.) Encryption works, and logging in works if you use the plymouth-text theme. [20:28] yea and it's fail if Xubuntu releases because one person tested and reported [20:39] ochosi: Oh, that soundmenu/pulseaudio merger still on your agenda for $LONGTERM? [20:41] Unit193: well what did you think i was going to ask about..? :) [20:42] Niiice. [20:42] * Unit193 stops bugging. [20:55] Unit193: ooook, so i just got another heads up about the animation settings, it even stops the spinner... [20:55] so humm, that's a pass on switching that off by default in xubuntu [20:56] otherwise we would prolly have to be consistent and switch off the compositor by default again too [20:56] Spinner? [20:56] yeah, you know, that progress indicator apps have..? [20:56] And yeah, understandably. I think the smooth scrolling annoys me enough to leave it off for myself. Aha, that. [20:57] Stupid GTK... [20:58] ochosi: Well hey, thanks for lookin' [21:01] sure, np [21:01] i wanted to know too [21:01] (Took it off my tracker, of course.) [21:02] Unit193: ochosi: elfy: just checking, are we good with the rebooting after install on your side? [21:02] in case anything is still exploding :) [21:02] very lastest image 20150414 should work, AFAICT [21:09] cyphermox: sorry, was out for a day or two, i'm not really up to speed [21:09] just askin', don't worry about it :) [21:10] * ochosi stops worrying and loves the bomb [22:24] hey everyone. just a heads up that my internet is out through at least Thursday [22:25] bluesabre0: Hello mein freund! [22:25] huhu [22:25] :) [22:25] bluesabre0, why did you break it? [22:26] I did nothing... I'd prefer to have something functional :D [22:26] been playing lots of offline games though as a result [22:26] bluesabre0, openttd? [22:26] that's such an awesome offline time waster [22:27] bluesabre0: Oooh, which ones? [22:27] Mario, Sonic, other Wii games... might play some final fantasy later [22:28] hah [22:28] Wife happy? Wife the one that do it? :P [22:28] i'm sure she's happy for sean spending less time in front of the computer [22:28] She's less happy than I am, needs to get photos to client [22:28] bluesabre0, snailmaiillll ;) [22:29] or telnet them [22:29] ewwww [22:29] well in fact, i should snailmail my client some photos [22:29] Library. [22:29] mobile web. [22:30] Yeah, she's probably going to upload from somewhere else tomorrow [22:31] anyhoo, just letting you guys know. If you need an upload, will have to get Micah or a sponsor :) [22:32] Gotta run... be back hopefully Thursday :) [22:32] hf bluesabre0 [22:32] Byebyebyebyebyebyebye. [22:44] I'm around [22:44] more or less [22:44] \o/ [22:44] except on Thursday :)