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doomikusanyone have a suggestion for easy backup with at least some multiple versioning?01:29
yahyaadoes anyone have any idea when the stable version of plasma5 will be coming out?01:35
doomikusyahyaa: if you ask the devs, they will probably tell you "when it's finished"  :D01:36
yahyaaby sayind devs are u refering to the developers? and if so how do I contact them?01:37
doomikusnot sure but I would think kde.org might be a good start01:37
yahyaaok thanks01:37
doomikusyahyaa: you could always install virtualbox, create a vm and test the "beta-ish" build yourself01:38
doomikussome of the distros are including it01:38
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saidoxhello i have plasma 5.2.2 and i have a probleme with mouse right click in the desktop the probleme it doesn't show the menu bar as it should be can some one know why this happening with me03:26
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darthanubiskairox: it's a bug03:44
darthanubisKDE bug 34619103:45
ubottuKDE bug 346191 in components "no right-click menus on the desktop after today's updates" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34619103:45
valorieshould be confirmed by now, good grief04:01
bshahvalorie: can you give me screenshot of the Mouse Actions page from desktop settings?04:02
bshah(I can not reproduce it with -git packages, but shot in blue.. I have some idea)04:02
valoriewell, krunner is also broken today04:03
valorieas well as the search in kicker04:03
EtriaphSo I'm not the only one :D04:03
bshahvalorie: you can open desktop settings from hamburger menu04:03
EtriaphI logged a bug on plasma-desktop earlier for this.04:03
bshahit sound to me more like packaging problem..04:04
valorieyes, I filed bugs both on bko and launchpad04:04
bshahcan any of you run plasmashell from konsole. and see what it outputs when you right click?04:04
Etriaphkf5.kiconthemes: "Theme tree: (Compass)" <-- output from that execution04:05
bshahno no..04:05
bshahEtriaph: kill plasmashell first; then run plasmashell04:05
EtriaphAh, one moment04:05
bshahpkill plasmashell; plasmashell04:06
EtriaphNo output04:06
bshahi.e plasmashell itself doesn't output anything? or when you rightclick?04:07
EtriaphWhen I right-click04:07
EtriaphLots of debugging output of course, just nothing on that action04:07
bshahalright; now can you open Desktop settings from hamburger menu?04:08
valoriebshah: http://imgur.com/D8Jh3UA04:08
EtriaphYup.04:08
bshahsomething ate defaults04:09
EtriaphCan it be rebound?04:10
bshahnot sure where this file is on your kubuntu but; plasma/shells/org.kde.plasma.desktop/contents/defaults can you paste me it?04:10
EtriaphOooh, it crashes when I try.04:10
bshahhm? any backtrace?04:11
EtriaphOh...04:12
EtriaphYa, will product04:12
EtriaphBut... that whole tree is gone04:12
EtriaphIt shows up on locate, but not on disk04:12
bshahwtf04:12
EtriaphWhich means the update removed it.04:12
EtriaphIt's in /usr/share/plasma fyi04:12
EtriaphOr that's where locate reported it.04:12
bshahokay what are the dirs in /usr/share/plasma/shells/ ?04:13
valoriebshah: https://paste.kde.org/pnaoiegh904:14
bshahRightButton;NoModifier=org.kde.contextmenu04:15
Etriaph/usr/share/plasma/shells/org.kde.plasma.desktop04:15
bshahsounds sane04:15
EtriaphContains contents and metadata.desktop04:15
bshahdoes it work with blank session (i.e test user?)04:16
EtriaphUm, I can try if you wish.04:16
bshahwould be helpful04:16
EtriaphOne sec...04:16
valorieafaik it worked until today's updates04:17
bshahanyway to know what files got update?04:17
valoriethere was a user complaining on G+ so I tested04:17
bshahs/files/packages04:17
valoriehmmm, yes -- I think04:17
bshahthis is indeed specific to kubuntu04:18
valoriedarn it, there is an apt history file somewhere04:18
EtriaphArgh, can't switch users gonna log out and test, one sec..04:18
valoriehttps://paste.kde.org/pepneigs704:20
EtriaphYup, same on a new account.04:20
bshahI wonder if it is bug related to kconfig and /etc --- something04:22
Etriaphkdeinit5 has no bug reporting address, so crashes can't be reported?04:23
bshahdepends upon crash..04:25
bshahyou can report but you have to do it manually04:25
bshahcan you give me the cat ~/.config/plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc ?04:28
bshahs/cat//04:29
valoriehttps://paste.kde.org/pxpywm6px04:30
bshahbuh there is no Actions part there..04:31
bshah:\04:31
bshah[ActionPlugins][127]04:31
bshahRightButton;NoModifier=org.kde.contextmenu04:32
bshahlike I have this04:32
bshahcan you add new action in Mouse action or that also doesn't work?04:32
bshahEtriaph: valorie: ^04:34
valoriethere is a button in systemsettings, but I have no clue what to do with it?04:35
valorieAdd Action04:35
valoriebut how does one do that?04:35
EtriaphThat's what caused the crashed for me valorie04:35
EtriaphIf I click on that button, then right-click, kdeinit5 crashes04:35
valorieI don't have a mouse .... well I guess I could get a mouse04:35
bshahclick on it.. it will tell "Input Action" now and then right-click04:35
valorieI have a touchpad04:35
bshahEtriaph: can you fetch the backtrace?04:36
valorieha, that crashed plasma04:36
valoriewhen I right-clicked04:36
Etriaphbshah, ya one sec04:36
Etriaphvalorie: Ya :(04:36
valorieExecutable: plasmashell PID: 1556 Signal: Segmentation fault (11) Time: 4/14/15 21:36:1004:36
bshahIbacktrace from developer information would be helpful04:37
valoriedebug in gdb?04:37
EtriaphDo you want it pasted or reported?04:37
EtriaphI have it in the dialog.04:37
bshahEtriaph: paste it please04:37
Etriaphhttps://paste.kde.org/pgabukmfr04:38
* valorie is getting missing debug packages04:38
bshahEtriaph: can you paste it on https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346191 too?04:39
ubottuKDE bug 346191 in general "no right-click menus on the desktop after today's updates" [Normal,Unconfirmed]04:39
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valoriegah, it wants me to restart04:40
valorieone report is enough I think, right?04:40
EtriaphI'm reporting it now04:41
EtriaphUnder plasmahsell > Desktop Dashboard04:41
EtriaphOr what would be more appropriate?04:42
bshahEtriaph: no no; don't report new bug..04:43
bshahplease put it in bug I pointed as comment04:44
EtriaphOh...04:45
EtriaphI just logged it.04:45
EtriaphSo paste the backtrace as a comment on 346191?04:46
bshahworks for now.. I will add a comment04:46
bshahI can not think of anything for now.. I have to run at university in sometime..04:48
bshahso see you..04:48
bshahwill try to debug it later..04:48
EtriaphTake it easy.04:48
EtriaphFound another, strange bug.05:11
EtriaphIf I try to switch users the Alt-F2 dialog appears and the text 'SESSIONS' is populated there.05:12
valoriewhoa, strange05:14
valoriefor me, krunner doesn't work at all today05:14
valoriealso filed a bug about that05:15
valoriebugs: both bko and launchpad05:15
EtriaphI didn't know how accustomed I was to right-clicking my desktop until today.05:15
valorieI don't miss that, but I sure miss krunner05:16
EtriaphYa, I want my gg: back05:16
valorieEtriaph: more developers needed!05:19
Etriaphvalorie: Not so seasoned with C++ as I am with other languages.05:29
Etriaphvalorie: But I have considered it.  Learning the ecosystem would take a while.05:29
valorieprobably just needs porting05:30
EtriaphEr.. cannot save places in Dolphin either.05:40
valorieI've heard that mentioned, but don't know if a bug report has been filed05:42
valoriewould be bko, not launchpad I believe05:42
EtriaphYup, added confirmation.05:43
EtriaphOn lp05:43
EtriaphJust two days away, how's the list lookin'?  ;)05:43
EtriaphOr one day now I guess.05:43
valoriehttp://goo.gl/Chh7uh05:44
valorieis the list05:44
valorie!vivid05:44
ubottuUbuntu 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) will be the 22nd release of Ubuntu due for release in April 2015. Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1. For more info see the announcement at  http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/142505:44
valoriepfff05:44
valorieApril 23rd is release, so lots of bug-fixing time05:45
Etriaph16th is RC though yes?05:46
valorieRC is out when it's out05:46
EtriaphLOL05:46
valoriefinal freeze is on the 16th05:46
valoriereally, they have held it back for days sometimes05:46
valoriehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule05:46
EtriaphIt's also marked as the RC, that's why I mentioned it.05:48
valorieright, but that is a moving target sometimes05:50
* Etriaph nods05:50
valorielet me put it this way: the RC will be out before final release05:51
valorie:-)05:51
EtriaphI'm really impressed by just how stable it actually is.  None of the software I made use of prior to 15.04 is unavailable in a way that I can't work.  I absolutely don't understand why people still use GNOME05:52
EtriaphI think the only app that I've fought with has been Kmail05:54
EtriaphIf I were to help out with KDE or related apps, it would be that one.05:54
valoriethe kdepim team is great!05:56
EtriaphI'm not sure they'd like what I have to say about kmail LOL05:56
valoriebut getting your plugin into krunner would be trivial I think05:56
valorieI miss kmail05:56
valorieit just doesn't work for me anymore05:56
valoriehopefully one of these days again05:57
valorieI've never tried anything else I like05:57
EtriaphI think the UI needs a modernization; the workflow if you have more than one account configured is painful.05:57
EtriaphIf you think they would be receptive to the conversation, though, I'd be interested to know who to speak with to see what could be done.05:59
valorieEtriaph: join #kontact06:01
valorieread up on the links in the /topic as usual06:01
EtriaphI'll add it to my channel list for tomorrow.06:01
valoriecool06:01
valorieif you start fixing bugs, or docu or whatever06:01
valorieyour opinion is worth as much as anybody else06:02
EtriaphI think I'd be likely to create mock-ups in QML so it could be plugged in easily to back-end code if they so chose.06:02
valoriepotshots from the sidelines can be ignored, but users and devels have valuable opinions06:02
valoriecool06:02
EtriaphBut I'll chat with them tomorrow about it.06:03
valorielike I said, listen and read for a bit06:03
valorieit would be lovely to have a kubuntu person on that team06:03
EtriaphI at one point wanted to assist with the Kubuntu website, but Wordpress having been chosen and no one really owning it, I switched to paying work for something to keep me busy at the time.06:03
valoriepeople have really stepped up for the website06:04
valoriewe had an SoK student do some work, but IMO it was rather a mess06:04
EtriaphRiddell had said I should just start making changes when I was speaking with him, but I'm not sure anyone had really decided on a direction except that it had to change06:06
EtriaphWeb/Social Media should be 2 sides of the same coin: Promotion.06:07
valoriemy memory is a bit hazy, but it seems that some of our Romanian users made a nice site, and then offered to move that work to the Kubuntu site06:07
EtriaphDo you know where the existing test site is?06:08
valorieI think it should be ready for release day06:08
EtriaphWhen ovidiu-florin sent out the email to the devel list, he neglected to add a link.06:10
valorielooking for a link06:10
valoriehttp://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/06:10
valorieI think06:10
valorieyes06:11
EtriaphOy that image takes a while to transfer.06:13
valorieyes, I think some images need to be optimized06:17
valorieI'm sure they could use help still06:17
soeegood morning06:23
EtriaphGood morning soee06:24
soeehiho Etriaph06:24
EtriaphOK, that's all of my feedback sent for the day.06:34
EtriaphTime for sleepies.06:34
EtriaphCatch ya on the flipside!06:34
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s_20right now kubuntu is crashing for me when i try to log in08:05
s_20X (and sddm) is starting up, but when i try to log in it's showing me KDE's loading bar and then X/sddm restarts08:05
soees_20: nvidia gpu ?08:06
s_20yes08:06
soeeprime ?08:06
soee*optimus08:06
s_20yes308:06
soeedo you have latets updates ?08:06
soee*latest08:06
s_20i just updated a few minutes ago08:07
s_20the fonts in sddm are..weird as well all of a sudden08:07
soeewel had the same, but i was abel to run nvidia drivers yesterday08:07
soees_20: what driver version are you running ?08:08
soeeim not sure if it is related but i have 34608:08
s_20340 apparently08:09
soees_20: can you update to 346 ?08:10
s_20doing it right now08:10
s_20soee: did you have the same problem with the weird fonts as well?08:11
soees_20: not exaclty fonts but resolution08:11
s_20they're way too small, as if the DPI setting changed, and some of them are just..blobs08:11
s_20as in completely blurry08:11
soeemight happen08:11
soees_20: than for a moment switch to intel profile - type in command line: sudo prime-select intel08:12
s_20soee: i'll try my luck with346 first08:12
s_20but thanks for the hint08:12
soeeyuo shoudl be able to login, than open nvidia-settings and check Nvidia profile, try to reboot08:12
soeefor me it ended with black screen (reboot) but after restart it worked08:13
s_20i'll just restart right away08:13
soeeok, tell me then how it worked for you08:14
s_20okay, i'm in kde now08:18
s_20something strange happened to the fonts anyway08:18
s_20they're all *way* too small08:18
s_20and the alt-f2 launcher doesn't find anything anymore o_O08:19
s_20not even commands that are in the path08:19
s_20as in $PATH08:19
soees_20: there was an update yesterday to KF 5.908:20
soeewith this update search is broken and rightclick on desktop not working08:21
soeethis is known08:21
s_20soee: oh08:21
s_20i take that is going to get fixed soon..as that has a certain release critical air about it..?08:21
soees_20: the font size might be related to DPI settings08:21
JunkHunkhello Is there a way to completely remove a gnome application? I accidentally installed avant window navigator and as it didnt work properly I removed it...that was at least what I thought but now it still wants to start at login and a bothersome session manager warning appears every time08:21
soees_20: yes shoudl be fixed soon08:21
s_20soee: i know, but i didn't change them :(08:21
soees_20: go to System Settings -> Fonts08:22
soeeand check DPI settings08:22
s_20i know, they're on automatic, as they always were08:22
soeeJunkHunk: how did you remove it ?08:23
JunkHunksoee sudo apt-get purge avn08:24
s_20at least for now i'm in a state where i can work again..if the fonts bother me too much i can still change the DPI settings and i'll just hope the launcher will work again soon, i use it a lot08:24
s_20anyway, thank you for the hint about the nvidia drivers!08:24
JunkHunksoee no, what I did was this: sudo ppa-purge ppa:awn-testing/ppa08:25
soeeJunkHunk: so you purged ppa not package it seems, purging ppa moves package to version from archive if available but not removing it08:26
soeewhat is the package name of avant ? avn ?08:26
soeethan: sudo apt-get remove --purge avn08:27
JunkHunksoee I never thought it would be this troublesome to uninstall something it reminds me windows days08:27
soeeJunkHunk: ppa purge revertes package version not packages it contains08:27
JunkHunksoee I did this to install it: http://askubuntu.com/questions/453460/is-avant-window-navigator-available-for-ubuntu-14-0408:27
soeeok than: sudo apt-get remove --purge avant-window-navigator08:28
JunkHunksoee it says it couldn't locate package avant-window-navigator08:32
soeeJunkHunk: it shoudl work but check if maybe it some different package name08:34
JunkHunkbut I still get this each login: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=8677008:34
JunkHunksoee it seems there is still something in the system related to AWN and the system still fetchs it08:35
soeeJunkHunk: go to System Settings -> Startup and check if ther eis some service related to avn that runs on startup08:36
soees_20: i have updated bug report with teh info you provided https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-prime/+bug/142832808:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1428328 in nvidia-prime (Ubuntu) "nvidia-prime needs sddm support" [Medium,Fix released]08:37
s_20soee: alright08:38
s_20i'm always a little confused by the way ubuntu handles nvidia drivers, it's a little more transparent on debian systems08:39
s_20as in "please update to 346 automatically if it's available"08:39
soees_20: not here i think, but 346 is marked as recommended08:41
soeein drivers manager08:41
JunkHunksoee no clue of AWN in system settings: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=8677108:44
JunkHunksoee http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=8677208:45
soeeJunkHunk: does this shows any packages to be removed: sudo apt-get remove --purge avant* ?08:46
JunkHunksoee no08:47
JunkHunksoee just not installed packages and some unnecessary libmono and linux image...08:48
soeeso there left some configuration entry08:50
soeesome german forum http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/system-meckert-beim-start-ueber-fehlende-exec-/08:50
JunkHunknothing related with AWN08:51
JunkHunksoee okay thanks08:56
JunkHunksoee this: grep -iR avant-window-navigator as far as I know it is used to find even symbolic links or recursive directories related to avant window navigator but...it does not find anything. this is annoying09:02
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viphi ho, anybody experienced no right mouse/wheel working on desktop after latest update?09:59
lordievaderGood afternoon.10:06
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BluesKajHiyas all12:52
bduncanhi all. i'm running the vivid beta and there a few bugs which i'd like to track down and report.14:05
bduncanfirstly krunner seems to have stopped working. i can type in the box but nothing is ever suggested and pressing return does nothing14:05
bduncani've tried shell commands, .desktop commands, simple maths...14:06
bduncansecondly plasmashell seems to segfault every time i log in, but the bug reporter says the backtrace is useless even though i've installed debug symbols. can i clear out its config somewhere or get better logging?14:07
bduncanany pointers?14:08
hateballbduncan: #ubuntu+1 for vivid support until stable14:08
bduncanhateball: great, thanks14:09
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blubberbopHow important is fstrim? I've had it multiple times now that I'm working and out of the blue, my laptop freezes completely, cant do anything.. I CTRL SHIFT F1 to text console, which takes about a minute to pop up, then login that takes another 5 minutes, then iotop, and yep, fstrim again.... Whatever it does, great, do it, but why does it have to lock up my laptop while I'm working? It feels like windows doing its shitty upgrades NOW no matter if16:01
blubberbopyou're working or not...16:01
donniezazenIn http://files.kde.org/snapshots/ is kubuntu-201504091327-amd64.iso the latest?16:21
lordievaderblubberbop: For an SSD it should increase performance or so I've heared.16:26
blubberboplordievader: thats what the man page says, more or less.. But it should not completely lockup my laptop for the 15 minutes that its running, makes me really unhappy16:27
lordievaderDon't think you want to do it on mounted filesystems, but I have no experience with fstrim.16:28
MoonUnit`so i wasn't going mad with desktop search breaking then, saw the bug reports today.16:34
JunkHunkhello I was wondering why I cannot play mov videos on mozilla firefox...and I came here for some help...I already have the quicktime plugin installed and mov videos will play perfectly on my host players mozilla firefox is the default web browser for kubuntu isnt it?19:16
JunkHunksome system tweaking perhaps? codecs or something?19:17
BluesKajJunkHunk, install flashplugin-installer19:20
soeeBluesKaj: isn't it shipped with kubuntu-restricted-extras ?19:23
lordievadersoee: Not if you do not tick the box.19:24
lordievaderAh, wait. Never mind.19:24
soeeah, ok i thought it is :-)19:24
soeewhat is the best video editor in your opinion ? oenshot, kdenlive ?19:26
BluesKajJunkHunk,  copy quicktime rom wherever you installed it to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins19:27
BluesKajfrom19:27
tuv0kkdenlive19:28
BluesKajsoee, yeah I was mistaken about flash, it's default with the restricted-extras19:28
BluesKajand has nothing to do with .mov files :)19:29
soeetrue :)19:29
BluesKajshould have read his question more closely19:29
soeeahoneybun: ping19:30
JunkHunkBluesKaj,  okay I installed the flashplugin-installer but I dont know what you mean with the quicktime rom19:48
JunkHunkI didnt install quicktime19:48
JunkHunkdo I need to?19:48
BluesKajJunkHunk,  copy quicktime from wherever you installed it to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins19:48
BluesKajthe quicktime plugin , JunkHunk19:49
JunkHunkoh19:49
JunkHunkits a firefox plugin19:49
JunkHunkso I guess it is already in the plugins folder19:49
BluesKajok is it in this file /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ?19:50
BluesKajcheck to make sure19:50
JunkHunkinside /home/me/.mozilla there is a folder called firefox and another one called extensions19:51
JunkHunkin the extensions folder just a file: libflashplayer.so19:51
BluesKajwhat about /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ?19:53
JunkHunkhttp://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=8679919:54
JunkHunkno quicktime plugin?19:56
BluesKajno quicktime plugin there JunkHunk , so the .mov files won't play in firefox19:56
JunkHunk:-)19:56
JunkHunkokay I grep -iR quicktime and there are quicktime for gimp, phonon-vlc...and so but none in firefox folders so definetely no plugin19:57
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JunkHunkokay how do I get the plugin then? I tried the regular way that is using firefox plugins tab...where the quicktime plugin appear as installed...19:58
tuv0kJunkHunk: gecko-mediaplayer19:59
tuv0kJunkHunk: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/quicktime-plugin-play-audio-and-video19:59
tuv0kI've used it before, it works.19:59
tuv0kgecko-mediaplayer is in the repos20:00
tuv0ksudo apt-get install gecko-mediaplayer20:00
JunkHunkokay thanks buddie20:00
tuv0knp20:01
BluesKajtuv0k, cool, thanks for the tip :)20:02
tuv0kyw20:02
tuv0kfeels good to give back in some little bit20:03
JunkHunkhmmm I feel a bit suspicious about installing gnome programs in kubuntu..will gnome-mplayer be safe to install?20:04
tuv0kyes20:04
JunkHunkstill not playing...20:05
BluesKajJunkHunk, yes gnome apps run fine on kubuntu20:05
JunkHunkdo I need to restart?20:05
JunkHunknot fine at all20:06
JunkHunkyou try awn and see what happens20:06
tuv0kJunkHunk: what is the link you are trying to play?20:06
JunkHunkthough my problem might be I installed an outdated app in the latest kubuntu20:06
JunkHunkis a dropbox video I made20:06
tuv0kahhh20:06
JunkHunkI can play it well in the desktop20:07
JunkHunkbut it wont play in the browser20:07
tuv0kcan you try to visit an actuall site that has a mov video?20:07
JunkHunkhmmm wise idea20:07
tuv0khttp://trailers.apple.com/20:08
JunkHunkoh thanks20:08
tuv0kNow I remember why I installed it in the first place20:08
tuv0kto play apple trailers20:08
bpromptheheh20:08
tuv0k:)20:09
tuv0kkodi takes care of that now20:09
JunkHunkhmmm it is taking too long20:10
JunkHunkI think I might need a reboot20:10
tuv0kmost likely HD video20:10
tuv0kwhat is your connection like?20:10
BluesKajthere are more sites adopting HTML5 without adverting it for testing purposes , I've discoveed a few ...was running with flash to find which ones20:10
JunkHunkmore than enough20:10
tuv0kdo you see the video buffering20:10
JunkHunkno20:10
JunkHunkjust gray20:11
BluesKajerr without flash rather20:11
tuv0kat least restart firefox before you reboot the machine20:11
JunkHunkI already did20:11
JunkHunka couple of times20:11
tuv0kare you running an adblocker?20:11
tuv0kscript blocker?20:11
JunkHunkgood one but no20:12
JunkHunkoh wait20:12
tuv0kI'm going to try myself now20:12
JunkHunkyes20:12
JunkHunkthat was it20:13
tuv0k:)20:13
JunkHunkaddblock plus20:13
tuv0klol, nice20:13
JunkHunknow it is working20:13
tuv0kyup20:13
JunkHunkso what's wrong with my video???20:14
JunkHunkI ll need to record it again20:14
JunkHunkthanks anyway folks20:14
JunkHunksee you later20:14
tuv0kpeace20:14
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=== andreas_ is now known as andreas_k
=== blubberbop is now known as phoenixz
=== \b is now known as benonsoftware

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