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daftykinsEriC^^: granted i've just come home from the weekly pub quiz, thus some alcohol has been consumed, but what the hell is this josselin on about O_O00:26
EriC^^lol00:27
EriC^^beats me :D00:28
daftykinsnow i've gotta restart for Windows updates, but don't tell anyone else the game will be afoot...00:28
EriC^^hehe00:28
EriC^^ok00:29
daftykinsdone \o/00:30
daftykinsSSDs are great00:30
EriC^^cool00:30
uncleRoyEvening ... anyone here?04:32
lotuspsychjegood morning to all04:48
lotuspsychjehttp://linux.softpedia.com/blog/No-Reboot-Patching-Comes-to-Ubuntu-15-10-via-Linux-Kernel-4-0-Says-Mark-Shuttleworth-478400.shtml04:55
lotuspsychjeablest1980: yes morning here05:00
lotuspsychje7h05:01
ablest19801am05:01
ablest1980here05:01
lotuspsychjecool05:01
lotuspsychjeablest1980: how long do you support in #ubuntu?05:02
ablest1980today?05:02
lotuspsychjeall time :p05:02
ablest1980since 14.04lts05:03
lotuspsychjecool, you running trusty yourself?05:03
ablest1980yes05:03
lotuspsychjeme too, i like LTS05:03
ablest1980me too05:03
lotuspsychjeablest1980: im gonna start an ubuntu computer shop in my country soon05:04
ablest1980uk?05:04
lotuspsychjewith only samsung 850 pro ssd's inside and trusty05:04
lotuspsychjebelgium05:04
ablest1980cool05:05
lotuspsychjeill try to sell laptops, desktops, tablets and ubuntu phone05:05
lotuspsychjei think the mass public is ready for this05:05
ablest1980yes05:06
ablest1980wish you luck05:06
lotuspsychjeablest1980: thank you05:06
ablest1980np SD05:06
ablest1980XD05:06
lotuspsychjeablest1980: wich machine do you run trusty on05:06
ablest1980hp pavilion05:06
ablest1980notebook05:06
ablest1980g605:06
lotuspsychjeablest1980: ah nice, do you know if HP sells barebone laptops?05:07
lotuspsychjei hear hp is really linux friendly05:07
ki7mtThey are for sure05:07
ablest1980for me yes05:07
ki7mtThere printers are really good with Linux.05:07
ki7mtTheir ..05:07
lotuspsychjeim looking for a barebone laptop company who can send laptops without Os and Hd's05:08
lotuspsychjeki7mt: yeah thats my plan also, only hp printer with that hplip tools installed05:08
ki7mtAll of them would, given enough $$ on the table.05:08
lotuspsychjedid you see those new HP pc monitors, their fantastic05:09
ablest1980lotuspsychje https://system76.com/05:09
lotuspsychjeablest1980: yeah i know them, pretty nice but rather expensive05:10
ki7mtFrom a business standpoint, I'd stay away from high turnover hardware, the cost really comes in with locking in a configuration HW wsie, and forcing them to stick to it for say 3-5yrs.05:10
lotuspsychjeki7mt: what you mean by high turnover05:10
ki7mtIf your rolling with Ubuntu, 3yrs production, 3yrs maint, 4yr needs to be dev for next release .. adn that means HW continuity for them both.05:11
ki7mtChipset changes can cause you nightmares, component turnover ..05:11
lotuspsychjeyeah i dont want broadcom and atheros chipset for sure in my systems to sell05:12
ki7mtespecially with a small operation, where your Marketing, Engineering, Manufacturing and Sales :-)05:12
lotuspsychjeki7mt: wich company would you choose in my case05:12
lotuspsychjeits gonna be a small stire + service05:12
lotuspsychjestore05:13
lotuspsychjei dont wanna sell 10 brands of different systems to clients neither05:13
ki7mtMe personally, I like HP for Servers, and well, may as well go all in with HP. Dell is pretty descent too though, Linux support wise, BUT I hate their NIC harware.05:13
lotuspsychjedell is really fast on ubuntu i noticed05:14
lotuspsychjewhat kind of NIC you dont like on dell?05:14
lotuspsychjei think ill contact HP soon :p05:15
ablest1980:)05:15
ki7mtYour gonna want a small business package, for like an ofice with say 10 to 20 people or something, Servers, Network, Desktops and Laptops .. small packages, not million dollar deals, but more of a turn key setup for a small new company.05:15
lotuspsychjeits gonna be smaller05:16
lotuspsychjewebshop+store at home+service05:16
ki7mtDell was BCM, Im an Intel NIC fan all the way.05:16
lotuspsychjeright05:16
lotuspsychjeintel wifi is pretty decent for sure05:16
ablest1980my hp is amd05:17
ki7mtYeah, I mean, if the local coffis shop want new boxes, Laptop and Desktops or something,. it's best if you can keep all the same vendors.05:17
lotuspsychjegood idea05:17
ki7mtMakes you life easy, OEM support contracts easy warranty replacements easy .. all == EASY for you to manage.05:18
ablest1980i see dell alot05:18
ki7mtYeah, there cheap, and they have good marketing too.05:18
ki7mtHP not the the cheapest, but cheapest isn't always the "bestest" :-)05:18
lotuspsychjetrue05:19
ki7mtYou gonna want warranty support and service support .. thats where HO is really good.05:19
ki7mtHP no HO05:19
lotuspsychjeim also gonna do transforming for customers: bring your w8 machine and ill put samsung ssd 850 pro+trusty inside05:19
ki7mtCarful with that though, SSD == USB3 ..05:20
ki7mtOlder boxes may only have USB205:20
lotuspsychjeits gonna be system boost for sure05:20
ki7mtThe again, you could always sell them a MB upgrade package :-)05:20
ki7mtMB, RAM and SSD 800 bucks, super fast PC05:21
lotuspsychjelol05:21
lotuspsychjewell for 120 euro, you got already a nice ssd from samsung05:21
ki7mtthey get to reuse their Box and PSU :-)05:21
lotuspsychjeyes!05:21
lotuspsychjei got me an acer netbook + ubuntu 14.04.2 64bit + samsung evo 84005:22
lotuspsychjegoes rocketfast05:22
lotuspsychje5sec boot 3 sec halt05:22
ki7mtThat's the Buiz I'd go after, Upgrade Buiz .. + Linux05:22
ki7mtthen you cna Gaurentt 10x faster boots or whtever Marketing Blurb ya want to use.05:22
ki7mtGaurentee ..05:23
lotuspsychjecheck this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRYGuM4ckN005:23
ki7mtthat drive here is about 80 bucks.05:24
lotuspsychjeyeah im gonna use that for marketing trick for sure05:24
lotuspsychjeresource your computer is my slogan05:24
lotuspsychjeonce they got LTS installed, they use their machines for years05:24
lotuspsychjeno comming back to the pc store every month with virusses :p05:25
ki7mtyeah, so 100 buxk for MB, 100 bucks for SSD, and noew i5 100 bucks, Gross Margin ( Selling Price - Cost ) / Selling Price, your target needs to be 45-50% Gross Margin.05:25
lotuspsychjei can save money with the barebones, no pay for the Os and hd05:25
ki7mtSo from there you can set you Sellign price for the Package.05:25
ki7mtYeah, of course, but you gotta make money, and at some point, gotta pay yourself :-)05:26
lotuspsychjeyeah sure, im gonna try to setup neat prices <+ benefit05:26
ki7mtBare bones Laptops are not easy to get hold of, for the very reason your talking about.05:26
lotuspsychjeBTO laptops.nl does it, but not very cheap neither05:27
lotuspsychjei hope i can make a deal with HP05:27
ki7mtNope, they dont want them cheap ./. You may be better of, buy a minimal equipted box, stipping it out, upgrade it, then sell off the other stuff on Ebay or whtever.05:28
lotuspsychjeor placing the existing hd into a case for storage for the customer05:28
ki7mtYeah, your gonna need an edge somwhere as there's no way you can compete with their Marketing, Sales & Service.05:29
lotuspsychjebut as you said, i dont wanna be the cheapest05:29
lotuspsychjei want stable + fast05:29
ki7mtI really loo hard at low-end i5 Laptops, and make sure I could upgrade them to what I wanted.05:29
ki7mt.. look hard ..05:30
lotuspsychjeok05:30
ki7mtif it will run an I5, it will run an i3 and i7 more than liekly, but it's the SSD cost, RAM upgrades and the like you need to look at.05:30
ki7mtTh thing is, with an SSD, you dont need an i705:31
lotuspsychjeyeah with 4 or 8gig ram + ssd 850 pro, it will do magic on the machine05:31
lotuspsychjetrue05:31
lotuspsychjetoo pricy for the end customer also05:31
lotuspsychjeor maybe a gaming monster once in a while05:31
ki7mtNot unless your a developer of something where you max out CPU cycles allot.05:31
lotuspsychjesteam gaming desktop05:31
ki7mtThats more GPU than CPU05:32
lotuspsychjetrue05:32
ki7mtThen ya sell them your Deaktop Gamming Version for mo $$$05:32
ki7mtDesktop ..05:32
lotuspsychjethe gaming part will be harder05:32
lotuspsychjeas i have to convice them only use steam05:33
ki7mtHook them with the work setup, real them in with Gamming and Dev Workstations.05:33
lotuspsychjei think: lowcost netbook, multimedia laptop,high end laptop05:33
ki7mtReal gamers know what they need, but that's not what sells, it's "what they want" is what sells, hard core gamers always over buy what they really need.05:33
lotuspsychjethen mulitmedia dekstop, and high end gaming desktop05:34
lotuspsychjesystem76 makes difference with mulitmedia/business05:34
ki7mtthey need 32GB ram, 2x SSD's i7's or Multi-CPU AMD's Nvidia Quadro's on and on an on05:34
lotuspsychjei wont do that05:34
lotuspsychjewanna keep it simple05:35
ki7mtlol that's smart05:35
lotuspsychjeso sticking to i5 is good idea05:35
ki7mtI built allot of custom Water-Cooled boxes for Gamers, they stupid money on that crap. All so they can overclock it, and buy a new one next year when it frys05:35
lotuspsychjetnx for the hint05:35
ki7mtI thin i5 or really, i3 for a Laprop, then you get much better Batt Life, but i5 is a brand name seller for sure.05:36
lotuspsychjeyou know of those intel NUC's perform good on ubuntu?05:37
ki7mtit all depends. I mean really, most people use their laptop for surfing and social media, with Music and a few vid's thrown in for good measure, that dont take allot of CPU power.05:37
lotuspsychjemight get a 'clean' feeling as house desktop with neat hp screen :p05:38
lotuspsychjesmall NUC on their table :p05:38
ki7mtI built several NUC's and alot of Mini-ITX boxed .. ~500 bucks out the door.05:38
lotuspsychjenice05:38
ki7mtI use i3 3.8Ghz 2 core ( not quad ) for the Mini-ITX boxes.05:39
lotuspsychjemaybe ill use the cheapest NUC as lowend desktop05:39
ki7mtthere really fast, and with amSATA or SSD, stupid fast.05:39
lotuspsychjeyeah msata samsung 850 pro05:40
lotuspsychjewill rocknroll05:40
ki7mtCheckinto the Mini-ITX i5 boards, 200 bucks, CPU and MB, add SSD, your at 300 bucks, Ram, 100 bucks, case 50 bucks, Ubuntu OS. Done.05:40
ki7mtal for 450 bucks. and lightening fast.05:41
lotuspsychjenice05:41
ki7mtand it will run ion your car with a 7" LCD display05:41
ki7mtin your car .. if ya got a AC plug that is05:42
lotuspsychjethe store will make a new ubuntu life05:42
lotuspsychjewith the BQ and meizu phone thats on the market05:42
lotuspsychjewill be nice05:42
ki7mtIm gonna sell the Mini-ITX boxes to Ham radio guys, they love them05:42
lotuspsychjeill transform nexus7 as ubuntu touch tablets too05:42
lotuspsychjecool idea05:42
ki7mti thought about that, but it's fiddly for me, Im better with normal boxes.05:43
lotuspsychjeki7mt: its really not hard to do, check the #ubuntu-touch topic to install05:43
lotuspsychjei bought me a nexus7 just for ubuntu05:43
lotuspsychjeand runs flawless05:43
ki7mtYeah, I know, allot of folks think ya gonna be a rocket scientist .. it's really not that hard.05:44
lotuspsychjelol05:44
ki7mtJust look at the Raspberry Pi's those things are like gold .. and only 35 Bucks here.05:44
lotuspsychjenice n cheap05:45
ki7mtshoot, a 16GB mSD card costs 2/3 rds the price of the Pi .. LOL05:45
lotuspsychjelol lol05:45
ki7mtI bought a card for mine, was like 18 dollars, Pi was 35.05:45
ki7mtand it's a Quad Core 1Hgz ARM05:46
ki7mt1Ghz ARMv705:46
lotuspsychjewith snappy core, its gonna be even more intersting in the future05:46
lotuspsychjemany brands will use ubuntu05:46
ki7mtIt's impressive to say the least, Im runnign Lubuntu ( Debian Jessie + LXDE ) and it works great.05:46
lotuspsychjedid you hear about ninja spere?05:47
lotuspsychjenice05:47
ki7mtYeah, I just burned the Ubuntu Core image yesterday, I've not isntalled it yet, gonna check it out.05:47
ki7mtNo, what' Ninja Sphere?05:47
lotuspsychjeholdon05:47
lotuspsychjehttps://ninjablocks.com/05:48
lotuspsychjeits an inernet of things device running on snappy :p05:49
ki7mtThat's pretty cool. Our Frig has a computer on the front of it, WiFI an All, the other half googl's cooking directions all the time, good ole Gordon Ramsey :-)05:49
lotuspsychjelol05:49
lotuspsychjeill nmap your frig and hack me an egg :p05:50
ki7mtdont tell I said this, but she can't cook at all .. but .. she tries, is all I ask :-)05:50
lotuspsychjeif its good between the sheets, no worries :p:p05:50
ki7mtSo I was OK with getting the more expensive Frig that told her how to cooks stuff .. LMAO05:50
lotuspsychjeboil an egg once in a while yourself then05:51
ki7mtShhet is one thing, Chow is another .. burn beans on toast suxs .. lol05:51
lotuspsychjehaha05:51
ki7mtActually, I do most of the cooking, one, she can't cook, and two, her mother never tough here how to clean, it's like a bimb goes off in the kitchen when she's done, I can't stand it.05:52
ablest1980bbl bye :D05:52
ki7mtlike a bomb ...05:52
lotuspsychjeablest1980: laterz05:52
ki7mtCUL05:52
lotuspsychjelolz05:52
ki7mtOk, I need a brew and to debug some code, so CUL after while.05:53
lotuspsychjeok cheers and tnx for the tips05:53
lotuspsychjesomsip: welcome :p08:02
somsipayup. I'm not as active as I have been as I just lurk and help while I work, but I'm usually around08:02
lotuspsychjeno sweat mate, its not about whos' most active, just the quality of supporters :p08:02
lotuspsychjewe always doing support, but never have a real change to talk to each other08:03
lotuspsychjethis might give some changes08:03
somsipand I admit I vary depending on caffeine levels, but I try :)08:03
somsipok - i'm here anyway08:03
lotuspsychjewe also pretty coffee slaves/idlers ourselfs :p08:04
lotuspsychjehttp://news.softpedia.com/news/First-Ubuntu-Touch-Devel-Version-Based-on-Vivid-Is-Out-478430.shtml09:00
lordievaderGood afternoon.10:07
BluesKajHiyas all12:52
ki7mtHello All, as some may know, I'm working toward Ubuntu membership.  ; I' have updated my Wiki page ( need typo / spelling checks still ) but if you have some spare time, could you take a look. If your familiar with my community activities,  feel free to leave a comment. Feedback for improvement would be very much appreciated. Linky: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KI7MT17:55
OerHeks:-)18:29
ki7mtThanks OerHeks .. and yes, that question did throw me off guard a bit :-)18:39
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