| daftykins | EriC^^: granted i've just come home from the weekly pub quiz, thus some alcohol has been consumed, but what the hell is this josselin on about O_O | 00:26 |
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| EriC^^ | lol | 00:27 |
| EriC^^ | beats me :D | 00:28 |
| daftykins | now i've gotta restart for Windows updates, but don't tell anyone else the game will be afoot... | 00:28 |
| EriC^^ | hehe | 00:28 |
| EriC^^ | ok | 00:29 |
| daftykins | done \o/ | 00:30 |
| daftykins | SSDs are great | 00:30 |
| EriC^^ | cool | 00:30 |
| uncleRoy | Evening ... anyone here? | 04:32 |
| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 04:48 |
| lotuspsychje | http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/No-Reboot-Patching-Comes-to-Ubuntu-15-10-via-Linux-Kernel-4-0-Says-Mark-Shuttleworth-478400.shtml | 04:55 |
| lotuspsychje | ablest1980: yes morning here | 05:00 |
| lotuspsychje | 7h | 05:01 |
| ablest1980 | 1am | 05:01 |
| ablest1980 | here | 05:01 |
| lotuspsychje | cool | 05:01 |
| lotuspsychje | ablest1980: how long do you support in #ubuntu? | 05:02 |
| ablest1980 | today? | 05:02 |
| lotuspsychje | all time :p | 05:02 |
| ablest1980 | since 14.04lts | 05:03 |
| lotuspsychje | cool, you running trusty yourself? | 05:03 |
| ablest1980 | yes | 05:03 |
| lotuspsychje | me too, i like LTS | 05:03 |
| ablest1980 | me too | 05:03 |
| lotuspsychje | ablest1980: im gonna start an ubuntu computer shop in my country soon | 05:04 |
| ablest1980 | uk? | 05:04 |
| lotuspsychje | with only samsung 850 pro ssd's inside and trusty | 05:04 |
| lotuspsychje | belgium | 05:04 |
| ablest1980 | cool | 05:05 |
| lotuspsychje | ill try to sell laptops, desktops, tablets and ubuntu phone | 05:05 |
| lotuspsychje | i think the mass public is ready for this | 05:05 |
| ablest1980 | yes | 05:06 |
| ablest1980 | wish you luck | 05:06 |
| lotuspsychje | ablest1980: thank you | 05:06 |
| ablest1980 | np SD | 05:06 |
| ablest1980 | XD | 05:06 |
| lotuspsychje | ablest1980: wich machine do you run trusty on | 05:06 |
| ablest1980 | hp pavilion | 05:06 |
| ablest1980 | notebook | 05:06 |
| ablest1980 | g6 | 05:06 |
| lotuspsychje | ablest1980: ah nice, do you know if HP sells barebone laptops? | 05:07 |
| lotuspsychje | i hear hp is really linux friendly | 05:07 |
| ki7mt | They are for sure | 05:07 |
| ablest1980 | for me yes | 05:07 |
| ki7mt | There printers are really good with Linux. | 05:07 |
| ki7mt | Their .. | 05:07 |
| lotuspsychje | im looking for a barebone laptop company who can send laptops without Os and Hd's | 05:08 |
| lotuspsychje | ki7mt: yeah thats my plan also, only hp printer with that hplip tools installed | 05:08 |
| ki7mt | All of them would, given enough $$ on the table. | 05:08 |
| lotuspsychje | did you see those new HP pc monitors, their fantastic | 05:09 |
| ablest1980 | lotuspsychje https://system76.com/ | 05:09 |
| lotuspsychje | ablest1980: yeah i know them, pretty nice but rather expensive | 05:10 |
| ki7mt | From a business standpoint, I'd stay away from high turnover hardware, the cost really comes in with locking in a configuration HW wsie, and forcing them to stick to it for say 3-5yrs. | 05:10 |
| lotuspsychje | ki7mt: what you mean by high turnover | 05:10 |
| ki7mt | If your rolling with Ubuntu, 3yrs production, 3yrs maint, 4yr needs to be dev for next release .. adn that means HW continuity for them both. | 05:11 |
| ki7mt | Chipset changes can cause you nightmares, component turnover .. | 05:11 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah i dont want broadcom and atheros chipset for sure in my systems to sell | 05:12 |
| ki7mt | especially with a small operation, where your Marketing, Engineering, Manufacturing and Sales :-) | 05:12 |
| lotuspsychje | ki7mt: wich company would you choose in my case | 05:12 |
| lotuspsychje | its gonna be a small stire + service | 05:12 |
| lotuspsychje | store | 05:13 |
| lotuspsychje | i dont wanna sell 10 brands of different systems to clients neither | 05:13 |
| ki7mt | Me personally, I like HP for Servers, and well, may as well go all in with HP. Dell is pretty descent too though, Linux support wise, BUT I hate their NIC harware. | 05:13 |
| lotuspsychje | dell is really fast on ubuntu i noticed | 05:14 |
| lotuspsychje | what kind of NIC you dont like on dell? | 05:14 |
| lotuspsychje | i think ill contact HP soon :p | 05:15 |
| ablest1980 | :) | 05:15 |
| ki7mt | Your gonna want a small business package, for like an ofice with say 10 to 20 people or something, Servers, Network, Desktops and Laptops .. small packages, not million dollar deals, but more of a turn key setup for a small new company. | 05:15 |
| lotuspsychje | its gonna be smaller | 05:16 |
| lotuspsychje | webshop+store at home+service | 05:16 |
| ki7mt | Dell was BCM, Im an Intel NIC fan all the way. | 05:16 |
| lotuspsychje | right | 05:16 |
| lotuspsychje | intel wifi is pretty decent for sure | 05:16 |
| ablest1980 | my hp is amd | 05:17 |
| ki7mt | Yeah, I mean, if the local coffis shop want new boxes, Laptop and Desktops or something,. it's best if you can keep all the same vendors. | 05:17 |
| lotuspsychje | good idea | 05:17 |
| ki7mt | Makes you life easy, OEM support contracts easy warranty replacements easy .. all == EASY for you to manage. | 05:18 |
| ablest1980 | i see dell alot | 05:18 |
| ki7mt | Yeah, there cheap, and they have good marketing too. | 05:18 |
| ki7mt | HP not the the cheapest, but cheapest isn't always the "bestest" :-) | 05:18 |
| lotuspsychje | true | 05:19 |
| ki7mt | You gonna want warranty support and service support .. thats where HO is really good. | 05:19 |
| ki7mt | HP no HO | 05:19 |
| lotuspsychje | im also gonna do transforming for customers: bring your w8 machine and ill put samsung ssd 850 pro+trusty inside | 05:19 |
| ki7mt | Carful with that though, SSD == USB3 .. | 05:20 |
| ki7mt | Older boxes may only have USB2 | 05:20 |
| lotuspsychje | its gonna be system boost for sure | 05:20 |
| ki7mt | The again, you could always sell them a MB upgrade package :-) | 05:20 |
| ki7mt | MB, RAM and SSD 800 bucks, super fast PC | 05:21 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 05:21 |
| lotuspsychje | well for 120 euro, you got already a nice ssd from samsung | 05:21 |
| ki7mt | they get to reuse their Box and PSU :-) | 05:21 |
| lotuspsychje | yes! | 05:21 |
| lotuspsychje | i got me an acer netbook + ubuntu 14.04.2 64bit + samsung evo 840 | 05:22 |
| lotuspsychje | goes rocketfast | 05:22 |
| lotuspsychje | 5sec boot 3 sec halt | 05:22 |
| ki7mt | That's the Buiz I'd go after, Upgrade Buiz .. + Linux | 05:22 |
| ki7mt | then you cna Gaurentt 10x faster boots or whtever Marketing Blurb ya want to use. | 05:22 |
| ki7mt | Gaurentee .. | 05:23 |
| lotuspsychje | check this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRYGuM4ckN0 | 05:23 |
| ki7mt | that drive here is about 80 bucks. | 05:24 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah im gonna use that for marketing trick for sure | 05:24 |
| lotuspsychje | resource your computer is my slogan | 05:24 |
| lotuspsychje | once they got LTS installed, they use their machines for years | 05:24 |
| lotuspsychje | no comming back to the pc store every month with virusses :p | 05:25 |
| ki7mt | yeah, so 100 buxk for MB, 100 bucks for SSD, and noew i5 100 bucks, Gross Margin ( Selling Price - Cost ) / Selling Price, your target needs to be 45-50% Gross Margin. | 05:25 |
| lotuspsychje | i can save money with the barebones, no pay for the Os and hd | 05:25 |
| ki7mt | So from there you can set you Sellign price for the Package. | 05:25 |
| ki7mt | Yeah, of course, but you gotta make money, and at some point, gotta pay yourself :-) | 05:26 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah sure, im gonna try to setup neat prices <+ benefit | 05:26 |
| ki7mt | Bare bones Laptops are not easy to get hold of, for the very reason your talking about. | 05:26 |
| lotuspsychje | BTO laptops.nl does it, but not very cheap neither | 05:27 |
| lotuspsychje | i hope i can make a deal with HP | 05:27 |
| ki7mt | Nope, they dont want them cheap ./. You may be better of, buy a minimal equipted box, stipping it out, upgrade it, then sell off the other stuff on Ebay or whtever. | 05:28 |
| lotuspsychje | or placing the existing hd into a case for storage for the customer | 05:28 |
| ki7mt | Yeah, your gonna need an edge somwhere as there's no way you can compete with their Marketing, Sales & Service. | 05:29 |
| lotuspsychje | but as you said, i dont wanna be the cheapest | 05:29 |
| lotuspsychje | i want stable + fast | 05:29 |
| ki7mt | I really loo hard at low-end i5 Laptops, and make sure I could upgrade them to what I wanted. | 05:29 |
| ki7mt | .. look hard .. | 05:30 |
| lotuspsychje | ok | 05:30 |
| ki7mt | if it will run an I5, it will run an i3 and i7 more than liekly, but it's the SSD cost, RAM upgrades and the like you need to look at. | 05:30 |
| ki7mt | Th thing is, with an SSD, you dont need an i7 | 05:31 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah with 4 or 8gig ram + ssd 850 pro, it will do magic on the machine | 05:31 |
| lotuspsychje | true | 05:31 |
| lotuspsychje | too pricy for the end customer also | 05:31 |
| lotuspsychje | or maybe a gaming monster once in a while | 05:31 |
| ki7mt | Not unless your a developer of something where you max out CPU cycles allot. | 05:31 |
| lotuspsychje | steam gaming desktop | 05:31 |
| ki7mt | Thats more GPU than CPU | 05:32 |
| lotuspsychje | true | 05:32 |
| ki7mt | Then ya sell them your Deaktop Gamming Version for mo $$$ | 05:32 |
| ki7mt | Desktop .. | 05:32 |
| lotuspsychje | the gaming part will be harder | 05:32 |
| lotuspsychje | as i have to convice them only use steam | 05:33 |
| ki7mt | Hook them with the work setup, real them in with Gamming and Dev Workstations. | 05:33 |
| lotuspsychje | i think: lowcost netbook, multimedia laptop,high end laptop | 05:33 |
| ki7mt | Real gamers know what they need, but that's not what sells, it's "what they want" is what sells, hard core gamers always over buy what they really need. | 05:33 |
| lotuspsychje | then mulitmedia dekstop, and high end gaming desktop | 05:34 |
| lotuspsychje | system76 makes difference with mulitmedia/business | 05:34 |
| ki7mt | they need 32GB ram, 2x SSD's i7's or Multi-CPU AMD's Nvidia Quadro's on and on an on | 05:34 |
| lotuspsychje | i wont do that | 05:34 |
| lotuspsychje | wanna keep it simple | 05:35 |
| ki7mt | lol that's smart | 05:35 |
| lotuspsychje | so sticking to i5 is good idea | 05:35 |
| ki7mt | I built allot of custom Water-Cooled boxes for Gamers, they stupid money on that crap. All so they can overclock it, and buy a new one next year when it frys | 05:35 |
| lotuspsychje | tnx for the hint | 05:35 |
| ki7mt | I thin i5 or really, i3 for a Laprop, then you get much better Batt Life, but i5 is a brand name seller for sure. | 05:36 |
| lotuspsychje | you know of those intel NUC's perform good on ubuntu? | 05:37 |
| ki7mt | it all depends. I mean really, most people use their laptop for surfing and social media, with Music and a few vid's thrown in for good measure, that dont take allot of CPU power. | 05:37 |
| lotuspsychje | might get a 'clean' feeling as house desktop with neat hp screen :p | 05:38 |
| lotuspsychje | small NUC on their table :p | 05:38 |
| ki7mt | I built several NUC's and alot of Mini-ITX boxed .. ~500 bucks out the door. | 05:38 |
| lotuspsychje | nice | 05:38 |
| ki7mt | I use i3 3.8Ghz 2 core ( not quad ) for the Mini-ITX boxes. | 05:39 |
| lotuspsychje | maybe ill use the cheapest NUC as lowend desktop | 05:39 |
| ki7mt | there really fast, and with amSATA or SSD, stupid fast. | 05:39 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah msata samsung 850 pro | 05:40 |
| lotuspsychje | will rocknroll | 05:40 |
| ki7mt | Checkinto the Mini-ITX i5 boards, 200 bucks, CPU and MB, add SSD, your at 300 bucks, Ram, 100 bucks, case 50 bucks, Ubuntu OS. Done. | 05:40 |
| ki7mt | al for 450 bucks. and lightening fast. | 05:41 |
| lotuspsychje | nice | 05:41 |
| ki7mt | and it will run ion your car with a 7" LCD display | 05:41 |
| ki7mt | in your car .. if ya got a AC plug that is | 05:42 |
| lotuspsychje | the store will make a new ubuntu life | 05:42 |
| lotuspsychje | with the BQ and meizu phone thats on the market | 05:42 |
| lotuspsychje | will be nice | 05:42 |
| ki7mt | Im gonna sell the Mini-ITX boxes to Ham radio guys, they love them | 05:42 |
| lotuspsychje | ill transform nexus7 as ubuntu touch tablets too | 05:42 |
| lotuspsychje | cool idea | 05:42 |
| ki7mt | i thought about that, but it's fiddly for me, Im better with normal boxes. | 05:43 |
| lotuspsychje | ki7mt: its really not hard to do, check the #ubuntu-touch topic to install | 05:43 |
| lotuspsychje | i bought me a nexus7 just for ubuntu | 05:43 |
| lotuspsychje | and runs flawless | 05:43 |
| ki7mt | Yeah, I know, allot of folks think ya gonna be a rocket scientist .. it's really not that hard. | 05:44 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 05:44 |
| ki7mt | Just look at the Raspberry Pi's those things are like gold .. and only 35 Bucks here. | 05:44 |
| lotuspsychje | nice n cheap | 05:45 |
| ki7mt | shoot, a 16GB mSD card costs 2/3 rds the price of the Pi .. LOL | 05:45 |
| lotuspsychje | lol lol | 05:45 |
| ki7mt | I bought a card for mine, was like 18 dollars, Pi was 35. | 05:45 |
| ki7mt | and it's a Quad Core 1Hgz ARM | 05:46 |
| ki7mt | 1Ghz ARMv7 | 05:46 |
| lotuspsychje | with snappy core, its gonna be even more intersting in the future | 05:46 |
| lotuspsychje | many brands will use ubuntu | 05:46 |
| ki7mt | It's impressive to say the least, Im runnign Lubuntu ( Debian Jessie + LXDE ) and it works great. | 05:46 |
| lotuspsychje | did you hear about ninja spere? | 05:47 |
| lotuspsychje | nice | 05:47 |
| ki7mt | Yeah, I just burned the Ubuntu Core image yesterday, I've not isntalled it yet, gonna check it out. | 05:47 |
| ki7mt | No, what' Ninja Sphere? | 05:47 |
| lotuspsychje | holdon | 05:47 |
| lotuspsychje | https://ninjablocks.com/ | 05:48 |
| lotuspsychje | its an inernet of things device running on snappy :p | 05:49 |
| ki7mt | That's pretty cool. Our Frig has a computer on the front of it, WiFI an All, the other half googl's cooking directions all the time, good ole Gordon Ramsey :-) | 05:49 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 05:49 |
| lotuspsychje | ill nmap your frig and hack me an egg :p | 05:50 |
| ki7mt | dont tell I said this, but she can't cook at all .. but .. she tries, is all I ask :-) | 05:50 |
| lotuspsychje | if its good between the sheets, no worries :p:p | 05:50 |
| ki7mt | So I was OK with getting the more expensive Frig that told her how to cooks stuff .. LMAO | 05:50 |
| lotuspsychje | boil an egg once in a while yourself then | 05:51 |
| ki7mt | Shhet is one thing, Chow is another .. burn beans on toast suxs .. lol | 05:51 |
| lotuspsychje | haha | 05:51 |
| ki7mt | Actually, I do most of the cooking, one, she can't cook, and two, her mother never tough here how to clean, it's like a bimb goes off in the kitchen when she's done, I can't stand it. | 05:52 |
| ablest1980 | bbl bye :D | 05:52 |
| ki7mt | like a bomb ... | 05:52 |
| lotuspsychje | ablest1980: laterz | 05:52 |
| ki7mt | CUL | 05:52 |
| lotuspsychje | lolz | 05:52 |
| ki7mt | Ok, I need a brew and to debug some code, so CUL after while. | 05:53 |
| lotuspsychje | ok cheers and tnx for the tips | 05:53 |
| lotuspsychje | somsip: welcome :p | 08:02 |
| somsip | ayup. I'm not as active as I have been as I just lurk and help while I work, but I'm usually around | 08:02 |
| lotuspsychje | no sweat mate, its not about whos' most active, just the quality of supporters :p | 08:02 |
| lotuspsychje | we always doing support, but never have a real change to talk to each other | 08:03 |
| lotuspsychje | this might give some changes | 08:03 |
| somsip | and I admit I vary depending on caffeine levels, but I try :) | 08:03 |
| somsip | ok - i'm here anyway | 08:03 |
| lotuspsychje | we also pretty coffee slaves/idlers ourselfs :p | 08:04 |
| lotuspsychje | http://news.softpedia.com/news/First-Ubuntu-Touch-Devel-Version-Based-on-Vivid-Is-Out-478430.shtml | 09:00 |
| lordievader | Good afternoon. | 10:07 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 12:52 |
| ki7mt | Hello All, as some may know, I'm working toward Ubuntu membership. ; I' have updated my Wiki page ( need typo / spelling checks still ) but if you have some spare time, could you take a look. If your familiar with my community activities, feel free to leave a comment. Feedback for improvement would be very much appreciated. Linky: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KI7MT | 17:55 |
| OerHeks | :-) | 18:29 |
| ki7mt | Thanks OerHeks .. and yes, that question did throw me off guard a bit :-) | 18:39 |
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