[00:26] EriC^^: granted i've just come home from the weekly pub quiz, thus some alcohol has been consumed, but what the hell is this josselin on about O_O [00:27] lol [00:28] beats me :D [00:28] now i've gotta restart for Windows updates, but don't tell anyone else the game will be afoot... [00:28] hehe [00:29] ok [00:30] done \o/ [00:30] SSDs are great [00:30] cool [04:32] Evening ... anyone here? [04:48] good morning to all [04:55] http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/No-Reboot-Patching-Comes-to-Ubuntu-15-10-via-Linux-Kernel-4-0-Says-Mark-Shuttleworth-478400.shtml [05:00] ablest1980: yes morning here [05:01] 7h [05:01] 1am [05:01] here [05:01] cool [05:02] ablest1980: how long do you support in #ubuntu? [05:02] today? [05:02] all time :p [05:03] since 14.04lts [05:03] cool, you running trusty yourself? [05:03] yes [05:03] me too, i like LTS [05:03] me too [05:04] ablest1980: im gonna start an ubuntu computer shop in my country soon [05:04] uk? [05:04] with only samsung 850 pro ssd's inside and trusty [05:04] belgium [05:05] cool [05:05] ill try to sell laptops, desktops, tablets and ubuntu phone [05:05] i think the mass public is ready for this [05:06] yes [05:06] wish you luck [05:06] ablest1980: thank you [05:06] np SD [05:06] XD [05:06] ablest1980: wich machine do you run trusty on [05:06] hp pavilion [05:06] notebook [05:06] g6 [05:07] ablest1980: ah nice, do you know if HP sells barebone laptops? [05:07] i hear hp is really linux friendly [05:07] They are for sure [05:07] for me yes [05:07] There printers are really good with Linux. [05:07] Their .. [05:08] im looking for a barebone laptop company who can send laptops without Os and Hd's [05:08] ki7mt: yeah thats my plan also, only hp printer with that hplip tools installed [05:08] All of them would, given enough $$ on the table. [05:09] did you see those new HP pc monitors, their fantastic [05:09] lotuspsychje https://system76.com/ [05:10] ablest1980: yeah i know them, pretty nice but rather expensive [05:10] From a business standpoint, I'd stay away from high turnover hardware, the cost really comes in with locking in a configuration HW wsie, and forcing them to stick to it for say 3-5yrs. [05:10] ki7mt: what you mean by high turnover [05:11] If your rolling with Ubuntu, 3yrs production, 3yrs maint, 4yr needs to be dev for next release .. adn that means HW continuity for them both. [05:11] Chipset changes can cause you nightmares, component turnover .. [05:12] yeah i dont want broadcom and atheros chipset for sure in my systems to sell [05:12] especially with a small operation, where your Marketing, Engineering, Manufacturing and Sales :-) [05:12] ki7mt: wich company would you choose in my case [05:12] its gonna be a small stire + service [05:13] store [05:13] i dont wanna sell 10 brands of different systems to clients neither [05:13] Me personally, I like HP for Servers, and well, may as well go all in with HP. Dell is pretty descent too though, Linux support wise, BUT I hate their NIC harware. [05:14] dell is really fast on ubuntu i noticed [05:14] what kind of NIC you dont like on dell? [05:15] i think ill contact HP soon :p [05:15] :) [05:15] Your gonna want a small business package, for like an ofice with say 10 to 20 people or something, Servers, Network, Desktops and Laptops .. small packages, not million dollar deals, but more of a turn key setup for a small new company. [05:16] its gonna be smaller [05:16] webshop+store at home+service [05:16] Dell was BCM, Im an Intel NIC fan all the way. [05:16] right [05:16] intel wifi is pretty decent for sure [05:17] my hp is amd [05:17] Yeah, I mean, if the local coffis shop want new boxes, Laptop and Desktops or something,. it's best if you can keep all the same vendors. [05:17] good idea [05:18] Makes you life easy, OEM support contracts easy warranty replacements easy .. all == EASY for you to manage. [05:18] i see dell alot [05:18] Yeah, there cheap, and they have good marketing too. [05:18] HP not the the cheapest, but cheapest isn't always the "bestest" :-) [05:19] true [05:19] You gonna want warranty support and service support .. thats where HO is really good. [05:19] HP no HO [05:19] im also gonna do transforming for customers: bring your w8 machine and ill put samsung ssd 850 pro+trusty inside [05:20] Carful with that though, SSD == USB3 .. [05:20] Older boxes may only have USB2 [05:20] its gonna be system boost for sure [05:20] The again, you could always sell them a MB upgrade package :-) [05:21] MB, RAM and SSD 800 bucks, super fast PC [05:21] lol [05:21] well for 120 euro, you got already a nice ssd from samsung [05:21] they get to reuse their Box and PSU :-) [05:21] yes! [05:22] i got me an acer netbook + ubuntu 14.04.2 64bit + samsung evo 840 [05:22] goes rocketfast [05:22] 5sec boot 3 sec halt [05:22] That's the Buiz I'd go after, Upgrade Buiz .. + Linux [05:22] then you cna Gaurentt 10x faster boots or whtever Marketing Blurb ya want to use. [05:23] Gaurentee .. [05:23] check this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRYGuM4ckN0 [05:24] that drive here is about 80 bucks. [05:24] yeah im gonna use that for marketing trick for sure [05:24] resource your computer is my slogan [05:24] once they got LTS installed, they use their machines for years [05:25] no comming back to the pc store every month with virusses :p [05:25] yeah, so 100 buxk for MB, 100 bucks for SSD, and noew i5 100 bucks, Gross Margin ( Selling Price - Cost ) / Selling Price, your target needs to be 45-50% Gross Margin. [05:25] i can save money with the barebones, no pay for the Os and hd [05:25] So from there you can set you Sellign price for the Package. [05:26] Yeah, of course, but you gotta make money, and at some point, gotta pay yourself :-) [05:26] yeah sure, im gonna try to setup neat prices <+ benefit [05:26] Bare bones Laptops are not easy to get hold of, for the very reason your talking about. [05:27] BTO laptops.nl does it, but not very cheap neither [05:27] i hope i can make a deal with HP [05:28] Nope, they dont want them cheap ./. You may be better of, buy a minimal equipted box, stipping it out, upgrade it, then sell off the other stuff on Ebay or whtever. [05:28] or placing the existing hd into a case for storage for the customer [05:29] Yeah, your gonna need an edge somwhere as there's no way you can compete with their Marketing, Sales & Service. [05:29] but as you said, i dont wanna be the cheapest [05:29] i want stable + fast [05:29] I really loo hard at low-end i5 Laptops, and make sure I could upgrade them to what I wanted. [05:30] .. look hard .. [05:30] ok [05:30] if it will run an I5, it will run an i3 and i7 more than liekly, but it's the SSD cost, RAM upgrades and the like you need to look at. [05:31] Th thing is, with an SSD, you dont need an i7 [05:31] yeah with 4 or 8gig ram + ssd 850 pro, it will do magic on the machine [05:31] true [05:31] too pricy for the end customer also [05:31] or maybe a gaming monster once in a while [05:31] Not unless your a developer of something where you max out CPU cycles allot. [05:31] steam gaming desktop [05:32] Thats more GPU than CPU [05:32] true [05:32] Then ya sell them your Deaktop Gamming Version for mo $$$ [05:32] Desktop .. [05:32] the gaming part will be harder [05:33] as i have to convice them only use steam [05:33] Hook them with the work setup, real them in with Gamming and Dev Workstations. [05:33] i think: lowcost netbook, multimedia laptop,high end laptop [05:33] Real gamers know what they need, but that's not what sells, it's "what they want" is what sells, hard core gamers always over buy what they really need. [05:34] then mulitmedia dekstop, and high end gaming desktop [05:34] system76 makes difference with mulitmedia/business [05:34] they need 32GB ram, 2x SSD's i7's or Multi-CPU AMD's Nvidia Quadro's on and on an on [05:34] i wont do that [05:35] wanna keep it simple [05:35] lol that's smart [05:35] so sticking to i5 is good idea [05:35] I built allot of custom Water-Cooled boxes for Gamers, they stupid money on that crap. All so they can overclock it, and buy a new one next year when it frys [05:35] tnx for the hint [05:36] I thin i5 or really, i3 for a Laprop, then you get much better Batt Life, but i5 is a brand name seller for sure. [05:37] you know of those intel NUC's perform good on ubuntu? [05:37] it all depends. I mean really, most people use their laptop for surfing and social media, with Music and a few vid's thrown in for good measure, that dont take allot of CPU power. [05:38] might get a 'clean' feeling as house desktop with neat hp screen :p [05:38] small NUC on their table :p [05:38] I built several NUC's and alot of Mini-ITX boxed .. ~500 bucks out the door. [05:38] nice [05:39] I use i3 3.8Ghz 2 core ( not quad ) for the Mini-ITX boxes. [05:39] maybe ill use the cheapest NUC as lowend desktop [05:39] there really fast, and with amSATA or SSD, stupid fast. [05:40] yeah msata samsung 850 pro [05:40] will rocknroll [05:40] Checkinto the Mini-ITX i5 boards, 200 bucks, CPU and MB, add SSD, your at 300 bucks, Ram, 100 bucks, case 50 bucks, Ubuntu OS. Done. [05:41] al for 450 bucks. and lightening fast. [05:41] nice [05:41] and it will run ion your car with a 7" LCD display [05:42] in your car .. if ya got a AC plug that is [05:42] the store will make a new ubuntu life [05:42] with the BQ and meizu phone thats on the market [05:42] will be nice [05:42] Im gonna sell the Mini-ITX boxes to Ham radio guys, they love them [05:42] ill transform nexus7 as ubuntu touch tablets too [05:42] cool idea [05:43] i thought about that, but it's fiddly for me, Im better with normal boxes. [05:43] ki7mt: its really not hard to do, check the #ubuntu-touch topic to install [05:43] i bought me a nexus7 just for ubuntu [05:43] and runs flawless [05:44] Yeah, I know, allot of folks think ya gonna be a rocket scientist .. it's really not that hard. [05:44] lol [05:44] Just look at the Raspberry Pi's those things are like gold .. and only 35 Bucks here. [05:45] nice n cheap [05:45] shoot, a 16GB mSD card costs 2/3 rds the price of the Pi .. LOL [05:45] lol lol [05:45] I bought a card for mine, was like 18 dollars, Pi was 35. [05:46] and it's a Quad Core 1Hgz ARM [05:46] 1Ghz ARMv7 [05:46] with snappy core, its gonna be even more intersting in the future [05:46] many brands will use ubuntu [05:46] It's impressive to say the least, Im runnign Lubuntu ( Debian Jessie + LXDE ) and it works great. [05:47] did you hear about ninja spere? [05:47] nice [05:47] Yeah, I just burned the Ubuntu Core image yesterday, I've not isntalled it yet, gonna check it out. [05:47] No, what' Ninja Sphere? [05:47] holdon [05:48] https://ninjablocks.com/ [05:49] its an inernet of things device running on snappy :p [05:49] That's pretty cool. Our Frig has a computer on the front of it, WiFI an All, the other half googl's cooking directions all the time, good ole Gordon Ramsey :-) [05:49] lol [05:50] ill nmap your frig and hack me an egg :p [05:50] dont tell I said this, but she can't cook at all .. but .. she tries, is all I ask :-) [05:50] if its good between the sheets, no worries :p:p [05:50] So I was OK with getting the more expensive Frig that told her how to cooks stuff .. LMAO [05:51] boil an egg once in a while yourself then [05:51] Shhet is one thing, Chow is another .. burn beans on toast suxs .. lol [05:51] haha [05:52] Actually, I do most of the cooking, one, she can't cook, and two, her mother never tough here how to clean, it's like a bimb goes off in the kitchen when she's done, I can't stand it. [05:52] bbl bye :D [05:52] like a bomb ... [05:52] ablest1980: laterz [05:52] CUL [05:52] lolz [05:53] Ok, I need a brew and to debug some code, so CUL after while. [05:53] ok cheers and tnx for the tips [08:02] somsip: welcome :p [08:02] ayup. I'm not as active as I have been as I just lurk and help while I work, but I'm usually around [08:02] no sweat mate, its not about whos' most active, just the quality of supporters :p [08:03] we always doing support, but never have a real change to talk to each other [08:03] this might give some changes [08:03] and I admit I vary depending on caffeine levels, but I try :) [08:03] ok - i'm here anyway [08:04] we also pretty coffee slaves/idlers ourselfs :p [09:00] http://news.softpedia.com/news/First-Ubuntu-Touch-Devel-Version-Based-on-Vivid-Is-Out-478430.shtml [10:07] Good afternoon. [12:52] Hiyas all [17:55] Hello All, as some may know, I'm working toward Ubuntu membership. ; I' have updated my Wiki page ( need typo / spelling checks still ) but if you have some spare time, could you take a look. If your familiar with my community activities, feel free to leave a comment. Feedback for improvement would be very much appreciated. Linky: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KI7MT [18:29] :-) [18:39] Thanks OerHeks .. and yes, that question did throw me off guard a bit :-) === \b is now known as benonsoftware