[00:26] <daftykins> EriC^^: granted i've just come home from the weekly pub quiz, thus some alcohol has been consumed, but what the hell is this josselin on about O_O
[00:27] <EriC^^> lol
[00:28] <EriC^^> beats me :D
[00:28] <daftykins> now i've gotta restart for Windows updates, but don't tell anyone else the game will be afoot...
[00:28] <EriC^^> hehe
[00:29] <EriC^^> ok
[00:30] <daftykins> done \o/
[00:30] <daftykins> SSDs are great
[00:30] <EriC^^> cool
[04:32] <uncleRoy> Evening ... anyone here?
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/No-Reboot-Patching-Comes-to-Ubuntu-15-10-via-Linux-Kernel-4-0-Says-Mark-Shuttleworth-478400.shtml
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> ablest1980: yes morning here
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> 7h
[05:01] <ablest1980> 1am
[05:01] <ablest1980> here
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> cool
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> ablest1980: how long do you support in #ubuntu?
[05:02] <ablest1980> today?
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> all time :p
[05:03] <ablest1980> since 14.04lts
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> cool, you running trusty yourself?
[05:03] <ablest1980> yes
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> me too, i like LTS
[05:03] <ablest1980> me too
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> ablest1980: im gonna start an ubuntu computer shop in my country soon
[05:04] <ablest1980> uk?
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> with only samsung 850 pro ssd's inside and trusty
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> belgium
[05:05] <ablest1980> cool
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> ill try to sell laptops, desktops, tablets and ubuntu phone
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> i think the mass public is ready for this
[05:06] <ablest1980> yes
[05:06] <ablest1980> wish you luck
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> ablest1980: thank you
[05:06] <ablest1980> np SD
[05:06] <ablest1980> XD
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> ablest1980: wich machine do you run trusty on
[05:06] <ablest1980> hp pavilion
[05:06] <ablest1980> notebook
[05:06] <ablest1980> g6
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> ablest1980: ah nice, do you know if HP sells barebone laptops?
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> i hear hp is really linux friendly
[05:07] <ki7mt> They are for sure
[05:07] <ablest1980> for me yes
[05:07] <ki7mt> There printers are really good with Linux.
[05:07] <ki7mt> Their ..
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> im looking for a barebone laptop company who can send laptops without Os and Hd's
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> ki7mt: yeah thats my plan also, only hp printer with that hplip tools installed
[05:08] <ki7mt> All of them would, given enough $$ on the table.
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> did you see those new HP pc monitors, their fantastic
[05:09] <ablest1980> lotuspsychje https://system76.com/
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> ablest1980: yeah i know them, pretty nice but rather expensive
[05:10] <ki7mt> From a business standpoint, I'd stay away from high turnover hardware, the cost really comes in with locking in a configuration HW wsie, and forcing them to stick to it for say 3-5yrs.
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> ki7mt: what you mean by high turnover
[05:11] <ki7mt> If your rolling with Ubuntu, 3yrs production, 3yrs maint, 4yr needs to be dev for next release .. adn that means HW continuity for them both.
[05:11] <ki7mt> Chipset changes can cause you nightmares, component turnover ..
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> yeah i dont want broadcom and atheros chipset for sure in my systems to sell
[05:12] <ki7mt> especially with a small operation, where your Marketing, Engineering, Manufacturing and Sales :-)
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> ki7mt: wich company would you choose in my case
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> its gonna be a small stire + service
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> store
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> i dont wanna sell 10 brands of different systems to clients neither
[05:13] <ki7mt> Me personally, I like HP for Servers, and well, may as well go all in with HP. Dell is pretty descent too though, Linux support wise, BUT I hate their NIC harware.
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> dell is really fast on ubuntu i noticed
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> what kind of NIC you dont like on dell?
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> i think ill contact HP soon :p
[05:15] <ablest1980> :)
[05:15] <ki7mt> Your gonna want a small business package, for like an ofice with say 10 to 20 people or something, Servers, Network, Desktops and Laptops .. small packages, not million dollar deals, but more of a turn key setup for a small new company.
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> its gonna be smaller
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> webshop+store at home+service
[05:16] <ki7mt> Dell was BCM, Im an Intel NIC fan all the way.
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> right
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> intel wifi is pretty decent for sure
[05:17] <ablest1980> my hp is amd
[05:17] <ki7mt> Yeah, I mean, if the local coffis shop want new boxes, Laptop and Desktops or something,. it's best if you can keep all the same vendors.
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> good idea
[05:18] <ki7mt> Makes you life easy, OEM support contracts easy warranty replacements easy .. all == EASY for you to manage.
[05:18] <ablest1980> i see dell alot
[05:18] <ki7mt> Yeah, there cheap, and they have good marketing too.
[05:18] <ki7mt> HP not the the cheapest, but cheapest isn't always the "bestest" :-)
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> true
[05:19] <ki7mt> You gonna want warranty support and service support .. thats where HO is really good.
[05:19] <ki7mt> HP no HO
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> im also gonna do transforming for customers: bring your w8 machine and ill put samsung ssd 850 pro+trusty inside
[05:20] <ki7mt> Carful with that though, SSD == USB3 ..
[05:20] <ki7mt> Older boxes may only have USB2
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> its gonna be system boost for sure
[05:20] <ki7mt> The again, you could always sell them a MB upgrade package :-)
[05:21] <ki7mt> MB, RAM and SSD 800 bucks, super fast PC
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> lol
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> well for 120 euro, you got already a nice ssd from samsung
[05:21] <ki7mt> they get to reuse their Box and PSU :-)
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> yes!
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> i got me an acer netbook + ubuntu 14.04.2 64bit + samsung evo 840
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> goes rocketfast
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> 5sec boot 3 sec halt
[05:22] <ki7mt> That's the Buiz I'd go after, Upgrade Buiz .. + Linux
[05:22] <ki7mt> then you cna Gaurentt 10x faster boots or whtever Marketing Blurb ya want to use.
[05:23] <ki7mt> Gaurentee ..
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> check this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRYGuM4ckN0
[05:24] <ki7mt> that drive here is about 80 bucks.
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> yeah im gonna use that for marketing trick for sure
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> resource your computer is my slogan
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> once they got LTS installed, they use their machines for years
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> no comming back to the pc store every month with virusses :p
[05:25] <ki7mt> yeah, so 100 buxk for MB, 100 bucks for SSD, and noew i5 100 bucks, Gross Margin ( Selling Price - Cost ) / Selling Price, your target needs to be 45-50% Gross Margin.
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> i can save money with the barebones, no pay for the Os and hd
[05:25] <ki7mt> So from there you can set you Sellign price for the Package.
[05:26] <ki7mt> Yeah, of course, but you gotta make money, and at some point, gotta pay yourself :-)
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> yeah sure, im gonna try to setup neat prices <+ benefit
[05:26] <ki7mt> Bare bones Laptops are not easy to get hold of, for the very reason your talking about.
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> BTO laptops.nl does it, but not very cheap neither
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> i hope i can make a deal with HP
[05:28] <ki7mt> Nope, they dont want them cheap ./. You may be better of, buy a minimal equipted box, stipping it out, upgrade it, then sell off the other stuff on Ebay or whtever.
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> or placing the existing hd into a case for storage for the customer
[05:29] <ki7mt> Yeah, your gonna need an edge somwhere as there's no way you can compete with their Marketing, Sales & Service.
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> but as you said, i dont wanna be the cheapest
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> i want stable + fast
[05:29] <ki7mt> I really loo hard at low-end i5 Laptops, and make sure I could upgrade them to what I wanted.
[05:30] <ki7mt> .. look hard ..
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> ok
[05:30] <ki7mt> if it will run an I5, it will run an i3 and i7 more than liekly, but it's the SSD cost, RAM upgrades and the like you need to look at.
[05:31] <ki7mt> Th thing is, with an SSD, you dont need an i7
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> yeah with 4 or 8gig ram + ssd 850 pro, it will do magic on the machine
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> true
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> too pricy for the end customer also
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> or maybe a gaming monster once in a while
[05:31] <ki7mt> Not unless your a developer of something where you max out CPU cycles allot.
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> steam gaming desktop
[05:32] <ki7mt> Thats more GPU than CPU
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> true
[05:32] <ki7mt> Then ya sell them your Deaktop Gamming Version for mo $$$
[05:32] <ki7mt> Desktop ..
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> the gaming part will be harder
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> as i have to convice them only use steam
[05:33] <ki7mt> Hook them with the work setup, real them in with Gamming and Dev Workstations.
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> i think: lowcost netbook, multimedia laptop,high end laptop
[05:33] <ki7mt> Real gamers know what they need, but that's not what sells, it's "what they want" is what sells, hard core gamers always over buy what they really need.
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> then mulitmedia dekstop, and high end gaming desktop
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> system76 makes difference with mulitmedia/business
[05:34] <ki7mt> they need 32GB ram, 2x SSD's i7's or Multi-CPU AMD's Nvidia Quadro's on and on an on
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> i wont do that
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> wanna keep it simple
[05:35] <ki7mt> lol that's smart
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> so sticking to i5 is good idea
[05:35] <ki7mt> I built allot of custom Water-Cooled boxes for Gamers, they stupid money on that crap. All so they can overclock it, and buy a new one next year when it frys
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> tnx for the hint
[05:36] <ki7mt> I thin i5 or really, i3 for a Laprop, then you get much better Batt Life, but i5 is a brand name seller for sure.
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> you know of those intel NUC's perform good on ubuntu?
[05:37] <ki7mt> it all depends. I mean really, most people use their laptop for surfing and social media, with Music and a few vid's thrown in for good measure, that dont take allot of CPU power.
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> might get a 'clean' feeling as house desktop with neat hp screen :p
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> small NUC on their table :p
[05:38] <ki7mt> I built several NUC's and alot of Mini-ITX boxed .. ~500 bucks out the door.
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> nice
[05:39] <ki7mt> I use i3 3.8Ghz 2 core ( not quad ) for the Mini-ITX boxes.
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> maybe ill use the cheapest NUC as lowend desktop
[05:39] <ki7mt> there really fast, and with amSATA or SSD, stupid fast.
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> yeah msata samsung 850 pro
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> will rocknroll
[05:40] <ki7mt> Checkinto the Mini-ITX i5 boards, 200 bucks, CPU and MB, add SSD, your at 300 bucks, Ram, 100 bucks, case 50 bucks, Ubuntu OS. Done.
[05:41] <ki7mt> al for 450 bucks. and lightening fast.
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> nice
[05:41] <ki7mt> and it will run ion your car with a 7" LCD display
[05:42] <ki7mt> in your car .. if ya got a AC plug that is
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> the store will make a new ubuntu life
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> with the BQ and meizu phone thats on the market
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> will be nice
[05:42] <ki7mt> Im gonna sell the Mini-ITX boxes to Ham radio guys, they love them
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> ill transform nexus7 as ubuntu touch tablets too
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> cool idea
[05:43] <ki7mt> i thought about that, but it's fiddly for me, Im better with normal boxes.
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> ki7mt: its really not hard to do, check the #ubuntu-touch topic to install
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> i bought me a nexus7 just for ubuntu
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> and runs flawless
[05:44] <ki7mt> Yeah, I know, allot of folks think ya gonna be a rocket scientist .. it's really not that hard.
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> lol
[05:44] <ki7mt> Just look at the Raspberry Pi's those things are like gold .. and only 35 Bucks here.
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> nice n cheap
[05:45] <ki7mt> shoot, a 16GB mSD card costs 2/3 rds the price of the Pi .. LOL
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> lol lol
[05:45] <ki7mt> I bought a card for mine, was like 18 dollars, Pi was 35.
[05:46] <ki7mt> and it's a Quad Core 1Hgz ARM
[05:46] <ki7mt> 1Ghz ARMv7
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> with snappy core, its gonna be even more intersting in the future
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> many brands will use ubuntu
[05:46] <ki7mt> It's impressive to say the least, Im runnign Lubuntu ( Debian Jessie + LXDE ) and it works great.
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> did you hear about ninja spere?
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> nice
[05:47] <ki7mt> Yeah, I just burned the Ubuntu Core image yesterday, I've not isntalled it yet, gonna check it out.
[05:47] <ki7mt> No, what' Ninja Sphere?
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> holdon
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> https://ninjablocks.com/
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> its an inernet of things device running on snappy :p
[05:49] <ki7mt> That's pretty cool. Our Frig has a computer on the front of it, WiFI an All, the other half googl's cooking directions all the time, good ole Gordon Ramsey :-)
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> lol
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> ill nmap your frig and hack me an egg :p
[05:50] <ki7mt> dont tell I said this, but she can't cook at all .. but .. she tries, is all I ask :-)
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> if its good between the sheets, no worries :p:p
[05:50] <ki7mt> So I was OK with getting the more expensive Frig that told her how to cooks stuff .. LMAO
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> boil an egg once in a while yourself then
[05:51] <ki7mt> Shhet is one thing, Chow is another .. burn beans on toast suxs .. lol
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> haha
[05:52] <ki7mt> Actually, I do most of the cooking, one, she can't cook, and two, her mother never tough here how to clean, it's like a bimb goes off in the kitchen when she's done, I can't stand it.
[05:52] <ablest1980> bbl bye :D
[05:52] <ki7mt> like a bomb ...
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> ablest1980: laterz
[05:52] <ki7mt> CUL
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> lolz
[05:53] <ki7mt> Ok, I need a brew and to debug some code, so CUL after while.
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> ok cheers and tnx for the tips
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> somsip: welcome :p
[08:02] <somsip> ayup. I'm not as active as I have been as I just lurk and help while I work, but I'm usually around
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> no sweat mate, its not about whos' most active, just the quality of supporters :p
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> we always doing support, but never have a real change to talk to each other
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> this might give some changes
[08:03] <somsip> and I admit I vary depending on caffeine levels, but I try :)
[08:03] <somsip> ok - i'm here anyway
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> we also pretty coffee slaves/idlers ourselfs :p
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/First-Ubuntu-Touch-Devel-Version-Based-on-Vivid-Is-Out-478430.shtml
[10:07] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[17:55] <ki7mt> Hello All, as some may know, I'm working toward Ubuntu membership.  ; I' have updated my Wiki page ( need typo / spelling checks still ) but if you have some spare time, could you take a look. If your familiar with my community activities,  feel free to leave a comment. Feedback for improvement would be very much appreciated. Linky: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KI7MT
[18:29] <OerHeks> :-)
[18:39] <ki7mt> Thanks OerHeks .. and yes, that question did throw me off guard a bit :-)