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Jamehello ?03:41
Jamewhich hero can help me about indicator?03:42
JameI want send a special indicator to Notifications panel03:43
Jamethe special indicator can show text/image and also can press button to do something03:44
Jame?? help me !!03:44
RAOFJame: What do you mean by a special indicator?03:48
RAOFIf you'd like to add another icon, I believe the answer is “no, you don't get to do that”.03:48
RAOFBut you'd be able to notify under the Notifications indicator.03:48
RAOFWhich presumably has an API for quick actions, as the Messaging app uses it for replies.03:49
JameI am Jame, I was forced to leave because of disconnection03:52
Jameso I can nnot receive03:53
RAOFJame: What do you mean by a special indicator?03:53
RAOFIf you'd like to add another icon, I believe the answer is “no, you don't get to do that”.03:53
RAOFBut you'd be able to notify under the Notifications indicator.03:53
RAOFWhich presumably has an API for quick actions, as the Messaging app uses it for replies.03:53
Jamedo you know the exact API in messaging-app?03:55
JameI can not find it03:55
RAOFJame: I believe you're looking for https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/platform/guides/push-notifications-client-guide/03:57
OrokuSakiSo... no support for CM-11.0 like SailFish?04:13
OrokuSakiHowdy ogra_: =)04:14
OrokuSakiI like the new kernel script by the way04:14
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JameHi RAOF: I have read https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/platform/guides/push-notifications-client-guide/, it's relative to network, but my requirement just in local device . so my direction still is the indicator!05:24
RAOFJame: Sorry, I don't know. I'd expect it to be possible, though.05:25
JameNow I need an example which can send indicator to the Notifications panel!05:32
JameIt is a bit difficult for me, because I am a beginner about Ubuntu Touch!05:33
Jameplease help me , hero !05:38
robin-heroHi all! Did the new OTA update release?06:22
nhainesNope!06:38
nhainesYou'll know when it does, becuase there will be a daily announcement in the Landing Team summary.  Also your phone will tell you there's an update.06:39
robin-heronhaines: But there was no landing e-mail yesterday.06:39
nhainesAnd likewise no OTA release.06:39
robin-heroBut it is in the OTA channel since 2 days: http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ota/06:40
nhainesThey're just making sure it doesn't cause phones to catch on fire and explode.06:40
nhainesThat's not the release channel.06:41
robin-heroahh :) i don't know that06:41
nhainesAnyway, OTA updates have to go through some kind of regulatory testing.06:41
nhainesThat *will* be the update log, if QA lab phones don't catch on fire. :)06:41
robin-hero:)06:42
robin-herojust strange there was no e-mail yesterday...06:42
nhainesIt happens sometimes when they're busy and nothing else is going on.06:42
nhainesBut yes, they're so reliable and dedicated that it always makes me look twice when it's missing too.  :)06:42
robin-hero:)06:45
robin-heroI saw a lot of times the following word: "Arale". Is it a codename for a device? For MX4? :) I questioned it earlier, but noone answered. :)06:46
Jamehero ? How to send indicator to the Notifications panel, like messaging, missed incoming call and so on07:06
JameAnyone familiar with messaging-app?07:22
robin-heroIs bq aquaris E4.5 supports FM Radio? Just the Ubuntu touch doesn't support it yet?07:23
Jameor indicator-messages-service ?07:23
Jameplease help me ?07:23
robin-heroJame: It is too early yet, developers will be here later.07:24
JameAbout how long ah?07:27
ogra_robin-hero, right, the bq has a chip but there is no platform support for FM radio currently07:30
robin-heroogra_: And its it WIP?07:30
ogra_it is on the TODO, not sure who works on it07:31
robin-herookay, it's and the navigation are what I miss in Ubuntu Touch :)07:32
ogra_there are a bunch of nice internet radio apps in the store for the time being07:36
ogra_(and yeah, navigation needs love, no doubt)07:36
robin-heroogra_: Any info about the OTA ? :) (I know I always asking this, but I am curoius :D )07:43
ogra_soon :)07:44
robin-heroi am none the wiser for it :D07:45
ogra_lol07:45
AskUbuntuCan Ubuntu Touch apps access bluetooth? Which policy groups do I need? | http://askubuntu.com/q/60949307:46
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ogra_i think it is at bq for the final QA run ... but i'm not sure07:46
robin-heroogra_: Thanks, so If everything goes well the update will release later today :)07:49
ogra_or tomorrow, yeah07:50
robin-hero:(07:50
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Microvolunteering Day! :-D08:48
robin-heromorning08:51
brunch875'gmorning!08:53
matv1anyone having experience with http POST using XMLHttpRequest in js within qml ?08:54
matv1its doing my head in :(08:54
lotuspsychjehttp://news.softpedia.com/news/First-Ubuntu-Touch-Devel-Version-Based-on-Vivid-Is-Out-478430.shtml09:00
ogra_hmm, a bit more research would have helped :P09:02
ogra_(it is the second vivid based devel image, the first one was in december)09:02
lotuspsychjelol09:02
robin-herofrom the article: "The development branch has been updated after a long time, but this is actually the second update in the series."09:03
ogra_yeah :)09:03
ogra_it is even quoted in the article09:03
lotuspsychjeand touch can be installed on nexus7 also09:04
matv1or can anyone point me to source of a qml app using that?09:09
AskUbuntuIs it possible to get ota updates after making system rw? | http://askubuntu.com/q/60951609:14
robin-heroHi! Can I make a backup from my SMS messages and restore on an other image (r20 to r22)?09:20
popeyrobin-hero: they're in a database in your home directory, so I suspect you probably can09:23
ogra_run find for "history-service" that should show you a .db file09:23
robin-hero"find for "history-service"" is this a command?09:26
ogra_a suggestion :)09:26
robin-herothanks :) I need to go now, I'll try to solve it :)09:28
seb128do we have a bug open about some icons being duplicated in the dash sometime?09:50
seb128I suspect that it's for pre-installed apps which also get updates through the store09:50
ogra_that shouldnt happen09:50
ogra_only if the app namespace changed and the developer didnt remove the old app from the store09:50
ogra_preinstalled apps should all come from the store with the same namespace, if they dont, thats an app bug09:51
seb128my vivid tablet ha a duplicate gallery09:52
ogra_thats surely a bug09:52
seb128duplicated music and twitter as well09:52
popeynever seen that!09:53
ogra_i have, but onyl with my own apps if i use two different namespaces for local testing09:54
popeyright09:54
popeyi mean, not under "normal" circumstances09:54
ogra_yeah09:54
seb128well, that n7 is a stock device that I use to test vivid09:56
PhilippePAfter inserting a SD card, how to say to the phone (bq) to use it ? global or per app settings ?09:57
ogra_PhilippeP, music, videos and documents that you put on the SD should just show up everywhere automatically, the system should just start to use it if it was properly formatted as vfat ... else you need to format it with the "external devices" tool first10:09
nik90ogra_: is there a way to detect a SD card storage point? At the moment all apps write to .local/share/app-name, or to .config/app-name10:10
ogra_nik90, no, not yet ...10:10
ogra_the camera app does something like that though ...10:10
ogra_but camera is also kind of special10:11
mcphailPhilippeP: you have to select "sd card for storage" from the camera app if you want to use that10:11
nik90well I know about app_armor permissions that one can add to the apparmor file to request access to any write location10:11
nik90I will check out the camera app code to see how they check sd card storage10:12
ogra_we dont have a storage framework in the platform api yet10:12
ogra_that is supposed to solve it10:12
ogra_i think camera does it directly, which is not an option for store apps10:12
PhilippePogra_:  ok , it's installed , recognized and reformatted ... I'll try put something on it and test10:12
ogra_PhilippeP, it should also show up via USB on your desktop in the file manager10:13
ogra_so you can drag/drop your music etc10:13
PhilippePmcphail: I've tried but the camera app does not show the SD option ...10:13
mcphailPhilippeP: drag up the menu from the bottom10:13
nothingspecialI have the boot loop thing on my bq. I have tried this http://askubuntu.com/questions/602035/how-do-i-use-ubuntu-device-flash-with-the-bq-aquaris-e4-5 but no joy. I get "Failed to enter Recovery" and the phone continues to boot loop.10:13
PhilippePmcphail: that's what I did (i found a screenshot ona askubuntu ... but the SD button does not show up10:14
Jamehello ? in indicator-messages-service, there is a line call indicator_messages_service_skeleton_new in the main function of the file src/messages-service.c. please where is10:14
Jamehello ? in indicator-messages-service, there is a line call indicator_messages_service_skeleton_new in the main function of the file src/messages-service.c. please where is from ?10:14
ogra_nothingspecial, did you use the --recovery-image option with the recovery.img file that is linked there ?10:14
nothingspecialyes10:15
ogra_and you had the device properly in bootloader mode and used --bootstrap ?10:15
nothingspecialogra_: yes I used --bootstrap, what do you mean properly in bootloader mode?10:16
JameI do not know where is indicator_messages_service_skeleton_new10:16
ogra_i mean that it wasnt in recovery but in the bootloader (which is a bit tricky to select with the volume keys as described in the article)10:16
mcphailPhilippeP: no idea then. Have you tried closing the camera app fully and reopening after inserting/formatting sd card?10:17
Jamewho can help me?10:17
ogra_Jame, #ubuntu-app-devcel is probably a better channel for such questions10:17
ogra_#ubuntu-app-devel10:17
nothingspecialogra_: it was in fastboot rather than recovery. Choosing recovery just starts the bootloop again10:17
Jamethanks10:18
ogra_did it show up in "fastboot devices" on the when it was in that mode ?10:18
ogra_*on the PC10:18
nothingspecialogra_: how do I check that? The phone did say stuff like "transfering" and stuff like that after running the flash10:19
klbikHi,  i`m trying to develop simple ubuntu application. This application should connect to remove mysql server, query and display data in UbuntuListView. Project was created in  Qt Creator 3.1.1 as QML app with c++ plugin (cmake). In my cpp class, i connect to mysql server using QSqlDatabase db = QSqlDatabase::addDatabase("QMYSQL"); according to qt documentation.  On my desktop (ubuntu 14.04) application works fine (after installi10:19
klbikto run this application on my aquaris E4.5 ubuntu edition i got this error:   QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL driver not loaded QSqlDatabase: available drivers: QSQLITE Open database:  false  Do yo have any ideas ?10:20
PhilippePmcphail: i will reboot the phone and continue after lunch  :) thanks anyway10:21
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PhilippeP_Lunchmcphail: the rebbot did the trick :) now lunch10:22
mcphailenjoy!10:22
toskyklbik: I'm not a Ubuntu touch developer, but it looks like the Qt version shipped with Ubuntu Touch lacks the Qt mysql driver10:23
* mcphail notes that should probably be a bug report10:23
ogra_PhilippeP_Lunch, ah, there is a bug open for that and i think a fix for it is in this weeks OTA image10:23
mcphail\o/10:23
ogra_tosky, for what reason would we run a database server on a phone ?10:23
ogra_or even waste space on disk for it10:24
toskyogra_: I was just stating what I saw; to answer your question, well, it depends on your definition of database...10:24
ogra_there is sqlite and U1DB support10:25
Elleoogra_: I think he wants to connect to a remote mysql server, not run one locally10:25
ogra_if you want to writre an app using the mysql driver, i guess you will have to ship it with the click package of the app10:25
toskyklbik: see what ogra_ says ^^10:26
* tosky is just the messenger10:26
toskyogra_: I guess it was already asked, but is there some support (or at least it's not forbidden) for inter-app shared libraries?10:27
ogra_Elleo, sure, but we cant ship each and every possible Ot extension by default ... i would love if we had a proper Terminal that i can embed in apps but would have to use the Terminal implementation that the terminal app ships if i would do that10:27
ogra_tosky, no, there isnt ... you app cant look over the fence and only has access to very few dirs on disk10:28
ogra_even sharing data between apps needs to go through a controlled system service10:28
ogra_(content-hub/url-dispatcher)10:28
toskyogra_: and it's not planned at all? I see it as a big blocker for porting some huge applications to the device10:28
tosky(again, I think this was for sure already asked)10:29
ogra_once the phone switches to snappy it will be possible to have framework packages10:29
toskysnappy?10:29
ogra_at the current state you would have to have the libs included in the platform api10:29
toskyoh, I see, snappy10:29
ogra_yes, snappy ... the future of ubuntu :)10:29
klbiktosky:  i`m reading it..10:30
ogra_what exactly do you plan to port/write ?10:31
toskyI guess it's too early to ask for a rough deadline (six months? One year)?10:31
ogra_closer to the latter i fear10:31
toskywell, I'm not planning right now to port, but I suspect many in the KDE community could look at the device10:31
toskywith Frameworks 5 we have tons of small libraries10:31
ogra_snappy completely relies on systemd ... the phone kernels we use are to old ... systemd dropped support for them in a recent update10:32
ogra_until that problem is solved, you wont see a snappy port ... and i'm not sure the framework idea will be included in the "normal" phone build, it would be throw-away work10:33
ogra_so for now you have to bundle your libs in the click package10:33
zbenjaminogra_: hey i currently upgraded my phone to the new devel-proposed image. It now has the 15.04 fw but apps using the framework will just close10:34
toskyyes, I understand, it would be a lot of throw-away work10:34
zbenjaminogra_: is there a known problem?10:34
ogra_zbenjamin, i'm not sure the 15.04 framework is already shipped, i think lool took care of that10:34
zbenjaminogra_: click framework list on the device shows it already10:35
ogra_file a bug then10:35
ogra_probably something is wrong10:35
zbenjaminogra_: whats the right place for that?10:35
ogra_(and let lool know)10:35
ogra_ubuntu-touch-meta for general framework stuff10:36
ogra_zbenjamin, did you check your app lo for errors btw  ?10:37
ogra_*log10:38
zbenjaminogra_: the log is not even created10:38
ogra_(perhaps it isnt actually framework related at all)10:38
ogra_oh, wow10:38
zbenjaminogra_: changing the fw back to 14.10 makes it work10:38
ogra_anythin in the ubuntu-app-launch log ?10:38
zbenjaminogra_: where is that again?10:38
ogra_~/.cache/upstart/10:38
ogra_hmm, or not :/10:40
zbenjaminogra_: hm something changed. it started to work oO10:41
ogra_lol10:41
zbenjaminlets see after a reboot10:42
zbenjaminogra_: interesting its failing again after the reboot10:45
EdwardMorbiusIs OTA-3 out yet?10:48
popeyEdwardMorbius: no.10:50
EdwardMorbiusok, I read on the mailing list something about Wednesday so I thought it might be out.10:51
AskUbuntuHow do I deploy an app to my Ubuntu phone with the Ubuntu SDK? | http://askubuntu.com/q/60954610:52
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zbenjaminogra_: weird the ubuntu-app-launch log seems to be nowhere oO10:59
AskUbuntuBuilding ubuntu touch app with sql (mysql) support problem | http://askubuntu.com/q/60955311:06
AskUbuntuBQ Aquaris E4.5 sound not working in web applications and mediaplayer | http://askubuntu.com/q/60955811:20
jgdxabeato, good day sir, any luck?11:24
Se7hellou11:58
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AskUbuntuAppArmor blocks XMLHttpRequest on phone qmlapp | http://askubuntu.com/q/60957112:02
abeatojgdx, completely forgot this morning, I'm gonna try now12:02
jgdxabeato, good s tuff12:02
nhainesHuh, I just tried to switch my Nexus 7 from devel-proposed to devel, but 'system-image-cli --list-channels' only shows devel-proposed.12:02
nhainesI wonder if this is an artifact of MultiROM Manager.12:03
jgdxNorwegians won at caffeine: http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2015#tech-caffeine12:03
jgdxAMA12:03
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abeatojgdx, cannot reproduce now, arale / vivid12:09
jgdxabeato, and I can't repro on krillin/vivid nor mako/vivid. I wonder if this was something beneath libqofono and Settings.12:09
jgdxofono or dbus or something12:09
jgdx(not likely)12:09
abeatojgdx, difficult to say... probably a race condition of some kind :-/12:10
abeatothe bad thing is that maybe it will reappear in the future12:10
abeatoprobably it depends on the start-up order of something12:10
jgdxabeato, actually, you used an image from 26th of January. 17th of February there was a small refactor of Settings's technology code (to make has3G work).12:21
abeatojgdx, ok, I guess that could have changed things12:22
jgdxabeato, that refactor included improved libqofono0.7 support. Libqofono0.7 landed 14th of January.12:22
jgdxso there was a month with suboptimal libqofono0.7 support. Could be it.12:23
abeatojgdx, I see... well maybe that fixed something... or maybe it juts hide the bug away ;)12:23
abeatojgdx, anyway as it is not reproducible now maybe you can change to invalid12:24
abeatowe can re-open if we see it again12:24
jgdxabeato, I'm cautiously going to say it was the former. Not to say libqofono broke API, but a lot changed 14th of January.12:24
jgdxabeato, roger12:24
abeatosure12:25
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zbenjaminted: where does ubuntu-app-launch put its logs these days?13:04
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chookeyHello Guys! Any news about today's OTA update?13:34
brunch875today?13:34
brunch875are we getting updates today?13:35
k1lupdates updates updates. who doesnt like updates :)13:36
ogra_geez ... kids ...13:36
brunch875ogra, give us candy13:37
ogra_updates are like a good wine ... let them ripen long enough ...13:37
popeythen smash them against a boat?13:38
ogra_only the sparkling ones13:38
brunch875hm... is the calendar bugged now?13:41
brunch875It doesn't sync with google anymore13:41
brunch875whoopety do https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/144293113:42
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1442931 in Ubuntu Calendar App "sync with google calendar not working" [Undecided,New]13:42
BOHverkilli was wondering why the music is not playing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1438486 ;)13:43
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1438486 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) " Turning off sound in Pathwind mutes other apps too " [Undecided,Confirmed]13:43
chookeybrunch875: I read it somewhere13:43
chookeydid it change?13:44
brunch875What did change?13:44
chookeythe OTA's release date13:44
brunch875it's all news for me13:44
chookeyI read this wednesday in an email13:45
brunch875If it's today I can't wait :))13:45
chookeylanding email: "Another good news is that we pushed our OTA-3 release candidate to the RC channel today. This still needs some testing both on our and BQ side, but at least krillin #270 passed our QA team's regression testing - which is good. The planned ETA for the OTA-3 official release is this week's Wednesday."13:45
brunch875oh, I've read that too13:45
brunch875but I skimmed through because I was enroute so I missed the last bit13:46
brunch875thought it was only RC stuff13:46
brunch875I can't wait to see the amount of stuff fixed.13:46
kenvandinedednick, see my latest comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/ubuntu-system-settings/1390136.laggy-backends/+merge/25339513:47
kenvandinedednick, i ran the CI job twice, same failure13:48
dednickkenvandine: ok. i'll take a look13:48
kenvandinebut other branches passed during the same timeframe13:48
kenvandinethe test that's failing might be misleading13:48
kenvandinedednick, thx13:48
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seb128pete-woods, hey, is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network-prompt still a thing/useful?13:49
pete-woodsseb128: no, it's a dead project13:49
seb128pete-woods, we should maybe ask for it to be removed from ubuntu then, it current fails to build13:50
seb128pete-woods, can you do that? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network-prompt/+filebug13:50
pete-woodsseb128: that sounds like a good idea13:50
seb128I can do the removal13:50
seb128just dump a 1 line reason for the recod13:50
seb128record13:50
seb128like "supersedeed by unity8 dialogs" or something13:51
pete-woodsseb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network-prompt/+bug/144448413:53
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1444484 in indicator-network-prompt (Ubuntu) "This is a dead project, it should be removed from the archive" [Undecided,New]13:53
seb128pete-woods, thanks13:53
seb128pete-woods, what about unity-voice? seems to have your name as well on it, if so can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/unity-voice/update-symbols-file/+merge/255941 ?13:54
pete-woodsseb128: that one's less clear. it provides the voice recognition for HUD13:54
BOHverkillmy bluetooth headphones are working on my bq :D13:54
pete-woodsbut you can't access that any more since we removed HUD from the phone13:54
seb128pete-woods, k, maybe just accept the .symbol update to fix the build then?13:55
pete-woodsseb128: that works for me13:55
seb128cool13:55
BOHverkillbut the controls are not working :(14:00
kenvandinedednick, i dunno, i looked at the numbers of passing tests and indeed it looks like all the tests ran, and all except that one test failed14:02
kenvandineand i struggle to see why your branch could cause that14:02
kenvandinebut that test did pass for other branches yesterday14:03
* kenvandine scratches head14:03
seb128pete-woods, thanks14:03
kenvandinejgdx, is ubuntu_system_settings.tests.test_datetime.TimeDateTestCase.test_tz_list_initially_empty the test that's commonly flaky?14:03
jgdxkenvandine, aye14:04
kenvandinethat same test keeps failing in dednick's branch, but not failing in some other branches14:04
kenvandinejgdx, dednick: i kicked another rebuild with hopes to see it pass14:06
kenvandinedednick, i think that is a known flaky test, so maybe it's just bad luck :)14:07
dednickkenvandine: ya. i didnt think it was related.14:07
dednickwill check on the build later.14:07
kenvandinethx, just don't waste time on it yet :)14:07
kenvandinedednick, i'll come yelling if you need to :)14:08
kenvandinemandel, ping again about those branches that need rebasing :)14:10
brunch875what the hell are the 'silos'?14:10
* kenvandine has his nag hat on today :)14:10
kenvandinejgdx, you're handling getting silo 6 unblocked for qa right?14:11
jgdxkenvandine, yes14:11
kenvandinecool14:11
jgdxkenvandine, wanted to ask you: does the security ap test suite mock the passcode/passphrase stuff?14:12
kenvandinefor sim pin? or the other locking?14:13
kenvandinei mocked the sim pin stuff, but no idea about screen locking14:13
jgdxkenvandine, got it14:15
seb128jgdx, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/security-focus-correct-entry/+merge/254804 rejected?!14:15
seb128jgdx, you could at least comment saying why14:16
loologra_: 15.04 frameworks are in archive/images, enabled in store, and I believe in SDK too14:16
jgdxseb128, sorry, added comment14:16
ogra_lool, hmm, ok ... somethin does not seem to work right though ... for zbenjamin14:17
seb128shrug14:17
seb128jgdx, you could ask for tests to be added rather than reject14:17
jgdxseb128, this is what you asked me?14:17
seb128jgdx, I don't understand why the branch is rejected14:17
jgdxseb128, because I'm proposing it instead. I thought you had no time.14:17
seb128jgdx, if we need tests that doesn't make that one invalid, it just means we need to stack another changeset or commit on top to add a test14:17
kenvandineset it back to needs fixing and comment14:18
zbenjaminlool: hi, apps don't start with th 15.04 fw14:18
seb128jgdx, yeah, I'm busy this week and travelling next, but you could keep the branch and mp a commit adding tests on top of that one14:18
jgdxseb128, and miss the window? why14:18
seb128what window?14:18
jgdxvivid14:18
seb128I don't understand how rejecting it makes a difference14:19
seb128do you want to reproduce another one with code change + a tesT?14:19
jgdxseb128, then it's not depending on you having time for it14:19
seb128well, it's not14:19
seb128as said you could have branched my vcs, added a test on top and proposed another mp adding the test stacked on mine14:20
seb128without rejecting14:20
seb128nor delaying14:20
loolzbenjamin: could you run them by hand on the device and see what's going on?14:20
loolzbenjamin: .cache/upstart might be where the logs are14:20
jgdxseb128, I'm fine either way, but this was the only way forward if you were on a train or at a conference14:20
seb128jgdx, anyway, not worth the discussion, sorry, the logic just seems weird to me14:20
seb128jgdx, I'm unsure to understand why, that one is already approved14:21
jgdxseb128, then qa rejected it14:21
seb128jgdx, you stacking something else on top doesn't rely on me being here14:21
seb128right, because it's incomplete/without test14:21
kenvandinejgdx, the branch adding the test could just prereq on seb128's branch14:21
jgdx… yes14:21
seb128what kenvandine says14:21
seb128anyway, it's a detail14:22
jgdxtwo commits that should be one?14:22
seb128sorry for the noise ;-)14:22
seb128why should they be one?14:22
seb128I wouldn't be shocked by those being 2 commits14:22
jgdxbecause they are :) It's a fix and then a test for said fix14:22
seb128k, fair enough14:23
zbenjaminlool: hmm what is the correct policy version for 15.04 fw?14:24
loolzbenjamin: I thought 1.214:24
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zbenjaminlool: ok then that is not the problem14:27
loolzbenjamin: so what do the log say?14:31
zbenjaminlool:  wait the aa policy might still be wrong. When i change it to 1.3 it starts to work. However what confused me was that  changing it back to 1.2 won't make it break again without rebooting the phone14:33
zbenjaminlool: is it possible that this value is cached somewhere?14:33
jgdxseb128, I'm compulsive, sorry about the noise!14:38
seb128jgdx, no worry, thanks for fixing it/writing the test14:38
jgdxseb128, do you have time to write the manual tests?15:30
seb128jgdx, I guess I can do that15:30
studio_hi15:33
jgdxseb128, here's your branch, which I stole, with tests :D https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/security-focus-correct-entry/+merge/25634515:36
jgdxdat sweet launchpad karma15:36
seb128jgdx, that test would fail on a device which is currently using swipe to unlock no?15:38
seb128no change password button in that case?15:38
jgdxseb128, I debated that, but when is that the case?15:39
jgdxseb128, I have code for that. Give me a sec.15:40
seb128jgdx, dunno, dev desktop with autologin?15:42
seb128jgdx, I'm unsure if it's a case happening atm in practice, but it could mean a flacky test and we have enough issues with those15:42
jgdxseb128, I tested that case, it won't say it's swipe15:42
seb128right15:43
seb128theorical issue then, but could be practical one day15:43
seb128like dev on your tablet15:43
jgdxseb128, yeah, agreed15:43
seb128which you configured to swipe unlock15:43
studio_who can help? i was able to build cifs- nfs- nfsd- and some other .ko for the bq e4.5. after i flashed the new kernel and loaded all modules, in the right order, dmesg showed me a lot errors with symbolic links. and after a reboot, i was hanging in a boot-loop. boot-loop is fixed for now. but cifs, nfs and nfsd are still not working :(15:44
jgdxseb128, have you been able to get a shell without setting a pass?15:45
jgdxI guess I could run autopilot tests from the terminal on the phone :p15:46
seb128jgdx, you can't adb with slide to unlock, but yeah you could run them locally from the device15:52
seb128jgdx, om26er, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlan/ubuntu-system-settings?action=diff&rev2=77&rev1=7615:52
seb128was there other changes that needed to be listed in there?15:52
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studio_is someone from bq here?16:02
jgdxseb128, I'm not able to run it locally, autopilot3-sandbox-run does not use xvfb16:02
jgdxand when the terminal is paused it stops the test16:03
seb128jgdx, I guess you could ssh to the device while it's in swipe to unlock16:04
jgdxseb128, you gotta love the ubuntu phone16:07
seb128jgdx, :-)16:07
jgdxseb128, so the test always sees passphrase. I'm not sure what's going on.16:07
popeystudio_: wassup?16:08
seb128jgdx, weird...16:08
jgdxseb128, indeed, but I'll add a case for it either way16:08
seb128jgdx, thanks16:08
mcphailIs anyone from the calculator app team here?16:12
studio_popey, i need a patch/diff for the E4.5 kernel my work to build just *.ko was not working.16:12
studio_i was able to build *.ko and load them, but dmesg do not like my work ...16:14
popeymcphail: rpadovani is16:16
om26erseb128, thats good, thanks16:16
popeymcphail: what's up?16:16
seb128om26er, thanks16:16
rpadovanimcphail, o/16:16
popeystudio_: bq don't build the kernel, we do.16:16
studio_?16:17
studio_i am confused ...16:17
studio_who made the git?16:17
mcphailpopey: rpadovani: just a wee usability bug. In portrait mode on the bq phone, the lower row of buttons are difficult to click because the UI registers a click on hte bottom drag-bar instead16:17
popeymcphail: can you file a bug please?16:18
mcphailpopey: yep16:18
rpadovanimcphail, that's indeed true. But I don't know how much we can do, we should work with bottom edge developer16:19
studio_popey, i was able to build all these modules and load them: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10827715/ but they are not working :(16:21
studio_symbolic links are wrong16:22
dobeystudio_: i guess you didn't build them correctly then, or something else is missing in your build16:22
studio_"or something else is missing in your build" yes, but what?16:23
popeywelcome to "building kernels for beginners" :)16:24
studio_:)16:24
popeymcphail: does this happen both ways round? i.e. left rotate and right rotate?16:24
brunch875popey: yes, it's the same problem sideways16:26
mcphailpopey: seems to be less of a problem in landscape mode but can still happen16:26
mcphailhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+bug/144456416:26
studio_popey, how to patch these mt-things in "~/aquaris-E4.5/mediatek/config/mt6582/autoconfig/kconfig/platform"?16:26
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1444564 in Ubuntu Calculator App "Calculator - Bottom row buttons difficult to select in portrait mode" [Undecided,New]16:26
popeythanks mcphail16:26
mcphailnp16:27
popeystudio_: no idea, I haven't compiled a kernel for 10 years16:27
studio_so who can help?16:27
studio_popey, "studio_: bq don't build the kernel, we do." who is "we"?16:29
beunostudio_, Canonical16:30
studio_Canonical made the git?16:30
ogra_no16:30
ogra_bq provides the git tree16:31
studio_no?16:31
dobeybq owns the repo16:31
ogra_canonical uses that same tree *inside* and android tree when we build the container tarball16:31
dobeyubuntu (canonical) compiles the kernel that is shipped in the device image, from source16:31
ogra_we never build akernel standalone ... like you do from that git repo16:31
brunch875mcphail, popey: I believe the issue itself is that the favourite drag isn't set to the bottom swipe gesture rather than being associated to where the 'favourite' tab is.16:32
brunch875On landscape mode it's nearly impossible to pull out the favourite tab; swiping will change between applications. Swiping from bottom (which should be the proper behaviour) does nothing when on landscape mode.16:32
dobeystudio_: did you not use 'make menuconfig' to re-configure the kernel and enable the modules you wanted?16:32
ogra_so nobody in canlonical has muc experience with that git repo16:32
ogra_(except for john-mcaleely, who did a test build with the defaults to verify it works)16:33
studio_dobey, i am talking about https://github.com/bq/aquaris-E4.5/tree/aquaris-E4.5-ubuntu-master16:33
john-mcaleelyogra_, it is the same build, so there's not huge difference16:33
john-mcaleelyand that repo emits the boot.img16:33
john-mcaleelyone day, I plan to switch to it as upstream (so I built it with that in mind)16:34
studio_make menuconfig is not working with that build-system, only in /kernel, but after changing i can't build a new kernel.16:34
dobeystudio_: no, you're complaining that your new modules arne't working16:34
mcphailbrunch875: i see what you mean. Hadn't tried to expand the favourites bar before :)16:35
john-mcaleelythe MTK build system is quite complex, and I, for one, don't understand it well :-)16:35
ogra_john-mcaleely, right, i just mean that most of us either build kernels the ubuntu way from a package or kernel.ubuntu.com git tree or inside an android build ... nobody actually uses the bq git tree at canonical16:35
studio_dobay, i expained that days before hot to buils *.ko16:35
studio_build16:35
john-mcaleelyogra_, your statement is true, but the 'in andriod build step'  the the one I document in that repo16:35
ogra_right16:35
john-mcaleely(is) is missin there16:35
studio_you need to modify the "project"16:35
dobeystudio_: if all you did was add a few CONFIG_ directives to the existing config file, you are almost certainly missing some things that using menuconfig would have also enabled if you'd chosen to build those modules via it16:36
studio_i gave up ... :(16:36
ogra_dobey, the prob is that make menuconfig doesnt work in that tree16:36
dobeyogra_: well no, but it works in an upstream kernel tree16:37
ogra_so he will never be able to get the dependencies in the config right16:37
dobeyogra_: so grab an upstream 3.4 kernel tree, make menuconfig in it, and examine what CONFIG_ options are required for the modules in question, and ensure you've added them all to the config for the bq kernel, then build it16:37
ogra_right, that would work16:37
ogra_but is quite some effort :)16:38
dobeywell, it's certainly not any more effort than asking people who don't work on the kernel, what config options are required, and never getting an answer you want16:38
dobeyrather, it seems the obvious solution to me :)16:38
dobeyit's unfortunate that menuconfig doens't work and the build system for the bq kernel is so complex and confusing, but there's not really anything we can do about that in this channel16:39
jgdxseb128, wanna take another look? https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/security-focus-correct-entry/+merge/25634516:41
jgdxseb128, that test will shrink once the security test suite implements the page object pattern. But that's not right now.16:42
seb128jgdx, k16:42
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cottonhi everyone :)16:51
popeyhello16:53
brunch875hihi!16:53
cottonWill ubuntu touch update fast? Wil i see great improvements on my bq soon? Thanks for reading me16:55
brunch875from what I know the update is coming today (:16:56
Se7really brunch875 ?16:56
brunch875source: mailing lists16:57
cottonbrunch875 Oooh really? :D16:57
cottonThanks for answering me16:57
Se7no update yet :(16:57
dobeyi think 'fast' depends somewhat on your internet connection and what version you're currently on. full images instead of deltas, take a bit longer to install16:57
brunch875landing email: "Another good news is that we pushed our OTA-3 release candidate to the RC channel today. This still needs some testing both on our and BQ side, but at least krillin #270 passed our QA team's regression testing - which is good. The planned ETA for the OTA-3 official release is this week's Wednesday."16:57
dobeyand download16:58
dobeyand it's mostly just bug fixes, no grand new features in it :)16:58
* Se7 waiting fot update17:00
jgdxseb128, no approve?17:06
seb128jgdx, I was waiting for the CI results17:06
jgdxack17:06
jgdxseb128, could you kick off a silo build if ci passes?17:09
jgdxI'm not back until later tonight17:10
sil2100brunch875, Se7: remember that this is an ETA, so there might be some delays here and there especially that it's now in BQ's hands ;)17:15
sil2100If their testing takes a bit longer than usually, well, the OTA might need to wait till tomorrow17:16
Se7tnx sil2100 no probs17:18
sil2100OTA-3 mostly has stability fixes though, OTA-4 will be a bigger update as we will be basically switching to vivid with all its goodies17:22
loolzbenjamin: it should be 1.3; could you try again now?17:25
loolzbenjamin: I think it's pulled by SDK from the store, it should be 1.3 everywhere now17:25
bzoltanzbenjamin:  where is it stored in the store?17:28
bzoltanlool:  ^17:29
brunch875sil2100: Was counting on that! Thanks for the info, though; it confirms my thoughts.17:36
loolbzoltan: with the list of frameworks17:43
bzoltanlool: here? https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/api/click-framework/17:45
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brunch875It seems like we'll get the update tomorrow :| BQ has probably turned off the lights for today, it's past 818:18
studio_ups, "ubuntu-touch/rc/ubuntu-developer" is looking nice! thanks for making this!18:26
studio_is ubuntu ui toolkit the desktop-manager?18:27
studio_hmm, it is still not supporting import contacts from the sim card ... why?18:35
dobeystudio_: you still aren't running vivid i guess18:36
dobeythe toolkit is the toolkit (ie, a bunch of qml widgets)18:36
studio_dobey, i was on vivid, but the "new one" got "nice tools"18:37
dobeyi don't know what that means18:37
studio_ubuntu ui toolkit18:38
dobeyafaik, sim contact support landed in vivid a while ago18:38
dobeyi know what the toolkit is. i don't know what you mean by "new one" or "nice tools" though18:38
studio_i haven't seen "ubuntu ui toolkit" on vivid18:39
studio_nor here18:39
dobeysure you have. all the apps are written using that toolkit18:40
studio_sorry, that app is new to me18:41
dobeyit isn't an app18:41
dobeythe toolkit is the toolkit18:41
studio_sure18:41
dobey*sigh*18:41
studio_it is an app18:41
dobeyno18:41
studio_it is listed under apps18:42
studio_if it is "now" listed now under apps it is not an app?18:43
studio_dobey, maybe i was blind, but i have never seen that icon before ...18:44
studio_dobey, are we talkig about the same thing?18:47
dobeyi have no idea what you are talking about18:48
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dobeystudio_: you mean "Ubuntu UI Toolkit Gallery" app?18:49
studio_an app, shown on apps, called "ubuntu ui toolkit". do you have taht on your device?18:49
dobeyno18:50
studio_aha!18:50
dobeythere is an "Ubuntu UI Toolkit Gallery" in the store though18:50
studio_no18:50
studio_i mean "ubuntu ui toolkit".18:50
zsombi_studio_: may I ask you what are you precisely looking for? An application?18:52
zsombi_studio_: ubuntu ui toolkit itself is a set of QML components, nothing else18:53
dobeystudio_: take a screenshot?18:53
studio_dobey, damnit, you was right! it called Ubuntu UI Toolkit Gallery, SORRY, my fault18:53
studio_but it was new to me18:54
zsombi_studio_: the app store has a "Ubuntu UI Toolkit Gallery" application which shows the widgets from the toolkit18:54
dobeyso i guess it is installed by default on that channel for some reason18:54
zsombi_ok, so we're good then :)18:54
dobeyof course i was right. you shouldn't doubt me :)18:54
zsombi_I never do :D18:55
davmor2dobey: I doubt you all the time :P18:55
zsombi_davmor2: shame on you :P18:55
dobeyheh18:56
zsombi_noone should doubt dobey ;)18:57
dobey:)18:57
dobeynow, where in this code was i18:57
davmor2zsombi_: I have to test his code, if I trusted him I wouldn't test it nearly as well, so I hate you all and attack your code with vengeful wrath to prove it :D  I'm then nice to you when I hand you the bugs reports ;)18:57
davmor2dobey: right about where the cursor is18:58
zsombi_LOL18:58
dobeydavmor2: right, but which emacs buffer :P19:00
zbenjaminlool: yep the problem was that it was using 1.2 instead of 1.3. Sadly there is currently no API that tells us what the right fw<->policy mapping is19:00
zbenjaminlool: the store just returns the list of available frameworks, could we introduce a field there that specifies the required policy?19:00
davmor2dobey: that one there :D19:01
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ulrichardHow can I install git on my new aquaris? This is what I get: $sudo apt-get install git   -> E: Package 'git' has no installation candidate20:32
beunoulrichard, git is git-core, right?20:33
ulrichardbeuno:  E: Package 'git-core' has no installation candidate20:33
beunooh, it is git20:34
ulrichardbeuno: I guess adding apt sources from the regular ubuntu repository is not such a good idea?20:34
beunonot sure then20:34
ulrichardI get the same for   tig, nmap, htop    .... seems to be a really incomplete repo.20:35
beunoulrichard, did you apt-get update?20:36
beunodid you enable developer mode?20:36
beunoit doesnt have a special repo20:36
ogra_rtm only has whats needed to roll the image20:36
ulrichardbeuno: yes I did update, but not dist-upgrade yet. But that souldn't matter here.20:37
ogra_beuno, well, it is a complete derivative distro :)20:37
beunoorly?20:37
ulrichardyes, developer mode is enabled, and root remounted as rw20:37
mindspin2015anybody in the mood to give a app-writing noob some hints?20:38
ulrichardogra_ : What is the worst that could happen if I add apt sources from the regular repo?20:38
ogra_ulrichard, you have to re-flash :) but you will have to do that anyway at some point if you enable rw and use apt20:38
ulrichardogra_ : So, would it be better to have a separate chroot with all the tools I need on the shell?20:39
ogra_ulrichard, yeah ...20:39
ogra_ulrichard, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily-preinstalled/current/vivid-preinstalled-core-armhf.tar.gz ...20:40
ogra_untar that in /home/phablet and you got a proper basic 15.04 chroot to start from20:40
ulrichardogra_ : ok thanks. I had something similar on my android. And I hoped I wouldn't have to do it that way on an ubuntu phone. Thanks anyway.20:41
ogra_ulrichard, well, the system is not realy designed for apt upgrades, they break at some point due to the underlying system design .. you can make the system writable and use debs, but only in a rather limited fashion ...20:42
ogra_and you risk that OTA upgrades break with makin the system rw20:43
ogra_the support for aptis more for 1) testing packages before they land on a device you re-flash regulary 2) developing system components on the plumbing layer20:43
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ulrichardogra_ : Is there a way to e.g.  introduce udev rules without making the / rw ?20:44
ogra_nope20:44
ogra_and an OTA would revert your changes if you make them to any existing file20:44
ogra_you can indeed add new files and only make the system temporary rw20:45
ogra_i.e. to add/change them20:45
ulrichardogra_ : Somewhere I read that once you switch to developer mode, you 'd go with dist-upgrades instead of OTA.20:45
ogra_no, dist-upgrades break20:46
ogra_the writability of the system is handled via a bind-mount farm into a writable partition ...20:46
dobeycreate a chroot and install any packages you actually need to use on the phone for some reason, inside it20:46
ogra_... dpkg uses hard links when it replaces files on disk20:46
ogra_... hard links do not work across partition boundaries20:47
ogra_so the packages are uninstalleble20:47
dobeymindspin2015: #ubuntu-app-devel might be the best place for that :)20:47
ulrichardogra_ : Ok, not what I was hoping for, but at least I have the infos now.20:49
mindspin2015dobey Its very silent there ;-)20:50
ogra_ulrichard, if it is just stuff like htop i wouldnt even bothe with a chroot, but grab the binary deb from the utopic archive, pull the binary out and dump it to ~/bin/20:50
dobeymindspin2015: scrollback shows plenty of activity. just ask your question though. don't ask to ask. "can someone help me?" doesn't tell anyone else anything :)20:51
dobeyogra_: i still don't get why one would really want to install git and such on a phone, unless they were creating a build farm of phones or something :)20:51
ulrichardogra_ : next thing would be python ...20:53
robcecwetwhere is the right place to report bugs for the YouTube webapp?20:53
ogra_dobey, because they can ;)20:53
dobeywell, it's not in the archive, so not really ;)20:53
ogra_well, th archive is a derivative of utopic20:53
dobeyi can go grab chrome and unpack it in ~/ too, but doesn't make it sensible20:53
dobeysure20:53
ogra_debs from ther will just work20:54
dobeyrobcecwet: whatever the "Support link" is in the app preview20:54
ogra_ulrichard, well, for that i would then go back to the chroot :)20:54
ogra_or use pypy or some such20:54
dobeywell, python is on the phone, but may not have the modules you need20:54
ogra_right20:55
dobeybut you can create a virtualenv or something in ~ easily enough for python20:55
ogra_the interpreter is there20:55
dobeyas long as you don't need any C/C++ modules to be compiled anyway20:55
ulrichardogra_ : I'll go with the chroot. Then I can just install whatever I need and don't have to find another solution for every tool I need.20:56
ogra_yeah20:56
ogra_ulrichard, do you actually plan to do development on the bq ?20:57
ulrichardogra_ : Usually I just want to have a full blown shell with all the tools I need at my disposal.  On my old phone I actually compiled parts of our CAD (c++) in the chroot, just to see how it performed.20:58
* ogra_ does that too, but only within the boundaries of the app framework .. which essentially means only QML ... 20:59
ogra_i.e. i dont compile on the phone ...20:59
ogra_and in the end the laptop you use to ssh in or use adb from, is more powerful than the phone itself ... even if you use a qemu-arm-chroot21:00
ulrichardogra_ : And I maintain my home dir in a git repository...21:00
ulrichardBut the notebook doesn't fit into my pocket. .-)21:01
ogra_ah, then i understand the desire for git :)21:01
ogra_well ... do you really do any serious stuff on a 4.5" touchscreen keyboard ?21:01
dobeyi wouldn't mix the home directory on the phone with the one on my workstation21:01
ulrichardI was pleasantly surprised that the tools required to use OpenPGP smartcard ssh auth are already installed.21:03
* ogra_ would have loved to drop all the adb stuff and do ssh only :) 21:03
ogra_but phone factories are set up for adb ... so we had to keep it21:04
ulrichardogra_ : I mean I plug my YubiKey into the phone and ssh into the server using the gpg key in the smartcard.21:05
dobeyogra_: that would indeed be nice21:05
ogra_dobey, i had the code ready for that ... when you plugged in USB it did set up an usb-net connection and fired up ssh ... but sadly we had to re-consider21:06
ulrichardAh, something else, are external keyboards generally not working?21:07
dobeyogra_: awesome. maybe we can get it in for W :)21:07
ogra_ulrichard, some BT keyboards are working .... but all BT focus was on audio for the initial release so there are only barely supported atm21:08
dobeyulrichard: usb otg is generally not supported. some things may work. some bt keyboards may work as well, but it can be hit & miss with those (i've had hit & miss with them on actual PCs and such too)21:08
ogra_*they are21:08
ogra_after all it is a phone, not a PC ...21:09
ogra_but a full yhackabble phone ;)21:09
BOHverkillwhat is the bast way to migrate contacts to the bq (w/ sync)?21:10
ogra_BOHverkill, the easiest way is for sure to import them into google and have the phone sync them from there ...21:10
BOHverkilland with out google?21:11
ogra_you can import vcf files iirc21:11
BOHverkillhow?21:12
ogra_the backend is syncevolution, all methods it supports for importing should work21:12
ogra_(from commandline though)21:12
dobeythere is no UI for importing vcf files21:12
ogra_right21:12
ogra_the only UI import is google currentlly21:12
BOHverkillwho needs an ui ;)21:12
dobeyyou can also import a vcf into evolution on ubuntu, and then just replace the contacts.db on the phone (which is what i did way back when)21:13
ogra_there was a thread on the ML about vcf importing21:13
ulrichardogra_ : What do you thing about this: http://notyetthere.org/syncing-ubuntu-touch-with-owncloud-or-any-carddav-server/21:13
BOHverkillogra_: ML?21:13
ogra_ulrichard, well, i usuall ytrsut mzanetti and his coding/hacking skills :)21:13
dobeysomeone was working on an owncloud app21:13
ogra_BOHverkill, mailing list21:13
dobeybut i don't know if it's gotten anywhere21:13
BOHverkilloh21:13
mzanettithanks ogra_ :)21:14
ogra_:)21:14
BOHverkilldobey: where is the contacts.db?21:15
ogra_ulrichard, there is also  http://mitchellreese.id.au/owncloud-sync-on-ubuntu-touch/ ... that hit the mailing list today21:15
ogra_BOHverkill, https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg12058.html21:16
dobeyBOHverkill: ~/.local/share/evolution/adddressbook/system/contacts.db is the default on the phone21:16
BOHverkillthx21:16
ulrichardogra_ : Thanks for the link. I'll have a closer look tomorrow. Too tired now.21:17
ogra_enjoy the phone :)21:17
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dobeyBOHverkill: i imported into a new addressbook in evolution, so it was a different directory with a bunch of numbers and my computer's hostname, instead of "system"21:17
BOHverkillk21:17
BOHverkilli will try it tomorrow21:18
ulrichardI just tried three different BT Keyboards (2x logitech 1x adafruit). How are the chances one of them is going to work with the next upgrade?21:18
ogra_i dont think we did change much in the bluetooth area for this one ... but the next OTA will switch to vivid21:19
ogra_there the situation should be better21:19
ogra_so another 4-6 weeks21:19
ogra_(the current OTA will be released this week (hopefully))21:20
ulrichardOk, I'll try again then.21:21
ogra_ulrichard, i know that mzanetti worked with some BT keyboards ... but i think onlly on the nexus devices ... probably he ca give you a pointer to working ones21:21
ulrichardogra_ : It's not that important that I would buy another keyboard. But it would be nice to have one day.21:22
* ogra_ wonders if his keyboard missing keys is a good excuse for a new XPS13 :P21:22
dobeyogra_: 3200x1800 is a good enough excuse for a new one :)21:23
ogra_ulrichard, well, effectively we work towards the "your phone becomes a desktop" vision ... so the BT kbd support will definitely get better over time21:23
ogra_dobey, ha !21:23
ulrichardogra_ : Yeah I also want a new XPS13, but I wait until I can pay with BitCoin in Switzerland.21:23
ogra_because the franken is to valuable ?21:24
cwayneogra_, I just ordered one :P21:24
ogra_lol21:24
ogra_i'm still pondering ...21:24
BOHverkillare there changelogs for the OTAs?21:24
dobeyi almost ordered one today21:24
ogra_my old one is theoretically still good21:24
dobeybut it wouldn't be here before my sprint :-/21:24
ogra_BOHverkill, i think sil2100 is assembling one21:24
BOHverkillk21:25
ogra_or at least something that comes close to a changelog21:25
BOHverkill;)21:25
dobeymy old one is definitely still good. i barely use it, and i just re-installed it last week even21:25
sil2100BOHverkill, ogra_: yeah, we have something similar but well, less detailed... we'll have something better soon though21:25
ogra_i use mine every day (like now) ... its my living room computer at home21:25
cwaynedobey, mine won't be here in time either :(  and I actually *need* one21:26
BOHverkillsil2100: k i love changelogs ;)21:26
ogra_for traveling i'd certainly like some more battery ...21:26
cwaynemy current xps does this fun thing where it won't charge :(21:26
cwayneso it only works while plugged now21:26
dobeyoh fun :(21:26
ogra_cwayne, in time for the sprint ?21:26
ulrichardMy old XPS13 was stolen last month. I loved it. Now I'm on an X60.21:26
sil2100Currently what I'm doing is generating a commitlog of all changes that happened in the OTA - it has info what packages changed and what landings happened, so it has some descriptions of changes21:26
dobeycwayne: btw, do you use rtm-proposed on your phone, or what?21:26
ogra_dobey, you dont ?21:27
sil2100Soon it will also include changelog information for each upload, so it'll be more verbose for people that are interested in the details21:27
cwaynedobey, on the n5 yea21:27
dobeyogra_: i do, but i'm having a problem with untappd :)21:27
ogra_ah21:27
cwaynedobey, even with the latest update in the store?21:27
cwayne1.0.9 i think21:27
dobeycwayne: different problem now. i was able to log on. but when i tried to attach a photo to the check-in using the camera, it would just crash and i'd lose the photo. if i took a picture and then tried to attach from the gallery, it would reload the page for the beer as soon as i selected the picture21:28
dobeycwayne: so wondering if you are seeing the same thing21:29
dobeythough sergiusens seems to not have a problem attaching pictures. they just don't have a brasilian beach in the background this week21:30
cwaynedobey, oh, i just check in from the scope, haven't tried from the webapp21:31
dobeyoh i forgot you added that to the scope. but you can't attach pictures with that can you? i just always use the app. i'm not really big on scopes myself21:33
cwaynenah you cant attach pics, but i never did anyway21:35
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dobeyah. i usually don't either. somtimes the promotional glasses are worth it though21:36
dobeynever had a problem before. maybe it's kenvandine's fault21:36
leonmortibahello @ all21:40
leonmortibai installed ubuntu touch on my nexus 521:42
leonmortibathis is a great system21:42
leonmortibabut21:42
leonmortibai missing a jabber client with otr (like conversations on android), a voip client (like linphone with ostn support), tor, and a e-mail client with pgp21:44
leonmortibai missed caldav and carddav support. at home i have a baikal server21:45
ogra_i fear you have to learn app development or wait then ...21:49
ogra_caldav/carddav syncing might work via commandline ... the backend is just evolution-data-server ...21:50
dobeyxmpp will probably come in the messaging app when the UI design for it gets updated to be suitable for things like IM. telepathy is already used as the backend for the SMS support (via telepathy-ofono), so the basics are pretty much there. just needs proper UI, integration, and confinement support21:55
dobeyand i'm sure DanChapman wouldn't mind more help with dekko to get gpg/pkcs working well there21:56
ogra_yeah ...21:58
k1lwasnt there "some place" where the most wanted apps were written down?22:04
ogra_we call that store :)22:04
dobeysomebody made a google spreadsheet for that22:04
k1lmaybe that spreadsheet should get somewhat promoted to get more appmakers on that?22:05
ogra_mhall119, ^^22:05
dobeyhttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tBafX2PovPFeEF2cxSQsBM1kvUAfIZ-PddecF4HircU/edit#gid=022:06
dobeybut that seems more like mostly system feature requests22:06
k1li saw something that named popular android apps etc. and suggested them to be ported22:07
AskUbuntuCannot allocate memory when trying to create instance of ubuntu-emulator | http://askubuntu.com/q/60977522:10
ogra_i think sturmflut-work did a blogpost with a list once22:10
Dragonkeepergps looks like its kind of working now , but its so inaccurate22:10
leonmortibai think ubuntu touch is a good base for a secure mobilephone22:11
ogra_leonmortiba, we think so too :)22:11
leonmortibaogra_: i only use jabber with otr at android22:12
Dragonkeeper@heres ya jabber , you can jab people with that@22:12
ogra_well, like dobey said above, XMPP support might come to the messaging app22:13
ogra_so you can use jabber right from there22:13
leonmortibabut without otr22:13
dobeythere is otr support for telepathy22:14
dobeyso it could probably be implemented there sa well22:14
k1lhttps://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/touch/2015/02/15/ubuntu-touch-app-wishlist/22:14
Dragonkeeperogra_: id like to see a SDR app xD22:14
k1lthat was it, yes22:14
ogra_Dragonkeeper, write it then :)22:14
Dragonkeeperit22:14
dobeythere are so many things that aren't even on that list22:16
dobeyanyway, i am really gone now22:21
k1la promoted list could attract some developers and motivate to do some work. but on the other hand it could be used to show what is still lacking :/22:22
Dragonkeeperhow do i get bq phone to use ubuntu 15 ?22:32
loolbeuno: 21:00 < zbenjamin> lool: the store just returns the list of available frameworks, could we introduce a field there that specifies the required policy?22:38
loolbeuno: would you think the person who developed the framework API for the store could expose the policy version too?22:39
beunolool, sure can, in exchange for a bug against lp:software-center-agent22:49
loolbeuno: thanks22:56
loolzbenjamin: mind filing this as a request in lp:software-center-agent? I could file it, but then you wouldn't get notified when it closes22:56
mhall119ogra_: I have no idea what spreadsheet that might be22:58
Dragonkeeperwhat video formats does  UT support >?23:16
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