[00:12] <daftykins> i see that strange fellow Chunkz has been highlighting me for no reason
[00:12] <daftykins> always a shame with nutjobs run free online :(
[00:13] <zmoylan-pi> the price we pay for free networks
[00:15] <diddledan> daftykins: I have no idea what he has against you
[00:15] <diddledan> daftykins: I asked him what he meant but he just quit instead of replying
[00:16] <daftykins> *nod* clearly harbouring a grudge about the alleged Kodi conversation from a prior time
[00:16] <daftykins> not to worry!
[00:16] <daftykins> how are we all doing?
[00:16] <daftykins> i'm just in from pub quiz night
[00:17] <diddledan> good good ta
[00:18] <daftykins> excellent!
[00:18] <daftykins> and zmoylan-pi? i spy you in the corner there!
[00:18] <daftykins> despite my post-ride-home wonky eyes
[00:18] <daftykins> :D
[00:18] <shauno> riding makes your eyes wonky?
[00:19] <diddledan> no the booze prior to the ride makes his eyes wonky
[00:19] <diddledan> :-p
[00:19] <shauno> surely daftykins wouldn't drive & drive!
[00:19] <diddledan> isn't there a law about drunk in charge of a bicycle?
[00:19] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[00:19] <diddledan> shauno: try that sentence again! :-p
[00:20] <daftykins> diddledan: probably, but i don't know it - so i'm safe ;D
[00:20] <daftykins> i even recorded part of my ride home
[00:20] <diddledan> lol
[00:20] <daftykins> but it ended up being 600MB in 1080p 0o
[00:20] <diddledan> ouch
[00:20] <diddledan> that's a lot of emm bees
[00:21] <daftykins> sure is
[00:21] <diddledan> (I hate that foreigners say "emm bee" instead of MegaBytews
[00:21] <daftykins> still uploading to the box of dropping, too
[00:21] <daftykins> do they really?
[00:21] <daftykins> what about French with their megaoctets
[00:21] <shauno> there is a law about it, yes :p
[00:21] <diddledan> the french are actually sort of sensible
[00:21] <shauno> I like octets!
[00:21] <daftykins> shauno: ah well we won't worry about that, likely Guernsey hasn't cottoned onto it
[00:21] <diddledan> it's the indian subcontinent that's the problem
[00:22] <daftykins> though as it goes in the tail portion of my video i notice a police van followed by a police car doing the rounds
[00:22] <shauno> I don't like that bytes have nothing to do with words anymore.  it seems illogical to me that a 64bit machine uses 8bit bytes!
[00:22] <diddledan> eh?
[00:22] <shauno> so I like megaoctet, because it makes clear they're just measuring chunks of 8, regardless of the platforms wordiness
[00:22] <diddledan> aren't all bytes 8-bit?
[00:23] <shauno> I don't believe they always have been.  it just kinda settled into a convention at some point
[00:23] <zmoylan-pi> or lots of nibbles
[00:23] <diddledan> a nibble is 4bits
[00:23] <daftykins> i remember answering a pub quiz question about a nibble being 4 bits?
[00:23] <daftykins> that was up in Portsmouth though, when i was masquerading as a mainlander
[00:23] <diddledan> you whart?!
[00:24] <diddledan> bloomin' foreigners
[00:24] <diddledan> coming here, answering our quizzes
[00:24] <diddledan> how very dare they!
[00:24] <daftykins> :D
[00:25] <daftykins> best part was i tagged onto a group of ex school teachers who won every week practically
[00:25] <diddledan> I saw "school" and immediately pre-read the next word as "girls"
[00:27] <daftykins> how have you not been banned yet XD
[00:28] <diddledan> lol
[00:28] <diddledan> I'm not sure on that front :-p
[00:28] <zmoylan-pi> they see how ugly diddledan is and take pity? :-P
[00:28] <shauno> that's why he only comes out at night
[00:28] <diddledan> :-D
[00:30] <diddledan> where's tamworth?>
[00:30]  * diddledan goes to teh googs
[00:31] <daftykins> south west?
[00:31] <diddledan> close, birmingham
[00:31] <daftykins> lol
[00:32] <daftykins> can you tell i'm foreign yet?
[00:32] <diddledan> a parcel just left there at 17minutes past the hour
[00:32] <diddledan> it's due for arrival before noon according to UPS
[00:32] <daftykins> \o/
[00:32] <diddledan> UPS tracking is awesome
[00:33] <diddledan> is a shame they don't do live gps
[00:33] <diddledan> that would be awesome
[00:33] <diddledan> allo knightwise
[00:33] <ali1234> it would totally be possible
[00:33] <diddledan> indeed
[00:33] <diddledan> they already have the data internally IIRC
[00:33] <ali1234> but people would probably use it to rob the vans
[00:34] <diddledan> good point
[00:34] <ali1234> yeah they absolutely have the data
[00:35] <shauno> you can stalk DPD pretty well, and they don't seem to have any issues with it ?
[00:35] <ali1234> only on the final leg though
[00:36] <diddledan> I'm expecting the package to be coming down the M40 to london/slough area
[00:36] <diddledan> maybe M6
[00:37] <diddledan> then M1
[00:37] <diddledan> so either M40 or M1
[00:37] <daftykins> i've heard it's no fun up the M1
[00:37] <diddledan> aye
[00:37] <diddledan> the A1M is pretty painful, too
[00:38] <daftykins> o0
[00:38] <daftykins> wussat?
[00:38] <diddledan> it's a motorwayification of the A1
[00:39] <diddledan> is only a short bit of road before you leave the motorway-rules
[00:39] <diddledan> but it clogs up
[00:39] <diddledan> I last went on it to get to letchworth
[00:40] <diddledan> there was an accident
[00:40] <diddledan> helechopper and everything
[00:46] <daftykins> :/
[01:05] <diddledan> looks like my server just did it's nightly updates
[01:07] <daftykins> auto reboot? 0o
[01:07] <diddledan> yup
[01:07] <daftykins> what OS is that?
[01:07] <diddledan> unattended-upgrades in ubuntu
[01:08] <daftykins> ah i see
[01:08] <daftykins> i chose no to a 14.04 but am kinda sad that i don't even get told there are updates now
[01:08] <daftykins> i'll need to work out how to change that after the fact
[01:09] <shauno> seems kernel patching hit the mainline kernel now?  perhaps that won't last much longer :)
[01:09] <diddledan> yup
[01:10] <diddledan> annoyingly ubuntu seems to require a reboot for anything remotely central, despite being able to restart the service affected
[01:11] <diddledan> e.g. libc won't update without a reboot, so even if the kernel gets patches live you still need to reboot for stuff ontop of the kernel
[01:11] <daftykins> i did wonder if you seasoned veterans had some way of switching to a newer kernel without a restart
[01:11] <daftykins> i thought someone claimed that was a thing once
[01:12] <ali1234> it's called ksplice
[01:12] <shauno> there was ksplice a few years back, but I think someone bought it and burried it
[01:12] <diddledan> there's kexec which can swap out the kernel without actually forcing the hardware to reset but otherwise there's the proprietary ksplice as ali1234 says
[01:12] <diddledan> shauno: oracle
[01:12] <ali1234> kexec is a mess
[01:12] <ali1234> pretty much guaranteed to never work :(
[01:12] <diddledan> ali1234: yeah
[01:13] <ali1234> the kernel nearly always expects the hardware to be in the reset state
[01:13] <shauno> glibc I can understand though.  so many things link to it, that replacing it live is almost as heady as the kernel
[01:13] <diddledan> yup, it runs through a shutdown sequence as normal but instead of killing the cpu for a reboot it just swaps the kernel
[01:13] <ali1234> yes but nobody ever writes proper shutdown and startup code
[01:13] <diddledan> and then runs through a complete reinit
[01:14] <shauno> otherwise "restart every process that uses libc" and "reboot" really don't seem so different
[01:14] <ali1234> they rely on the hardware being in a known state because you have power cycled
[01:14] <ali1234> this is why kexec never works properly on arm boards, for example
[01:14] <diddledan> shauno: it seems that any library which has more than one user will require a reboot tho
[01:15] <diddledan> the ubuntu or debian devs seem to liberally apply the "must reboot" flag
[01:15] <diddledan> on desktop if X gets updated they tell you that you NEED to reboot
[01:16] <shauno> I guess it's just a bunch of trade-offs that you find yourself disagreeing on
[01:16] <diddledan> despite beingable to kill X and restart it
[01:16] <shauno> eg, the mess when everyone upgraded openssl but didn't restart any of the processes linked to it
[01:16] <diddledan> yeah well that's just bad admin
[01:17] <shauno> hence the trade-offs.  more and more distros presume a bad admin :)
[01:17] <diddledan> it's turning into windows tho
[01:17] <diddledan> for years we've highlighted the lack of reboots as a feature
[01:17] <ali1234> welcome to six years ago
[01:18] <diddledan> now we can't do that
[01:18] <daftykins> XD
[01:18] <daftykins> ubuntu slowly trashed that since i started for sure
[01:18] <shauno> I've never been convinced that lack of reboots is a feature though
[01:18] <ali1234> it's even less important these days
[01:18] <shauno> uptime posturing has always boiled down to people boasting about how long they've been running a known-vulnerable kernel for
[01:19] <daftykins> when you really look at who cares about uptime, it is essentially kids on IRC + forums, right? :)
[01:19] <diddledan> daftykins: yeah
[01:19] <diddledan> email sign-off with an uptime or some image on a forum that pulls a live uptime every time it's loaded
[01:19] <diddledan> and then there's IRC /exec uptime
[01:20] <shauno> well, I think anyone who actually should care about uptime, ends up having a bunch of nodes that don't care about uptime, stuffed behind haproxy?
[01:20] <shauno> so "their uptime" and "each machine's uptime" aren't the same thing
[01:20] <ali1234> right
[01:20] <ali1234> "the cloud"
[01:20] <diddledan> "someone else's computer" :-p
[01:20] <daftykins> :D
[01:20] <ali1234> if your service is only running on one machine you are doing it wrong
[01:21] <shauno> it doesn't need to be someone else's :)
[01:21] <diddledan> shauno: it does if you're gonna call it "teh clouds"
[01:22] <ali1234> again, only if you are trapped in six years ago
[01:22] <shauno> it's just the same thing we've done since before it was cool.  you don't have one dns server.  you rarely have one mx.  the service is bigger than the machines
[01:22] <diddledan> aye
[01:22] <diddledan> the problem is now it has a name other than HA
[01:22] <shauno> clouds and HA aren't the same thing :)
[01:23] <ali1234> to me, "the cloud" means all the old redundancy tricks, except now with virtual machines
[01:23] <shauno> I think there's some new tricks in there too
[01:23] <ali1234> maybe a few
[01:24] <diddledan> blob storage is a fairly modern concept
[01:24] <shauno> scalability has changed a lot, with chef/ansible/whatever.  "we need more of foo" turns into a very automated process.  even one that doesn't require a person to decide
[01:25] <ali1234> yes, but that's all the benefits of virtualization
[01:25] <shauno> I mean, now it can be your load balancer that decides that it doesn't have enough workers and spins some more up
[01:25] <ali1234> the only reason it was hard before was because someone had to buy a new computer and then set it up
[01:26] <shauno> the other really weird one is being able to deploy to more than one cloud.  so you can have x availability in house, and if you reach it, you spin more up on amazon
[01:26] <shauno> I know that's just VMs too, but it does lend some genuinely new tricks
[01:28] <shauno> (burst scaling is fun too.  you don't need to be big enough for your busiest day, just an average day.  if you have one day a year that's crazy, you can spin up nodes for that day only)
[01:28] <daftykins> who remembers this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAr8LmiTxCA
[01:28] <daftykins> Byker Grove!
[01:29] <shauno> I thought they outlawed that
[01:32] <diddledan> there's some amazing fashion there
[01:34] <daftykins> XD
[01:34] <daftykins> must require coats 24/7 up norf
[01:34] <daftykins> i was just saying to a mate from across the pond that i wouldn't mind checking out the north!
[01:34] <daftykins> part of me doesn't 100% believe that people speak like that
[01:35] <shauno> oh you poor innocent soul
[01:35] <daftykins> :D
[01:35] <daftykins> i'm as southern as they come, almost
[01:35] <daftykins> Jersey is a bit further
[01:36] <shauno> look up bobby thompson on youtube
[01:37] <daftykins> seems i'd have more chance with Rab C Nesbitt
[01:37] <daftykins> and even then it's not a sure thing
[01:37] <diddledan> I can't understand a thing in rab c nesbit
[01:38] <daftykins> same here
[01:38] <shauno> bobby sounds a whole lot like one of my uncles.  he's my go-to when I have to explain why I don't always understand him
[01:38] <daftykins> i'd just find my dad giggling away to it on the TV most days
[01:40] <daftykins> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdA26Bl0EEA
[01:40] <daftykins> i don't get _any_ relevant part
[01:41] <ali1234> really?
[01:42] <shauno> might not help that a lot of the jokes are quite dated too
[01:43] <daftykins> well i've always had issues with hearing speech y'see
[01:43] <daftykins> might not help that my cat is currently asleep blocking the laptop speakers
[01:43] <daftykins> head in the crook of my elbow
[01:43] <daftykins> :D
[01:44] <shauno> that said, if you want a laugh, turn the auto-subtitles on ;)
[01:45] <ali1234> i think a lot of what he is saying is deliberate gibberish and that's the joke
[01:46] <daftykins> oh :( well that's not funny then!
[01:46] <shauno> really?  there's 2 or 3 bits where he wanders off into mumbles, but most of it seems fine
[01:51] <daftykins> disk porn! https://www.dropbox.com/s/00bzkubbvat9hgx/IMG_20150413_190602.jpg?dl=0
[01:51] <daftykins> had to swap those over the other day, so many screws!
[01:52] <diddledan> only 32 screws :-p
[01:52] <daftykins> still :P
[01:52] <diddledan> teehee
[01:52] <daftykins> also had to remove 5 years of dust from the enclosures
[01:52] <diddledan> yeek
[01:53] <daftykins> :D
[01:54] <daftykins> what's weird, is i rsync'd the old array to new... created the same group + users
[01:54] <daftykins> and yet i'm still seeing file permission issues on the Windows clients =/
[01:56] <diddledan> maybe samba?
[01:57] <daftykins> well, in some places it seemed to bring over folders but not +x the folders which was odd
[01:57] <daftykins> i had no idea how i'd recursively add +x to both user+group for folders in a tree only, so i just nuked it and let the client PC copy over again
[01:58] <diddledan> chmod +X /path
[01:58] <diddledan> -R
[01:58] <diddledan> chmod -R +X /path
[01:58] <diddledan> -R is recursive
[01:58] <diddledan> +X is execute on folders only
[01:58] <daftykins> o rly
[01:58] <daftykins> hrmm
[01:59] <daftykins> well, until i get an example of what they can't do i'm at a loss as to what's not working
[01:59] <diddledan> so you can chmod -R +rX /path to add read and folder-execute
[01:59] <daftykins> it seems on the old setup i had a create rule on the samba share to set everything as 0770, which i relaxed to 0660 this time - but i don't think it's working
[02:00] <daftykins> that sounds like it wouldn't hurt to run across the whole path
[02:00] <daftykins> both their users are members of the group, as well as mine, so all 3 of us should be able to mess about with things for the most part
[02:00] <diddledan> if you only want it on user and group (not world) then use ug+rX
[02:00] <daftykins> ho-hum
[02:00] <daftykins> *nod*
[02:01] <diddledan> so: chmod -R ug+rX /foo
[02:01] <shauno> huh, now this I never knew.  I just find -type f & -type d
[02:01] <diddledan> shauno: yup
[02:02] <diddledan> shauno: I used to use that too
[02:03] <shauno> oh nice, the +X thing is in bsd's chmod too.  even better
[02:04] <diddledan> \o/
[02:04] <diddledan> rock on tommy!
[02:04] <daftykins> oh dear the hour hand is pointing at the 3
[02:05] <diddledan> eep
[02:06] <shauno> I've already given up on that one.  I work at 6.  now I don't trust myself to wake up in time
[02:07] <daftykins> see i can sleep, but i'm a bit too good at it
[02:07] <shauno> right.  I apparently need more practice at the whole waking-up-on-demand bit
[02:07] <diddledan> I'm awesome at turning off the alarm in my sleep
[02:08] <daftykins> i was only ever good at waking up on time if i knew i had a flight to catch
[02:08] <daftykins> diddledan: haha, truly unconscious silencing?
[02:09] <diddledan> more waking up just enough to figure out the kill switch and then asleep again immediately
[02:09] <daftykins> yeah i do that :(
[02:09] <daftykins> i actually have 3 alarms back to back, most days i don't even remember 3 going off
[02:10] <shauno> touchscreens have helped with that.  they take to random flailing quite well
[02:10] <diddledan> see,I'd just do it three times and still be asleep
[02:10] <daftykins> yeah i do exactly that :<
[02:10] <diddledan> I'd be most annoyed at having to do it three times, however!
[02:10] <daftykins> have you guys just found forgiving employers that are ok with x hours put in whenever you can?
[02:10] <shauno> the only trick I've found actually reliable though, is I also set 3 alarms.  quarter to 5, 5, and then 5:30 ..
[02:10] <diddledan> it'll be a case of "widdle off I'm asleep dammit!"
[02:11] <shauno> but set the 5:30 alarm to be my ringtone.  for some reason that throws my brain into a blind panic
[02:11] <diddledan> lol
[02:11] <shauno> I can sleep through 3 alarms, and then wake up when they call me to find out where I am
[02:11] <diddledan> "boss is phoning!"
[02:11] <daftykins> XD
[02:11] <shauno> exactly!
[02:11] <daftykins> erk!
[02:12] <shauno> so I co-opted that trained panic into waking me up before he does
[02:12] <diddledan> lol
[02:12] <daftykins> cunning
[02:12] <daftykins> see i think this very conversation would have made my brain cotton on
[02:13] <daftykins> so upon 5:30am it'd be like "heh, silly past me trying to trick sleepy me"
[02:13] <shauno> I've read that setting multiple alarms is actually counterproductive though
[02:13] <diddledan> you think "oh the next one will get me"
[02:14] <shauno> right.  your trained response is that the alarm matters less.  the next one matters.  but if you're not awake enough to keep track, you're doomed
[02:14] <daftykins> hehe
[02:14] <daftykins> that's very true, i don't recall which one it is at any point
[02:15] <diddledan> I think volume matters, too
[02:15] <diddledan> and having neighbours that'll moan
[02:15] <daftykins> and location? i have mine within arms reach of asleep
[02:15] <daftykins> which is likely a mistake
[02:15] <diddledan> yeah I do that too
[02:17] <shauno> anyway, timers on my Hue lights seem to really help with this
[02:17] <shauno> the first alarm goes off just to mess with me.  the second alarm is joined by my bedroom light coming on full with a blue tint that almost hurts
[02:18] <daftykins> lights with colours O_O
[02:18] <diddledan> automated lights no less
[02:18] <diddledan> voodoo I tell ya!
[02:19] <shauno> it's not so much coloured, more variations on off-white
[02:19] <daftykins> surely Ireland doesn't have this technology?!
[02:19] <shauno> (it can do coloured, I found it to be quite useless.  different whites are neat though)
[02:19] <shauno> awww is north france getting jealou?
[02:19] <daftykins> :O
[02:19] <daftykins> yes :(
[02:20] <diddledan> jelly belly!
[02:20] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/933m716t9zjw293/BF4.mp4?dl=0
[02:20] <daftykins> pew pew pew
[02:20] <daftykins> there's me Monday night
[02:21] <daftykins> despatching shauno and his lights *whistle*
[02:21] <daftykins> :D
[02:21] <daftykins> oh my word, cat breath
[02:21] <daftykins> oh that's strong.
[02:22] <diddledan> yey?
[02:22] <shauno> that ... looks nothing like minecraft
[02:22] <daftykins> i do not craft mines, no
[02:22] <diddledan> it's minecraft 3d
[02:22] <daftykins> much to one of those friends dismay
[02:23] <diddledan> or minecraft real-d
[02:23] <shauno> I've never really been into shooters at all. whenever I see them it's just like .. holy familyfriendly, people do this for fun?
[02:23] <daftykins> i mostly gave in to buying this one to join those two mates playing it
[02:24] <daftykins> went from terrible to not too bad, now
[02:24] <diddledan> my experience of shooters is hearing the chainsaw on doom and running like a scared rabbit
[02:24] <daftykins> :D
[02:24] <daftykins> i used to love the way doom games didn't clear up the bodies, so a single room would just be littered
[02:25] <shauno> see, doom & quake don't count :)
[02:25] <daftykins> shauno: i bet it would horrify older generations who saw combat
[02:25] <shauno> but I think the more they try to be realistic, the less interested I am
[02:26] <shauno> I mean, I was playing yar's revenge this evening.  I like games to feel like games
[02:26] <shauno> if I wanted reality I wouldn't be living on the internet
[02:27] <daftykins> that makes me think of Tasha Yar
[02:30] <Azelphur> don't suppose there are any Irish folks here that mind doing me a real quick favour? :)
[02:31] <daftykins> shauno's close enough :D
[02:31] <Azelphur> Haha
[02:32] <shauno> que?
[02:32] <Azelphur> Basically I just want someone to call +353-1-4361726 and tell me if it's still up, it's a PSTN gateway
[02:32] <shauno> this is definitely a machine and not someone who's annoyed you?
[02:32] <Azelphur> should be a computer that answers and asks you to enter a VOIP number
[02:32] <daftykins> XD
[02:33] <daftykins> he's going to kick off a worm that brings down CTU
[02:33] <Azelphur> shauno, it's definitely a machine (at least, it should be, it's a very old number)
[02:33] <daftykins> i've seen this one in 24
[02:33] <Azelphur> haha
[02:33] <Azelphur> it's one of the sipbroker PSTN gateways, but sipbrokers website is down (and for god knows how long) I got it from archive.org, so I'm wondering if it's working or not
[02:33] <shauno> fast tones, it's not in service
[02:33] <Azelphur> awh :(
[02:34] <Azelphur> 0766-020026 is also listed under ireland, is that a mobile number or something?
[02:35] <shauno> I'm not sure what that is.  it shouldn't exist?
[02:35] <diddledan> that's a uk number
[02:35] <Azelphur> really? I'm gonna try dialing that then lol
[02:35] <Azelphur> see what happens
[02:35] <diddledan> no wait
[02:35] <diddledan> maybe it's one digit short
[02:35] <daftykins> ^
[02:36] <daftykins> yeah the UK numbers i had during Uni time were one more digit on the area code bit
[02:36] <shauno> it looks about the right length, if you assume that it's now 01766
[02:36] <daftykins> like 07716 for O2
[02:36] <diddledan> it might be a really old mobile number - some mobiles were one digit short back in the 90s
[02:36] <Azelphur> it answered but that one has definitely been shut down
[02:36] <Azelphur> shame, no break in for Ireland then, oh well, thanks shauno :)
[02:37] <shauno> irish cells are all 08...
[02:37] <Azelphur> for those that don't know, they are basically computers that have a local phone number and will forward your call to a VOIP line, so you can call a VOIP line from essentially anywhere using a break in
[02:37] <shauno> just so you know not to 'test' those at 3:30am  lol
[02:37] <shauno> oh hold up
[02:38] <diddledan> ?
[02:38] <Azelphur> really handy if someone is going abroad since they can essentially call my mobile as if it were a local call using a breakin :))
[02:38] <shauno> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dialling_codes_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland#Other_codes
[02:38] <shauno> apparently 076 in RoI is "IP-based numbering".  whoever she is when she's at home
[02:38] <Azelphur> shauno, makes sense since it's a VOIP service
[02:39] <shauno> yeah, just didn't think of that because 07... is always north-west, and there's not 6 places up there lol
[02:39] <Azelphur> http://web.archive.org/web/20150212074031/http://www.sipbroker.com/sipbroker/action/pstnNumbers is the site with all the fancy numbers :)
[02:39] <shauno> okay, 076 602 0026 gives me same fast tones
[02:40] <diddledan> surely if sipbroker doens't exist then their numbers won't either?
[02:40] <shauno> (when it just goes 'boop boop boop' and hangs up)
[02:40] <shauno> we don't get the same apologetic lady BT has
[02:41] <diddledan> blueface still have a website
[02:41] <Azelphur> diddledan, yea seems that way, looks like all the UK numbers are down
[02:41] <Azelphur> such a shame, was a really really useful service
[02:41] <diddledan> oh wiat
[02:41] <diddledan> that's still via the wayback machine
[02:41] <Azelphur> diddledan, nah I checked, they are still up
[02:41] <daftykins> surely skype functions via a similar method to give low rate calls 0o
[02:42] <Azelphur> just guess sipbroker is gone
[02:42] <Azelphur> daftykins, yea but people can't call your Skype for free / local call
[02:42] <daftykins> *nod* i've never tried getting a skype in number, not sure on the fees
[02:42] <Azelphur> scenario being, gf going to Ireland on short notice, wanted to give her an Irish breakin so she can call me
[02:42] <daftykins> it's kinda neat being able to text one way
[02:43] <Azelphur> hehe yea
[02:43] <Azelphur> been there done that
[02:43] <shauno> I was just about to say, I'd throw up a skype-in number for a month, then kill it again
[02:43] <Azelphur> yea may be my best option
[02:43] <diddledan> http://www.blueface.ie/helpandadvice/useful-numbers.php#access
[02:43] <Azelphur> good thinking
[02:43] <shauno> although do look into whether it's actually worth it
[02:44] <Azelphur> diddledan, yea, no breakin
[02:44] <shauno> on my mobile, it isn't.  if I'm in the UK and I call a UK number, I get charged an international call (ie->uk) and international roaming because I'm not at home
[02:45] <daftykins> same here
[02:45] <Azelphur> yea
[02:45] <daftykins> we pick up PAYG SIMs to handle England :P
[02:46] <diddledan> skype ftw
[02:46] <shauno> so an irish number might not work out best for her.  she'll still get stung, just twice instead of once  lol
[02:46] <diddledan> unless she can find a payphone :-p
[02:46] <shauno> lol .. good luck with that
[02:46] <Azelphur> ^ or she is staying with family so just use their phone
[02:46] <shauno> ah
[02:48] <shauno> skype's maybe your best bet then, depending on what her parents have :)
[02:48] <Azelphur> I used to use it for my game server people to call me too
[02:48] <Azelphur> since anyone anywhere could call me as a local call, shame
[02:48] <Azelphur> At least sipgate is still up so UK people can call my mobile as if it were a landline :p
[02:49] <shauno> but no-one has landlines anymore.  they only care about whether you're in the same network as them or not :)
[02:49] <Azelphur> hehe
[02:49] <daftykins> the boss seems to enjoy being on O2 for London usage now instead of Vodafone
[02:49] <daftykins> says it's a lot better
[02:49] <shauno> that's one I really wish the EU would hurry up and roflstomp.  they keep threatening to
[02:50] <daftykins> so Vodafone must've really dropped the ball
[02:50] <shauno> I've had a e1300 bill for roaming before.  it's daft.
[02:51] <Azelphur> I love three for roaming, I'm in USA right now and I can do whatever I want for nothing
[02:51] <daftykins> O_O
[02:51] <daftykins> are you on some mental contract though?
[02:51] <Azelphur> nope, £12.60/mo
[02:52] <Azelphur> http://www.three.co.uk/Discover/Phones/Feel_At_Home
[02:53] <daftykins> hrmm
[02:54] <daftykins> that might actually beat O2 for the boss' given business travel usage
[02:54] <shauno> we don't seem to have that here
[02:55] <shauno> "three like home" here gives you 2gb of data when you're roaming, as long as it's somewhere that also has 3
[02:55] <shauno> which is basically nowhere useful
[02:55] <shauno> austria, denmark, hong kong, italy, sweden, uk
[02:55] <shauno> anywhere else it's 25 cents per mb
[02:56] <Azelphur> hehe
[02:56] <shauno> (inside the eu.  or 5eur/mb outside the eu)
[02:56] <Azelphur> but yea I'm using mine all the time here in USA, I even made a call in Switzerland on the way
[02:56] <Azelphur> feel at home is awesome
[02:57] <daftykins> Azelphur: i looked up your cheap CPU comparison but down here in VAT free land the difference is quite low :(
[02:58] <shauno> I'm kinda bummed that 3 bought out O2 here, because 3.ie is kinda terrible
[02:58] <diddledan> shauno: I believe they did in the uk too
[02:58] <Azelphur> daftykins, cpu comparison?
[02:58] <daftykins> Azelphur: the US vs. UK price
[02:58] <Azelphur> oh the CPU I posted ages ago
[02:59] <daftykins> ja
[02:59] <daftykins> i was always under the impression they are pretty pants in the UK due to their walled garden interwebs, though maybe that was years ago
[02:59] <daftykins> (3)
[02:59] <Azelphur> nah no walled garden afaik
[02:59] <shauno> heh, they still have "planet 3" here
[03:00] <shauno> it seems to be a weak version of yahoo, that happens to sell ringtones and java games, but doesn't count towards your data usage
[03:01] <diddledan> shauno: https://vine.co/v/euEpIVegiIx
[03:01] <diddledan> that's the stage 1 killing the barge
[03:01] <shauno> I really want to see the next few seconds.  why on earth do they think vine is suitable for this?!
[03:02] <diddledan> no idea
[03:02] <diddledan> I don't actually know what vine is supposed to be
[03:02] <shauno> as far as I can tell, instagram in video for people with ADD
[03:03] <diddledan> I don't get why they can't youtube it
[03:03] <shauno> because that's not social enough.  that's not where the all-important 12yo demographic is these days
[03:04] <diddledan> and what's the point in looping 3 seconds of video?
[03:04] <shauno> (and yes, that statement is almost as ludicrous as it is realistic.  it's depressing)
[03:04] <daftykins> vine is a thing that shouldn't exist to my mind
[03:04] <diddledan> I guess it's a gif?
[03:04] <daftykins> what problem does it solve? :(
[03:18] <shauno> 4am and mother decides she wants to chat.  people just assume I'm awake now :/
[03:19] <daftykins> how is she up at this hour too 0o
[03:20] <shauno> she's in the US
[03:20] <daftykins> crikey!
[04:20] <shauno> I just noticed on that vine link.  is "Just Read The Instructions" the name of the ship?!
[04:24] <shauno> and man, /r/alienblue is getting hilarious.  ever since reddit bought it, the only things it's gained are a new appid (so if you paid for it previously, it doesn't count anymore), and a 'bug' that displays 'sponsored posts' way more often than intended
[05:01] <knightwise> morning
[05:22] <diddledan> wow. it seems googley shiny causes windwos 10 to grind to a halt
[05:23] <diddledan> specifically when googley stainless-steel is open it can cause the entire system to enter IO/wait (it appears)
[05:38] <mappps> hi alll
[05:38] <mappps> morning;]
[05:46] <diddledan> allo mappps
[05:52] <mappps> time for me to watch silicon valley series 2 ep1
[05:52] <mappps> quite a funny series..you seen it?
[05:52] <mappps> :)
[05:52] <diddledan> I think I saw one
[06:01] <mappps> its good;)
[06:14] <knightwise> anyone installed telegram via the command line yet ?
[06:14]  * diddledan signals with some morse code
[06:17] <knightwise> ...---...
[06:19] <diddledan> I prefer candygrams
[06:19] <diddledan> "candygram for mongo"
[06:20] <diddledan> https://youtu.be/P8ciVBQixpU
[06:28] <mappps> isnt telegram the secure im app
[06:29] <mappps> i thought it was for phones?
[06:38] <knightwise> yep , but it also works on the command line
[06:48] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:51] <knightwise> hey MooDoo
[07:01] <MooDoo> howdy
[07:47] <MooDoo> it's a bit quiet here lol
[07:52] <diplo> MORNING!
[07:52] <diddledan> morning
[07:52] <diplo> :)
[07:53] <diplo> knightwise: yeah I have
[07:53] <diplo> Trying to integrate it into Nagios :)
[07:53] <diddledan> diplo: nagios?
[07:54] <diddledan> diplo: how would you integrate telegram with nagios?
[07:54] <diddledan> oh for alerts?
[07:54] <diplo> yah
[07:55] <diplo> On particular customers using telegram-cli :)
[07:55] <diplo> Sorta got it working
[07:55] <diplo> Better than SMS, biggest issue is it's a daemon
[08:21] <knightwise> i just need a way to install it on my raspberry pi
[08:21] <diddledan> PI!
[08:21] <diddledan> mmpie
[08:21] <diddledan> (I created a function called "mmpie" in something recently
[08:21] <diddledan> (a website)
[08:22] <diddledan> specifically it was a sass/scss mixin
[08:22] <diddledan> @extend %mmpie
[08:23] <diplo> knightwise: telegram ?
[08:24] <foobarry> Dear Sir/Madam,
[08:24] <foobarry> Can you recommend a new main frame for me?
[08:24] <foobarry> The requirement for the main frame is as follow:
[08:24] <foobarry> price below 500 GBP processor must be at least i5
[08:24] <diddledan> err
[08:24] <foobarry> :D
[08:24] <diddledan> foobarry: is that legit?
[08:24] <foobarry> yes
[08:25] <diddledan> yeesh
[08:25] <awilkins> That person sounds like they are from a different era
[08:26] <foobarry> and country
[08:26] <foobarry> and universe
[08:26] <awilkins> knightwise, What do you want to install on your Pi?
[08:26] <knightwise> i run all mu commend line apps from the pi
[08:26] <diddledan> main frame as opposed to mainframe is an interesting comparison to investigate
[08:27] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Sell them an analogue computer.
[08:27] <shauno> I have a wee script called mmmpi!
[08:27] <diddledan> shauno: \o/
[08:27] <diplo> knightwise: https://github.com/vysheng/tg
[08:27] <diddledan> I wonder where my parcel is
[08:28] <shauno> it's nifty.  it does a broadcast ping6 on my ethernet port, then tries to ssh to the reply it didn't recognise
[08:28] <diddledan> lol
[08:28] <shauno> so pi>eth->laptop, run mmmpi and you're in :)
[08:28] <foobarry> something about sunshine makes me hungry and happy
[08:29] <awilkins> shauno, That's a cool idea
[08:29] <awilkins> Would you mind sticking that up on a gist?
[08:29] <diddledan> "hey everyone, who's there? oh, who are you.. let me ssh-in and see what you're up to!"
[08:29] <shauno> it'd be even neater if raspbian didn't disable ipv6 by default
[08:29] <awilkins> Oh
[08:29] <awilkins> Hah, doesn't fix the no.1 use case for it, sshing a new Pi
[08:29] <shauno> right
[08:30] <awilkins> You just have to know that it by default spangs a particular IP address
[08:30] <diddledan> shauno: can't you do a v4 version?
[08:30] <awilkins> v4 won't work as well because of address masking?
[08:30] <diddledan> o_O
[08:31]  * awilkins doesn't actually know
[08:31] <shauno> http://pastebin.com/x1dRW8k9  (may contain macisms)
[08:31] <awilkins> I had to fiddle around setting addresses manually to get a Pi / ethernet port setup working
[08:31] <diddledan> the pi should auto configure an autoip when dhcp fails
[08:31] <diddledan> (169.x.x.x?)
[08:32] <diddledan> I forget the range they use
[08:32] <shauno> also, may contain ugly :|
[08:32] <foobarry> 169.254.
[08:32] <diddledan> it's a standard mechanism
[08:32] <diddledan> well done, foobarry
[08:32] <foobarry> i hat ethat range
[08:32] <foobarry> it means something is wrong :(
[08:33] <awilkins> Which range does a wired ethernet port on Ubuntu select when it has no DHCP then
[08:33] <awilkins> (don't know)
[08:33] <foobarry> when DHCP is set and it can't find the server?
[08:33] <shauno> that's why I like v6 link-local addresses.  if it worked, they have a link local address & a routed address.  if it didn't work, they still have a link-local address
[08:33] <diddledan> awilkins: 169.254.x.x
[08:34] <awilkins> So... it should work IPv4 then
[08:34] <diddledan> it eitheruses that range or just dies
[08:34] <diddledan> I haven't tried ubunut's network-manager in such a scenario
[08:35] <diddledan> oo boon oot :-p
[08:35] <diddledan> grr @ noisy people outside
[08:37] <diddledan> hmm, wonder what they're up to - they gota sign with the virginmedia logo and they're cutting a long hole in  the road
[08:37] <Laney> some kind of grinding going on here too
[08:38] <diddledan> looks like they have a roll of fibre on the truck
[08:38] <shauno> they're fixing your ssh :)
[08:38] <diddledan> lol
[08:39] <diddledan> maybe they're gonna give me OMGLIGHTSPEED
[08:40] <Laney> he's angle grinding some railing
[08:40]  * Laney shuts the window :(
[08:41] <diddledan> my blokes are doing that to the road
[08:42] <diddledan> two grinders are running
[08:42] <foobarry> perfect weather for it
[08:42] <foobarry> wait for the 10am irn bru break
[08:44] <diddledan> they'll only have been working for 30 minutes
[08:44] <foobarry> soudns about right
[08:45] <shauno> you can get irn bru in amazingstoke?
[08:45] <foobarry> you can even get tizer
[08:45] <shauno> is it in the world foods section in tesco?
[08:45] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:46] <foobarry> is it called iron brew, or irn bru. i mean how should a southerner call it
[08:46] <davmor2> diddledan: 2 grinders 8 of you 1 of me I make that pims o'clock
[08:46] <diddledan> there's 8 of me?!
[08:47] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Microvolunteering Day! :-D
[08:48] <diddledan> micro volunteering?
[08:48] <davmor2> diddledan: you are the 1 me
[08:48] <davmor2> diddledan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xnfudWQqf0
[08:49] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:50] <davmor2> diddledan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSvov8TVFgk or this one
[08:52] <davmor2> diddledan: or this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk4ekuVVs94
[08:52] <davmor2> popey: will like the last one
[08:58] <popey> MooDoo: happy birthday
[09:31] <MooDoo> popey: thank you :)
[09:32] <awilkins> Dammit, Windows just ate half of the hour I had to work on something. Even after I gave it an extra virtual CPU! Ungrateful cur....
[09:34] <bashrc_> Windows is high maintenance
[09:36] <zmoylan-pi> i'm a big fan of how you can't use your windows system while it does updates unlike proper oses
[09:36] <foobarry> especially when you boot out of windows to linux for a meeting
[09:36] <foobarry> and the laptop is unusuable for the whole meeting because updates
[09:36] <zmoylan-pi> 1 of 117 updates...
[09:37]  * bashrc_ is glad he doesn't use Windows
[09:38] <zmoylan-pi> see the german team that got relegated due to updates? http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/03/german-pro-basketball-team-relegated-to-lower-division-due-to-windows-update/
[09:38] <awilkins> I am, alas, forced to use Windows because everyone else does
[09:38] <awilkins> Yeah, I saw that story
[09:38] <foobarry> i only have windows for vmware reasons
[09:38] <foobarry> vsphereclientOS
[09:38] <awilkins> I use VirtualBox
[09:39] <foobarry> last had windows on my work desktop pre 2000
[09:39] <awilkins> I keep it around for i) Games and ii) Compatibility with MS OFfice and our webconferencing software
[09:39] <awilkins> Our webconferencing software keeps pretending they'll support Linux soon.
[09:39] <foobarry> good luck
[09:39] <awilkins> Meanwhile, even GoToMeeting is supporting WebRTC now
[09:40]  * popey only has windows for GameOS and GameDevOS stuff
[09:40] <awilkins> Shame that the boss owns a share in the one we use, they are going to get their lunch eaten
[09:40] <zmoylan-pi> if god had wanted us to use webconferencing it would be available on linux :-P
[09:41] <popey> my windows pc got an nvidia driver update last night, it has an optimal settings wizard thing which optimised GTA5 upwards, which was nice
[09:42] <popey> wish we had that on linux
[09:42] <TwistedLucidity> I wish nvidia supported GNU/Linux properly
[09:43] <zmoylan-pi> didn't nvidia downgrade a driver at one point as the linux one had more features than the windows one? or was that some other manufacturer?
[09:43] <TwistedLucidity> Can't recall. The lack of Optimus support from nvidia is a total embuggartion.
[09:45] <zmoylan-pi> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQ3NDE NVIDIA Drops Linux Driver Feature Not Found On Windows
[09:45] <TwistedLucidity> Yes, I know about Prime. But that requires a log-out.
[09:46] <TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: nvidia are known for producing the same card and then locking things down in firmware. In fairness, they are not the only OEM to do that.
[09:47] <zmoylan-pi> true, but to remove something because their windows driver doesn't is a new low
[09:47] <bashrc_> disableware
[09:48] <zmoylan-pi> and they irked that nice man linus, takes a lot to do that :-P
[09:48] <TwistedLucidity> I can see why they did it (does make it easier for support) but Phoronix is also correct; the door should have been left open for end-users to go outwith support.
[09:49] <TwistedLucidity> I don't think many large OEMs "get" the culture that many GNU/Linux users share "I'll tinker, I'll break it, and then I'll fix it - I just need the docs"
[09:50] <TwistedLucidity> Reminds me, I need to send Verbatim a support email because their SSD docs contain zero info on block-size and I know for a fact the firmware is lying (no way it's 512bytes)
[09:50] <zmoylan-pi> doesn't make them look cutting edge when some spotty teenager in their bedroom gets features working on their cards before they do
[09:51] <diddledan> TwistedLucidity: it's probably 4k
[09:51] <popey> IBM were doing locking in firmware before most of us were born.
[09:51] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: Yeah, that's what I think too. But there's no mention of Erase Block Size either; so a support call it is.
[09:51] <diddledan> \o/
[09:52] <diddledan> phone all the people!
[09:52] <TwistedLucidity> And that's where OEMs fail. The include marketing information, but no technical information
[09:52] <TwistedLucidity> popey: The zero-ohm resistor.
[09:52] <zmoylan-pi> the way ibm did it i was ok with.  you leased their equipment to do a certain task.  and while an upgrade was often a switch away it would affect how often it needed maintenance
[09:52] <diddledan> yeah they don't care about technical people - they want to convince managers that they should buy new shiny
[09:53] <zmoylan-pi> i think it more speaks about how we don't 'own' the hardware we buy anymore
[09:53] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: Which I am cool with. Just have a sodding PDF or a page at the back of the marketing blurb. Lenovo (for all the recent ills) are pretty good and giving you all the detail you could ever want.
[09:53] <diddledan> then thosemanagers say to their tech team "here I bought you this! have at it!"
[09:54] <diddledan> hmm, my dad bought a lenovo the other day. I forgot to check with him whether he's looked for superfish
[09:54] <TwistedLucidity> It is a sweet SSD though. If I had time I would actually see if it has boosted the Pi's speed (but I mostly need it for the low-power storage)
[09:55] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: Depends on the model. Proper Thinkpads never had it, only consumer level. Best bet is nuke and re-install.
[09:55] <diddledan> it's a desktop
[09:55] <TwistedLucidity> Nuke and re-install.
[09:55] <diddledan> lol
[09:55] <zmoylan-pi> try pc decrapifier
[09:55] <zmoylan-pi> might save the reinstall
[09:55] <TwistedLucidity> CCleaner too
[09:56] <TwistedLucidity> Piriform do some powerful, and fairly easy to use, Windows tools. "Recuva" is a good, basic recovery tool.
[09:56] <diddledan> oh, be careful with spybot search n destroy - dad (again) had issue with running it causing major slowdowns on internet access - turns out it dumps a shedload of entries into the hosts file
[09:57] <diddledan> several hundred k-work
[09:57] <diddledan> worth&*
[09:57] <foobarry> only if you ask it to i think
[09:57] <foobarry> if my 10yr old memory serves correct
[09:57] <foobarry> malware bytes anti malware seemed better
[09:57] <TwistedLucidity> It's trying to do a poor-man's network-level block. Thing is, how browsers react to that van vary.
[09:58] <diddledan> and if you run a webserver on your local pc then more fun ensues
[09:58] <diddledan> it points everything at 127.0.0.1
[10:01] <TwistedLucidity> I have "pixelsrv" installed on the router, that coupled with some DNSMasq magic means the browser *always* gets a speedy and valid response for a blocked domain. a 1x1px gif.
[10:02] <popey> http://imgur.com/gallery/KojPK oh my!
[10:02] <awilkins> ^ re :god and webconferencing.... we were intended to use Wave
[10:03] <awilkins> With a steadily richer variety of document / wavelet types available for each collaborative task
[10:03] <diddledan> wave still exists under a non-google entity I believe?
[10:03] <popey> it does?
[10:04] <popey> I thought it was shut down and the people moved to other things
[10:04] <awilkins> It's in the Apache incubator
[10:04] <awilkins> But there have been noises about dropping it recently
[10:04] <awilkins> The codebase is rather unwieldy it seems
[10:04] <awilkins> there's http://wiab.pro as well (wanting to keep it running)
[10:05] <diddledan> https://rizzoma.com/
[10:05] <awilkins> There's an upswing in effort to try and stop it dying altogether, but yes, most of the core developers have gone (probably because they took the OT stuff and enhanced Google Docs with it instead)
[10:06] <awilkins> diddledan, Shiny
[10:10] <awilkins> diddledan, Hah, one of the default waves in that implementation is one of my pet ideas for wave (expressed by someone else)
[10:10] <awilkins> Wave for Electronic Health Records.
[10:13] <awilkins> Possibly because I commented on it back in 2010 and it still knows that...
[10:14] <awilkins> Oops, 2009
[10:14] <awilkins> Wow, Wave is old
[10:15] <TwistedLucidity> Watched "Independence Day" recently. That's nearly 20 years old.
[10:16] <diddledan> nowai
[10:16] <awilkins> Still really dig Bill Pullman's speech
[10:17] <diddledan> metoo
[10:17] <diddledan> I got chills hearing that
[10:17] <TwistedLucidity> Only issue I have with my home network is OS X. Open a web page takes over 2 minutes for initial load. Stupid thing.
[10:17] <foobarry> i hate that film with a passion
[10:17] <foobarry> its in my top 10 hated films
[10:17] <awilkins> And think the last shot of the film should have been a statue of Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum with their wioves mourning them
[10:17] <zmoylan-pi> i hate armageddon more
[10:17] <TwistedLucidity> It's a terrbile film, but good fun.
[10:17] <zmoylan-pi> oh i like 'bad' films but sometimes they are too bad.
[10:18] <diddledan> oh no you did not shoot that green poo at me
[10:18] <awilkins> It's total cheese. This is underlined by Brent Spiner's performance as the archetypical nerd scientist.
[10:18] <diddledan> he's gonna be in the sequel
[10:18] <foobarry> i hate the american habit of saving the world
[10:18] <awilkins> As soon as you see that first shot of him you just go ... .OOOOh, it's not really taking itself seriously, is it
[10:18] <diddledan> foobarry: isn't that what we keep them around for?
[10:18] <zmoylan-pi> infecting the aliens computer with a mac...
[10:18] <TwistedLucidity> "Blarg, we have travelled interstellar distances in our own lifetime at speed great than c. Commence the invasion!" "K'arg, should be encrypt our communications channel?" "Pfft....why? Use a basic binary countdown in the clear!"
[10:19] <awilkins> In the sequel they should have the laughing skull of the virus be Steve Job's rotting face
[10:19] <awilkins> Don't think the aliens were a faster-than-light culture
[10:20] <awilkins> Sally from Oblivion was a similar (but technologically singular) kind of thing
[10:20] <TwistedLucidity> "Blarg, we can hover ships larger that cities in the air with no visible force our technology prowess overpowers these vermin, commence the air assault!" "K'arg, should we enable 'friend or foe' detection and close the launch ports?" "Pfft...no."
[10:21] <TwistedLucidity> "K'arg a ship we haven't see for nearly 40 local years has suddenly appeared, it's not responding to hail. Could be a trap." Blarg, let them in, let them in. It'll be fine. Trust me!"
[10:22] <awilkins> It's like Armageddon. It's space opera. It's fun.
[10:22] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: I more meant that if the movie were to be consistent, it would have been about 2 minutes log. Aliens arrives, humans dead, the end.
[10:22] <awilkins> You take the needle off the record of disbelief and enjoy it.
[10:22] <foobarry> its long and boring
[10:22] <foobarry> james bond is ridiculous but fun
[10:22] <diddledan> I've never been one to pick holes in movies - I appreciate them all for just a fun time
[10:22] <foobarry> ID is boring and stupid
[10:22] <zmoylan-pi> civilisation that has crossed between stars versus civilisation that got to the moon BEFORE putting wheels on suitcases... :-)
[10:23] <awilkins> The aliens should have just used a mass driver and killed us all with a nuclear winter
[10:23] <awilkins> Then colonised our planet for the resources
[10:23] <awilkins> They've been flying between stellar systems for aeons, what's a few more thousand year?
[10:23] <TwistedLucidity> Now, the concept in the book "Footfall" was interesting. The aliens were advanced, but had found the tech so had no real understanding. The produced things by rote, never changing. Their tech was more like holy relics.
[10:23] <zmoylan-pi> in which case a simple virus to wipe out the humans would do the trick
[10:23] <TwistedLucidity> But the humans could innovate. Made for a decent book.
[10:25] <TwistedLucidity> Footfall: Niven & Pournelle
[10:26] <zmoylan-pi> niven and pournelle do decent sci fi
[10:26] <zmoylan-pi> old school
[10:26] <TwistedLucidity> Armageddon was also dumb. Send up a bot, paint half the asteroid white. Job done.
[10:26] <TwistedLucidity> Well, maybe not white; but reflective.
[10:26] <zmoylan-pi> but we have all these nukes sitting around...
[10:27] <TwistedLucidity> Wouldn't work.
[10:27] <popey> Interstellar is quite good
[10:27] <popey> watched that twice now.
[10:27] <diddledan> I like that interstellar uses relativity
[10:27] <zmoylan-pi> i like 2010, the monolith is just so far beyond our understanding
[10:28] <diddledan> they left it open for a sequel too
[10:28] <TwistedLucidity> It's an interesting concept and if you like that, check out "Predestination".
[10:28] <TwistedLucidity> popey: ^
[10:28] <popey> also, you should all read this comic, it's good http://www.reddit.com/r/ubuntu
[10:28] <popey> er
[10:28] <popey> stupid copy/paste
[10:28] <popey> http://www.shigabooks.com/index.php?page=001 this comic :)
[10:28] <popey> thanks TwistedLucidity
[10:28] <zmoylan-pi> and if you like scifi with aliens that's fun, the fifth element... :-)
[10:28] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: heck yeah!
[10:29] <diddledan> mooltipass!
[10:29] <popey> Leeloo mooltipass!
[10:29] <bashrc_> is Ubuntu still cool?
[10:29] <zmoylan-pi> it's green
[10:29] <awilkins> SUPERGREEN
[10:29] <diddledan> soylent green!
[10:29] <popey> ugh, chris pirillo
[10:29]  * awilkins has ordered some Joylent Green
[10:30] <diddledan> awilkins: that sounds joyful
[10:30] <TwistedLucidity> "The Man from Earth" is also relatively enjoyable
[10:30] <awilkins> THere's a US company that does "Soylent" a full foodstuff that you dilute with water
[10:30] <awilkins> It's open-source
[10:31] <awilkins> The EU version is Joylent
[10:31] <popey> http://www.soylent.me/
[10:31] <awilkins> That's the stuff
[10:31] <TwistedLucidity> Urgh, so much JS to permit through.
[10:32] <awilkins> On one hand, I'm a foodie and the idea of it disgusts me because it seems to suck all the joy from food
[10:32] <directhex_> i find the concept of soylent rather depressing, but not everyone loves food
[10:32] <popey> yeah
[10:32] <awilkins> On the other hand, I acknowledge that I don't have the time to be a *proper* foodie all the time and this leads me to just throw crap into my face
[10:32] <zmoylan-pi> at least they're not using the original recipie? :-)
[10:32] <popey> friend of mine had a wife (now ex) who didn't enjoy food at all
[10:32] <TwistedLucidity> It's the future, unless people stop sprogging.
[10:32] <popey> we ordered pizza when she was round one day, she said no
[10:33] <popey> i asked what i could make for her, what does she like..
[10:33] <popey> ended up making baked beans on a pizza base for her
[10:33] <diddledan> o_O
[10:33] <awilkins> That's just broken
[10:33] <diddledan> that's just wrong
[10:33] <popey> ikr
[10:33] <directhex_> wife has a friend who basically only eats breaded chicken
[10:33] <popey> there's a guy who works on some free software project I can't remember, and he only eats bread and butter
[10:34] <diddledan> ergh
[10:34] <bashrc_> gosh
[10:34] <popey> like _only_
[10:34] <TwistedLucidity> If it's proper bread....
[10:34] <popey> he is _tiny_
[10:34] <TwistedLucidity> Not the standard UK loaf....
[10:34] <awilkins> So : I ordered some because I reckon it will nourish me better during those times when I'm workaholic-ing and can't be arsed being a proper foodie.
[10:34] <TwistedLucidity> But still...he can't be in good shape
[10:35] <awilkins> Yeah, no way is bread and butter nutritionally complete
[10:35] <zmoylan-pi> you can live on it a long time
[10:35] <awilkins> "survive"
[10:36] <diddledan> reminds me of the diet I had to undergo before getting my gallbladder removed - two weeks of milk. milk. and nothing but milk.
[10:36] <directhex_> i am on a diet
[10:36] <zmoylan-pi> no, live.  some people don't eat much, they get by on next to nothing.  and can do it for a long long time
[10:36] <diddledan> not allowed any sugar in tea
[10:36] <directhex_> but my diet is compatible with cheeseburgers, booze, and takeaway pizza
[10:37] <diddledan> directhex_: I hear ya!
[10:37] <diddledan> diddledan: cheeseburger for lunch today methinks
[10:37] <diddledan> o_O
[10:37] <directhex_> i've lost a stone in about 5-6 weeks
[10:37] <diddledan> while eating cheesy burgers?!
[10:37] <directhex_> yep!
[10:38] <zmoylan-pi> throwing away the bread?
[10:38] <diddledan> that's unpossible
[10:38] <TwistedLucidity> And the burger and the cheese, only eating the salad?
[10:38] <directhex_> easy peasy.
[10:38] <diddledan> don't tell me you do the whole moving your body thing?
[10:38] <zmoylan-pi> a mate is a body builder who live on junk food, but throws away the bread.  atkins fan
[10:39] <directhex_> diddledan: yes!
[10:39] <diddledan> dear god man!
[10:39] <directhex_> diddledan: if i don't, i have to eat less.
[10:39] <directhex_> diddledan: i can buy a mcdonalds double cheeseburger with 40 minutes on the exercise bike.
[10:39] <diddledan> I need one of those
[10:39] <diddledan> I don't mind cycling
[10:40] <TwistedLucidity> A McDeath burger?
[10:40] <bashrc_> what about a zombie shuffler?
[10:40] <directhex_> and by 40 minutes imean 42 minutes
[10:40] <directhex_> and by 42 minutes, i mean an episode of babylon 5
[10:40] <diddledan> though I would need a static one so I can't fall off when I exhaust myself
[10:40] <diddledan> lol
[10:40] <diddledan> bab5 ftw!
[10:40] <directhex_> diddledan: i just got a fold-"flat" one from argos.
[10:41] <TwistedLucidity> My host has a local network and a VPN connection. The VPN is stable. But for some reason the NAT connection the VM is using to access the VPN keeps dropping. Dashed irritation.
[10:41] <popey> hah
[10:42] <knightwise> hey popey , diddledan
[10:42] <knightwise> popey: happy belated birthday btw
[10:42] <zmoylan-pi> but if it folds flat how are you supposed to hang clothes on it?! :-)
[10:42] <davmor2> JamesTait: Microvolunteer day you say.....okay I volunteer to microwave you I don't know why you'd want me too though but hey I'm not going to argue
[10:42] <popey> thanks knightwise
[10:42] <TwistedLucidity> Seems a bit better now I'm running "ping -t <server>". I wonder what's going wrong...host and VM are Windows. That's probably the answer....
[10:43] <davmor2> MooDoo: man now you are as owld as popey again for a moment it must of felt great to be young again ;)
[10:46] <knightwise> i've seen statues on easter island younger then popey
[10:50] <popey> !
[10:51] <knightwise> just like popey they were only partially excavated :p
[10:52] <davmor2> knightwise: dude that's harsh, funny as hell, but harsh ;)
[10:52] <knightwise> Just kidding :)
[10:52]  * knightwise loves popey ! 
[10:53] <davmor2> popey: on a plus side you still have more hair that me and MooDoo put together :)
[10:53] <knightwise> if we include popeys back that is ..
[10:53] <bashrc_> :)
[10:53] <zmoylan-pi> what if count your backs? :-P
[10:54]  * knightwise is very proud of his chesthairs
[10:54] <knightwise> all three of them
[11:17] <foobarry> i have three too
[11:17] <foobarry> and daddy long legs sprouting out of nipples
[11:20] <Myrtti> did I link to this earlier? https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/linux-essential-details-like-zones-road-previews-not-rendered-in-game-hack-workaround.844896/page-2
[11:22] <popey> nope
[11:22] <Myrtti> I'm playing Cities:Skylines on my XPS 13 now ^____^
[11:23] <Myrtti> well not now, obviously
[11:23] <Myrtti> but I could if I wanted to
[11:25] <popey> heh
[11:26] <zmoylan-pi> multitask better :-P
[11:27] <Myrtti> I should multitask to kitchen to get more coffee
[11:27] <awilkins> I am a very hairy person
[11:27] <awilkins> Not quite Robin Williams levels of hairy
[11:27] <awilkins> But hairy
[11:29] <diplo> TMI
[11:29] <foobarry> its called fur
[11:40] <davmor2> awilkins: pfff that amateur
[12:48] <awilkins> Poll : alternative to Xenu Link Sleuth that's i) OSS and ii) Not Windows-only
[12:53] <foobarry> awilkins: wget?
[12:54] <awilkins> for the purposes of link auditing? ew.
[12:55] <foobarry> wine+xenu?
[12:55] <foobarry> does not fulfil 1)
[12:55] <foobarry> linkchecker-gui
[12:55] <foobarry> https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/precise/linkchecker-gui/
[13:01] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[13:05] <bashrc_> morning
[13:08] <bigcalm> popey: could you lob me your .exe sometime today please?
[13:08] <popey> is that wise?
[13:08] <bigcalm> I dunno
[13:09] <popey> dunno if it has some key in it
[13:09] <bigcalm> Fair enough
[13:09] <bigcalm> I'll kill my install and re-download
[13:09] <popey> tried searching online for fixes?
[13:10] <bigcalm> Yes, nothing apparent other than people complaining that they have the same issue
[13:10]  * bigcalm grumbles at being in the office for the 3rd day running
[13:10] <bigcalm> Can't do anything until tonight
[13:12] <bigcalm> If Steam could maintain 12.4MB/s, I should be able to redownload in 1 hour 22 minutes
[13:13] <zmoylan-pi> they should have a monthly magazine and put it on the cover... on an audio casette... :-)
[13:14] <zmoylan-pi> but it does sound like a perfect job for torrents
[13:29] <Myrtti> http://uptime.is/99.98
[13:45] <diddledan> Myrtti: secret alien tech?!
[13:52] <zmoylan-pi> only responds to macs?
[14:09] <davmor2> bigcalm: but you chose to go to the office :P
[14:40] <foobarry> had a fire alarm in the sunshine
[14:40] <popey> Convenient
[14:40] <foobarry> was nice. except that i had just reloaded the firewall
[14:40] <popey> ice lollys?
[14:40] <foobarry> was my first thought
[14:40] <foobarry> but shop was far
[14:41] <zmoylan-pi> and foobarry was far away...
[14:43] <zmoylan-pi> no cool pops in canteen freezer to grab on these occasions? :-)
[14:44] <foobarry> lol
[14:44] <foobarry> i fear the sun will be going away for 2 months
[14:44] <foobarry> i have a man laying a patio on saturday so i expect rain
[14:46] <zmoylan-pi> and you need a plastic skeleton to bury under the patio for future excavators... :-P
[14:47] <foobarry> my neighbour 2 doors down threw a half moon edging spade in the skip
[14:47] <foobarry> my wife asked if she could have it
[14:47] <foobarry> the neighbour said yes please, i would be nice to return home
[14:47] <foobarry> turns out it belonged to the original owner of my house :)
[14:48] <popey> hah
[14:49] <popey> when we first moved in, we filled in the pond (wife hates ponds, dangerous for toddlers) and a neighbour came round "oh, hello, how are you settling in?"
[14:49] <zmoylan-pi> ask if they have the superman issue #1 that belonged as well... :-D
[14:49] <popey> I wanted to say "other than undoing all the stupid stuff the previous owner did, fine!!" but just said "fine" instead.
[14:49] <popey> Turns out he was the previous owners brother.
[14:50] <popey> glad I bit my lip, he was quite a brick outhouse
[14:52] <foobarry> heh
[14:52] <foobarry> ponds are bad
[14:52] <foobarry> a bad thing happened to a friend
[14:52] <foobarry> and their kid :(
[14:52] <foobarry> its jsut not worth it
[14:58] <davmor2> popey: you say "Convenient" like he triggered the alarm
[15:00] <mappps> i like ponds
[15:00] <mappps> :)
[15:01] <mappps> Don't have a garden anymore so can't have one anyway ;[
[15:01] <foobarry> we usually get fire alarms around exam period
[15:01] <foobarry> but there are some men replacing all the doors with doors 1mm thicker
[15:01] <foobarry> doing the regular door replacement scheme for fire regs that absolutely nobody else bothers with
[15:02] <foobarry> a colleague has the stupid whistle notification on his phone, and literally received 20 in a minute
[15:02] <mappps> lol
[15:02] <foobarry> he doesn't realise his colleagues want to stab him
[15:03] <foobarry> he spends all day eating
[15:04] <davmor2> foobarry: feed him the phone
[15:04] <awilkins> Put his phone in a metal biscuit tin
[15:04] <awilkins> We used to do that for a manager that left his phone in his office
[15:05] <awilkins> Faraday cage. No more notifiers.
[15:06] <foobarry> he's at his desk
[15:06] <foobarry> it would have gone out of the window otherwise
[15:07] <foobarry> no awareness of the annoyance caused
[15:08] <mappps> gone over my 3gb 'unlimited' allowance..they slow it down but i guess its not too bad
[15:08] <mappps> 20kB/s
[15:08] <mappps> o2 used to cap it to like 1kB/s when you went over
[15:09] <mappps> at least with 20 can still access email/whatsapp/websites/skype
[15:09] <foobarry> google services eats all my data
[15:09] <foobarry> can't turn it off or i don't receive hangouts
[15:09] <mappps> :(
[15:09] <mappps> how much you get
[15:10] <foobarry> 1 GB :(
[15:10] <mappps> i get 20gb 4g with ee..but thats no good to me here ;( wish i could change that to a few gb of roaming data
[15:10] <foobarry> nope, 250MB
[15:10] <mappps> why not get more;p
[15:10] <foobarry> because i spend all my money on nappies
[15:10] <mappps> =[
[15:11] <foobarry> this smarties easter egg came with smarties inside but not in a bag
[15:11] <foobarry> so you crack it open and smarties everywhere
[15:12] <zmoylan-pi> smartie bomb...
[15:12] <foobarry> now they are in my belly
[15:12] <foobarry> i wanted the egg first
[15:12] <zmoylan-pi> safely disarmed...
[15:26] <mappps> grmpf
[15:26] <mappps> raining here
[15:26]  * mappps slaps foobarry around a bit with a large trout
[15:26] <mappps> oops
[15:27] <mappps> almost time to walk to the gym too ugh
[15:28] <zmoylan-pi> can't you take a taxi? :-)
[15:31] <bigcalm> davmor2: I'm in the office today because lornajane is
[15:31] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'm telling your wife of you going into an office just cause there is a girlie there ;)
[15:47] <bigcalm> davmor2: my wife is here too
[15:52] <diddledan> pic.twitter.com/W8kasKBlCI
[15:53] <bigcalm> davmor2: https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/588369546421108736/photo/1
[15:54] <davmor2> bigcalm: hahaha
[16:32] <ne2k> I am using 14.04 desktop. I am running spotify's official package. I can play and pause spotify using the sound menu and using a key mapped to Play/Pause using keyboard shortcuts (the Pause key in this case).
[16:33] <popey> Good for you! :D
[16:33] <popey> (so can I)
[16:33] <ne2k> if spotify is playing, xdotool key XF86AudioPause and XF86AudioStop both have the desired effect, but if spotify is not playing, xdotool key XF86AudioPause and XF86AudioPlay have no effect
[16:33] <ne2k> any idea how to debug what is going on here?
[16:33] <popey> is spotify open but not playing?
[16:34] <popey> works here...
[16:34] <ne2k> popey, yes, it is open and paused. if I press the keyboard key, it works. if I press the button in the sound menu, it works. if I press the button in spotify, it works. but if I run xdotool key XF86AudioPlay or XF86AudioPause, it makes no difference
[16:34] <ne2k> it does not start playing
[16:34] <popey> well, play works, pause doesn't
[16:34] <popey> stop does
[16:35] <popey> odd
[16:35] <popey> maybe ask them in #spotify?
[16:35] <popey> I dunno
[16:35] <ne2k> I am also running spotcommander and blockify. I wonder if either of these is making a difference
[16:35] <ne2k> I will stop them and see
[16:36] <popey> hah, good luck getting any support in #spotify then
[16:36] <ne2k> bizarre. I closed all three, and reopened spotify, and now the keyboard key is not working
[16:37] <ne2k> I'm guessing the commands get to spotify via dbus
[16:38] <ne2k> realized I didn't quit blockify cleanly. it has a bug whereby if you press the [X] it doesn't shut down properly
[16:38] <popey> You'll have to ask someone else.
[16:43]  * Myrtti has just paid for Spotify for the benefit of using it on Linux for years like a good girl would
[16:44] <Myrtti> also offline mobile playlists.
[16:44]  * zmoylan-pi hugs my fm radio...
[16:44] <ne2k> https://community.spotify.com/t5/Help-Desktop-Linux-Mac-and/Linux-dbus-bug-calling-Play-has-no-effect/td-p/482822 popey
[16:44] <ne2k> whaddya know!
[16:44] <ne2k> qdbus has the desired effect -- good stuff
[16:44] <Myrtti> I listened to the radio yesterday, although online since I don't have a radio at bedside
[16:46] <popey> bigcalm: does your windows username contain a hyphen?
[16:46] <Myrtti> listened to the local candidates talk about immigration - that was a fun listen. They had a UKIP candidate who was a second generation Polish immigrant.
[16:46] <bigcalm> popey: no, it's my 1st name
[16:46] <popey> just a thought
[16:46] <bigcalm> Aye
[16:46] <bigcalm> popey: just remembered that I have LUG tonight. Won't be able to poke it until tomorrow now :*
[16:46] <bigcalm> :(
[16:46] <popey> directhex_: may know of magic ways to make steam games not un-work
[16:46] <popey> awwww
[16:47] <popey> I'll play for you.
[16:47]  * popey opens it
[16:47] <bigcalm> You do that :P
[16:47] <bigcalm> directhex_: for context, my GTA V is missing PlayGTAV.exe
[16:48] <directhex_> right click game in library, properties, local files tab, verify integrity of game cache
[16:48] <bigcalm> directhex_: did that and it passed
[16:52] <bigcalm> directhex_: actual issue is that loading from Steam makes the game mode selection box appear (Play GTA V, Play GTA V Online). Selecting either option closes that box and then doesn't do anything else
[16:53] <directhex_> just for lulz, try creating a new windows user and login as them
[16:53] <bigcalm> directhex_: I'd have to redownload the 59gb
[16:53] <bigcalm> ?
[16:53] <directhex_> no, windows stores games in c:\progra~1
[16:54] <awilkins> By default
[16:54] <awilkins> My Steam folder is j:\Steam
[16:54] <bigcalm> Okay
[16:58] <bigcalm> I'll try tomorrow
[17:53] <ArthurGrace> AlanBell, Just wondering how that Raspberry Pi project is coming along ? i.e. Now that UbuntuMate is on the raspberry ...
[17:59] <daftykins> MATE is? on all models or just the 2?
[17:59] <ArthurGrace> I think it's just the 2.
[17:59] <daftykins> makes sense, given the ARM level
[18:00] <ArthurGrace> slow as watching paint dry though.
[18:00] <ArthurGrace> is AlanBell ever on this channel ?
[18:01] <ArthurGrace> gone quiet over the last 12 months.
[18:04] <ArthurGrace> Screw this, what am I wasting my time here for ? Sod this !
[18:09] <directhex_> use wayland on pi if you want speed
[18:13] <daftykins> what an odd attitude on that chap
[18:19]  * brobostigon makes a note of wayland on pi.
[18:21] <ali12341> you might as well use dispmanx directly
[18:21] <ali12341> wayland on pi is pretty buggy
[18:22] <popey> MATE on Pi2 is surprisingly usable.
[18:22] <popey> (if that's what you want)
[18:22] <ali12341> yeah but you need pi2 :)
[18:30] <roy_> hello everyone :)
[18:31] <roy_> Is there any linux app that show the disk usage like what we see in windows right after clicking the MY COMPUTER icon.???
[18:32] <popey> roy_: on ubuntu there is an app called "disks" which shows you how much space is used
[18:34] <davmor2> roy_: there is system monitor also
[18:35] <davmor2> roy_: open the dash and just type in system and that will give you a tool similar to windows system monitor.  then if you need more in depth stuff disks is definitely the place to go :)
[18:36] <roy_> thanks popey & davmor2, Disks utility was not pre-installed in my ubuntu studio, I have installed it from software center & it serves my purpose very well. Thanks friend. :)
[18:37] <roy_> yup system monitor is awesome too.
[18:37] <roy_> thanks again mate.
[18:39] <roy_> Recently I went through an article about ubuntu 4.0 kernel. Will it support on my 14.04 ubuntu studio?
[18:39] <roy_> I have never tried installing kernels manually!
[18:39] <roy_> have you people tried the new kernel?
[18:39] <roy_> sorry. its linux 4.0 kernel
[18:42] <ali12341> it was only released like 2 days ago
[18:44] <davmor2> roy_: most likely won't land on 14.04.  14.04 is an LTS so that will add security patches but not new stuff.
[18:45] <davmor2> roy_: 16.04 will likely be based off of a 4.x kernel branch
[18:46] <roy_> then which distro is best for tinkering with linux?
[18:46] <roy_> which distro are you using at the moment davmor2?
[18:48] <davmor2> I'm on 15.04 but then I'm in QA so I'm trying to break it, Ubuntu won't get 4.0 kernel till next release 15.10 but that is because it landed way too late in the cycle for this release
[18:53] <roy_> gotta go mate. nice meeting you. have fun. bye. :)
[19:03] <davmor2> popey: look at the picture of clegg in the news scope, is it me or is his policies to sell you ms windows
[20:53] <diddledan> evenin
[20:58] <daftykins> hello sir
[20:59] <mappps> my oh my
[20:59] <mappps> again..go out in public and i just wonder how some people manage in life
[21:00] <mappps> went to a bar opposite me to watch the champions league..group of young english chavs there..1 girls about 18 with a kid and talking about getting her childs ears pierced
[21:00] <mappps> now..the child can only be id guess ~ max 6months old?
[21:00] <mappps> im no parent..but seems like a bad idea:)
[21:02] <daftykins> ;/
[21:02] <mappps> maybe i'm wrong;P
[21:03] <mappps> i then heard her friend say 'dont trust google' when talking about finding information for parents online
[21:03] <mappps> do they not realise google isnt the actual source
[21:04] <awilkins> I've stopped being surprised at the level of ignorance people have of technology
[21:04] <awilkins> And the youth of today are less equipped to understand it than us older folks
[21:04] <mappps> i expect these kids will grow up to be contributing members of society..not
[21:05] <mappps> honestly this was like being in Stoke/Manchester..thick english chavs
[21:05] <daftykins> mappps: how are these types making it to Gib 0o
[21:05] <mappps> I'd be shocked if any of them had any education between them
[21:05] <mappps> daftykins i wondered
[21:05] <mappps> we're paying £1600 RENT
[21:05] <mappps> my mate pays £1200
[21:05] <mappps> etc
[21:06] <mappps> but then i was told by a guy that lives here that locals and people 'in need' get council housing..like UK..but the diff being its a lot cheaper..80-100 quid a month
[21:06] <mappps> locals get access to it by just being local
[21:06] <mappps> but if i had kids and turned up here i think i could apply
[21:07] <mappps> no other way they could be here..you get a feel for people by the way they speak and appear..sure its not always right..buti figured this girl was trash then i hear her say '#when i go back to work'
[21:07] <mappps> and why are they all out in a bar with 3 kids under 1 year
[21:07] <mappps> my parents wouldn't have dreamed of taking us out to some dump that young
[21:09] <daftykins> i always thought most bars had no-kids rules :>
[21:09] <mappps> seemingly not these days
[21:09] <mappps> what would the benefit survivors do
[21:10] <mappps> they wouldn't be able to go to the bars/pubs during the day