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elfycyphermox: been unable to check for a day or two, unfortunately now I have, reboot works in hardware and kvm, guess where it failed :(06:40
ochosimorning07:03
ochosielfy: where?07:03
elfyhi ochosi :)07:03
elfyfails to reboot after installing, just sits there waiting for the next Ice Age I think07:03
elfyjust checking 32bit on vbox 07:04
elfyvbox really is a pita seemingly 07:04
ochosioh, that again07:05
elfyyep07:05
elfycyphermox: so 64bit vbox, exits desktop then hangs, 32bit ends like this http://i.imgur.com/nztUBKK.png07:10
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cyphermoxelfy: ok, yeah that looks broken13:29
cyphermoxochosi: your ubiquity-dm fix doesn't seem to work for me; have you tested it in ubiquity-dm itself?15:05
pleia2elfy: social mediaed the expectation for RC landing on Friday18:14
pleia2err, proposed RC18:14
elfypleia2: awesome sauce - thanks pleia2 :)18:14
pleia2like this: https://twitter.com/Xubuntu/status/58840483147329945618:14
pleia2:)18:14
elfyposting to -testers works for you then :D18:14
pleia2it does!18:14
pleia2lands in my inbox, -dev does not18:15
elfypleia2: nice tweet - thanks :)18:15
elfyyep - no reason to not carry on doing that at all, though if I do then I'll just CC you instead :D18:15
pleia2:)18:15
pleia2ok, back to conferencing18:17
elfycya :D18:18
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* pleia2 shares default app decisions (and apologizes for failure to formally vote)19:37
Unit193Danke.19:37
ochosino worries pleia2 19:49
ochosihad your sort-of vote affected the final outcome i would have reconsidered19:50
ochosibut as it is, it was no biggie19:50
ochosiand thanks for social-media-ing19:50
pleia2woo, already got one sad-gimp note19:50
ochosi:)19:50
Unit193Back with the raring cycle or so I was tasked with tracking the progress of libdvdcss, well it's now made it into Debian NEW: https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/libdvd-pkg_1.3.0-1-1.html20:17
knomemm20:19
knomeup in the 15.10 queue then!20:20
Unit193It was tracked for xubuntu-restricted-*20:20
knomeyep20:20
knomei acknowledge20:21
knomewon't make it into 15.04 repositories though.20:21
Unit193Hah, no, of course not.20:21
Unit193OK, I'm done with my quantal/raring tasks now.20:22
knomelaaaate.20:34
slickymaster!team ! Meeting in 15 minutes20:45
ubottuslickymaster: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)20:45
slickymasterbah silly bot20:45
slickymaster!team | Meeting in 15 minutes20:46
ubottuMeeting in 15 minutes: bluesabre, elfy, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster, Unit19320:46
krytarikslickymaster: "keycode  10 = exclam 1 exclam 1 bar exclamdown bar exclamdown" :P20:48
krytarikRarely used it ever since though.20:48
elfyballoons: ping if you're still showing up20:56
ochosicyphermox: i forgot to add a note to that bugreport stating that my patch doesn't fully work. it does hide the desktop icons, but persistently, i.e. in the live session too (where we actually want them to show up). since it was late in the cycle and it's more of an aesthetic than a really critical issue we decided to ignore it and fix it in 15.10 by using feh to draw the background20:57
ochosicyphermox: that change (switch to feh) seemed to risky and last-minute just to fix those icons showing up20:58
cyphermoxwell, not really20:58
cyphermoxubiquity-dm doesn't get used for the live-session20:58
cyphermoxdo you rather mean that it breaks the installed system?20:58
cyphermoxbut if you're fine with just ignoring it and fixing things in 15.10, I'm fine with that too20:59
ochosino, xfdesktop uses xfconf to store/load its settings, and that's what is persistent21:00
slickymaster!team | meeting time!21:01
ubottumeeting time!: bluesabre, elfy, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster, Unit19321:01
slickymaster#startmeeting21:01
meetingologyMeeting started Wed Apr 15 21:01:14 2015 UTC.  The chair is slickymaster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.21:01
meetingologyAvailable commands: action commands idea info link nick21:01
slickymasterWho's here for the meeting?21:01
elfyyup21:01
micahgo/21:02
slickymasterhey micahg elfy 21:02
ochosio/21:02
slickymasterwell, knome will be joining us in a moment21:03
slickymasterso I think we can start21:03
slickymaster#topic Open action items21:03
slickymasterUnit193 to tie up with elfy for xubuntu-core upgrade testing needs21:04
slickymasterelfy, the floor is yours21:04
elfythat was long done21:04
elfyshouldn't be an open item21:04
slickymasterbah, it's still showing up in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings21:04
elfymmm21:05
slickymasterI'm assuming that the other two would also be done, then21:05
elfythe game one is21:05
slickymasterok, moving on then21:05
slickymaster#topic Team updates21:05
elfythe knome is tying up ochosi21:05
elfyno-one remembers what that even is 21:06
ochosii think we did that now21:06
ochosithe only thing left would be the games discussion21:06
slickymasterelfy, said that's done ochosi 21:06
ochosiyeah, i'm not keen on having that anyway ;)21:06
elfyI put it on the agenda - it got removed21:06
elfybah21:07
elfythat sounds wrong lol21:07
elfyit got removed because 15.10 :)21:07
balloonsohh my21:07
slickymasterhey balloons, be welcome21:07
ochosii have few to no updates21:08
* balloons waves21:08
elfysame21:08
slickymasternothing from me also21:08
slickymastermicahg, anything?21:08
pleia2o/21:08
ochosi#info the hacky patch from bug #1437180 won't get shipped in 15.04, the bug will remain as it is and we will have to resolve it in 15.1021:08
ubottubug 1437180 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Desktop Icons show on the install only desktop" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/143718021:08
micahgno updates21:09
pleia2#info we'll be sharing on social media soon, but here first - polos and sweaters! https://www.hellotux.com/xubuntu21:09
slickymastergreat pleia2 21:10
ochosi#info Gimp, Abiword and Gnumeric will be dropped for 15.10, LibreOffice (or parts of it) will be installed by default (result of the team vote from last week)21:10
slickymasteranything else?21:10
Unit193That was for/from last meeting, not this one? :P21:10
slickymasterbah, too late Unit193 :P21:10
knomei'm here21:10
slickymaster;)21:10
ochosiUnit193: yeah, whatever ;)21:10
knomewhat am i tying?21:10
ochosiknome: some action item nobody knows about anymore21:11
knomehah.21:11
ochosi"knome to follow up with ochosi on setting up a team vote - or allowing more time for discussion"21:11
knomeit's the XSD stuff21:11
slickymasteryeaps21:11
ochosioh ok21:11
knomeso we should probably just boot up the vote21:11
slickymasterknome, any updates from you?21:12
knomenot really21:12
slickymastermoving on, then21:12
slickymaster#topic Announcements21:12
elfyyou can announce I'd really like to see people testing 21:13
slickymastergo ahead elfy 21:13
knomeelfy, i'll do at least one upgrade test on hardware with real data21:14
elfyty21:14
slickymasterftr: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-April/010712.html21:14
slickymasterno other announcements?21:15
ochosinot from my sie21:15
ochosiside21:15
knomenot announcements really21:15
slickymaster#topic Discussion21:15
slickymaster#subtopic Rebooting the FAQ articles21:16
slickymaster#link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-April/010697.html21:16
slickymasterknome?21:16
knomethis is my item, but i'd really just want discussion on it.21:16
slickymasterthis one is yours21:16
elfynot much discussion happened there 21:16
knomenope...21:17
slickymasterI just become aware of it with the email on m7l21:17
slickymaster* m/l21:17
ochosii like the idea/s, but i don't think i'll have time to really contribute21:17
knomeslickymaster, yeah, that was when i first wrote a public message on it21:17
knomeit's 8 days ago though, so i expected some feedback21:17
ochosiwouldn't that be one way to get some new folks on board?21:18
knomebut maybe everybody just wanted to say they want LibreOffice in in the mailing list21:18
ochosi:)21:18
knomeochosi, absolutely.21:18
ochosimaybe some folks on the forums that have already written tutorials..?21:18
* ochosi doesn't read any forums anymore21:18
elfyknome: or perhaps no-one is that interested21:18
knomeelfy, which is what i snarkily tried to imply:P21:19
Unit193Or everyone thinks it's a good idea, so no objections.21:19
* elfy is well used to mails to the list being ignored 21:19
slickymastermy impression knome was that your email was addressed more to the community than to the team21:19
slickymasteram I reading it wrong?21:19
knomeisn't the team part of the community?21:19
knomeit was pretty much directed at everybody21:19
elfyknome: I'll be able to find some time for that21:20
knomeso let's just move on, and hope that slickymaster replies on the thread and it picks some wind21:20
slickymasterme too21:20
knomeelfy, great21:20
knomeelfy, i think there might be some parts that might overlap with the new slideshow project here21:20
knomeelfy, so let's keep an eye open for that21:20
elfywas thinking similar tbh21:20
knomeso anyway, move on slickymaster 21:21
slickymasterwe could have a sprint on that knome 21:21
knomesure21:21
elfyslickymaster: mmm21:21
slickymasterwhat elfy?21:21
elfythey generally end up being 2 or 3 people 21:21
knomelet's try to get some lurkers from the ml to join us21:21
elfyhardly worth calling it a sprint imo21:21
knomeelfy, that's exactly what i would call it :)21:22
elfyyou might, I'd call it a dawdle21:22
knome;)21:22
slickymasterwe did one of those for the installer slideshoe, the three of us and it worked elfy 21:22
knome#nick xubuntu-docs21:22
knome#action xubuntu-docs to throw the ball around about the FAQ articles21:22
meetingologyACTION: xubuntu-docs to throw the ball around about the FAQ articles21:22
elfyslickymaster: just a matter of noun - not important :)21:23
slickymasteryeaps21:23
slickymasteroving then21:23
slickymasterm21:23
slickymaster#subtopic Xubuntu session in Ubuntu Online Summit on May 5-721:23
knomeballoons, ping!21:23
slickymasteralso yours knome, I believe21:23
knomeyes and no.21:24
knomelet me dig stuff up21:24
balloonsI'm here :-)21:24
elfycould me mine too21:24
slickymasterdo you want to start elfy?21:24
elfybut let's let balloons talk 21:24
slickymasterballoons, the floor is yours21:24
knomeballoons, while you do it, i'll approve your message to the list...21:24
balloonsahh brillant. So I trust you saw the email to the list ... Oh, tehe21:24
slickymasterso balloons, on the Xubuntu session in Ubuntu Online Summit on May 5-7 item21:25
knomehttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-April/010715.html21:25
knome^ there we go21:25
balloonsI'll recap quickly however. I am inquiring to see if someone wishes to run a session or session advocating xubuntu at UOS21:25
* micahg misses UDS21:25
* knome passes micahg the sherlock hat21:26
* slickymaster never attended one tbh21:26
balloonsMy proposal was to have either a planning session, an open FAQ/community session, or even simply just hosting a 'show and tell' session or two showcasing xubuntu21:26
knomei can help plan and prepare for the sessions if somebody needs that support, but i'm not around on those days, so can't run one.21:27
balloonsI think having a presence would be useful to you and would certainly be welcomed by the rest of the community. It would be nice to get some quick updates about what is happening in each flavor21:27
slickymasterit won't be easy for me, working hours and you all know the lousy connectivity I have at work21:28
ochosiyeah, sorry same for me (just checked my calendar), won't be around that day21:28
knomeochosi, it's three days21:28
balloonsindeed, 3 days with your choice of timeslots.. 21:29
ochosiyeah, sry, my eyes are tired :/21:29
pleia2unfortunately I can't make the time either21:29
balloonsnow, it needn't be someone in the meeting at the moment even, if perhaps others might be willing to step up and host something. It really doesn't require much more than showing up21:29
balloonswe've tried to make it easy :-)21:29
knomewhat i proposed earlier when this was originall brought up in the quality channel was a Q&A session, which would have very little overhead. just turn up and know the right answers ;)21:30
balloonsThe information should be in the mail, and you needn't decide right now of course. I'll be around as usual if you have questions, or need help. I hope to see something, but I understand the world is a big place and timezones suck sometimes :-)21:30
knomeand yeah, Unit193 and krytarik are good to go too.21:31
slickymasterI will try to make the Q&A session21:32
slickymasterit will mostly depend at what time it will occour 21:32
slickymasteris there any schedule yet?21:33
elfy we need to decide if we're going to do something, then what, then who - then time it accordingly21:33
balloonsthe schedule can be seen here: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/21:33
slickymasterthanks balloons 21:33
elfyeffectively the last slot is 20:00 UTC21:33
balloonsWe try and send something out a couple weeks in advance, so you have a week or so to nail things down21:33
balloonswe won't turn you away last minute should it come to it, but :-021:33
knome:P21:34
elfyyou can generally do these things with more than one person obviously 21:35
knomeyep21:35
slickymasterany volunteers?21:36
elfyhttp://i.imgur.com/WybNkNw.gif?121:37
slickymasterballoons, when is your deadline to have the confirmations?21:37
elfyperhaps we can discuss on list, see if we can get a *user* involved in it21:38
slickymasteryes, will you make the call for that in the m/l elfy?21:38
balloonsslickymaster, ideally by end of next week I think21:38
elfyif it is the last session I could possibly be about, but there's no way I'm running on my own21:39
elfyballoons: mmm - holy timing batman21:39
balloonsjust after release, haha!21:39
balloonsreally though, whenever, as long as it's before May 5th :-)21:39
elfywe're a small team and most of next week we'll be running about on that :(21:39
slickymasterthe idea balloons, is run a call on our m/l and see if we manage to get some/a user(s) to get himself involved21:40
balloonsslickymaster, yes that would be ideal I think21:41
elfythinking about it - a Q&A is going to be people asking how to deal with light locking ... 21:41
balloonsperhaps even pair up21:41
slickymasteryes21:41
elfy2 works, balloons helped me when I did some QA thing once21:41
knome1 works, but it's not nice.21:42
elfyyep21:42
balloonsyes.. 1 is like talking to yourself.. 3 or 4 is amazing and 2 is nice21:42
knomebtw, should we move on?21:42
elfyimo 3 would be the thing to aim at, 2 rabbiting, one backstage21:42
slickymasterright21:42
elfyknome: yep21:43
knomethis discussion tastes stale21:43
knomei even browsed the web during it :P21:43
slickymasterthere are no other items on the agenda, so I think that's it for this meeting21:43
knomeno21:43
knomei have other things to discuss :P21:43
slickymastershoot knome 21:44
elfynow? 21:44
elfyor later :p21:44
* pleia2 hands elfy a blaster21:44
knomeplease #topic Other discussions or sth21:44
micahgwe should just announce freezes21:44
knomeit has to be now21:44
slickymaster#topic Other discussions21:44
knomethanks21:44
knomeso basically,21:44
knomeversion 96 of the installer slideshow was released first of april.21:45
knomeafter that, some strings were changed for xubuntu21:46
knomesince the translations are handled via the upstream package, and there hasn't been any new release after that, the strings aren't translatable21:46
knomethis is OK as long as there will be no more ubiquity slideshow releases before the release21:46
ochosioh, so we're hoping no other team will want a release?21:47
knomewhich looks unlikely, since there has been some changes since that which i believe people want in21:47
ochosican't we just revert the changes - or are they badly needed?21:47
knomeso at this point, i'd actually propose to revert the change.21:47
knomethis way if there is a new upload, we're good21:48
ochosiwhat change is it specifically? or: what do we lose by reverting?21:48
knomelet me dig that up21:48
knomeit's not huge21:48
knomehttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html/revision/67721:49
knome(and tbe, this was before v96, but the translation templates weren't updated for that version...)21:49
ochosiright21:50
ochosihmm21:50
knomeit's an improvement, but not something that is worth the risk of breaking those two strings for all languages21:50
ochosii agree21:50
slickymasterme tto21:50
slickymastersighs21:50
slickymasterme too21:50
knomei'll revert this change tonight then21:51
elfyyep - ack that too 21:51
ochosithanks for handling that, knome 21:51
knomenp21:51
slickymasteryes, thanks21:51
slickymasteris that all?21:51
elfyone last thing after that21:51
slickymastergo ahead elfy 21:51
elfywe need to deal with 12.04 going EOL a few days after 15.04 release21:51
* micahg has one last thing as well21:52
knomei should be around for the rotating of the website21:52
* ochosi thought EOL actually meant *not* having to deal with it anymore..21:52
* slickymaster too21:52
elfyhow we going to deal with that? blog post and social media and a mail to Fridge or something? 21:52
ochosii think a brief blog post would be good21:52
ochosiplus social media21:52
knomeyes21:52
slickymasterĨ can take of the wiki occurences 21:53
ochosifridge is an option too21:53
knomeand rotate all outlets with information that talks about 12.0421:53
slickymaster* occurrences21:53
knomewe can probably get reposted to fridge21:53
knomepleia2, or?21:53
elfyochosi: I think probably Fridge needs to be done tbh21:53
elfyanyone can mail that 21:53
ochosik21:53
pleia2are we the only one going EOL?21:53
knomeno21:54
slickymastermicahg, you also have an item, right?21:54
micahgye21:54
knomepleia2, at least studio too21:55
knomepleia2, that might be it though.21:55
elfylubuntu was 18 months21:56
micahg#info Final Freeze tomorrow, Apr 16 at 21:00 UTC21:56
pleia2knome: I think this is a first for the community, so I'm just wondering if we could collaborate with others going EoL to propose an announcement for fridge21:56
knomezequence, ping21:56
micahg#info any last fixes that aren't RC for Xubuntu need to be in by then (preferably all the RC fixes as well)21:56
micahgknome: he disappeared for the night21:57
knomehe'll get back to it :)21:57
knomepleia2, sounds like a plan21:57
micahg#info final freeze for unseeded packages is sometime next Tuesday, anything that's not on any images can still get bugfixes until then21:57
knomeanybody WANTS to draft that announcement?21:57
elfyaction me for it 21:58
knome#action elfy to draft an EOL announcement (with other flavors)21:58
meetingologyACTION: elfy to draft an EOL announcement (with other flavors)21:58
knomeelfy, thanks - don't hesitate to ask me for help21:58
micahgoh, I'll do one last upload of xubuntu default settings since Launchpad has been kind enough to deposit translations there21:58
zequenceknome: pong21:58
knomezequence, see the last ~20 lines21:59
knomewell i guess 30-40ish21:59
zequenceWe21:59
knomeYou21:59
slickymastergreat micahg, thanks21:59
zequenceSorry. We've had a 5 year plan, but I guess we'll go EOL with you guys21:59
slickymasterdoes anyone else still have anything to discuss?22:00
elfynope22:00
knomezequence, i think i overtalked you to 3 years 3 years ago :)22:00
knomezequence, at least your release notes say 3...22:00
slickymaster#endmeeting22:00
meetingologyMeeting ended Wed Apr 15 22:00:36 2015 UTC.  22:00
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2015/xubuntu-devel.2015-04-15-21.01.moin.txt22:00
zequenceNo, that was for trusty, I believe22:00
zequenceI wasn't as involved in that 3 years ago22:01
elfy"Ubuntu Studio 12.04 LTS is a 5 year Long Term Support release and will be supported until April 2017. "22:01
knomeoh22:01
knomewhere did i read something different then.22:01
knomelet me dig that up.22:01
elfyanyway - I'm off now22:02
elfythanks slickymaster :)22:02
knome"Ubuntu Studio 12.04 LTS is a 3 year Long Term Support release and will be supported until April 2015. "22:02
knomehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio/UbuntuStudio-12.0422:02
micahg"Ubuntu Studio 12.04 LTS is a 5 year Long Term Support release and will be supported until April 2017. "22:02
micahghttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio22:02
zequenceHeh22:02
elfybut you missed pleia2 setting next meeting22:02
pleia2woo, no chairing22:02
slickymasteryeah, pleia2 ^^ 22:03
knomelinked to from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/12.0422:03
pleia2but seriously, I don't even know when we want to have the next meeting22:03
pleia2next week is no good because release, week after maybe we'll all be sleeping22:04
elfywell if we had one next week - I'll just be mithering about people testing - so best not :p22:04
elfypleia2: week after is UOS week 22:04
pleia2yeah22:04
knomeavoid that like plague22:04
micahgthere's a week in between22:04
knomei'm offline then22:04
pleia2oh, end of april week22:05
knomemicahg, that was the week we were sleeping22:05
pleia2yeah22:05
elfyanyway - I'm away now - night all :)22:05
knomenighty elfy 22:05
micahgI thought that was UOS week :p22:05
elfyLOL22:05
knomenope22:05
knomethat's the week after the sleepy one22:06
pleia2nah, that's when we wake up and have lots of work so UOS is hard22:06
ochosisry guys, was already falling asleep22:06
knomehaha22:06
ochosiheading to bed now, night22:06
slickymasterminutes are up22:06
pleia2night elfy and ochosi 22:06
slickymasternight elfy, ochosi 22:06
knomeok, took care of the slideshow thingy 22:16
slickymastergreat knome, thanks for that22:17
knomeagain np22:17
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