[06:22] <soee> good morning
[06:37] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:12] <soee> searching and rightclick on desktop work again :)
[07:13] <soee> using kubuntu without krunner was a pain -.-
[07:25] <Riddell> sgclark: ooh nice, well done :)
[07:27] <Riddell> 15 bugs to fix
[07:37] <sitter> Riddell: okteta build still read, workspace build still red
[07:39] <mustafam> Good morning, I am testing the latest beta with the latest updates, I had a crash in plasma, but when I press "Install Debug Symbols), I get "Could not find debug symbol packages for this application"
[08:08] <sitter> Riddell: reckon we should replace one patch with a slightly less awful patch?
[08:08] <sitter> https://github.com/sddm/sddm/commit/4ab6ab1b78617c51a6d9db4d03be2b3d75e7acc5
[08:08]  * sitter feels like we should just leave it as it is until next sddm release
[08:08] <sitter> or at least vivid+1 opens
[08:09] <valorie> is SDDM now starting for new installs?
[08:10] <valorie> without fiddling
[08:10] <lordievader> That would be nice ;)
[08:10] <valorie> to me that is one of the most important bugs to fix
[08:10] <sitter> it isn't?
[08:10] <soee> no sure, im on the same installation 
[08:10] <valorie> it wasn't
[08:10] <valorie> in teh beta
[08:11] <vip> hi ho
[08:11] <soee> valorie: check daily :)
[08:11] <soee> hiho vip
[08:11] <valorie> sorry, I don't have time to do that
[08:11] <soee> ;)
[08:11] <sitter> mh, the beta is like a month old :P
[08:11] <valorie> husband flew out today and I'm now a trail widow
[08:13] <mustafam> Now I installed plasma-workspace-dbg but it still lists /usr/bin/plasmashell with the list of files with no debug info
[08:14] <soee> hmm there was some other meta package to download debug symbols i think but can't remember what it was
[08:14] <soee> Riddell: ^
[08:18] <mustafam> I did 
[08:18] <mustafam> # dpkg -S /usr/bin/plasmashell
[08:18] <mustafam> plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/plasmashell
[08:18] <mustafam> so I installed plasma-workspace-dbg
[08:26] <Riddell> mustafam: try plasma-desktop-dbg too
[08:30] <mustafam> Downloading
[08:32] <soee> ther eis pretty nice breeze trheme for yakuake
[08:41] <mustafam> Riddell: Installing plasma-desktop-dbg didn't fix this
[08:57] <Riddell> mustafam: what's the problem? you don't have debug symbols? do you have any debug symbols?
[09:07] <Riddell> meh what is wrong with digikam?
[09:15]  * sitter thinks the installer simply doesn't manage to resolve the package
[09:42] <soee> if we remove korganizer (or kontact) - not sure what package adds entry to systray, this systray entry stays visible but does nothig as app was removed
[09:44] <Riddell> so remove it too :)
[09:48] <soee> this shoudl be done automagicaly
[10:01] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[10:05] <vip> hi
[10:05] <Riddell> freeze day!
[10:06] <Riddell> are you feeling cold?
[10:07] <BluesKaj> not yet Riddell :)
[10:09] <BluesKaj> <--- up early here, not quite insomnia , but close 
[10:12] <lordievader> Riddell: It's cold here... Yesterday sunny and warm. Today cloudy and cold... :(
[10:21] <Riddell> hoorah digikam was just missing a .install file not in bzr
[10:31] <soee> ;-R
[10:47] <mustafam> Riddell: Sorry for going, Internet disconnected
[10:47] <mustafam> About the debug packages?
[10:55] <Riddell> mustafam: pastebin the backtrack you have and we'll see what's missing
[11:32] <ovidiu-florin> hello sexy people
[11:32] <soee> hiho
[11:33] <soee> Riddell: applications 15.04 will land in vivd before release ?
[11:33] <soee> *vivid
[11:34] <mparillo> ovidiu-florin: In my imagination, once upon a time I could have replied back, but clearly your greeting was not for me.
[11:34] <ovidiu-florin> mparillo: why not?
[11:35] <ovidiu-florin> anyone can be sexy
[11:35] <Riddell> soee: no it's backports material and still needs a lot of work although sgclark did great stuff yesterday http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_15.04.0_vivid.html
[11:36] <soee> ha :-) so vivd will gets all the best (Plasma 5.3 + apps 15.04) after its release :)
[11:36] <soee> *get
[11:37] <Riddell> gosh ubuntu unity live image just gives me a login screen I can't log into today, I guess that's what happens if you only do automated testing
[11:40] <soee> i see a lot of devs work on some small screens laptops etc. hwo can you work liek that ? :)
[11:44] <yofel> we like flexibility ;P
[11:45] <sebas> very small pixels :)
[11:45]  * sebas has quite simply good eyes
[11:45]  * BluesKaj avoids ovidiu-florin's  look
[11:45] <soee> sebas: but it leads to problems with eyes no ? :)
[11:46] <ovidiu-florin> BluesKaj: ha?
[11:46] <sebas> no, only if you force something, never take breaks, etc.
[11:46] <sebas> if you have to bend forward all the time, your back's going to hurt at some point
[11:47] <BluesKaj> <- old 
[11:47] <sebas> the problem with "bad eyes" is really the problem to focus on something relatively close all the time, that's why looking out of the window (or at least focusing the eyes further away) regularly is important
[11:47] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: do you think the website can be ready for next thursday?
[11:49] <BluesKaj> sebas, yes, i can't use my laptop for extended periods of time, these old eyes begin to blur things
[11:49] <ovidiu-florin> I'll tinker with the team page today and meanwhile I'll ping jose
[11:49] <ovidiu-florin> and hope soee can help me with the image optimizations
[11:50] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin :)
[11:50] <soee> ovidiu-florin: onyl thing we can do is to pass them through some script that will compress them a bit and remove not needed stuff, than use lazy laoding on website
[11:51] <ovidiu-florin> soee: I still think lazy load is not a good improvement
[11:51] <soee> it is
[11:51] <ovidiu-florin> but that image optimization, can you please take care of htat?
[11:51] <mustafam> The laptop died after waking from sleep :( , I'll post the backtrace next time.
[11:52] <ovidiu-florin> that's a terrible way to die
[11:52] <soee> ovidiu-florin: http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/10-best-image-optimization-plugins-to-speed-up-your-wordpress-site/
[11:52] <mustafam> I have another problem, on a fresh install, pppoe doesn't work out-of-the-box
[11:53] <mustafam> I have to install pppoe package
[11:53] <mustafam> some problem with newer NM not working with ppp
[11:53] <mustafam> *with ppp only
[11:53] <soee> ovidiu-florin: tehy offer functionality to optimize already uplaoded photos and those that will be uploaded
[11:53] <ovidiu-florin> on my brother's laptop, (Acer Aspire) after installation and Updates, doesn't boot anymore
[11:53] <mustafam> I think we should include it in the default install
[11:54] <ovidiu-florin> soee: I'm at work right now, can you put that in a trello card?
[11:58] <mustafam> I talked about this NM pppoe problem previously on IRC, also on kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[11:59] <mustafam> But not a good bug report, I thought I should ask here first.
[12:00] <soee> ovidiu-florin: done
[12:00] <ovidiu-florin> soee: thank you
[12:05] <mustafam> Riddell: New NM doesn't work with ppp, requires pppoe binary, I think pppoe should be added to the default install, what do you think?
[12:08]  * Riddell looks
[12:09] <Riddell> mustafam: what's that for? 3g card or something?
[12:10] <Riddell> isn't pppoe only for an adsl modem?
[12:11] <mustafam> We use it for Broadband, I think it is used for DSL too.
[12:12] <mustafam> It used to work until recent versions of NM that require pppoe binary, not only ppp
[12:15] <Riddell> cyphermox: do you know if that's true? should network-manager recommend pppoe ?
[12:15] <Riddell> ↑
[12:16] <mustafam> I think this is the commit
[12:16] <mustafam> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/commit/?h=nm-0-9-10&id=7955806a02db64b20079267743056d7d9d45af3b
[12:30] <Riddell> cyphermox: I tidied up the oem bug a little, bug 1413521 for showing the folderview, bug 1444980 for it not being installed at all and bug 1444967 for it not working on ubuntu unity
[12:30] <sgclark> morning
[12:32] <Riddell> hi sgclark!
[12:33] <BluesKaj> 'Morning sgclark
[12:54] <lordievader> Hey sgclark 
[13:45] <cyphermox> Riddell: NM> well, if configure says so...
[13:46] <cyphermox> Riddell: please just don't straight upload to the release, I'm working on some other fixes in a CI train silo..
[13:46] <cyphermox> Riddell: for the oem bug; it seemed to work here for unity?
[13:46] <Riddell> cyphermox: ubiquity-dm didn't load on virtualbox for me when in oem mode
[13:47] <cyphermox> interesting
[13:47] <cyphermox> I haven't done much testing in vbox, perhaps I'll get to it today
[13:47] <cyphermox> did the reboot/eject/press enter thing work in your testing?
[13:49] <Riddell> cyphermox: not recently no
[13:49] <cyphermox> ah?
[13:50] <cyphermox> might be broken because vbox still though :/
[13:50] <cyphermox> I'll give unity a shot after I install vbox here
[14:28] <Riddell> "Michał Zając (quintasan) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu
[14:28] <Riddell> Members (kubuntu-members) team until 2016-04-22."
[14:28] <Riddell> yay queuebot still loves us
[14:33] <shadeslayer> queuebot ... ahaha
[14:33] <yofel> ^^
[15:15] <santa_> sitter: hi, I have seen your mail about the Vcs fields, I think I can offer you an script to add the vcs fields if there aren't any
[15:17] <sitter> santa_: I think I got them all sorted earlier today
[15:25] <santa_> sitter: ok
[16:52] <jose> ovidiu-florin: you pinged me?
[17:40] <Quintasan> I feel botish now
[17:40] <Quintasan> ;_l
[17:40] <Quintasan> ;_;
[17:40] <ovidiu-florin> jose: heeeeey
[17:40] <ovidiu-florin> I missed yu
[17:40] <ovidiu-florin> you*
[17:40]  * jose is getting ready to leave in 2m
[17:41] <ovidiu-florin> how are you
[17:41] <ovidiu-florin> oh
[17:41] <ovidiu-florin> when are you comming back?
[17:41] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: there were some problems with the kernel?
[17:41] <ovidiu-florin> I keep seeing it in the Vivid updates
[17:42] <ovidiu-florin> jose: ^^^
[17:42] <jose> ovidiu-florin: in around 6 hours
[17:42] <ovidiu-florin> I'll do something about the team page and the pictures today and tomorrow
[17:42] <ovidiu-florin> do you thing we can do the migration, or at least start it this weekend?
[17:42] <ovidiu-florin> jose: ^
[17:43] <jose> yes
[17:43] <jose> sure
[17:43] <ovidiu-florin> ok, I'll ping you when I'm done
[17:43] <ovidiu-florin> who else is here?
[17:48] <ovidiu-florin> sgclark: are you around?
[17:48] <sgclark> ovidiu-florin: sorta, whats up?
[17:48] <ovidiu-florin> kfunk: are you around?
[17:49] <ovidiu-florin> I have an idea
[17:49] <ovidiu-florin> and I want to try it out
[17:49] <ovidiu-florin> I want to screencast while developing the Kubutnu site, or other KDE applications
[17:49] <ovidiu-florin> make some kind of series
[17:49] <ovidiu-florin> this can be good for promotion
[17:50] <ovidiu-florin> and also to colaborate with whomever wan't to join in
[17:50] <ovidiu-florin> soee: ping
[17:50] <ovidiu-florin> what do you guys think?
[17:50] <ovidiu-florin> good or bad idea?
[17:50] <ovidiu-florin> or horrible, don't touch it with a 100 meter stick
[17:51] <sgclark> not entirely familiar with screen cast.. is that like camera one while working or?
[17:51] <Sho_> make sure you get a proper microphone
[17:52] <ovidiu-florin> for the pilot, I'll just go with what I have
[17:52] <ovidiu-florin> Sho_: ^
[17:52] <ovidiu-florin> sgclark: I capture my screen and possibly me
[17:53] <sgclark> sure it is a good idea, but I am with Sho_ it has to be good quality.
[17:55] <ovidiu-florin> I agree
[17:55] <ovidiu-florin> I'll use the best I have, for now
[17:56] <ovidiu-florin> and if this get's any audience, I'll invest more in it
[17:56] <ovidiu-florin> would you guys like to be in my first?
[17:56] <sgclark> I simply don't have time - I rarely get to seep atm, I am truly sorry
[17:57] <sgclark> s/seep/sleep/
[17:57] <kubotu> sgclark meant: "I simply don't have time - I rarely get to sleep atm, I am truly sorry"
[18:00] <santa_> sgclark: hey, I'm working on apps 15.04.0 for siduction, I might send you some simple patches to the mailing list
[18:07] <ovidiu-florin> so, here it goes: https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/ces84ffh9dlffeqqlvi9kssb2ig
[18:24] <ovidiu-florin> where is Rick?
[18:30] <Riddell> busy making video podcasts about the eu I think
[18:36] <sgclark> okies
[18:41] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: did I miss that hangout?
[18:43] <ahoneybun> Riddell: 
[18:43] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: do you want to join in?
[18:43] <ahoneybun> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08oImP7PJLo
[18:50] <sgclark> Riddell: hmm, I am I correct in thinking kdelibs and kdepim family will still be around for a long while and at that old version branch? if so we need to do a check for those and update to the correct version. This is alot of more work that could be prevented :( what do you think?
[18:51] <Riddell> sgclark: kdelibs will be around for ages, kdepim may get a kf5 version in 4 months, or it may not, who knows
[18:51] <Riddell> but yes they should be packaged too
[18:51] <sgclark> well yeah I have packaged them and uploaded
[18:52] <sgclark> the problem is all these apps are looking for version 15.04
[18:52] <sgclark> which does not exist
[18:53] <Riddell> oh the something needs changed in the scripts to not update those build-deps
[18:53] <sgclark> the update dev packages function could just do another check for those and update according me thinks
[18:54] <sgclark> I will take a look at some point before the next batch of apps
[18:55] <Riddell> there's a bunch of tweaks needed to kubuntu-initial-upload to make it smoother
[18:57] <sgclark> yeah, better error handling for one lol
[18:57] <sgclark> nothing like getting through a bunch of jobs and it barfing lol
[19:05] <ovidiu-florin> soee: are you here?
[19:05] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn7A6ELikH4
[19:09] <soee> ovidiu-florin: hi, i have som work atm
[20:41] <santa_> sgclark: I can offer you an script to fix the kdelibs5-dev version, so with a few commands you could get it fixed for all the appliction packages and save time
[20:50] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: it died
[20:52] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: I thought so
[20:52] <ahoneybun> the team page is in html not json
[20:52] <ovidiu-florin> it is now
[20:52] <ovidiu-florin> I removed the json
[20:53] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[20:54] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: I've sent you a PM
[20:55]  * ovidiu-florin goes to zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[20:55] <ovidiu-florin> good night Humans
[20:55] <ovidiu-florin> and bots (kubotu)
[21:16] <santa_> sgclark: mail sent to kubuntu-devel with a proposed idea to fix the kdelibs5-dev versions without much pain
[21:16] <santa_> hope it helps
[21:57]  * ahoneybun is sad to see no rss plasmoid
[21:57] <valorie> ahoneybun: write one?
[21:57] <valorie> or port the old one
[22:23] <sgclark> Riddell: ok well next-stage2 PPA is full... which explains why all my stuff is being rejected.
[22:29] <valorie> can you empty it of old junk, sgclark?
[22:31] <sgclark> valorie: it does not have New release availabe which old stuff usually does. I don't feel comfortable making that call as it has got me in trouble in the past.
[22:34] <valorie> seems like the euro-folks are all off for the night
[22:34] <valorie> I'm about to leave to have dinner with my son before the KDE meetup tonight
[22:37] <sgclark> aww I wanna KDE meetup lol
[22:38] <sgclark> anyway no worries got enough kde stuff to keep me busy..
[22:43] <soee> :)
[22:53] <ahoneybun> valorie: were you the one who reported that bug about the web page plasmoid?
[23:05] <soee> ahoneybun: it was me
[23:30] <ahoneybun> soee: I saw a update that installed the package needed for it, and it looks like it works now
[23:32] <soee> ahoneybun: yes Riddell fixed it