[02:26] <gassho> What and how respectively, do I edit a script, and how I edit it, so that I don't have to deal with a difficult touchpad?
[02:27] <holstein> well, i can say how..
[02:27] <gassho> *how do I edit it
[02:27] <holstein> you likely are having permissions issue? so, "sudo nano /path/ton/config" will allow you to edit
[02:27] <gassho> It's doc'd?
[02:27] <holstein> but what, though.. thats different
[02:28] <holstein> gassho: thats the issue.. the "documenation" would ideally be provided by the creators of the hardware
[02:28] <holstein> since, they likely dont officially support linux, then, you can have a challenging time, potentially
[02:28] <gassho> Sorry.  I have a certain articulation with communication :/
[02:28] <gassho> It messes me up if I don't manually disable it.
[02:29] <holstein> what would i do? personally, i'll grab a live iso, and experiement.. i'll actually try quite a few live iso's.. i want to see different kernels and modules on the hardware
[02:29] <gassho> So!  I need to manually edit a script instead so that it doesn't function.
[02:29] <holstein> if its a particulally challenging piece of hardware, i may disable it in the bios, and just replace it, with something different..
[02:29] <gassho> I got a mouse right here.
[02:29] <gassho> Muhahahahahahaha >:3
[02:29] <holstein> otherwise, i will search "linux" with the hardware im trying to deal with.. could be, there is an "easy fix" by adding an xorg.conf file, or, who knows
[02:30] <holstein> or, it could be, the device wont *ever* work easily, or stable in linux
[02:30] <gassho> I did it before so I know it can.
[02:31] <gassho> http://askubuntu.com/questions/530937/how-can-i-disable-touchpad-while-typing-in-ubuntu-14-04 this shows promise.  Thanks again #lubuntu :D fare well.
[02:31] <holstein> gassho: farewell?
[02:31] <gassho> Yes that too.
[02:32] <gassho> I wish that you enjoy wellness, all of you.  And I'm gonna go edit something and pray it doesn't explode.  Ciao!
[02:32] <holstein> gassho: im not clear on what you are saying, but, if you are leaving the channel, i wont volunteer any  more assistance.. is that the case? or, would you like for me to view the link you gave?
[02:33] <gassho> We could investigate it together sure.  But that link doesn't seem viable to instruct me on how to disable my bandit touchpad.
[02:34] <gassho> However I think I'll just practice proper ergonomics hehe...
[02:35] <holstein> gassho: disable in the bios
[02:35] <holstein> but, it seems you are just wanting to diable while typing?
[02:36] <gassho> No that makes the little bastard even more insidiously frustrating.  How do you disable a device in the BIOS?
[02:36] <holstein> gassho: i dont know that you can, but, i would start there.. that would disable system  wide
[02:37] <holstein> otherwise, you can "blacklist" the touchpad, likely
[02:37] <holstein> !blacklist
[02:39]  * gassho cries...
[02:40] <holstein> gassho: the blacklist would be what i would do if there is no bios off setting, or, switch on the machine's keyboard
[02:40] <gassho> How do I disable it during typing?
[02:46] <gassho> Would editing BIOS require a reboot?
[02:47] <holstein> gassho: yes.. you would reboot, and look in the bios settings *before* the operating system boots
[02:47] <holstein> gassho: but, that is for disablinng the touchpad completely
[02:47] <gassho> Awrite!  AFK.
[02:47] <holstein> gassho: what do you want? the touchpad off? or off while typing only?
[02:47] <gassho> disabled in bios, completely offline
[02:48] <holstein> sure.. so, your link you gave is *not* for that
[02:48] <holstein> its for disabling the touchpad while typing
[04:29] <utu8o> why does linux result in such poor battery life for laptops/netbooks when compared to Windows?
[04:30] <holstein> utu8o: support
[04:30] <utu8o> ?
[04:31] <holstein> utu8o: typically, the creators of the hardware hire, for example, a team of professionals to write software drivers, and test, and work with issues specific to the hardware such as battery life
[04:32] <holstein> when we take that machine, and run another operating system on there, that time has not been spent on that os, and the information to support that functionality may not be available
[04:32] <holstein> think of it this way.. nothing about linux is preventing the battery from lasting longer.. but, imagine what it would take to facilitate it being as good as it is in windows..
[04:32] <utu8o> so basically linux distros will always have poor battery life?
[04:33] <ianorlin> utu8o: not always
[04:33] <ianorlin> mine last sort of long in linux with powertop to tune it
[04:33] <holstein> utu8o: no.. *if* any company wants, such as with android phones, they can support linux, the same as most support windows now
[04:33] <utu8o> can't desktop distros take battery efficient code from Android or something?
[04:33] <ianorlin> utu8o: it would have to be for the hardware specifically for power managment features
[04:34] <utu8o> o
[04:34] <holstein> the hardware is ARM on android, typically, but, any company can choose to support linux. all of linux and ubuntu is open, and easily available for any company to support
[04:35] <ianorlin> utu8o: althogh lower screen brightness can help with battery life
[05:12] <Kamilion> utu8o: android's design is also fundamentally different than the normal GNU userspace. They try their hardest to keep state serialized so the application code can be paused or terminated at any time.
[05:13] <Kamilion> they also have kernel features like ashmem and the binder
[05:14] <Kamilion> the linux community is taking the concepts built in android and looking at how they can be generalized and applied to a wider set of cases.
[05:15] <Kamilion> if android wants to come on board with what 'we' come up with, that's cool, if not, that's cool too. The ocean is far more than big enough.
[05:16] <Kamilion> I happen to have some pretty good battery life on my linux 'desktop' devices; but that's because I know my hardware well and know it's level of support before I purchase it.
[05:17] <Kamilion> and I go with vendors like asus that have either sold and shipped linux powered devices now or in the past, or have some sort of support structure for dealing with the major linuxes (RHEL/Cent support is normally good enough to call debubntu 'supported' too)
[09:58] <LubuntuUser> hello folks
[09:59] <LubuntuUser> my dongle  used to work fine, but now I can see wifi but cannot connect....
[10:00] <LubuntuUser> anyone can help?
[10:01] <LubuntuUser> are u there people?
[13:49] <position> hi
[13:49] <position> which linux is similar to lubuntu but lighter?
[13:56] <zy3pD> How is Lubuntu one week before 15.04? :)
[14:09] <gsilva> position, there's no lighter version than lubuntu
[15:01] <holstein> position: you can always just install ubuntu, from mini, and add what you like
[15:01] <holstein> !Mini
[15:02] <holstein> ubuntuserver is arguably "lighter" for example, but, has no GUI.. it really depends on your needs
[15:02] <position> !mini
[15:04] <holstein> lubuntu is just ubuntu with lxde, and either lxde works for your needs, or not.. there are "lighter" options, but, they all would present compromises, in comparison to a traditional desktop environment
[15:04] <holstein> nothing makes the hardware any faster/better.. its just a matter of utilizing the resources in a more appropriate way for one's needs..
[20:30] <position> now I will try to install lubuntu 15.04 to an atom netbook
[20:30] <position> I hope it will work
[20:30] <position> Now I create the live usb with rufus
[20:30] <ianorlin> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ is a good place to report results
[20:32] <position> well rufus makes very slow the conversion to live USB from iso file
[20:32] <position> I am still in 6%
[20:33] <ianorlin> position: not all usb are the same speed either
[20:33] <position> maybe it is slow the front usb port
[20:35] <ianorlin> yeah on my desktop I have a usb 3.0 port on the front
[20:48] <position> ianorlin do you think that lubuntu 15.04 will be good for a netbook? or it is not good option?
[20:49] <ianorlin> position: will run on it well but I don't personlaly use netbooks as they don't have many resources and I like lxde as an interface
[20:49] <ianorlin> there are still bugs and stuff so shouln't be for production really
[21:01] <position> rufus is still in 58%
[21:02] <position> is it too slow?
[21:02] <ianorlin> not sure I don't use rufus
[21:16] <position> well it said it was goog
[21:16] <position> good
[21:16] <position> now says it is 85%
[22:20] <Kamilion> position: using the i386 image?
[22:20] <position> υεσ
[22:21] <position> yes
[22:21] <Kamilion> k
[22:21] <position> it still says to wait
[22:21] <position> I dont know why it lasts so much
[22:21] <Kamilion> i figured out how to get efi32 to boot grub2 to boot a 64bit kernel on a lot of those Atoms
[22:22] <Kamilion> position: your USB stick is likely pretty slow.
[22:22] <Kamilion> sounds like 1MB/sec, about
[22:22] <Kamilion> reading it should be faster than writing it, by far.
[22:22] <position> well you use 64bit kernel in 32bit devices?
[22:23] <Kamilion> I do, on an intel bay trail Z3735F quad core.
[22:23] <Kamilion> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00REGG6QU/  <--- this one.
[22:23] <position> nice
[22:24] <position> my atom is old
[22:24] <Kamilion> many of them are 64bit instruction capable, but have a memory limit of 2GB or 4GB.
[22:24] <Kamilion> there are tradeoffs -- a 64bit kernel will use more memory for internal structures, so less will be available to applications.
[22:25] <Kamilion> but I am running primarily CPU bound tasks that do not require much memory.
[22:26] <Kamilion> being able to use the 64bit instruction Matrix Multiply is a huge benefit to my workload.