[04:38] <tbr> so is the process of getting those snap packages on a current image a nation state secret?
[04:38]  * tbr still hasn't found a way to sign or do disable the signature check
[08:36] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy High Five Day! :-D
[08:59] <ogra_> tbr, --allow-unauthenticated ... (as snappy install option)
[09:19] <tbr> ogra_: $ snappy-remote --url=ssh://192.168.122.121 --allow-unauthenticated install ./hello-world.canonical_1.0.5_all.snap
[09:19] <tbr> ogra_: unknown flag `allow-unauthenticated'
[09:19] <ogra_> oh, remote ... that i dont know ...
[09:20] <tbr> remote is what TFM tells me to use
[09:20]  * ogra_ just uses an ssh shell usually
[09:20] <ogra_> scp ... snappy install ...
[09:20] <tbr> ok, that I can try
[09:21] <tbr> the whole "forget everything you learned about package management and apt" thing makes me approach this from TFM side, instead of trying random things
[09:21] <ogra_> yeah, but everyone is busy ... the manuals are often a bit behind and updated last once a feature works
[09:22] <ogra_> and alongside, everyone is at a sprint in US TZ
[09:22] <ogra_> which doesnt make IRC actually a good place this week
[09:22] <ogra_> (for support)
[09:22]  * tbr mumbles something about potemkin villages and goe sto figure this out the hard way
[09:23] <tbr> ubuntu@localhost:~$ snappy --allow-unauthenticated install /tmp/hello-world.canonical_1.0.5_all.snap
[09:23] <tbr> unknown flag `allow-unauthenticated'
[09:24] <tbr> this is from inside the image
[09:24] <tbr> Name        Date       Version Developer
[09:24] <tbr> ubuntu-core 2015-04-10 146
[09:24] <ogra_> i think install needs to come first
[09:24] <tbr> ok, now it asks for root, progress
[09:25] <tbr> yay. it installed.
[09:25] <ogra_> \o/
[09:27] <tbr> so I guess the only way to get something workable is to toss out snappy-remote and reinvent the wheel with a wrapper script around scp and "ssh ubuntu@foo sudo snappy install --allow-unauthenticated $bar"?
[09:27] <ogra_> yeah, i think there is a bug open for that somewhere
[09:27] <tbr> yes, I found it and it was not helpful
[09:28] <ogra_> bug 1443676
[09:28] <ogra_> bah, no bot ?
[09:28] <tbr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy-ubuntu/+bug/1443676
[09:28] <ogra_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1443676
[09:28] <ogra_> heh
[09:28] <ogra_> *snap*
[09:28] <ogra_> :P
[09:28] <tbr> :>
[13:33]  * dholbach hugs davidcalle
[13:33] <davidcalle> :-)
[13:33] <davmor2> davidcalle: if dholbach said and maybe jump off a cliff....... ;)
[13:34] <davmor2> davidcalle: on a more serious note \o/
[13:34] <davidcalle> davmor2, I would... I would not... that's a hard question, I trust him! :p
[13:35] <davmor2> davidcalle: hahaha :)
[13:37] <davidcalle> dholbach, are there install instructions for the raspi2 we could include in /install? (I know it's an image ready to burn, but we should probably have a small something)
[13:41] <dholbach> davidcalle, not yet - I'll find out more though
[13:44] <dholbach> davidcalle, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/snappy-devel/2015-April/000463.html
[13:44] <dholbach> I'll talk to lool- once I see him around here
[13:44] <dholbach> and see if the instructions are going to get any more official
[13:44] <dholbach> the great thing is that all devices which have oem snaps in the store can just use ubuntu-device-flash to have their image created on the fly
[13:45] <dholbach> so we can at some stage just have a big table with instructions for lots of different devices :)
[13:45] <lool-> dholbach: had to step out for a call sorry
[13:45] <dholbach> lool-, no worries
[13:47] <davidcalle> dholbach, thanks
[13:47] <davidcalle> lool, hey :)
[13:48] <dholbach> davidcalle, I'll note down to add a table to install/devices (or shall we call it start/devices)?
[13:48] <dholbach> sorry start/things
[13:48] <lool> davidcalle: heya
[13:48] <lool> davidcalle: how goes?
[13:49] <davidcalle> dholbach, start/devices sounds great to me
[13:49] <davidcalle> lool, all is well, you?
[13:50] <dholbach> davidcalle, I think dpm wanted to call it things (just like ubuntu.com/things)
[13:50] <dholbach> but yeah, I'll rename the 'install' section to 'start'
[13:51] <dholbach> that'll also set the direction for the /start
[13:51] <dholbach> we could add content like "hey, install the ppa" first because it's going to be relevant for everything else
[13:52] <lool> davidcalle: well well
[13:52] <davidcalle> dholbach, +1
[13:55] <dholbach> cool, I'll start work on this in half an hour or something
[14:17] <mterry> jdstrand, did that framework bug get fixed?
[14:19] <mterry> asac, can I be in ~snappy-dev?
[14:19] <jdstrand> mterry: it is supposed to be in 0.3.7. I got a report that it may not be, however the 'snaps don't specify release framework' work that landed means there is another bug now
[14:19] <jdstrand> I'm looking at it now
[14:19] <mterry> jdstrand, OK.  So I should continue not to specify a framework  :)
[14:20] <jdstrand> for now-- don't update your image just yet either :)
[14:20] <jdstrand> mterry: I suggest not upgrading and not specifying the framework for now. hopefully be eod you can do both
[14:21] <mterry> jdstrand, gotcha.  Can you ping me when I can?  I'd like to publish instructions for using the scripts today, and that would be a nice bug to not have to mention
[14:21] <jdstrand> sure
[14:21] <mterry> thx!
[14:22] <slangasek> dholbach: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/image-channels/ - I don't think so; particularly as our "channel" nomenclature is meant to be changing
[14:29] <dholbach> slangasek, right... it'd be still good if we could come up with something like that... even if we have to change it
[14:30] <slangasek> asac: ^^ you said sabdfl had some guidance about the use of edge (devel-proposed) vs. alpha (devel)?  What is our messaging around channels for 15.04?
[14:31] <slangasek> dholbach: btw, how do I submit changes to https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/image-channels/ since most of the channels listed there also need to be deprecated? ;-)
[14:33] <dholbach> slangasek, if you want, I can give you access to the site, or a bug on developer-ubuntu-com will do as well
[14:43] <slangasek> dholbach: thanks, filing that in my brain for later - the channel schema needs to really be changed on the server first before we make the changes to the website
[14:43] <ogra_> and in peoples brains :)
[14:43] <ogra_> which is the harder part i guess ...
[14:47] <dholbach> thanks slangasek
[15:02] <volkrass> Can somebody point me to correct version of ubuntu-device-flash what support the oem flag
[15:03] <volkrass> I tried out this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/snappy-devel/2015-April/000463.html
[15:04] <volkrass> But I got message: unknown flag `oem' when I try reproduce what Loic did.
[15:04] <volkrass> Any hints for me?
[20:56] <jdstrand> Chipaca: http://people.canonical.com/~jamie/snappy/test-snap-foo-framework_1.3_all.snap
[21:07] <Chipaca> jdstrand: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10835145/
[22:06] <sergiusens> jdstrand: kickinz1 https://gist.github.com/sergiusens/8d4d2b99b2e5d87c7a50
[22:07] <kickinz1> sergiusens, Thanks!
[22:52] <sergiusens> Chipaca: https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/goget-ubuntu-touch/catchupToInstall/+merge/256602
[23:10] <sergiusens> Chipaca: https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/goget-ubuntu-touch/tarmac/+merge/256604