| didrocks | good morning | 06:01 |
|---|---|---|
| seb128 | hey didrocks&desktopers | 06:33 |
| didrocks | re seb128 | 06:35 |
| larsu | morning! | 06:55 |
| seb128 | hey larsu willcooke | 06:57 |
| willcooke | morning gents | 06:57 |
| didrocks | hey larsu, willcooke! | 06:58 |
| larsu | hi didrocks, seb128, willcooke (alphabetically) | 06:59 |
| didrocks | was clearly the preference order, I know it! :) | 07:00 |
| * larsu provides no further comment | 07:00 | |
| TheMuso | Hey folks. :) | 07:01 |
| larsu | morning TheMuso! | 07:04 |
| didrocks | hey TheMuso | 07:04 |
| seb128 | hey TheMuso | 07:07 |
| willcooke | g'night TheMuso | 07:56 |
| TheMuso | willcooke: Later. :) | 07:57 |
| * Laney joins the hello fest | 08:03 | |
| willcooke | what up Laney | 08:08 |
| didrocks | hey hey Laney | 08:09 |
| Laney | tkamppeter: please could you commit that ptouch-driver update to debian git too? | 08:57 |
| willcooke | FJKong, ping. Are you still around? | 09:21 |
| FJKong | willcooke: here | 09:21 |
| willcooke | FJKong, can you join #community on Canonical server quickly? | 09:22 |
| FJKong | willcooke: no problem | 09:23 |
| willcooke | by which I mean, it won't take long, not that you need to join quickly | 09:23 |
| Laney | this is intriguing... | 09:23 |
| willcooke | Laney, feel free to join as well :) Just talking about release events for NUDT | 09:24 |
| Laney | haha | 09:25 |
| Laney | you deflated the excitement | 09:25 |
| willcooke | There is also the secret agenda items about how we can prevent the community from knowing about what internal development work we're doing | 09:26 |
| willcooke | but, oh know, I've said too much already | 09:26 |
| willcooke | *no | 09:26 |
| * Laney flashes the men in black thing | 09:26 | |
| willcooke | Phew - good job didrocks didnt hear that | 09:27 |
| didrocks | what? my compiz crashed because you remotely asked it for? :p | 09:30 |
| * didrocks is intriguated as well now… | 09:30 | |
| willcooke | I'm pulling your leg didrocks ;) | 09:36 |
| willcooke | I assume that translates perfectly | 09:36 |
| didrocks | willcooke: heh, I know about this expression (but yeah, no litteral translations in french) :) | 09:37 |
| didrocks | willcooke: but not worry, I'll still double check on http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/04/16/%23ubuntu-desktop.html :p | 09:37 |
| didrocks | (once it's refreshed) | 09:37 |
| didrocks | bash-completion isn't installed on the ubuntu core image -> /me sads | 09:37 |
| didrocks | sad* | 09:37 |
| Laney | good job we have a massive archi... wait | 09:39 |
| didrocks | hum, do we have a good client to read markdown docs? | 09:44 |
| didrocks | (this first giving a name starting with "e****" goes out :p) | 09:44 |
| Laney | that is what I use :( | 09:47 |
| Laney | on the extremely rare occasions that I write anything for the website | 09:47 |
| larsu | didrocks: isn't markdown supposed to be readable in plain text? | 09:48 |
| larsu | I thought that's the whole point of it | 09:49 |
| didrocks | larsu: yeah, but formatting! | 09:49 |
| Laney | I guess to check you got the syntax right? | 09:49 |
| Laney | use pandoc to convert it to html or something | 09:49 |
| didrocks | oh, nice idea | 09:49 |
| larsu | didrocks: pass it through a converter and look at it in a browser? | 09:49 |
| larsu | there's also something converting it to troff. man!!! | 09:49 |
| didrocks | ahah | 09:50 |
| didrocks | thanks guys, I will go that road! | 09:50 |
| larsu | if you're editing, I hear gnome-builder is really nice for that (split pane life preview thing) | 09:50 |
| larsu | I think I would find that annoying though... too many things moving on the screen and all | 09:51 |
| didrocks | yeah, I have atom.io as well | 09:53 |
| didrocks | but this is kind heavy for just reading | 09:53 |
| didrocks | converting is the way then! | 09:53 |
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| larsu | Laney: did you see my mr for vanvugt's gtk patch? | 11:06 |
| Laney | larsu: yes, thanks - was hoping you and mclasen would agree on a patch for that scrolling problem so we can fix that too | 11:14 |
| larsu | Laney: I pinged him yesterday and he said he'd put it on his list. didn't sound very convincing | 11:18 |
| larsu | I have a patch that fixes it if you want that for now | 11:18 |
| larsu | it's a one-liner | 11:18 |
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| * larsu grabs something to eat | 11:22 | |
| Laney | larsu: Don't know, can wait for review | 11:25 |
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| larsu | ok | 11:39 |
| willcooke | lolz - email from a recruitment company, would we like them to find us some Sharepoint consultants? | 11:54 |
| willcooke | Think we're probably ok thx | 11:54 |
| ogra_ | dont say no ! as long as they wor for free :) | 11:55 |
| willcooke | :D | 11:56 |
| willcooke | They could sweep up round the office or something | 11:56 |
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| larsu | Laney: any idea why bug #1408721 happened? According to the changelog, we only started installing settings.ini with that release | 13:17 |
| ubot5 | bug 1408721 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu) "package libgtk-3-0 3.14.6-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite shared '/etc/gtk-3.0/settings.ini', which is different from other instances of package libgtk-3-0:i386" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1408721 | 13:18 |
| * larsu wonders if that file is necessary at all... | 13:18 | |
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| davmor2 | willcooke: imagine this if you will, coffee magically appears in your cup......now you want one sharepoint monkey right | 13:27 |
| willcooke | davmor2, lol :) | 13:27 |
| pitti | Good morning | 13:27 |
| seb128 | hey pitti! wie gehts? | 13:28 |
| willcooke | hey pitti | 13:28 |
| pitti | hey seb128, willcooke! | 13:28 |
| pitti | gut, danke! | 13:29 |
| pitti | und Euch? | 13:29 |
| seb128 | larsu, that error message suggests that the content of the file is different between the i386 and amd64 binaries? | 13:29 |
| didrocks | good morning pitti! | 13:29 |
| seb128 | pitti, auch gut, danke :-) | 13:29 |
| larsu | hi pitti! | 13:30 |
| larsu | seb128: not sure how that could happen. That file gets copied over from the debian directory into the shared package | 13:32 |
| seb128 | larsu, yeah, me neither... | 13:33 |
| larsu | I wonder why it's not in -common | 13:33 |
| nonyab | How can i make transfer my ubuntu on laptop with all my settings and apps to flashdrive for a portability so i can use it any where please | 13:35 |
| nonyab | kinda like casper xp does in windoz | 13:38 |
| willcooke | nonyab, hi there! This is mostly a development channel, you are best to ask in #ubuntu for support type questions | 13:45 |
| willcooke | nonyab, lots of folk in there will be able to help you | 13:45 |
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| nonyab | thanx willcooke | 14:02 |
| Laney | larsu: Can't think how that can be our bug - probably only if they've installed a non-Ubuntu (self built or PPA) package which stole our version namespace | 14:11 |
| larsu | Laney: so... close it? | 14:12 |
| Laney | did | 14:12 |
| Laney | well, Incomplete | 14:12 |
| larsu | oh thanks :) | 14:12 |
| larsu | Laney: oh, thanks for nagging on the --class bug again :) | 14:15 |
| Laney | he sounded open to doing something ... | 14:17 |
| larsu | ya | 14:18 |
| larsu | I wonder why he cares so much about something that he considers (for good reason) to be deprecated | 14:19 |
| larsu | it's not like this patch will be a huge maintenance burden | 14:19 |
| larsu | it does change behavior though, so ... | 14:20 |
| larsu | didn't we decide to disable deprecation warnings for the release? | 14:27 |
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| seb128 | larsu, nobody did the change I guess :-( | 14:39 |
| seb128 | we still can today? | 14:39 |
| larsu | do you want to? | 14:41 |
| * larsu thinks we should and can prepare a patch | 14:44 | |
| seb128 | yes, please | 14:49 |
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| larsu | seb128: (sorry, was out in the sun) Where's the packaging branch for glib? | 15:46 |
| larsu | lp:~ubuntu-desktop/glib/ubuntu is ooooold | 15:46 |
| seb128 | larsu, we don't have one I guess | 15:46 |
| seb128 | which tends to be the cases for packages we can often sync from Debian | 15:47 |
| seb128 | case | 15:47 |
| larsu | ah, ok | 15:47 |
| larsu | desrt: G_PARAM_DEPRECATED says it only issues warnings when run with G_ENABLE_DIAGNOSTIC, but nothing other than signal.c looks at that env var… | 15:49 |
| larsu | oh I'm blind, it does look at it, but the logic is inverted from what the docs say | 15:56 |
| larsu | seb128: I've attached a patch to bug #1430307 | 16:04 |
| ubot5 | bug 1430307 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "Deprecation warning should be turned off for release" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1430307 | 16:04 |
| larsu | but I guess this is something for Laney rather | 16:04 |
| seb128 | larsu, thanks, and yeah, but if Laney doesn't want to deal with it I can have a look as well | 16:04 |
| Laney | No I don't | 16:05 |
| larsu | uh oh | 16:06 |
| larsu | want to keep the warnings on? | 16:06 |
| Laney | Don't want to block it | 16:06 |
| Laney | Last cycle it was meant to be one time only | 16:07 |
| Laney | And it came via upstream then which made it more palatable | 16:07 |
| Laney | But you do it if you want | 16:07 |
| didrocks | seb128: larsu: I'm happy to have a look as well :) | 16:08 |
| didrocks | you know my opinion on this :p | 16:08 |
| seb128 | :-) | 16:08 |
| seb128 | Laney just hates on our users :p | 16:09 |
| didrocks | yeah, and developers should use G_ENABLE_DIAGNOSTIC=1 anyway (but we should made it maybe a little bit more clear) | 16:09 |
| larsu | Laney: right. But shit didn't get fixed last cycle... | 16:10 |
| larsu | spewing warnings doesn't help 99.999% of the people seeing them | 16:10 |
| larsu | and we'll get more bugs | 16:10 |
| Laney | Then get it fixed upstream for everyone | 16:10 |
| didrocks | even crazy security geeks like mdeslaur agrees! That should make you think about it Laney ;) | 16:10 |
| Laney | I'm not interested in rehashing 6 month old arguments BTW | 16:10 |
| seb128 | yeah, let's agree to disagree | 16:11 |
| didrocks | yep | 16:11 |
| didrocks | seb128: want to sponsor it or should I? (I'm about to leave, not sure if it will be ok by tomorrow with finale finale finale freeze) | 16:11 |
| * larsu carefully steps back from the keyboard and puts some money aside for Laney's beer in London | 16:11 | |
| seb128 | I understand Laney's fundamental position, in practice I think disabling those is a real world compromise which makes things better for our users though | 16:11 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I can do it | 16:11 |
| mdeslaur | didrocks: lol :) | 16:11 |
| didrocks | good! | 16:11 |
| didrocks | mdeslaur: ;) | 16:11 |
| didrocks | (and yeah, larsu spot it on) | 16:12 |
| * didrocks copies and pastes the exact sentence for the next 6 months | 16:12 | |
| seb128 | larsu, let me know when you have a patch and where, I can sponsor it | 16:15 |
| larsu | seb128: it's attached on the bug | 16:15 |
| seb128 | oh right, sorry, lost track ;-) | 16:15 |
| larsu | no worries :) | 16:15 |
| didrocks | seb128: see this guy, he's even not attaching a debdiff! | 16:16 |
| larsu | the fuck if I know how that works | 16:16 |
| didrocks | larsu: didn't you provide some in the past? :) | 16:16 |
| larsu | didrocks: I did, but always forget ;) | 16:16 |
| didrocks | seb128: germany is clearly not what it used to be… | 16:16 |
| didrocks | :) | 16:16 |
| seb128 | good that we have a team week next week | 16:16 |
| seb128 | we can remind larsu of things | 16:16 |
| didrocks | exactly! | 16:17 |
| * didrocks hugs larsu | 16:17 | |
| larsu | haa | 16:17 |
| * larsu hugs EVERYONE | 16:17 | |
| seb128 | /me hugs larsu back | 16:19 |
| seb128 | ups | 16:19 |
| seb128 | larsu, didrocks, Laney, uploaded | 16:20 |
| didrocks | /msg larsu see how seb128 doesn't know how to use IRC after 14 years? | 16:20 |
| didrocks | seb128: \o/ | 16:20 |
| seb128 | lol | 16:21 |
| didrocks | :p | 16:21 |
| didrocks | it's like Friday in the air! | 16:21 |
| larsu | seb128: thanks! | 16:22 |
| larsu | didrocks: LOL | 16:22 |
| Laney | seb128: did you see my link to the commit from last time? | 16:26 |
| Laney | oh, WTF, someone accepted it already | 16:27 |
| Laney | whatever | 16:28 |
| larsu | :( | 16:31 |
| didrocks | Laney: maybe we should ask for prioritizing having logs on those accepts/deny on launchpad side now that the buttons are client-side and not anymore on the server… | 16:36 |
| seb128 | Laney, I saw it/your comment, but I though it was just arguing in favor of pushing to commit that upstream, not something needed on our side for the upload | 16:36 |
| didrocks | even not for pointing guilt, but at least, to know who to talk to | 16:36 |
| Laney | seb128: I linked to how desrt did it last time which was different | 16:37 |
| seb128 | Laney, right, nothing in your comment suggested you though that was better though | 16:37 |
| seb128 | I've no strong opinion on one way or the other | 16:37 |
| seb128 | I'm happy to replace it by desrt's version if you prefer though | 16:38 |
| seb128 | -though | 16:38 |
| Laney | Nope, up to your judgement | 16:38 |
| seb128 | trusting larsu | 16:39 |
| larsu | it amounts to the same, no? The only difference is that with desrt's patch you can also do G_DISABLE_DIAGNOSTICS=Laney and they'll be turned on | 16:39 |
| * larsu doesn't care either way | 16:39 | |
| seb128 | if nobody cares then it's good enough like that | 16:39 |
| Laney | Correct | 16:40 |
| Laney | I'm going early | 16:40 |
| Laney | bye | 16:40 |
| * desrt blinks | 16:42 | |
| ogra_ | disco ! | 16:42 |
| desrt | untz untz | 16:42 |
| seb128 | Laney, have a good evening! | 16:42 |
| didrocks | vuntz vuntz | 16:43 |
| didrocks | see you Laney! | 16:43 |
| * didrocks waves good evening as well | 16:52 | |
| willcooke | l8r chaps | 17:06 |
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| mitya57 | desrt: what do you think about gnome #746592? | 17:31 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 746592 in gsettings "Support for per-session overrides" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746592 | 17:31 |
| desrt | interesting | 17:32 |
| mitya57 | I think that is the same as our lp: #1222053 | 17:33 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1222053 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "per-session gsettings overrides" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222053 | 17:33 |
| mitya57 | (but with patches) | 17:33 |
| desrt | but problematic... | 17:33 |
| mitya57 | --verbose please :) | 17:34 |
| desrt | there is no support for fallbacks here | 17:34 |
| desrt | like if XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP is MATE:GNOME or something | 17:34 |
| desrt | and then we find the MATE file first, which has one single mate-specific override | 17:34 |
| desrt | we won't go on to find the gnome overrides after that | 17:34 |
| mitya57 | According the the patch description we will... | 17:35 |
| desrt | the way i read it it adds the compiled schema it finds first, by priority order of the xdg_current_desktops | 17:35 |
| mitya57 | so yes, it is .../mate, then .../gnome, and finally the default directory | 17:36 |
| mitya57 | Is that wrong? | 17:36 |
| desrt | the problem is what happens when you find mate | 17:36 |
| mitya57 | Oh, I see what you mean | 17:37 |
| desrt | like imagine gnome has 10 overrides, but then mate has 1 override on top of it | 17:37 |
| desrt | you'll get the one, but miss the 10, even though you list MATE:GNOME in the variable | 17:37 |
| mitya57 | Yes, I got it, and that sounds fixable | 17:37 |
| mitya57 | Will you comment on that patch, or should I? | 17:37 |
| desrt | it's actually a very difficult problem | 17:37 |
| desrt | i'll comment | 17:37 |
| mitya57 | OK | 17:38 |
| desrt | the trouble is that you need to figure out what schema content gets included in each file | 17:38 |
| desrt | and there is not great support fort his level of granularity in the current compiler | 17:38 |
| desrt | particularly when schemas refer to each other | 17:38 |
| mitya57 | Hm, yes, it may be troublesome | 17:40 |
| mitya57 | desrt: Thanks for commenting! | 17:47 |
| desrt | sorry to rain on your parade :( | 17:47 |
| mitya57 | Well, this is a wishlist for me, not something very important :) | 17:48 |
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