[06:01] good morning [06:33] hey didrocks&desktopers [06:35] re seb128 [06:55] morning! [06:57] hey larsu willcooke [06:57] morning gents [06:58] hey larsu, willcooke! [06:59] hi didrocks, seb128, willcooke (alphabetically) [07:00] was clearly the preference order, I know it! :) [07:00] * larsu provides no further comment [07:01] Hey folks. :) [07:04] morning TheMuso! [07:04] hey TheMuso [07:07] hey TheMuso [07:56] g'night TheMuso [07:57] willcooke: Later. :) [08:03] * Laney joins the hello fest [08:08] what up Laney [08:09] hey hey Laney [08:57] tkamppeter: please could you commit that ptouch-driver update to debian git too? [09:21] FJKong, ping. Are you still around? [09:21] willcooke: here [09:22] FJKong, can you join #community on Canonical server quickly? [09:23] willcooke: no problem [09:23] by which I mean, it won't take long, not that you need to join quickly [09:23] this is intriguing... [09:24] Laney, feel free to join as well :) Just talking about release events for NUDT [09:25] haha [09:25] you deflated the excitement [09:26] There is also the secret agenda items about how we can prevent the community from knowing about what internal development work we're doing [09:26] but, oh know, I've said too much already [09:26] *no [09:26] * Laney flashes the men in black thing [09:27] Phew - good job didrocks didnt hear that [09:30] what? my compiz crashed because you remotely asked it for? :p [09:30] * didrocks is intriguated as well now… [09:36] I'm pulling your leg didrocks ;) [09:36] I assume that translates perfectly [09:37] willcooke: heh, I know about this expression (but yeah, no litteral translations in french) :) [09:37] willcooke: but not worry, I'll still double check on http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/04/16/%23ubuntu-desktop.html :p [09:37] (once it's refreshed) [09:37] bash-completion isn't installed on the ubuntu core image -> /me sads [09:37] sad* [09:39] good job we have a massive archi... wait [09:44] hum, do we have a good client to read markdown docs? [09:44] (this first giving a name starting with "e****" goes out :p) [09:47] that is what I use :( [09:47] on the extremely rare occasions that I write anything for the website [09:48] didrocks: isn't markdown supposed to be readable in plain text? [09:49] I thought that's the whole point of it [09:49] larsu: yeah, but formatting! [09:49] I guess to check you got the syntax right? [09:49] use pandoc to convert it to html or something [09:49] oh, nice idea [09:49] didrocks: pass it through a converter and look at it in a browser? [09:49] there's also something converting it to troff. man!!! [09:50] ahah [09:50] thanks guys, I will go that road! [09:50] if you're editing, I hear gnome-builder is really nice for that (split pane life preview thing) [09:51] I think I would find that annoying though... too many things moving on the screen and all [09:53] yeah, I have atom.io as well [09:53] but this is kind heavy for just reading [09:53] converting is the way then! === victorp_ is now known as victorp [11:06] Laney: did you see my mr for vanvugt's gtk patch? [11:14] larsu: yes, thanks - was hoping you and mclasen would agree on a patch for that scrolling problem so we can fix that too [11:18] Laney: I pinged him yesterday and he said he'd put it on his list. didn't sound very convincing [11:18] I have a patch that fixes it if you want that for now [11:18] it's a one-liner === davidcalle_ is now known as davidcalle [11:22] * larsu grabs something to eat [11:25] larsu: Don't know, can wait for review === alan_g is now known as alan_g|gone [11:39] ok [11:54] lolz - email from a recruitment company, would we like them to find us some Sharepoint consultants? [11:54] Think we're probably ok thx [11:55] dont say no ! as long as they wor for free :) [11:56] :D [11:56] They could sweep up round the office or something === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [13:17] Laney: any idea why bug #1408721 happened? According to the changelog, we only started installing settings.ini with that release [13:18] bug 1408721 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu) "package libgtk-3-0 3.14.6-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite shared '/etc/gtk-3.0/settings.ini', which is different from other instances of package libgtk-3-0:i386" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1408721 [13:18] * larsu wonders if that file is necessary at all... === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:27] willcooke: imagine this if you will, coffee magically appears in your cup......now you want one sharepoint monkey right [13:27] davmor2, lol :) [13:27] Good morning [13:28] hey pitti! wie gehts? [13:28] hey pitti [13:28] hey seb128, willcooke! [13:29] gut, danke! [13:29] und Euch? [13:29] larsu, that error message suggests that the content of the file is different between the i386 and amd64 binaries? [13:29] good morning pitti! [13:29] pitti, auch gut, danke :-) [13:30] hi pitti! [13:32] seb128: not sure how that could happen. That file gets copied over from the debian directory into the shared package [13:33] larsu, yeah, me neither... [13:33] I wonder why it's not in -common [13:35] How can i make transfer my ubuntu on laptop with all my settings and apps to flashdrive for a portability so i can use it any where please [13:38] kinda like casper xp does in windoz [13:45] nonyab, hi there! This is mostly a development channel, you are best to ask in #ubuntu for support type questions [13:45] nonyab, lots of folk in there will be able to help you === lool- is now known as lool [14:02] thanx willcooke [14:11] larsu: Can't think how that can be our bug - probably only if they've installed a non-Ubuntu (self built or PPA) package which stole our version namespace [14:12] Laney: so... close it? [14:12] did [14:12] well, Incomplete [14:12] oh thanks :) [14:15] Laney: oh, thanks for nagging on the --class bug again :) [14:17] he sounded open to doing something ... [14:18] ya [14:19] I wonder why he cares so much about something that he considers (for good reason) to be deprecated [14:19] it's not like this patch will be a huge maintenance burden [14:20] it does change behavior though, so ... [14:27] didn't we decide to disable deprecation warnings for the release? === jibel_ is now known as jibel [14:39] larsu, nobody did the change I guess :-( [14:39] we still can today? [14:41] do you want to? [14:44] * larsu thinks we should and can prepare a patch [14:49] yes, please === alan_g|gone is now known as alan_g [15:46] seb128: (sorry, was out in the sun) Where's the packaging branch for glib? [15:46] lp:~ubuntu-desktop/glib/ubuntu is ooooold [15:46] larsu, we don't have one I guess [15:47] which tends to be the cases for packages we can often sync from Debian [15:47] case [15:47] ah, ok [15:49] desrt: G_PARAM_DEPRECATED says it only issues warnings when run with G_ENABLE_DIAGNOSTIC, but nothing other than signal.c looks at that env var… [15:56] oh I'm blind, it does look at it, but the logic is inverted from what the docs say [16:04] seb128: I've attached a patch to bug #1430307 [16:04] bug 1430307 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "Deprecation warning should be turned off for release" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1430307 [16:04] but I guess this is something for Laney rather [16:04] larsu, thanks, and yeah, but if Laney doesn't want to deal with it I can have a look as well [16:05] No I don't [16:06] uh oh [16:06] want to keep the warnings on? [16:06] Don't want to block it [16:07] Last cycle it was meant to be one time only [16:07] And it came via upstream then which made it more palatable [16:07] But you do it if you want [16:08] seb128: larsu: I'm happy to have a look as well :) [16:08] you know my opinion on this :p [16:08] :-) [16:09] Laney just hates on our users :p [16:09] yeah, and developers should use G_ENABLE_DIAGNOSTIC=1 anyway (but we should made it maybe a little bit more clear) [16:10] Laney: right. But shit didn't get fixed last cycle... [16:10] spewing warnings doesn't help 99.999% of the people seeing them [16:10] and we'll get more bugs [16:10] Then get it fixed upstream for everyone [16:10] even crazy security geeks like mdeslaur agrees! That should make you think about it Laney ;) [16:10] I'm not interested in rehashing 6 month old arguments BTW [16:11] yeah, let's agree to disagree [16:11] yep [16:11] seb128: want to sponsor it or should I? (I'm about to leave, not sure if it will be ok by tomorrow with finale finale finale freeze) [16:11] * larsu carefully steps back from the keyboard and puts some money aside for Laney's beer in London [16:11] I understand Laney's fundamental position, in practice I think disabling those is a real world compromise which makes things better for our users though [16:11] didrocks, I can do it [16:11] didrocks: lol :) [16:11] good! [16:11] mdeslaur: ;) [16:12] (and yeah, larsu spot it on) [16:12] * didrocks copies and pastes the exact sentence for the next 6 months [16:15] larsu, let me know when you have a patch and where, I can sponsor it [16:15] seb128: it's attached on the bug [16:15] oh right, sorry, lost track ;-) [16:15] no worries :) [16:16] seb128: see this guy, he's even not attaching a debdiff! [16:16] the fuck if I know how that works [16:16] larsu: didn't you provide some in the past? :) [16:16] didrocks: I did, but always forget ;) [16:16] seb128: germany is clearly not what it used to be… [16:16] :) [16:16] good that we have a team week next week [16:16] we can remind larsu of things [16:17] exactly! [16:17] * didrocks hugs larsu [16:17] haa [16:17] * larsu hugs EVERYONE [16:19] /me hugs larsu back [16:19] ups [16:20] larsu, didrocks, Laney, uploaded [16:20] /msg larsu see how seb128 doesn't know how to use IRC after 14 years? [16:20] seb128: \o/ [16:21] lol [16:21] :p [16:21] it's like Friday in the air! [16:22] seb128: thanks! [16:22] didrocks: LOL [16:26] seb128: did you see my link to the commit from last time? [16:27] oh, WTF, someone accepted it already [16:28] whatever [16:31] :( [16:36] Laney: maybe we should ask for prioritizing having logs on those accepts/deny on launchpad side now that the buttons are client-side and not anymore on the server… [16:36] Laney, I saw it/your comment, but I though it was just arguing in favor of pushing to commit that upstream, not something needed on our side for the upload [16:36] even not for pointing guilt, but at least, to know who to talk to [16:37] seb128: I linked to how desrt did it last time which was different [16:37] Laney, right, nothing in your comment suggested you though that was better though [16:37] I've no strong opinion on one way or the other [16:38] I'm happy to replace it by desrt's version if you prefer though [16:38] -though [16:38] Nope, up to your judgement [16:39] trusting larsu [16:39] it amounts to the same, no? The only difference is that with desrt's patch you can also do G_DISABLE_DIAGNOSTICS=Laney and they'll be turned on [16:39] * larsu doesn't care either way [16:39] if nobody cares then it's good enough like that [16:40] Correct [16:40] I'm going early [16:40] bye [16:42] * desrt blinks [16:42] disco ! [16:42] untz untz [16:42] Laney, have a good evening! [16:43] vuntz vuntz [16:43] see you Laney! [16:52] * didrocks waves good evening as well [17:06] l8r chaps === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:31] desrt: what do you think about gnome #746592? [17:31] Gnome bug 746592 in gsettings "Support for per-session overrides" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746592 [17:32] interesting [17:33] I think that is the same as our lp: #1222053 [17:33] Launchpad bug 1222053 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "per-session gsettings overrides" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222053 [17:33] (but with patches) [17:33] but problematic... [17:34] --verbose please :) [17:34] there is no support for fallbacks here [17:34] like if XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP is MATE:GNOME or something [17:34] and then we find the MATE file first, which has one single mate-specific override [17:34] we won't go on to find the gnome overrides after that [17:35] According the the patch description we will... [17:35] the way i read it it adds the compiled schema it finds first, by priority order of the xdg_current_desktops [17:36] so yes, it is .../mate, then .../gnome, and finally the default directory [17:36] Is that wrong? [17:36] the problem is what happens when you find mate [17:37] Oh, I see what you mean [17:37] like imagine gnome has 10 overrides, but then mate has 1 override on top of it [17:37] you'll get the one, but miss the 10, even though you list MATE:GNOME in the variable [17:37] Yes, I got it, and that sounds fixable [17:37] Will you comment on that patch, or should I? [17:37] it's actually a very difficult problem [17:37] i'll comment [17:38] OK [17:38] the trouble is that you need to figure out what schema content gets included in each file [17:38] and there is not great support fort his level of granularity in the current compiler [17:38] particularly when schemas refer to each other [17:40] Hm, yes, it may be troublesome [17:47] desrt: Thanks for commenting! [17:47] sorry to rain on your parade :( [17:48] Well, this is a wishlist for me, not something very important :) === Wellark_ is now known as Wellark === sil2100_ is now known as sil2100 === attente_ is now known as attente