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| dholbach | hey hey | 16:00 |
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| dholbach | #startmeeting CC meeting | 16:00 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Thu Apr 16 16:00:51 2015 UTC. The chair is dholbach. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 16:00 |
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| dholbach | #chair elfy mhall119 cprofitt | 16:01 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: cprofitt dholbach elfy mhall119 | 16:01 |
| cprofitt | hello dholbach mhall119 elfy | 16:01 |
| elfy | o/ | 16:01 |
| dholbach | who else do we have here? :) | 16:01 |
| mhall119 | isn't this supposed to be at 1700 UTC, not 1600? | 16:02 |
| dholbach | hum... | 16:02 |
| cprofitt | mhall119: I think the DST has kicked in | 16:02 |
| dholbach | it could be that my calendar played a trick on m | 16:02 |
| dholbach | e | 16:02 |
| dholbach | but you're right | 16:02 |
| dholbach | it should be in an hour | 16:02 |
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| elfy | and yea ... | 16:02 |
| cprofitt | so DST has not kicked in | 16:02 |
| dholbach | shall we have the meeting now or reconvene? | 16:02 |
| elfy | I did wonder | 16:02 |
| elfy | cprofitt: it is 16:00 UTC here | 16:03 |
| mhall119 | I'm fine with either now or in an hour | 16:03 |
| dholbach | it'd probably be only fair to do it in an hour - mhall119, elfy, cprofitt: will you all have time? | 16:03 |
| mhall119 | yes | 16:03 |
| elfy | I'll still be about yes | 16:03 |
| cprofitt | I should, but can not make a promise since I am at work | 16:03 |
| dholbach | ok, cool | 16:04 |
| cprofitt | could get called away | 16:04 |
| dholbach | let's try again in 55mins then :) | 16:04 |
| dholbach | #endmeeting | 16:04 |
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| elfy | then if there is anyone out there with a question for us - the time is still good for calendar | 16:04 |
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| dholbach | shall we try again? :-) | 17:00 |
| mhall119 | sure | 17:00 |
| elfy | \o/ | 17:00 |
| dholbach | mhall119, elfy, cprofitt: anyone else here for the CC meeting? :) | 17:00 |
| dholbach | #startmeeting | 17:00 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Thu Apr 16 17:00:24 2015 UTC. The chair is dholbach. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 17:00 |
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| dholbach | #chair elfy mhall119 | 17:00 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: dholbach elfy mhall119 | 17:00 |
| dholbach | Do you have any agenda items you'd like to propose? | 17:00 |
| elfy | yep | 17:00 |
| dholbach | I'd like us to set up a schedule for the catch ups, which should be quick I assume | 17:01 |
| elfy | that would be the same one :D | 17:01 |
| elfy | and ...ish | 17:01 |
| elfy | new teams about | 17:01 |
| dholbach | and maybe do a quick review of which boards/councils have members expiring soon | 17:01 |
| dholbach | any other items? | 17:02 |
| elfy | sort out the next catch ups perhaps | 17:02 |
| dholbach | that sounds fair to me :) | 17:02 |
| dholbach | #topic Scheduling the next CC catch ups | 17:02 |
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| dholbach | shall we note it all down on http://pad.ubuntu.com/ZQTluJERI3? | 17:02 |
| elfy | works for me | 17:02 |
| dholbach | brilliant | 17:03 |
| elfy | mate/edubuntu swap *shrug* | 17:04 |
| elfy | though once LTS gets close - we'll want to add them back perhaps | 17:04 |
| mhall119 | instead of combining Core Apps and Phone, how about having separate check-ins with those teams working on core, desktop and phone? | 17:04 |
| elfy | mhall119: make the change :) makes sense | 17:05 |
| mhall119 | do you think we can do all three in one hour's meeting? | 17:06 |
| elfy | mhall119: well | 17:06 |
| cprofitt | hello | 17:06 |
| dholbach | #chair cprofitt | 17:06 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: cprofitt dholbach elfy mhall119 | 17:06 |
| dholbach | cprofitt, we're scheduling catch ups for the new cycle: http://pad.ubuntu.com/ZQTluJERI3 | 17:06 |
| dholbach | mhall119, I just added a new date at the bottom - feel free to spread teams out if necessary | 17:07 |
| elfy | if they are *that* different - split them to different weeks - also gives people who can only drop by irregularly half a chance | 17:07 |
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| elfy | mhall119: ^^ | 17:08 |
| dholbach | I'm happy either way - I don't have a strong preference when to have Core Apps vs Phone people there | 17:08 |
| mhall119 | elfy: they are different teams in Canonical, but they'll probably all have the same issues if any | 17:08 |
| elfy | I'd much prefer to give a team the whole half a session each | 17:08 |
| elfy | mhall119: that may be so, but | 17:08 |
| elfy | the community might have different points - and people are free to ask things here I guessed | 17:09 |
| cprofitt | I would prefer to give a half session to each as well. | 17:09 |
| elfy | makes sense | 17:10 |
| elfy | at the least | 17:10 |
| dholbach | I just added more dates | 17:10 |
| dholbach | we can spread out if we want | 17:10 |
| cprofitt | having too much time is better than not having enough for a team IMHO | 17:10 |
| elfy | yep | 17:10 |
| dholbach | and we can always wrap early if all is well and there's nothing to talk about :) | 17:10 |
| elfy | we can always rethink the cycle after - which IS the pre-LTS one | 17:11 |
| elky | Hi. i noticed yesterday that dholbach mailed the irc council about a catchup a while back but i don't think it was confirmed or anything. I'm guessing by that pad that it's not still on? | 17:11 |
| mhall119 | elfy: my guess is that the community would be more uniform across those three than Canonical employees | 17:11 |
| mhall119 | but that's just my guess | 17:11 |
| dholbach | elky, it was scheduled, but in the end I can't remember if anyone showed up | 17:11 |
| elfy | mhall119: that is fine - but I see no real reason to not try it | 17:11 |
| dholbach | elky, or one person showed up belated ... or something | 17:11 |
| elky | dholbach: well... you tried to schedule one for today and now | 17:12 |
| elky | so i showed up now :P | 17:12 |
| dholbach | schedule for today? | 17:12 |
| dholbach | IRC Council 5th March | 17:12 |
| elky | it was an email you sent | 17:12 |
| dholbach | oooooooooh! | 17:12 |
| elfy | elky: I guess something was lost there, however - we've got time if you want to talk to us | 17:12 |
| elky | trying to schedule for now | 17:12 |
| dholbach | sorry about that | 17:13 |
| dholbach | now I get it | 17:13 |
| * elfy always has time for some tabfail sessions :D | 17:13 | |
| dholbach | we said: "nobody showed up, let's reschedule" and I picked a date | 17:13 |
| elfy | but | 17:13 |
| dholbach | but failed to update the agenda page | 17:13 |
| dholbach | ... and maybe nobody confirmed the date | 17:13 |
| elfy | if you want to talk to us now elky - we will :) | 17:13 |
| elky | elfy: dholbach: well, basically we're still regrouping. we're currently trying to find a new meeting time that will actually work. | 17:13 |
| dholbach | ok... shall we wrap up the scheduling discussion? | 17:14 |
| dholbach | then move on to IRC business? :) | 17:14 |
| elfy | dholbach: just put it on back burner | 17:14 |
| dholbach | elfy, cprofitt, mhall119: any more points on the catch up schedule? or shall I just mail it to the CC later on, so everyone can have a look at it and make final changes before we announce it? | 17:14 |
| elfy | elfy: I guess it's been a bit of a *time* over there, I get hints here and there | 17:15 |
| elfy | dholbach: how about moving back to it if we've time? | 17:15 |
| elky | dholbach: i understand the motivation, i just didn't want you guys to be stood up again if the topic did happen :) | 17:15 |
| elky | but i'm here now, so make of that what you will | 17:16 |
| elfy | elky: I was not talking to myself but you ^^ | 17:16 |
| dholbach | elfy, ok... I just felt that we were close to resolving it as far as we can now and could move on if we agreed, but yeah, sure | 17:16 |
| elky | elfy: hehe sorry still waking up | 17:16 |
| elfy | really should really re-nick as hobgoblin for a while :D | 17:16 |
| elky | hehehe | 17:16 |
| dholbach | ok.... | 17:17 |
| dholbach | #topic Catching up with the IRC Council | 17:17 |
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| dholbach | hey elky - thanks a lot for showing up :) | 17:17 |
| elky | not a problem | 17:17 |
| dholbach | how are you doing? how's life in the IRC world? :) | 17:17 |
| elky | so as i said before, we're still regrouping and working out our schedule to fit in with the current members | 17:18 |
| dholbach | how far are the members spread out? | 17:18 |
| elky | one in finland, the rest of us across the US | 17:19 |
| elky | (i'm in the US now) | 17:19 |
| elfy | so again the Euro/US bias | 17:19 |
| dholbach | oh wow, I had no idea :) | 17:19 |
| elky | we have people who can't irc from work though, which complicates things a lot | 17:19 |
| elfy | really hard to deal with that I guess | 17:20 |
| elky | that's our biggest issue | 17:20 |
| elfy | and that for sure | 17:20 |
| elfy | which - the work or bias? | 17:20 |
| elky | we're considering moving to a weekend meeting, but we're yet to confirm a time | 17:20 |
| dholbach | how often are you planning to meet as the IRC Council? | 17:20 |
| dholbach | or how often did you meet in the past? | 17:20 |
| elky | elfy: the irc restriction at workplaces | 17:20 |
| elfy | right | 17:20 |
| elky | dholbach: the meeting schedule is monthly, which is why it's taking a while to get something sorted i guess | 17:21 |
| elfy | elky: but if the location bias could be looked at later - less of an issue? | 17:21 |
| elfy | elky: any reason to have monthly meets? | 17:22 |
| elky | elfy: i don't think location bias is one that can be fixed easily. | 17:22 |
| elky | elfy: as opposed to? | 17:22 |
| dholbach | I'm not sure if it helps, but can "day to day tasks on the IRC Council", "IRC Council meeting times" and "helping out as an IRC member/op/helper" be separated somehow? | 17:22 |
| dholbach | a bunch of things could maybe be discussed via mail as well | 17:22 |
| elfy | elky: we (FC) set up monthlies, ended up as pointless | 17:23 |
| elky | elfy: in that you have no meetings now? | 17:23 |
| elfy | we dealt with the immediate issues as and when | 17:23 |
| elky | that would be nice, but that wasn't the expectation put on the council in the past | 17:23 |
| elfy | then have now moved to quarterly | 17:23 |
| dholbach | elfy, I guess it depends on how approachable you as a council or board are... or how well people in your community understand they can contact you | 17:23 |
| dholbach | a meeting as "another opportunity" can help, but yeah, it can be pointless too :) | 17:24 |
| elfy | elky: well - rules are great in a workplace, but as volunteers the expectation should be that things just woirk | 17:24 |
| elfy | dholbach: yea for sure | 17:24 |
| elky | elfy: i'm glad to see this shift in attitude :) | 17:24 |
| elfy | elky: first shift on CC, years at forum ;)_ | 17:25 |
| elfy | I am ALWAYS happy to talk to anyone at all | 17:25 |
| mhall119 | sorry everyone, home-life interruption, I'm back again | 17:25 |
| elky | dholbach: in terms of the issues we generally deal with, generally a meeting would be awkward and unfair on someone -- like a public humiliation | 17:26 |
| elfy | though if it is one of those 'trolly' things, move it to official | 17:26 |
| elfy | elky: the same - we just would not do that (FC) | 17:26 |
| elfy | elky: how about the IRCC and FC actaully do that mad thing | 17:27 |
| elfy | talk to each other :D | 17:27 |
| elky | that'd be awesome indeed | 17:27 |
| dholbach | I guess it depends what you need to talk about | 17:27 |
| elfy | I am sure we could help each other in how we deal with things | 17:27 |
| dholbach | if you want to bring up a process improvement | 17:27 |
| elfy | dholbach: things like | 17:27 |
| dholbach | or applying as a member | 17:27 |
| elfy | do we NEED to meet monthyl | 17:27 |
| dholbach | that might be suitable for an IRC Council | 17:27 |
| dholbach | meeting | 17:27 |
| elfy | well - membership process - I bet we could learn from each other | 17:28 |
| dholbach | it could also help to review work items or stuff | 17:28 |
| elfy | but the minutae - less so | 17:28 |
| elky | dholbach: the stuff we're responsible for, is way too time sensitive to wait a month., | 17:28 |
| elky | or even a week reallt | 17:28 |
| dholbach | elky, I wasn't trying to say that you should wait until the next meeting | 17:29 |
| elfy | more a sort of 'well how do you as a group work? thing | 17:29 |
| elfy | elky: exactly - we are lucky | 17:29 |
| elfy | we get a day(ish) | 17:29 |
| dholbach | sometimes it helps to make an appointment, come together as a group and take time to discuss something | 17:29 |
| dholbach | (outside the day to day business) | 17:29 |
| elfy | dholbach: it really does not work like that - sorry ;) | 17:30 |
| dholbach | but I'm not trying to impose | 17:30 |
| mhall119 | especially if you spend the previous week/month jotting down topics in an agenda | 17:30 |
| elky | dholbach: we haven't needed to do that in the past few months, but yes that has happened in the past. | 17:30 |
| dholbach | right | 17:30 |
| elfy | elky: I'll mail you with the FC hat | 17:30 |
| elky | elfy: cool | 17:30 |
| dholbach | and apart from meeting times... how are things going there? :) | 17:31 |
| elfy | heh | 17:31 |
| elky | relatively drama free so far this year | 17:31 |
| elfy | \o/ | 17:32 |
| elky | which is a nice change of pace. last year burned a councillor or two out, so yes. | 17:32 |
| dholbach | do you have enough helpers in the channels? | 17:32 |
| Pici | Sorry I'm late, work stuff. (reads scrollback quickly) | 17:33 |
| elfy | hi Pici | 17:33 |
| elky | we seem to be ok at the moment, but i believe we have some applications to look at anyway | 17:33 |
| elfy | that's great | 17:33 |
| dholbach | cool | 17:36 |
| dholbach | how about people who applied as Ubuntu members through IRC contributions? | 17:36 |
| mhall119 | elfy: is there any particular change that you think contributed to this being a drama-free year? | 17:36 |
| mhall119 | something we can maybe roll out to other parts of the community | 17:36 |
| dholbach | I'm asking because we noticed in other teams that there's a lot of people who could apply, but didn't :) | 17:36 |
| elfy | \o/ I think that ^^ was for elky :D | 17:37 |
| elky | mhall119: no, last year was quite exceptional. i don't recommend having that drama so that the next year is an improvement | 17:37 |
| elfy | dholbach: we see the same thing | 17:37 |
| mhall119 | elky: yes, this elfy/elky thing is killing my brain | 17:37 |
| elky | :D | 17:37 |
| elfy | :D | 17:38 |
| elfy | who said that !!! | 17:38 |
| dholbach | ouch :) | 17:38 |
| elky | we break brains in #xubuntu* all the timne | 17:38 |
| elfy | annnnnnnnd .... | 17:38 |
| elfy | you owe me a clean screen ... | 17:38 |
| elky | haha | 17:38 |
| cprofitt | mhall119: you can't tell the difference bewtween and elf and an alk? | 17:39 |
| cprofitt | elk? | 17:39 |
| elky | dholbach: i can't remember the last time someone applied through the ircc for membership, but it's a small team in comparison to even some loco teams | 17:39 |
| dholbach | right | 17:40 |
| mhall119 | cprofitt: I don't think I've every seen either, to be honest | 17:40 |
| cprofitt | lol | 17:40 |
| Pici | We have a lot of people seeking help pass through, but a smaller community of helpers. | 17:40 |
| dholbach | I think we should all try to encourage folks who haven't applied yet :) | 17:40 |
| elfy | hah | 17:40 |
| cprofitt | the forums had to work at having people apply via the forums for Ubuntu membership | 17:40 |
| dholbach | I should add a post-it note to my laptop screen about that | 17:40 |
| cprofitt | do IRC folks know that it is a potential route? | 17:40 |
| elfy | dholbach: seriously - for sure - supporters deserve membership | 17:41 |
| elky | yes | 17:41 |
| dholbach | cprofitt, there's a process and it's documented on the wiki, but that probably doesn't answer your question :) | 17:41 |
| elky | they do know. most of the irc team are members as far as i know | 17:41 |
| mhall119 | elky: how are they told about it? | 17:41 |
| dholbach | elky, that's good to hear :) | 17:41 |
| elfy | elky: we kind of did a bit more over forum side | 17:41 |
| elfy | I'l try and summarise the whole 'how we do it' | 17:42 |
| elky | elfy: at one point, the irc team required membership to be op, so i think there was a difference in the population there | 17:42 |
| elfy | yea | 17:42 |
| Pici | Usually it comes up because someone notices that they aren't a member, and then the suggestion to become one goes on and then we can initiate the process. | 17:42 |
| cprofitt | dholbach: the process being documented is a good start, but I know the forums had to really encourage people to get the process started. | 17:42 |
| dholbach | yeah | 17:43 |
| elfy | I think, and this might be up for debate | 17:43 |
| elfy | that criteria needs to at least 'look' or 'read' easier | 17:43 |
| elfy | many people have said to me they would 'fail' | 17:44 |
| elfy | their words | 17:44 |
| Pici | :/ | 17:44 |
| elky | guys, i need to go of and do something else now, can we wrap this topic? or pici can take over? | 17:44 |
| elfy | elky: go do life stuff - thanks | 17:44 |
| elky | thanks guys, one less thing on the todo list :) | 17:45 |
| elfy | I will be in contact withe the IRCC | 17:45 |
| dholbach | cool | 17:45 |
| elfy | as FC | 17:45 |
| Pici | Okay :) | 17:45 |
| dholbach | is there anything the IRC Council could generally need help with? or anything the CC could do? | 17:45 |
| elfy | but yea Pici :/ | 17:45 |
| elfy | people should not feel that way | 17:45 |
| Pici | dholbach: I'm not sure we need anything as of yet. Like elky said, the drama has been very low recently. | 17:46 |
| dholbach | excellent - thanks a lot for all your hard work! | 17:46 |
| dholbach | mhall119 is going to be in touch with you quite soon again I guess :) | 17:46 |
| dholbach | or did you guys talk about UOS channels already? :) | 17:47 |
| mhall119 | dholbach: I haven't, I don't know which of us was tasked with getting UOS channels setup | 17:47 |
| Pici | Sounds like it was you ;) | 17:47 |
| dholbach | I can't remember either - I guess we're going to figure it out | 17:47 |
| Pici | Just poke us whenever you're ready and we'll do what needs to be done | 17:48 |
| dholbach | <3 | 17:48 |
| dholbach | cprofitt, elfy, mhall119: do you have any more questions for Pici and the IRC folks? :) | 17:48 |
| mhall119 | nope, it sounds like things are going well which is an improvement from before | 17:48 |
| elfy | none yet | 17:48 |
| mhall119 | so I'm quite happy | 17:48 |
| Pici | yay | 17:48 |
| elfy | I will do as I said and mail you as FC hat - with what we do and how | 17:49 |
| dholbach | brilliant | 17:49 |
| dholbach | thanks a lot Pici and elky! :) | 17:49 |
| Pici | np :) | 17:49 |
| elfy | I would love for the IRCC to say some "try this one ..." | 17:49 |
| dholbach | elfy, regarding the catch-up schedule... did you have anything else you wanted to talk about or shall I send it out for a sanity check of the rest of the gang as a next step? | 17:50 |
| elfy | anyway - thanks elky Pici | 17:50 |
| elfy | dholbach: send it to list, but was mostly about making sure no-shows had reason | 17:51 |
| elfy | and people like Mate - new - were added in | 17:51 |
| elfy | good to go here | 17:52 |
| dholbach | elfy, erm... do you mean by "no-shows had reason" checking if the teams excused themselves from the meetings? | 17:52 |
| mhall119 | thanks elky and Pici for coming | 17:52 |
| dholbach | my brain is a bit slow at processing English today it seems | 17:52 |
| dholbach | if all's well, I'll just mail out the schedule in a bit :) | 17:53 |
| mhall119 | dholbach: Texas accents have that affect | 17:53 |
| dholbach | jetlag too! :) | 17:53 |
| dholbach | I'd be happy to look over the expiry dates of all councils/boards again as well to help with the planning | 17:53 |
| dholbach | #topic Any other business | 17:53 |
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| elfy | dholbach: yea I did :) | 17:54 |
| dholbach | go ahead | 17:54 |
| elfy | or rather - they might be LTS only | 17:54 |
| elfy | dholbach: I've got time tomorrow to at least try and contact edubuntu etc | 17:55 |
| dholbach | cool | 17:55 |
| elfy | unless you mean mail schedule to CC to double check | 17:55 |
| elfy | in which case - go ahead | 17:56 |
| dholbach | oh... I just sent it over for review | 17:56 |
| dholbach | :) | 17:56 |
| elfy | yep, just got it :D | 17:57 |
| elfy | #endmeeting | 17:57 |
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| elfy | then :) | 17:57 |
| dholbach | excellent! | 17:58 |
| dholbach | thanks a lot everyone! | 17:58 |
| mhall119 | thanks dholbach | 17:58 |
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