=== aaron is now known as Guest12964 === Guest12964 is now known as ahoneybun === victorp_ is now known as victorp === davidcalle_ is now known as davidcalle === zerng07_ is now known as zerng07 === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === lool- is now known as lool === kickinz1|afk is now known as kickinz1 === jibel_ is now known as jibel [16:00] hey hey [16:00] #startmeeting CC meeting [16:00] Meeting started Thu Apr 16 16:00:51 2015 UTC. The chair is dholbach. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [16:00] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | CC meeting | Current topic: [16:01] #chair elfy mhall119 cprofitt [16:01] Current chairs: cprofitt dholbach elfy mhall119 [16:01] hello dholbach mhall119 elfy [16:01] o/ [16:01] who else do we have here? :) [16:02] isn't this supposed to be at 1700 UTC, not 1600? [16:02] hum... [16:02] mhall119: I think the DST has kicked in [16:02] it could be that my calendar played a trick on m [16:02] e [16:02] but you're right [16:02] it should be in an hour === kickinz1 is now known as kickinz1|afk [16:02] and yea ... [16:02] so DST has not kicked in [16:02] shall we have the meeting now or reconvene? [16:02] I did wonder [16:03] cprofitt: it is 16:00 UTC here [16:03] I'm fine with either now or in an hour [16:03] it'd probably be only fair to do it in an hour - mhall119, elfy, cprofitt: will you all have time? [16:03] yes [16:03] I'll still be about yes [16:03] I should, but can not make a promise since I am at work [16:04] ok, cool [16:04] could get called away [16:04] let's try again in 55mins then :) [16:04] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [16:04] Meeting ended Thu Apr 16 16:04:10 2015 UTC. [16:04] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-04-16-16.00.moin.txt [16:04] then if there is anyone out there with a question for us - the time is still good for calendar === kickinz1|afk is now known as kickinz1 === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === kickinz1 is now known as kickinz1|afk [17:00] shall we try again? :-) [17:00] sure [17:00] \o/ [17:00] mhall119, elfy, cprofitt: anyone else here for the CC meeting? :) [17:00] #startmeeting [17:00] Meeting started Thu Apr 16 17:00:24 2015 UTC. The chair is dholbach. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [17:00] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [17:00] #chair elfy mhall119 [17:00] Current chairs: dholbach elfy mhall119 [17:00] Do you have any agenda items you'd like to propose? [17:00] yep [17:01] I'd like us to set up a schedule for the catch ups, which should be quick I assume [17:01] that would be the same one :D [17:01] and ...ish [17:01] new teams about [17:01] and maybe do a quick review of which boards/councils have members expiring soon [17:02] any other items? [17:02] sort out the next catch ups perhaps [17:02] that sounds fair to me :) [17:02] #topic Scheduling the next CC catch ups === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Scheduling the next CC catch ups [17:02] shall we note it all down on http://pad.ubuntu.com/ZQTluJERI3? [17:02] works for me [17:03] brilliant [17:04] mate/edubuntu swap *shrug* [17:04] though once LTS gets close - we'll want to add them back perhaps [17:04] instead of combining Core Apps and Phone, how about having separate check-ins with those teams working on core, desktop and phone? [17:05] mhall119: make the change :) makes sense [17:06] do you think we can do all three in one hour's meeting? [17:06] mhall119: well [17:06] hello [17:06] #chair cprofitt [17:06] Current chairs: cprofitt dholbach elfy mhall119 [17:06] cprofitt, we're scheduling catch ups for the new cycle: http://pad.ubuntu.com/ZQTluJERI3 [17:07] mhall119, I just added a new date at the bottom - feel free to spread teams out if necessary [17:07] if they are *that* different - split them to different weeks - also gives people who can only drop by irregularly half a chance === kickinz1|afk is now known as kickinz1 [17:08] mhall119: ^^ [17:08] I'm happy either way - I don't have a strong preference when to have Core Apps vs Phone people there [17:08] elfy: they are different teams in Canonical, but they'll probably all have the same issues if any [17:08] I'd much prefer to give a team the whole half a session each [17:08] mhall119: that may be so, but [17:09] the community might have different points - and people are free to ask things here I guessed [17:09] I would prefer to give a half session to each as well. [17:10] makes sense [17:10] at the least [17:10] I just added more dates [17:10] we can spread out if we want [17:10] having too much time is better than not having enough for a team IMHO [17:10] yep [17:10] and we can always wrap early if all is well and there's nothing to talk about :) [17:11] we can always rethink the cycle after - which IS the pre-LTS one [17:11] Hi. i noticed yesterday that dholbach mailed the irc council about a catchup a while back but i don't think it was confirmed or anything. I'm guessing by that pad that it's not still on? [17:11] elfy: my guess is that the community would be more uniform across those three than Canonical employees [17:11] but that's just my guess [17:11] elky, it was scheduled, but in the end I can't remember if anyone showed up [17:11] mhall119: that is fine - but I see no real reason to not try it [17:11] elky, or one person showed up belated ... or something [17:12] dholbach: well... you tried to schedule one for today and now [17:12] so i showed up now :P [17:12] schedule for today? [17:12] IRC Council 5th March [17:12] it was an email you sent [17:12] oooooooooh! [17:12] elky: I guess something was lost there, however - we've got time if you want to talk to us [17:12] trying to schedule for now [17:13] sorry about that [17:13] now I get it [17:13] * elfy always has time for some tabfail sessions :D [17:13] we said: "nobody showed up, let's reschedule" and I picked a date [17:13] but [17:13] but failed to update the agenda page [17:13] ... and maybe nobody confirmed the date [17:13] if you want to talk to us now elky - we will :) [17:13] elfy: dholbach: well, basically we're still regrouping. we're currently trying to find a new meeting time that will actually work. [17:14] ok... shall we wrap up the scheduling discussion? [17:14] then move on to IRC business? :) [17:14] dholbach: just put it on back burner [17:14] elfy, cprofitt, mhall119: any more points on the catch up schedule? or shall I just mail it to the CC later on, so everyone can have a look at it and make final changes before we announce it? [17:15] elfy: I guess it's been a bit of a *time* over there, I get hints here and there [17:15] dholbach: how about moving back to it if we've time? [17:15] dholbach: i understand the motivation, i just didn't want you guys to be stood up again if the topic did happen :) [17:16] but i'm here now, so make of that what you will [17:16] elky: I was not talking to myself but you ^^ [17:16] elfy, ok... I just felt that we were close to resolving it as far as we can now and could move on if we agreed, but yeah, sure [17:16] elfy: hehe sorry still waking up [17:16] really should really re-nick as hobgoblin for a while :D [17:16] hehehe [17:17] ok.... [17:17] #topic Catching up with the IRC Council === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Catching up with the IRC Council [17:17] hey elky - thanks a lot for showing up :) [17:17] not a problem [17:17] how are you doing? how's life in the IRC world? :) [17:18] so as i said before, we're still regrouping and working out our schedule to fit in with the current members [17:18] how far are the members spread out? [17:19] one in finland, the rest of us across the US [17:19] (i'm in the US now) [17:19] so again the Euro/US bias [17:19] oh wow, I had no idea :) [17:19] we have people who can't irc from work though, which complicates things a lot [17:20] really hard to deal with that I guess [17:20] that's our biggest issue [17:20] and that for sure [17:20] which - the work or bias? [17:20] we're considering moving to a weekend meeting, but we're yet to confirm a time [17:20] how often are you planning to meet as the IRC Council? [17:20] or how often did you meet in the past? [17:20] elfy: the irc restriction at workplaces [17:20] right [17:21] dholbach: the meeting schedule is monthly, which is why it's taking a while to get something sorted i guess [17:21] elky: but if the location bias could be looked at later - less of an issue? [17:22] elky: any reason to have monthly meets? [17:22] elfy: i don't think location bias is one that can be fixed easily. [17:22] elfy: as opposed to? [17:22] I'm not sure if it helps, but can "day to day tasks on the IRC Council", "IRC Council meeting times" and "helping out as an IRC member/op/helper" be separated somehow? [17:22] a bunch of things could maybe be discussed via mail as well [17:23] elky: we (FC) set up monthlies, ended up as pointless [17:23] elfy: in that you have no meetings now? [17:23] we dealt with the immediate issues as and when [17:23] that would be nice, but that wasn't the expectation put on the council in the past [17:23] then have now moved to quarterly [17:23] elfy, I guess it depends on how approachable you as a council or board are... or how well people in your community understand they can contact you [17:24] a meeting as "another opportunity" can help, but yeah, it can be pointless too :) [17:24] elky: well - rules are great in a workplace, but as volunteers the expectation should be that things just woirk [17:24] dholbach: yea for sure [17:24] elfy: i'm glad to see this shift in attitude :) [17:25] elky: first shift on CC, years at forum ;)_ [17:25] I am ALWAYS happy to talk to anyone at all [17:25] sorry everyone, home-life interruption, I'm back again [17:26] dholbach: in terms of the issues we generally deal with, generally a meeting would be awkward and unfair on someone -- like a public humiliation [17:26] though if it is one of those 'trolly' things, move it to official [17:26] elky: the same - we just would not do that (FC) [17:27] elky: how about the IRCC and FC actaully do that mad thing [17:27] talk to each other :D [17:27] that'd be awesome indeed [17:27] I guess it depends what you need to talk about [17:27] I am sure we could help each other in how we deal with things [17:27] if you want to bring up a process improvement [17:27] dholbach: things like [17:27] or applying as a member [17:27] do we NEED to meet monthyl [17:27] that might be suitable for an IRC Council [17:27] meeting [17:28] well - membership process - I bet we could learn from each other [17:28] it could also help to review work items or stuff [17:28] but the minutae - less so [17:28] dholbach: the stuff we're responsible for, is way too time sensitive to wait a month., [17:28] or even a week reallt [17:29] elky, I wasn't trying to say that you should wait until the next meeting [17:29] more a sort of 'well how do you as a group work? thing [17:29] elky: exactly - we are lucky [17:29] we get a day(ish) [17:29] sometimes it helps to make an appointment, come together as a group and take time to discuss something [17:29] (outside the day to day business) [17:30] dholbach: it really does not work like that - sorry ;) [17:30] but I'm not trying to impose [17:30] especially if you spend the previous week/month jotting down topics in an agenda [17:30] dholbach: we haven't needed to do that in the past few months, but yes that has happened in the past. [17:30] right [17:30] elky: I'll mail you with the FC hat [17:30] elfy: cool [17:31] and apart from meeting times... how are things going there? :) [17:31] heh [17:31] relatively drama free so far this year [17:32] \o/ [17:32] which is a nice change of pace. last year burned a councillor or two out, so yes. [17:32] do you have enough helpers in the channels? [17:33] Sorry I'm late, work stuff. (reads scrollback quickly) [17:33] hi Pici [17:33] we seem to be ok at the moment, but i believe we have some applications to look at anyway [17:33] that's great [17:36] cool [17:36] how about people who applied as Ubuntu members through IRC contributions? [17:36] elfy: is there any particular change that you think contributed to this being a drama-free year? [17:36] something we can maybe roll out to other parts of the community [17:36] I'm asking because we noticed in other teams that there's a lot of people who could apply, but didn't :) [17:37] \o/ I think that ^^ was for elky :D [17:37] mhall119: no, last year was quite exceptional. i don't recommend having that drama so that the next year is an improvement [17:37] dholbach: we see the same thing [17:37] elky: yes, this elfy/elky thing is killing my brain [17:37] :D [17:38] :D [17:38] who said that !!! [17:38] ouch :) [17:38] we break brains in #xubuntu* all the timne [17:38] annnnnnnnd .... [17:38] you owe me a clean screen ... [17:38] haha [17:39] mhall119: you can't tell the difference bewtween and elf and an alk? [17:39] elk? [17:39] dholbach: i can't remember the last time someone applied through the ircc for membership, but it's a small team in comparison to even some loco teams [17:40] right [17:40] cprofitt: I don't think I've every seen either, to be honest [17:40] lol [17:40] We have a lot of people seeking help pass through, but a smaller community of helpers. [17:40] I think we should all try to encourage folks who haven't applied yet :) [17:40] hah [17:40] the forums had to work at having people apply via the forums for Ubuntu membership [17:40] I should add a post-it note to my laptop screen about that [17:40] do IRC folks know that it is a potential route? [17:41] dholbach: seriously - for sure - supporters deserve membership [17:41] yes [17:41] cprofitt, there's a process and it's documented on the wiki, but that probably doesn't answer your question :) [17:41] they do know. most of the irc team are members as far as i know [17:41] elky: how are they told about it? [17:41] elky, that's good to hear :) [17:41] elky: we kind of did a bit more over forum side [17:42] I'l try and summarise the whole 'how we do it' [17:42] elfy: at one point, the irc team required membership to be op, so i think there was a difference in the population there [17:42] yea [17:42] Usually it comes up because someone notices that they aren't a member, and then the suggestion to become one goes on and then we can initiate the process. [17:42] dholbach: the process being documented is a good start, but I know the forums had to really encourage people to get the process started. [17:43] yeah [17:43] I think, and this might be up for debate [17:43] that criteria needs to at least 'look' or 'read' easier [17:44] many people have said to me they would 'fail' [17:44] their words [17:44] :/ [17:44] guys, i need to go of and do something else now, can we wrap this topic? or pici can take over? [17:44] elky: go do life stuff - thanks [17:45] thanks guys, one less thing on the todo list :) [17:45] I will be in contact withe the IRCC [17:45] cool [17:45] as FC [17:45] Okay :) [17:45] is there anything the IRC Council could generally need help with? or anything the CC could do? [17:45] but yea Pici :/ [17:45] people should not feel that way [17:46] dholbach: I'm not sure we need anything as of yet. Like elky said, the drama has been very low recently. [17:46] excellent - thanks a lot for all your hard work! [17:46] mhall119 is going to be in touch with you quite soon again I guess :) [17:47] or did you guys talk about UOS channels already? :) [17:47] dholbach: I haven't, I don't know which of us was tasked with getting UOS channels setup [17:47] Sounds like it was you ;) [17:47] I can't remember either - I guess we're going to figure it out [17:48] Just poke us whenever you're ready and we'll do what needs to be done [17:48] <3 [17:48] cprofitt, elfy, mhall119: do you have any more questions for Pici and the IRC folks? :) [17:48] nope, it sounds like things are going well which is an improvement from before [17:48] none yet [17:48] so I'm quite happy [17:48] yay [17:49] I will do as I said and mail you as FC hat - with what we do and how [17:49] brilliant [17:49] thanks a lot Pici and elky! :) [17:49] np :) [17:49] I would love for the IRCC to say some "try this one ..." [17:50] elfy, regarding the catch-up schedule... did you have anything else you wanted to talk about or shall I send it out for a sanity check of the rest of the gang as a next step? [17:50] anyway - thanks elky Pici [17:51] dholbach: send it to list, but was mostly about making sure no-shows had reason [17:51] and people like Mate - new - were added in [17:52] good to go here [17:52] elfy, erm... do you mean by "no-shows had reason" checking if the teams excused themselves from the meetings? [17:52] thanks elky and Pici for coming [17:52] my brain is a bit slow at processing English today it seems [17:53] if all's well, I'll just mail out the schedule in a bit :) [17:53] dholbach: Texas accents have that affect [17:53] jetlag too! :) [17:53] I'd be happy to look over the expiry dates of all councils/boards again as well to help with the planning [17:53] #topic Any other business === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Any other business [17:54] dholbach: yea I did :) [17:54] go ahead [17:54] or rather - they might be LTS only [17:55] dholbach: I've got time tomorrow to at least try and contact edubuntu etc [17:55] cool [17:55] unless you mean mail schedule to CC to double check [17:56] in which case - go ahead [17:56] oh... I just sent it over for review [17:56] :) [17:57] yep, just got it :D [17:57] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [17:57] Meeting ended Thu Apr 16 17:57:49 2015 UTC. [17:57] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-04-16-17.00.moin.txt [17:57] then :) [17:58] excellent! [17:58] thanks a lot everyone! [17:58] thanks dholbach === kees_ is now known as kees === kickinz1 is now known as kickinz1|afk === kickinz1|afk is now known as kickinz1