| lenovoBob | Hi all. I am trying to add my hardware info to this page, but I don't see an edit option. I am logged into the page. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hardware | 01:42 |
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| lenovoBob | hello? anyone not afk? | 01:46 |
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| nerochiaro | elopio: hi, do you know who would be the best person to ask questions to about autopilot ? | 09:35 |
| brendand | nerochiaro, please ping ubuntu-qa for help | 09:40 |
| brendand | nerochiaro, in the meantime, what question did you have? | 09:41 |
| nerochiaro | brendand: ubuntu-qa: just wanted to know if there was a way in AP to get a list of elements in the correct order. select_many does not guarantee order, but i need to test the order of items in a list | 09:43 |
| fgimenez | nerochiaro, can you select_single the list and check the elements from there? | 09:54 |
| nerochiaro | fgimenez: what do you mean "check the elements from there" ? how do i access them in order ? | 09:55 |
| fgimenez | nerochiaro, the list node returned by select_single should have an attribute representing the items, have you got an example of this? | 09:58 |
| brendand | nerochiaro, have you looked at the listview helpers from ubuntu-ui-toolkit? | 10:00 |
| nerochiaro | brendand: no, that's a good tip. are they documented somewhere or should i look into the source ? | 10:01 |
| brendand | nerochiaro, they are documented. let me see | 10:01 |
| brendand | nerochiaro, http://people.canonical.com/~nskaggs/autopilot-sdk-helpers.html, doesn't look very complete though | 10:03 |
| nerochiaro | brendand: right. does not have anything that can help me in the listview helper it seems | 10:04 |
| brendand | nerochiaro, no it seems not | 10:06 |
| brendand | nerochiaro, heh - look at this: | 10:07 |
| brendand | def _get_first_item(self): | 10:07 |
| brendand | """Returns the first item from the ListView.""" | 10:07 |
| brendand | items = self.get_children_by_type('QQuickItem')[0].get_children() | 10:07 |
| brendand | items = sorted(items, key=lambda item: item.globalRect.y) | 10:07 |
| brendand | return items[0] | 10:07 |
| brendand | nerochiaro, sorting the items by the y co-ordinate. clever :P | 10:08 |
| nerochiaro | brendand: wow, that's clever. where does it come from ? | 10:08 |
| brendand | nerochiaro, from the QQuickListView CPO. But it's a private method | 10:08 |
| nerochiaro | brendand: well then, i am stealing it | 10:08 |
| brendand | nerochiaro, there's no helper function to return all items sorted | 10:08 |
| brendand | nerochiaro, and also you probably want to get_children_by_type as it does, rather than using select_many | 10:09 |
| nerochiaro | brendand: why ? | 10:09 |
| brendand | nerochiaro, well it reads better for one | 10:09 |
| nerochiaro | brendand: right | 10:10 |
| brendand | nerochiaro, although if you're doing the select_many from the listview itself it won't matter | 10:10 |
| brendand | nerochiaro, if you're doing from a higher level then there's the (unlikely) possibility it could get items which aren't part of the list view you care about | 10:10 |
| nerochiaro | brendand: got it. thanks | 10:11 |
| nerochiaro | brendand: out of curiosity, what's the "CPO" you mentioned before ? | 10:11 |
| brendand | nerochiaro, custom proxy object | 10:11 |
| brendand | nerochiaro, basically autopilot wraps things in a 'proxy object' | 10:11 |
| brendand | nerochiaro, things that it introspects | 10:11 |
| brendand | nerochiaro, and the custom indicates that you override the default one to add some useful functions | 10:12 |
| nerochiaro | brendand: understood. and the code works great too. great help, thank you | 10:14 |
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| dobey | elopio: no, it's not a bug exactly. the test doesn't get run, but the setUp and tearDown do, which is a bit annoying for the autopilot tests as it means the app gets spawned/killed still | 13:22 |
| brendand_ | dobey, that's the one that should be fixed in upstream testtools | 14:01 |
| elopio | dobey: ah, it was that, right. | 14:04 |
| elopio | in the end veebers went with self.skipTest in the setup, so we are good. | 14:05 |
| elopio | brendand_: the dash breaks, as in the functionality of the dash? | 14:11 |
| brendand_ | elopio, well it doesn't start i don't think | 14:11 |
| elopio | or the tests helpers for the dash stop working as expected? | 14:11 |
| brendand_ | elopio, current symptoms are - the area where the dash should be is blank , and the test cannot find the MainView | 14:11 |
| elopio | brendand_: and what happens if you start unity manually? | 14:12 |
| brendand_ | elopio, i'm installing the uitk staging ppa to see if it's a problem there | 14:12 |
| brendand_ | elopio, same thing | 14:12 |
| dobey | brendand_: i don't think it's a testtools problem. it's just how python and unit tests in python, work | 14:12 |
| elopio | brendand_: we didn't touch production code at all. It would be good if you tell zoltan about it so they fix it. | 14:13 |
| brendand_ | dobey, unless something has changed, in fact the bug doesn't happen when run using unittest's test runner | 14:13 |
| brendand_ | dobey, so it is a test tools problem. unless we're talking about a new issue that has the same symptoms as the one i looked at yonks ago | 14:14 |
| brendand_ | elopio, well i need to prove it happens without using our code, which i'm doing right now | 14:14 |
| brendand_ | elopio, it could also be to do with an interaction between the unreleased version of unity8 and the uitk staging code | 14:15 |
| brendand_ | elopio, since i installed both to get the upstreamed helpers | 14:15 |
| dobey | brendand_: i'm not sure what you're talking about exactly, but i don't see how a decorator would be evaluated differently in standard python unittest. decorators are evaluated by the interpreter when the method they decorate is run | 14:15 |
| elopio | brendand_: right, that's possible. | 14:15 |
| brendand_ | dobey, maybe i missed a bit of context then and it's not actually the same issue | 14:16 |
| brendand_ | dobey, is there a bug? | 14:17 |
| dobey | brendand_: i haven't filed any bug for this | 14:18 |
| dobey | afaik, unittest does the same thing; it calls setUp(), calls the test_foo() method, then calls tearDown() | 14:18 |
| brendand_ | dobey, https://github.com/testing-cabal/testtools/issues/86 | 14:20 |
| fgimenez | brendand_, elopio i'm seeing the same blank scope as well since yesterday, i thought it had to do with my setup | 14:20 |
| brendand_ | fgimenez, did you have those packages installed? | 14:21 |
| dobey | brendand_: oh ok. *shrug* | 14:21 |
| fgimenez | brendand_, yes | 14:21 |
| brendand_ | dobey, is that the same issue? | 14:21 |
| dobey | brendand_: https://github.com/testing-cabal/testtools/pull/103 says it was fixed in september | 14:21 |
| fgimenez | brendand_, it breaks the dash completely, after a reboot the scope is still blank | 14:22 |
| brendand_ | dobey, yeah - but only upstream | 14:22 |
| dobey | brendand_: try ppa:dobey/testtools and see if it fixes it for you? | 14:22 |
| dobey | brendand_: if so, then yet another good reason to get the new testtools into the distro :) | 14:23 |
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| brendand_ | elopio, good news, it's not our code | 14:29 |
| brendand_ | elopio, bad news is uitk staging is busted | 14:29 |
| brendand_ | elopio, well - bad news for the sdk team :P | 14:29 |
| brendand_ | elopio, for https://trello.com/c/Ky65SZNk/142-epic-04-spike-add-the-right-proxy-extension-bases-to-cpos, do you know which suites are affected? | 14:54 |
| brendand_ | elopio, you mentioned address_book | 14:54 |
| elopio | address book, system settings, webbrowser. | 14:54 |
| elopio | I think that's it. | 14:54 |
| brendand_ | elopio, at least of the ones sanity touches, right? | 14:55 |
| brendand_ | elopio, do you have an MP that shows what kind of change needs to be done? | 14:56 |
| brendand_ | elopio, that would be super handy | 14:56 |
| wxl | elfy: does xubuntu core use the standard iso? | 15:01 |
| elfy | the standard mini.iso | 15:01 |
| wxl | oh | 15:01 |
| wxl | elfy: have you seen that someone is suggesting bug 1259525 is back in today's daily? | 15:02 |
| ubot5 | bug 1259525 in Xubuntu Default Settings "Lubuntu & Xubuntu & Ubuntu Kylin lightdm session fails to start. user-session is not set" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1259525 | 15:02 |
| elfy | xubuntu core is one of those you can install from the list, like ubuntu desktop | 15:02 |
| elfy | no, not seen that - just got in from work | 15:03 |
| wxl | btw thx for catching that bug with nto booting in vm. we finally crushed it. | 15:03 |
| wxl | not a lot of testing's been done, so it's hard to invalidate it based on the qa tracker alone | 15:03 |
| elfy | once I'm a bit more chilled I'll boot our image | 15:05 |
| wxl | is something wrong with jenkins? i just noticed all the results are way old https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Ubiquity/view/Lubuntu/ | 15:05 |
| wxl | hehehe | 15:05 |
| elfy | been saying that since December, given up now | 15:08 |
| elopio | brendand_: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/address-book-app/fix_base_class/+merge/256243 | 15:08 |
| elopio | brendand_: is there a bug reported for that? | 15:11 |
| brendand_ | elopio, for what? | 15:11 |
| elfy | wxl: looking like I can ack that bug rebirth | 15:20 |
| elfy | wxl and I can and as a plus in kvm http://i.imgur.com/F2UKnm5.png | 15:26 |
| wxl | elfy: bummer. i was hoping you were going to tell me it was bs. :( wonder if it's the same root cause. | 15:28 |
| elfy | I think that behind it for us I'm seeing the xfce background, which is wrong | 15:29 |
| elfy | yep | 15:34 |
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| elfy | cyphermox: have you caught any of this with wxl and that wicked elfy guy? | 16:07 |
| elfy | eg images all fubar for us again? | 16:07 |
| cyphermox | define fubar? | 16:08 |
| cyphermox | missing characters in vms? | 16:08 |
| elfy | http://i.imgur.com/F2UKnm5.png | 16:08 |
| cyphermox | yeah, I was just looking at that | 16:08 |
| cyphermox | my understanding was that this was a qemu graphics issue | 16:09 |
| elfy | that and in vbox, we appear to be seeing xfce behind the dialogue - http://i.imgur.com/guVSpEH.png | 16:09 |
| elfy | that may be part of the case, but we also get dumped to a login box | 16:09 |
| cyphermox | the background isn't the right one or do you mean the icons? | 16:09 |
| elfy | shouldn't be xfce | 16:10 |
| cyphermox | the icons I saw a bug report and patch from ochosi, but it doesn't fix the issue here | 16:10 |
| cyphermox | ah, okay? | 16:10 |
| cyphermox | tbh, that's likely more of the same reason why the icons show up | 16:10 |
| elfy | yea - not sure this is *that* issue - Xubuntu is happy to ignore that till 15.10 afaik | 16:10 |
| elfy | mmm | 16:10 |
| cyphermox | something isn't completely setting the settings properly for your session | 16:11 |
| elfy | yea | 16:11 |
| elfy | but - it was yesterday | 16:11 |
| cyphermox | but I could maybe take another look at the backgroud | 16:11 |
| cyphermox | elfy: want to take a look whether that wallpaper comes from one of the files listed here? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/view/head:/bin/ubiquity-dm#L369 | 16:12 |
| cyphermox | that would help :) | 16:13 |
| elfy | I'll see what I can find | 16:14 |
| elfy | cyphermox: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10833874/ none of those appear to be in yesterday's image for a start | 16:22 |
| cyphermox | yey... | 16:23 |
| cyphermox | well, that would explain it I guess. We'll just need to figure out why and which one to use instead if it's on purpose | 16:23 |
| elfy | can't even login - username xubuntu with no password | 16:27 |
| cyphermox | ugh | 16:30 |
| cyphermox | alright, downloading the iso | 16:30 |
| cyphermox | amd64 or i386 that you're testing right now? | 16:31 |
| elfy | 64bit here | 16:31 |
| cyphermox | I'm trying to avoid downloading too much, network is abysmal here | 16:31 |
| elfy | :) | 16:32 |
| elfy | cyphermox: ok, so in yesterday's working one xubuntu-wallpaper is a link to xubuntu-vivid | 16:32 |
| elfy | I thought it would, just needed to check | 16:32 |
| cyphermox | cool | 16:33 |
| cyphermox | I can add that as a wallpaper option | 16:33 |
| cyphermox | or if you want, file a merge proposal, I'll do an ubiquity upload soonish | 16:33 |
| elfy | I think that knome was doing something with the slideshow last night - reverting something | 16:33 |
| elfy | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html/revision/677 | 16:34 |
| elfy | reverted something there afaik | 16:34 |
| elfy | as far as MP, I'm not at all sure what we need to do here, what's wrong etc | 16:36 |
| elfy | it's also affected Lubuntu - hence wxl's involvement | 16:37 |
| ianorlin | elfy is that using qxl on qemu? | 16:44 |
| elfy | I have never used qxl | 16:45 |
| elfy | is that a freudian slip :D | 16:45 |
| ianorlin | no | 16:45 |
| ianorlin | ah cause that sort of looks like bug 1261916 | 16:46 |
| ubot5 | bug 1261916 in xserver-xorg-video-qxl (Ubuntu) "Missing letters in spice client session with KVM guest" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1261916 | 16:46 |
| wxl | elfy: ianorlin: just waiting on the desktop images to rebuild. ~30min or less it seems | 16:47 |
| wxl | (for lubuntu) | 16:47 |
| elfy | wxl: I'm using 'todays' | 16:48 |
| elfy | just so you know | 16:48 |
| wxl | elfy: yeah i think xubuntu is in crontab a lot earlier than lubuntu :) | 16:48 |
| wxl | brb going to fix a printer issue for someone :/ | 16:48 |
| elfy | yep | 16:48 |
| elfy | ianorlin: as far as 'kvm' goes I just install it and the manager then use it - then hate it for owning images with root | 16:49 |
| elfy | actually only do it so I can tell infinity and cyphermox it's not *just* a vbox issue ;) | 16:49 |
| wxl | ok builds are done | 16:57 |
| wxl | just waiting for them to show up on the tracker | 16:57 |
| wxl | er rather get uploaded to cdimage | 16:58 |
| Captonjamason | hello | 17:19 |
| cyphermox | wxl: elfy: that's not to fix a wallpaper issue is it? | 17:20 |
| Captonjamason | i found a bug in ubuntu 14.04 | 17:20 |
| wxl | !bugs | Captonjamason | 17:21 |
| ubot5 | Captonjamason: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. | 17:21 |
| Captonjamason | ok | 17:21 |
| Captonjamason | thanks | 17:21 |
| wxl | thank YOU Captonjamason | 17:22 |
| wxl | if you need help with the process, let me know | 17:22 |
| Captonjamason | ok | 17:23 |
| Captonjamason | its kinda wierd | 17:23 |
| wxl | cyphermox: i have no clue. i'm still waiting on our ISOs today to show up on the tracker. | 17:23 |
| wxl | cyphermox: (well, to show up on cdimage. supposedly the builds were successful) | 17:23 |
| Captonjamason | my bug isnt any sort of package | 17:25 |
| wxl | Captonjamason: explain, please | 17:25 |
| Captonjamason | some of the letters i type in dont show up even though they still go through on chat, skype etc. | 17:26 |
| cyphermox | wxl: oh my, the current image really is quite broken | 17:27 |
| Saviq | elopio, hey, could we have someone from your side review https://code.launchpad.net/~macslow/unity8/shellRotation/+merge/256493 please? | 17:27 |
| wxl | this is in what flavor and version, Captonjamason ? | 17:27 |
| wxl | cyphermox: i assume you're referring to xubuntu? | 17:27 |
| Captonjamason | normal ubuntu, 14.04 | 17:27 |
| cyphermox | wxl: yep | 17:27 |
| wxl | Captonjamason: has it always been that way or did it just happen recently? | 17:27 |
| cyphermox | wxl: it's like the live system didn't get setup properly | 17:28 |
| Captonjamason | it just happend recently | 17:28 |
| Captonjamason | im trying to get a screen shot | 17:28 |
| wxl | cyphermox: elfy: could it be related to the recent changes to the seed to add xserver-xorg-*-all as recommends? | 17:28 |
| wxl | Captonjamason: and does it happen in every single application, the terminal included? | 17:29 |
| Captonjamason | excluding terminal | 17:29 |
| cyphermox | wxl: do you use gdm? | 17:29 |
| wxl | cyphermox: no, we use lightdm like everyone else. | 17:30 |
| cyphermox | ok | 17:30 |
| wxl | Captonjamason: can you list all of the apps you know it fails on? | 17:30 |
| Captonjamason | skype, web browsers, file manager, ubuntu store, blender, code::blocks, ubuntu sdk, and sometimes when i search spotify | 17:31 |
| wxl | only sometimes when you search spotify, Captonjamason ? | 17:31 |
| Captonjamason | no | 17:31 |
| Captonjamason | all of those listed above | 17:32 |
| Captonjamason | and spotify sometimes | 17:32 |
| wxl | but never, ever the terminal? | 17:32 |
| Captonjamason | correct | 17:32 |
| wxl | fascinating | 17:32 |
| Captonjamason | its basicly in every app i type in | 17:32 |
| wxl | Captonjamason: you have ibus running, correct? | 17:32 |
| Captonjamason | pretty sure i do | 17:33 |
| Captonjamason | yep | 17:33 |
| Captonjamason | i do | 17:33 |
| Captonjamason | im trying to get a screen shot | 17:33 |
| wxl | try killing it and/or replacing it with a different input manager (e.g. scim) and see what happens | 17:33 |
| wxl | i've had problems like that with ibus before | 17:33 |
| wxl | and they're super inconsistent | 17:33 |
| Captonjamason | well | 17:33 |
| Captonjamason | sometimes when i reboot its fine | 17:33 |
| Captonjamason | but other times it does this "bug" | 17:34 |
| Captonjamason | its insane | 17:35 |
| wxl | i still bet it's ibus | 17:35 |
| Captonjamason | i probably is | 17:35 |
| Captonjamason | *it | 17:36 |
| wxl | here's some potentially related bugs: | 17:36 |
| wxl | bug 1421483 | 17:36 |
| ubot5 | bug 1421483 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "All keyboard input fails: "IBUS-WARNING **: Events queue growing too big"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1421483 | 17:36 |
| Captonjamason | wait | 17:36 |
| wxl | bug 1415678 | 17:36 |
| ubot5 | bug 1415678 in ibus (Ubuntu) "Keyboard input problems in various applications" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1415678 | 17:36 |
| Captonjamason | my keyboard input doesnt fail | 17:36 |
| wxl | bug 1412544 | 17:36 |
| ubot5 | bug 1412544 in ibus (Ubuntu) "After using some keyboard keys cursor disappears in some apps" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1412544 | 17:36 |
| Captonjamason | it still types fine | 17:36 |
| wxl | i get that :) | 17:36 |
| Captonjamason | it still types fine | 17:37 |
| wxl | where the heck are my ISOs, cyphermox ? :( | 17:37 |
| Captonjamason | the letters just pop of the screen | 17:37 |
| cyphermox | just a moment | 17:37 |
| Captonjamason | and then sometimes come back | 17:37 |
| cyphermox | wxl: well, no logs for it yet | 17:38 |
| wxl | cyphermox: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/vivid/lubuntu ? | 17:38 |
| wxl | 40-some-odd-minutes ago | 17:38 |
| wxl | unless it's waiting on that ppc build | 17:39 |
| Captonjamason | vived coming out soon? | 17:39 |
| Captonjamason | *vivid | 17:39 |
| wxl | Captonjamason: yeah next week! | 17:39 |
| cyphermox | ah, you built lubuntu? | 17:39 |
| Captonjamason | hack yeah | 17:39 |
| wxl | cyphermox: well crontab did XD | 17:39 |
| Captonjamason | can wait to upgarde | 17:39 |
| Captonjamason | *grade | 17:39 |
| wxl | heheh | 17:39 |
| cyphermox | wxl: 30 minutes ago? | 17:39 |
| cyphermox | well, 1 hour ago really | 17:40 |
| wxl | cyphermox: they finished building 50 minutes ago! | 17:40 |
| Captonjamason | its impossible for me to type when the letters go away :\ | 17:40 |
| wxl | (except for ppc) | 17:40 |
| wxl | Captonjamason: did you try killing ibus or setting keyboard input method to none? | 17:40 |
| Captonjamason | tried | 17:40 |
| Captonjamason | still didnt do anything | 17:40 |
| cyphermox | wxl: well, ppc looks wedged, if I'm to believe previous build times | 17:41 |
| wxl | Captonjamason: a screenshot will helped | 17:41 |
| Captonjamason | on it | 17:41 |
| cyphermox | wxl: lets move this to #-release | 17:41 |
| wxl | cyphermox: ko | 17:41 |
| Captonjamason | this is a test to show that letter dissaper on my screen | 17:49 |
| Captonjamason | http://i.imgur.com/JZVoGbw.png | 17:49 |
| Captonjamason | thats what it looks like on my screen | 17:49 |
| Captonjamason | i cant even type | 17:49 |
| wxl | Captonjamason: running low on memory perhaps? | 17:49 |
| Captonjamason | 4 gb | 17:49 |
| Captonjamason | 3 gb free | 17:49 |
| wxl | baffling | 17:50 |
| Captonjamason | i dont think im running low | 17:50 |
| Captonjamason | its insane | 17:50 |
| wxl | Captonjamason: i don't offhand know the solution to your problem :( have you asked in #ubuntu? | 17:52 |
| Captonjamason | nah | 17:52 |
| wxl | Captonjamason: i'd start there | 17:52 |
| Captonjamason | this is my first time joining one of the ubuntu chats | 17:52 |
| Captonjamason | i figured coming here | 17:52 |
| wxl | thgat's the official support channel | 17:52 |
| Captonjamason | ill give it a try | 17:52 |
| Captonjamason | but its just insane | 17:53 |
| wxl | Captonjamason: you can also try running ubuntu-bug and it will try to help you find potential packages to file against. you probably could file against ubuntu-meta. | 17:54 |
| Captonjamason | ok | 17:54 |
| Captonjamason | and | 17:55 |
| Captonjamason | what would it take for me to join the QAteam | 17:55 |
| wxl | should be right at the top of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam Captonjamason | 17:56 |
| wxl | basically: join the mailing list, hang out here, join the launchpad group, and get to doing what you want to do | 17:56 |
| wxl | if you have questions, pop in here or send something to the list | 17:56 |
| Captonjamason | ok | 17:56 |
| Captonjamason | i have yet to join mailing list | 17:57 |
| wxl | what in particular are you interested in helping with? | 17:57 |
| Captonjamason | either tester or dev | 17:57 |
| Captonjamason | i havent had much time to tinker with barebones linux | 17:58 |
| wxl | yeah well that's not necessary | 17:58 |
| Captonjamason | so i might not be the best for dev | 17:58 |
| Captonjamason | really | 17:58 |
| wxl | no, unless you want to do kernel development | 17:58 |
| Captonjamason | uhhhh | 17:58 |
| Captonjamason | no | 17:58 |
| wxl | some of the dev work needed doesn't even necessarily require code | 17:58 |
| Captonjamason | alright | 17:58 |
| Captonjamason | im in | 17:59 |
| wxl | like the other day we made a change to one of our seeds so the images would get all their packages pulled in | 17:59 |
| wxl | what i would suggest is this: | 17:59 |
| wxl | 1. do some formal testing | 17:59 |
| wxl | 2. report some bugs while testing | 17:59 |
| wxl | 3. try to figure out how to validate and fix those bugs | 17:59 |
| wxl | 4. fix them | 17:59 |
| wxl | alternately you could search for bugs in packages you're really familiar with | 18:00 |
| Captonjamason | ok | 18:00 |
| wxl | you'll need to ask lots of questions along the way | 18:00 |
| wxl | don't hesitate to ask | 18:00 |
| Captonjamason | i knew that i would need to ask alot of questions | 18:00 |
| Captonjamason | i do have 1 question | 18:00 |
| Captonjamason | to run dev builds and normal builds would i be able to run in virtualbox or do i need to dual boot or have to use a new computer all together? | 18:02 |
| wxl | Captonjamason: there are times where bare metal testing is useful, but most testing is done in vm | 18:02 |
| Captonjamason | figured as much | 18:02 |
| Captonjamason | i have a old computer i can use for bare metal testing | 18:03 |
| Captonjamason | hey | 18:07 |
| wxl | Captonjamason: yes? | 18:08 |
| Captonjamason | question | 18:08 |
| wxl | !ask | Captonjamason ☺ | 18:09 |
| ubot5 | Captonjamason ☺: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience | 18:09 |
| Captonjamason | sorry | 18:09 |
| wxl | np | 18:09 |
| Captonjamason | bet it happens alot on here | 18:09 |
| wxl | more so on the support channels but no prob | 18:10 |
| Captonjamason | anyways for setting up the vm, do i need to set the os type to ubuntu 32bit (i decided to use 32 for testing) or to other 32bit linux | 18:11 |
| wxl | really doesn't matter too much but the ubuntu would suffice | 18:12 |
| Captonjamason | figured as much | 18:12 |
| wxl | btw if you have 64 bit hardware you should be able to test either image | 18:12 |
| Captonjamason | i know | 18:12 |
| Captonjamason | i have 64 bit ubuntu on 64 hardware | 18:12 |
| Captonjamason | im gonna do both 32 and 64 for testing | 18:13 |
| Captonjamason | just wanted to start with 32 | 18:13 |
| wxl | lunch calls, ta | 18:13 |
| Captonjamason | now lunch sounds good | 18:14 |
| Captonjamason | well im off to test | 18:16 |
| Captonjamason | wow | 18:24 |
| Captonjamason | vivid isnt too bad | 18:24 |
| Captonjamason | well in ways of buggyness | 18:24 |
| balloons | elopio, what's up with https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/webapps-core/x-test/+merge/249580? | 18:51 |
| Captonjamason | hmm | 18:53 |
| balloons | Captonjamason, glad you think so.. | 18:54 |
| * balloons wonders how long till Captonjamason manages to break something | 18:54 | |
| Captonjamason | im deeply offended | 18:54 |
| Captonjamason | i just took a look at it | 18:54 |
| Captonjamason | that was it | 18:55 |
| Captonjamason | im working on trying to fix a bug | 18:55 |
| balloons | Captonjamason, I meant "break" in a good way, my apologies. | 18:57 |
| Captonjamason | lol | 18:58 |
| Captonjamason | anything i need to work on except bug tracking | 18:59 |
| cyphermox | elfy: so the wallpaper issue will be fixed in the next image | 18:59 |
| Captonjamason | well i guess i found a bug on vivid build' | 19:00 |
| Captonjamason | was live cd working yet? | 19:01 |
| Captonjamason | hello? | 19:02 |
| elopio | balloons: that's in the web team's hands now. I don't understand why it has not merged. | 19:04 |
| balloons | elopio, ack, I'll ask alex | 19:04 |
| elopio | balloons: thanks. | 19:06 |
| elopio | Saviq: I'll add it to the TODO. | 19:06 |
| Saviq | elopio, thanks! | 19:06 |
| Captonjamason | umm balloons, was live cd working in the newest vived update | 19:06 |
| Captonjamason | *vivid | 19:07 |
| Captonjamason | balloons: was live cd working in the newest vivid update | 19:09 |
| Captonjamason | or is that a question for someone else | 19:11 |
| balloons | Captonjamason, I don't have today's image so I'm not sure | 19:12 |
| balloons | I've not synced yet | 19:12 |
| Captonjamason | alright | 19:12 |
| Captonjamason | when i clicked live cd it took me to a login page??? | 19:13 |
| Captonjamason | what would i login with | 19:14 |
| Captonjamason | well lunch calls | 19:15 |
| balloons | Captonjamason, that means the desktop is failing for some reason | 19:17 |
| balloons | if you try and login my guess is it will attempt to spawn a new session, fail, and return you to the login screen | 19:17 |
| Captonjamason | hmmmm | 19:20 |
| Captonjamason | thats what it did | 19:20 |
| wxl | did you check the md5 Captonjamason ? | 19:20 |
| Captonjamason | yea | 19:20 |
| wxl | then perhaps the issue that elfy brought to my attention is affecting more than xubuntu (and maybe lubuntu) | 19:21 |
| Captonjamason | well thats nice | 19:21 |
| Captonjamason | what was the issue | 19:23 |
| wxl | a little error in an uplaod, Captonjamason | 19:26 |
| wxl | one little out of place '\' | 19:26 |
| wxl | always the stupid stuff :) | 19:26 |
| wxl | fix is uploaded, just waiting on everything to sync up | 19:26 |
| Captonjamason | cool | 19:28 |
| wxl | https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/user-setup/ubuntu/revision/287 fwiw | 19:28 |
| wxl | give it a bit and then we'll need to rebuild everything | 19:29 |
| wxl | balloons: you may want to be kept aware of the above ↑ | 19:29 |
| Captonjamason | question | 19:30 |
| Captonjamason | i need to get bazaar? | 19:31 |
| wxl | if you're going to do development, you'll certainly want bazaar | 19:31 |
| Captonjamason | can i get a link for bazaar | 19:31 |
| Captonjamason | i dont have it | 19:31 |
| wxl | even if you don't, it's good sometimes when bug hunting because then you can grab the code and recusively grep it for some important string | 19:31 |
| balloons | wxl, ahh yes, that would be it | 19:31 |
| wxl | elfy: fyi that bug affects everyone; see above | 19:32 |
| Captonjamason | crap | 19:32 |
| Captonjamason | i have a assighnment | 19:33 |
| Captonjamason | i cant type | 19:33 |
| wxl | this should help with bazaar Captonjamason https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bzr?action=show&redirect=Bazaar | 19:33 |
| Captonjamason | thanks | 19:34 |
| wxl | np | 19:34 |
| Captonjamason | i will work on that in a bit | 19:34 |
| Captonjamason | i need to finish this | 19:34 |
| Captonjamason | dangit | 19:37 |
| Captonjamason | wxl, terminal wont let me install bzr, it says theres another program using admin accses, i have no other programs running except for spotify and firefox | 19:38 |
| Captonjamason | i cant type | 19:38 |
| wxl | Captonjamason: you sure synaptic or anything isn't running? | 19:39 |
| Captonjamason | pretty sure | 19:39 |
| Captonjamason | lemme try it again | 19:39 |
| Captonjamason | this is what it ga ve me | 19:39 |
| Captonjamason | jamason@JAMASON-X551MA:~$ sudo apt-get install bzr [sudo] password for jamason: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? | 19:39 |
| wxl | if you're SURE that no other package manager of any kind is running, then you can just rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock and carry on | 19:40 |
| Captonjamason | ok | 19:40 |
| Captonjamason | and yes i dont have any other package managers running | 19:41 |
| Captonjamason | i dont use synaptic | 19:41 |
| wxl | well if you had a separate dpkg process running | 19:41 |
| wxl | or aptitude | 19:41 |
| Captonjamason | nope | 19:42 |
| wxl | or any other apt-get process | 19:42 |
| wxl | etc | 19:42 |
| wxl | if not, the lock gets stuck sometimes | 19:42 |
| Captonjamason | ok | 19:42 |
| Captonjamason | i used that command and got it working | 19:42 |
| wxl | Captonjamason: you could also `sudo lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock` if you want to see what command is complaining about it | 19:43 |
| Captonjamason | well | 19:44 |
| Captonjamason | its kinda too late | 19:44 |
| Captonjamason | gimme a sec | 19:44 |
| Captonjamason | reboot | 19:44 |
| wxl | yep | 19:44 |
| wxl | just saying in the future | 19:44 |
| Captonjamason | ok | 19:45 |
| Captonjamason | back | 19:52 |
| Captonjamason | and i dont have the letter glitch wxl | 19:52 |
| Captonjamason | and im on utopic now | 19:54 |
| Captonjamason | could i get that link for bzr back wxl | 19:56 |
| wxl | this should help with bazaar Captonjamason https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bzr?action=show&redirect=Bazaar | 19:57 |
| Captonjamason | thanks | 19:57 |
| Captonjamason | hey wxl, when i run ssh-keygen -t rsa -C "Your Name <your-email-address@wherever.com>" as a command it says " To many varibles" | 20:01 |
| Captonjamason | i changed the name and email to mine | 20:01 |
| wxl | Captonjamason: you can just do `ssh-keygen -t rsa` and it will ask you for a commend if you like | 20:03 |
| Captonjamason | thanks | 20:03 |
| Captonjamason | is that page outdated maby | 20:03 |
| Captonjamason | it didnt ask me | 20:04 |
| wxl | Captonjamason: it doesn't matter too much | 20:05 |
| Captonjamason | ok | 20:05 |
| Captonjamason | done | 20:10 |
| Captonjamason | what do i do now | 20:10 |
| Captonjamason | do i need to do something after putting in my ssh key? | 20:14 |
| Captonjamason | hello? | 20:15 |
| elfy | what? | 20:15 |
| Captonjamason | wxl was helping me out with setting up bazzar | 20:16 |
| wxl | sorry Captonjamason too many things going on | 20:16 |
| Captonjamason | np | 20:16 |
| wxl | did you upload your key to launchpad? | 20:17 |
| Captonjamason | i compleatly understand | 20:17 |
| Captonjamason | yes | 20:17 |
| wxl | then try grabbing something | 20:17 |
| Captonjamason | how? | 20:17 |
| wxl | here's an example: bzr branch lp:lubuntu-default-settings | 20:18 |
| Captonjamason | ok | 20:19 |
| Captonjamason | done | 20:21 |
| Captonjamason | did that do something | 20:21 |
| Captonjamason | im more familiar with svn then git or bazaar | 20:21 |
| wxl | cd to lubuntu-default-settings | 20:22 |
| wxl | they're very similar | 20:22 |
| Captonjamason | ok | 20:22 |
| Captonjamason | woah | 20:22 |
| Captonjamason | thats pretty cool for one command | 20:22 |
| Captonjamason | one thing though, when i ran that it said i had to give my launchpad id or something like that | 20:24 |
| wxl | oh yeah | 20:25 |
| wxl | hm maybe that site is not the best | 20:25 |
| wxl | try doing bzr launchpad-login | 20:25 |
| Captonjamason | k | 20:25 |
| Captonjamason | No Launchpad user ID configured... | 20:26 |
| Captonjamason | why terminal | 20:26 |
| wxl | why not? :) | 20:26 |
| Captonjamason | it no work | 20:27 |
| wxl | try `bzr launchpad-login id` where id is your launchpad id | 20:28 |
| Captonjamason | where can i find my launchpad id | 20:29 |
| wxl | on your launchpad page | 20:29 |
| wxl | where you uploaded your ssh key | 20:29 |
| Captonjamason | thanks | 20:29 |
| Captonjamason | i know i probably seem like a noob | 20:29 |
| Captonjamason | sorry about that | 20:30 |
| Captonjamason | hey wxl | 20:31 |
| Captonjamason | bzr: ERROR: The user name https://launchpad.net/~minecraftdude2471 is not registered on Launchpad. | 20:31 |
| Captonjamason | thats what it gave me | 20:31 |
| wxl | get rid of the rest of the url and use only your id Captonjamason | 20:32 |
| Captonjamason | k | 20:32 |
| Captonjamason | it worked | 20:32 |
| Captonjamason | so how can i get the daily builds | 20:33 |
| wxl | you mean the isos or what? | 20:33 |
| Captonjamason | isos | 20:34 |
| wxl | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ | 20:34 |
| Captonjamason | thanks | 20:34 |
| Captonjamason | what is Mythbuntu | 20:38 |
| wxl | !mythbuntu | Captonjamason | 20:39 |
| ubot5 | Captonjamason: Mythbuntu is an Ubuntu derivative centered upon setting up a standalone MythTV system. See: http://www.mythbuntu.org for more information and #ubuntu-mythtv | 20:39 |
| Captonjamason | thats kinda cool | 20:39 |
| Captonjamason | !ubuntustudio | 20:39 |
| ubot5 | UbuntuStudio is a collection of packages for the artist who wishes to use Ubuntu as their Digital Audio Workstation. It contains all the best Audio/Visual components from the Ubuntu repositories. For more info and install instructions, join #ubuntustudio or see http://ubuntustudio.org | 20:39 |
| wxl | !lubuntu | captonjamason: i spend most of my time working with | 20:43 |
| ubot5 | captonjamason: i spend most of my time working with: lubuntu is Ubuntu with LXDE instead of !GNOME as desktop environment, which makes it extremely lightweight. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu - /join #lubuntu for lubuntu support. | 20:43 |
| elfy | Captonjamason: any real reason for pinging the bo? | 20:43 |
| elfy | t even | 20:43 |
| wxl | elfy: i think he just learned there are bot commands so was making use out of them | 20:43 |
| knome | !bot > Captonjamason | 20:43 |
| ubot5 | Captonjamason, please see my private message | 20:43 |
| wxl | Captonjamason: you can /msg ubot5 !whatever | 20:44 |
| elfy | or stop trolling | 20:44 |
| knome | these might have been a bit hidden until a while, but they are recently updated: | 20:44 |
| knome | Captonjamason, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/DevelopmentSetup | 20:44 |
| elfy | or stop trolling | 20:44 |
| knome | and others are: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/DevelopmentToolsSetup and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/DevelopmentToolsUsage | 20:45 |
| knome | they are now linked to from the QATeam front page. | 20:45 |
| wxl | thx knome | 20:45 |
| knome | which reminds me i should work on the QATeam wiki more | 20:45 |
| knome | balloons, ping | 20:45 |
| elfy | biding time | 20:45 |
| Captonjamason | why is the chat going all crazy now | 20:45 |
| balloons | knome, pong | 20:46 |
| elfy | hey balloons | 20:46 |
| knome | balloons, want to have a wiki sprint? | 20:46 |
| balloons | hey elfy knome :-) | 20:47 |
| elfy | Captonjamason: troll alerts - imagine | 20:47 |
| balloons | a wiki sprint.. interesting.. | 20:47 |
| knome | Captonjamason, it's just the crazy xubuntu folks stepping in | 20:47 |
| balloons | what sort of format would it take? live editing or ? | 20:47 |
| wxl | elfy: behave. he's new here and trying to figure his way around. | 20:47 |
| knome | balloons, whatever we did before | 20:47 |
| knome | balloons, i mean not a scheduled, i mean *right now* :) | 20:48 |
| elfy | wxl: right | 20:48 |
| elfy | Captonjamason: if you are, then all power to you, but please do not Enter as punctuation - we can all try at that ;) | 20:49 |
| balloons | knome, ahh, I see :-) | 20:49 |
| balloons | knome, no time like the present.. | 20:52 |
| knome | yep! | 20:52 |
| knome | so... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/FAQ | 20:52 |
| knome | and did you do work with the tracker pages? | 20:53 |
| knome | i think you did | 20:54 |
| * knome claps | 20:55 | |
| * balloons looks puzzled | 20:58 | |
| balloons | yes the tracker pages.. and the walkthroughs. I've looked at them and done some editing, but I can't commit to updating the videos | 20:59 |
| knome | heh | 21:00 |
| ianorlin | hmm I still have to hard power off desktop images on my laptop | 21:19 |
| wxl | is that solely a lubuntu thing ianorlin ? | 21:20 |
| ianorlin | haven't tried yet might try unity | 21:20 |
| wxl | is it the installer or the installed system? | 21:20 |
| ianorlin | installer post install | 21:20 |
| ianorlin | it worked on my mom laptop live session yesterday | 21:20 |
| ianorlin | this might be hardware specific | 21:20 |
| wxl | so these are all bare metal tests? | 21:21 |
| ianorlin | yes | 21:22 |
| wxl | have you tried virtual at all? | 21:22 |
| wxl | elfy: looks like your rebuilts got the new users-admin but the old ubiquity. i trust they don't work? | 21:22 |
| ianorlin | wxl on kvm with qxl graphics it stops after I click to the restart now buttons and doesn't get past that which is different | 21:45 |
| wxl | with which image ianorlin ? | 21:46 |
| ianorlin | desktop amd64 | 21:46 |
| wxl | so ubuntu | 21:46 |
| ianorlin | altenrates seemed to never have this problem | 21:47 |
| wxl | er lubuntu i mean | 21:47 |
| ianorlin | yep I haven't tried live session on bare metal for today's image | 21:52 |
| wxl | today's image is borked | 21:54 |
| wxl | waiting for the new ubiquity to get uplaoaded so i can schedule a rebuild | 21:54 |
| wxl | we need 2.21.22 ianorlin | 21:56 |
| ianorlin | wxl yet I actually got it to shut down from live session but pressing the enter on my numpad | 21:56 |
| wxl | weird' | 21:56 |
| ianorlin | I may end up trying manual install and seeing if I can shutdown with that enter there | 21:57 |
| ianorlin | wxl ah it is working if I press power button from broken live session it works not after install | 22:05 |
| ianorlin | should this be a new bug? | 22:05 |
| wxl | wasn't there a bug filed against something similar? | 22:07 |
| ianorlin | yeah but they all seem fix released | 22:13 |
| wxl | even the one that was reported yesterday on the tracker? | 22:14 |
| wxl | i think i' | 22:15 |
| wxl | m going to try the rebuild | 22:15 |
| ianorlin | um it even happens on the ones that I have the casper for fix released | 22:18 |
| wxl | gimme a sec and i'll check it out ianorlin | 22:20 |
| wxl | argh i can't find the darn thing | 22:23 |
| wxl | sometimes i really hate the iso tracker | 22:23 |
| elfy | mmmm | 22:25 |
| elfy | xubuntu core is rebuilding for some reason DalekSec | 22:26 |
| DalekSec | Hrm. Release Candidate therefore everything gets 'rebuilt'? It more or less should be the same as with upgrades. | 22:26 |
| wxl | yeah looks like we need a new bug ianorlin | 22:30 |
| wxl | bug 1436715 and bug 966480 are the two i know of and supposedly casper fixed them both | 22:31 |
| ubot5 | bug 1436715 in casper (Ubuntu Vivid) "Vivid DVD fails to reboot or shutdown w/o hard reset" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1436715 | 22:31 |
| ubot5 | bug 966480 in plymouth (Ubuntu Precise) "The prompt asking for media removal is not shown at the end of the installation" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/966480 | 22:31 |
| ianorlin | wxl I have something that makes no sense if you mount the alternate installer image navigate to /boot/grub/efiX86_64 and it show grub files as music files | 22:42 |
| ianorlin | that is very confusing | 22:42 |
| wxl | whoa?! :) | 22:42 |
| wxl | just cat them out to /dev/dsp and see what happens hehe | 22:42 |
| Captonjamason | hey | 22:48 |
| Captonjamason | hello | 22:48 |
| ianorlin | hmm what to file the bug agianst? | 22:50 |
| wxl | i'd probably call it ubiquity | 22:51 |
| ianorlin | wxl but I do I report this as it is after I can get to a shell | 22:51 |
| ianorlin | apport-collcet? | 22:51 |
| wxl | ubuntu-bug it if you can | 22:52 |
| Captonjamason | what about ubiquity | 22:53 |
| ianorlin | at the restart now prompt? | 22:53 |
| Captonjamason | oh a bug with ubiquity | 22:54 |
| wxl | hm you can't get a vt on it? | 22:54 |
| ianorlin | not once I hit restart now | 22:59 |
| ianorlin | argh and the showing as music also happens after installing nautilus | 22:59 |
| wxl | shoot | 23:00 |
| wxl | looks like they're already building finals | 23:00 |
| Captonjamason | is that bad wxl | 23:00 |
| wxl | new daily rebuilds are almost up, but that may slow things down a bit | 23:00 |
| ianorlin | the file command shows the images as executable | 23:00 |
| wxl | Captonjamason: not exactly. home stretch for vivid, but i want to get rid of this last bug before we go final. | 23:00 |
| ianorlin | wxl I may also want to test on this desktop to see if it is hardware dependent | 23:01 |
| ianorlin | but it did in vm as well | 23:01 |
| wxl | ianorlin: ok new rebuilds are up | 23:04 |
| wxl | need to do a really quick smoke test | 23:04 |
| elfy | cyphermox: ok, proper backdrop, reboots - still hangs on reboot in vbox | 23:23 |
| ianorlin | I am trying on bare metal and on ssd on my laptop | 23:25 |
| ianorlin | elfy do you have a bug for that? | 23:27 |
| elfy | same as previous | 23:28 |
| elfy | kvm works | 23:28 |
| elfy | just sorting a stick for a hardware boot | 23:28 |
| ianorlin | I have one in progress | 23:29 |
| elfy | yep | 23:29 |
| ianorlin | argh can't switch to a tty on this image | 23:37 |
| Captonjamason | im back | 23:38 |
| Captonjamason | hey wxl, pulseaudio is acting up | 23:43 |
| wxl | i am certainly no big fan of pulse, but what's the issue, Captonjamason ? | 23:43 |
| Captonjamason | 1 sec | 23:44 |
| Captonjamason | i fixed it by doing nothing | 23:45 |
| Captonjamason | it said dummy output instead of my speakers | 23:45 |
| ianorlin | oh wow root is only users on this system | 23:45 |
| Captonjamason | ? | 23:46 |
| ianorlin | I couldn't even use my normal way of right clicking then launching lxterminal from the installer but I could launch firefox download a directory and then launch pcmanfm | 23:46 |
| ianorlin | then I could launch only xterm | 23:46 |
| Captonjamason | weird | 23:46 |
| Captonjamason | i havent used xterm or uxterm at all, whats the diffrence between those 2 and terminal | 23:48 |
| Captonjamason | and wxl, i dont like alsa a single bit, jack wont work, and i dont like pulse but i have to use it. | 23:50 |
| wxl | jack works fine for me, but it's not a good solution for desktop users | 23:50 |
| wxl | also if you use pulse you use alsa | 23:50 |
| wxl | and that's one of the bigger gripes i have about pulse: it's just extra fluff with little value | 23:51 |
| Captonjamason | same with me | 23:51 |
| wxl | alsa works fine | 23:51 |
| Captonjamason | i meant by alsa without like pulseaudio volume control | 23:52 |
| Captonjamason | barebones alsa | 23:52 |
| wxl | yep, alsamixer works good | 23:53 |
| Captonjamason | its ok | 23:53 |
| Captonjamason | when i wore my awsome headphones when using "BareBoneALSA" i had static | 23:53 |
| wxl | probably had mic on or something of the sort | 23:54 |
| Captonjamason | nah | 23:54 |
| Captonjamason | those dont have mics | 23:54 |
| Captonjamason | *mic | 23:54 |
| Captonjamason | and worst part was i was working in ardour | 23:55 |
| Captonjamason | so i needed to have almost perfect audio | 23:55 |
| Captonjamason | so barebonesalsa didnt work all that great for me | 23:56 |
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