[01:42] <lenovoBob> Hi all. I am trying to add my hardware info to this page, but I don't see an edit option. I am logged into the page. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hardware
[01:46] <lenovoBob> hello? anyone not afk?
[09:35] <nerochiaro> elopio: hi, do you know who would be the best person to ask questions to about autopilot ?
[09:40] <brendand> nerochiaro, please ping ubuntu-qa for help
[09:41] <brendand> nerochiaro, in the meantime, what question did you have?
[09:43] <nerochiaro> brendand: ubuntu-qa: just wanted to know if there was a way in AP to get a list of elements in the correct order. select_many does not guarantee order, but i need to test the order of items in a list
[09:54] <fgimenez> nerochiaro, can you select_single the list and check the elements from there?
[09:55] <nerochiaro> fgimenez: what do you mean "check the elements from there" ? how do i access them in order ?
[09:58] <fgimenez> nerochiaro, the list node returned by select_single should have an attribute representing the items, have you got an example of this?
[10:00] <brendand> nerochiaro, have you looked at the listview helpers from ubuntu-ui-toolkit?
[10:01] <nerochiaro> brendand: no, that's a good tip. are they documented somewhere or should i look into the source ?
[10:01] <brendand> nerochiaro, they are documented. let me see
[10:03] <brendand> nerochiaro, http://people.canonical.com/~nskaggs/autopilot-sdk-helpers.html, doesn't look very complete though
[10:04] <nerochiaro> brendand: right. does not have anything that can help me in the listview helper it seems
[10:06] <brendand> nerochiaro, no it seems not
[10:07] <brendand> nerochiaro, heh - look at this:
[10:07] <brendand>     def _get_first_item(self):
[10:07] <brendand>         """Returns the first item from the ListView."""
[10:07] <brendand>         items = self.get_children_by_type('QQuickItem')[0].get_children()
[10:07] <brendand>         items = sorted(items, key=lambda item: item.globalRect.y)
[10:07] <brendand>         return items[0]
[10:08] <brendand> nerochiaro, sorting the items by the y co-ordinate. clever :P
[10:08] <nerochiaro> brendand: wow, that's clever. where does it come from ?
[10:08] <brendand> nerochiaro, from the QQuickListView CPO. But it's a private method
[10:08] <nerochiaro> brendand: well then, i am stealing it
[10:08] <brendand> nerochiaro, there's no helper function to return all items sorted
[10:09] <brendand> nerochiaro, and also you probably want to get_children_by_type as it does, rather than using select_many
[10:09] <nerochiaro> brendand: why ?
[10:09] <brendand> nerochiaro, well it reads better for one
[10:10] <nerochiaro> brendand: right
[10:10] <brendand> nerochiaro, although if you're doing the select_many from the listview itself it won't matter
[10:10] <brendand> nerochiaro, if you're doing from a higher level then there's the (unlikely) possibility it could get items which aren't part of the list view you care about
[10:11] <nerochiaro> brendand: got it. thanks
[10:11] <nerochiaro> brendand: out of curiosity, what's the "CPO" you mentioned before ?
[10:11] <brendand> nerochiaro, custom proxy object
[10:11] <brendand> nerochiaro, basically autopilot wraps things in a 'proxy object'
[10:11] <brendand> nerochiaro, things that it introspects
[10:12] <brendand> nerochiaro, and the custom indicates that you override the default one to add some useful functions
[10:14] <nerochiaro> brendand: understood. and the code works great too. great help, thank you
[13:22] <dobey> elopio: no, it's not a bug exactly. the test doesn't get run, but the setUp and tearDown do, which is a bit annoying for the autopilot tests as it means the app gets spawned/killed still
[14:01] <brendand_> dobey, that's the one that should be fixed in upstream testtools
[14:04] <elopio> dobey: ah, it was that, right.
[14:05] <elopio> in the end veebers went with self.skipTest in the setup, so we are good.
[14:11] <elopio> brendand_: the dash breaks, as in the functionality of the dash?
[14:11] <brendand_> elopio, well it doesn't start i don't think
[14:11] <elopio> or the tests helpers for the dash stop working as expected?
[14:11] <brendand_> elopio, current symptoms are - the area where the dash should be is blank , and the test cannot find the MainView
[14:12] <elopio> brendand_: and what happens if you start unity manually?
[14:12] <brendand_> elopio, i'm installing the uitk staging ppa to see if it's a problem there
[14:12] <brendand_> elopio, same thing
[14:12] <dobey> brendand_: i don't think it's a testtools problem. it's just how python and unit tests in python, work
[14:13] <elopio> brendand_: we didn't touch production code at all. It would be good if you tell zoltan about it so they fix it.
[14:13] <brendand_> dobey, unless something has changed, in fact the bug doesn't happen when run using unittest's test runner
[14:14] <brendand_> dobey, so it is a test tools problem. unless we're talking about a new issue that has the same symptoms as the one i looked at yonks ago
[14:14] <brendand_> elopio, well i need to prove it happens without using our code, which i'm doing right now
[14:15] <brendand_> elopio, it could also be to do with an interaction between the unreleased version of unity8 and the uitk staging code
[14:15] <brendand_> elopio, since i installed both to get the upstreamed helpers
[14:15] <dobey> brendand_: i'm not sure what you're talking about exactly, but i don't see how a decorator would be evaluated differently in standard python unittest. decorators are evaluated by the interpreter when the method they decorate is run
[14:15] <elopio> brendand_: right, that's possible.
[14:16] <brendand_> dobey, maybe i missed a bit of context then and it's not actually the same issue
[14:17] <brendand_> dobey, is there a bug?
[14:18] <dobey> brendand_: i haven't filed any bug for this
[14:18] <dobey> afaik, unittest does the same thing; it calls setUp(), calls the test_foo() method, then calls tearDown()
[14:20] <brendand_> dobey, https://github.com/testing-cabal/testtools/issues/86
[14:20] <fgimenez> brendand_, elopio i'm seeing the same blank scope as well since yesterday, i thought it had to do with my setup
[14:21] <brendand_> fgimenez, did you have those packages installed?
[14:21] <dobey> brendand_: oh ok. *shrug*
[14:21] <fgimenez> brendand_, yes
[14:21] <brendand_> dobey, is that the same issue?
[14:21] <dobey> brendand_: https://github.com/testing-cabal/testtools/pull/103 says it was fixed in september
[14:22] <fgimenez> brendand_, it breaks the dash completely, after a reboot the scope is still blank
[14:22] <brendand_> dobey, yeah - but only upstream
[14:22] <dobey> brendand_: try ppa:dobey/testtools and see if it fixes it for you?
[14:23] <dobey> brendand_: if so, then yet another good reason to get the new testtools into the distro :)
[14:29] <brendand_> elopio, good news, it's not our code
[14:29] <brendand_> elopio, bad news is uitk staging is busted
[14:29] <brendand_> elopio, well - bad news for the sdk team :P
[14:54] <brendand_> elopio, for https://trello.com/c/Ky65SZNk/142-epic-04-spike-add-the-right-proxy-extension-bases-to-cpos, do you know which suites are affected?
[14:54] <brendand_> elopio, you mentioned address_book
[14:54] <elopio> address book, system settings, webbrowser.
[14:54] <elopio> I think that's it.
[14:55] <brendand_> elopio, at least of the ones sanity touches, right?
[14:56] <brendand_> elopio, do you have an MP that shows what kind of change needs to be done?
[14:56] <brendand_> elopio, that would be super handy
[15:01] <wxl> elfy: does xubuntu core use the standard iso?
[15:01] <elfy> the standard mini.iso
[15:01] <wxl> oh
[15:02] <wxl> elfy: have you seen that someone is suggesting bug 1259525 is back in today's daily?
[15:02] <elfy> xubuntu core is one of those you can install from the list, like ubuntu desktop
[15:03] <elfy> no, not seen that - just got in from work
[15:03] <wxl> btw thx for catching that bug with nto booting in vm. we finally crushed it.
[15:03] <wxl> not a lot of testing's been done, so it's hard to invalidate it based on the qa tracker alone
[15:05] <elfy> once I'm a bit more chilled I'll boot our image
[15:05] <wxl> is something wrong with jenkins? i just noticed all the results are way old https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Ubiquity/view/Lubuntu/
[15:05] <wxl> hehehe
[15:08] <elfy> been saying that since December, given up now
[15:08] <elopio> brendand_: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/address-book-app/fix_base_class/+merge/256243
[15:11] <elopio> brendand_: is there a bug reported for that?
[15:11] <brendand_> elopio, for what?
[15:20] <elfy> wxl: looking like I can ack that bug rebirth
[15:26] <elfy> wxl and I can and as a plus in kvm http://i.imgur.com/F2UKnm5.png
[15:28] <wxl> elfy: bummer. i was hoping you were going to tell me it was bs. :( wonder if it's the same root cause.
[15:29] <elfy> I think that behind it for us I'm seeing the xfce background, which is wrong
[15:34] <elfy> yep
[16:07] <elfy> cyphermox: have you caught any of this with wxl and that wicked elfy guy?
[16:07] <elfy> eg images all fubar for us again?
[16:08] <cyphermox> define fubar?
[16:08] <cyphermox> missing characters in vms?
[16:08] <elfy> http://i.imgur.com/F2UKnm5.png
[16:08] <cyphermox> yeah, I was just looking at that
[16:09] <cyphermox> my understanding was that this was a qemu graphics issue
[16:09] <elfy> that and in vbox, we appear to be seeing xfce behind the dialogue - http://i.imgur.com/guVSpEH.png
[16:09] <elfy> that may be part of the case, but we also get dumped to a login box
[16:09] <cyphermox> the background isn't the right one or do you mean the icons?
[16:10] <elfy> shouldn't be xfce
[16:10] <cyphermox> the icons I saw a bug report and patch from ochosi, but it doesn't fix the issue here
[16:10] <cyphermox> ah, okay?
[16:10] <cyphermox> tbh, that's likely more of the same reason why the icons show up
[16:10] <elfy> yea - not sure this is *that* issue - Xubuntu is happy to ignore that till 15.10 afaik
[16:10] <elfy> mmm
[16:11] <cyphermox> something isn't completely setting the settings properly for your session
[16:11] <elfy> yea
[16:11] <elfy> but - it was yesterday
[16:11] <cyphermox> but I could maybe take another look at the backgroud
[16:12] <cyphermox> elfy: want to take a look whether that wallpaper comes from one of the files listed here? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/view/head:/bin/ubiquity-dm#L369
[16:13] <cyphermox> that would help :)
[16:14] <elfy> I'll see what I can find
[16:22] <elfy> cyphermox: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10833874/ none of those appear to be in yesterday's image for a start
[16:23] <cyphermox> yey...
[16:23] <cyphermox> well, that would explain it I guess. We'll just need to figure out why and which one to use instead if it's on purpose
[16:27] <elfy> can't even login - username xubuntu with no password
[16:30] <cyphermox> ugh
[16:30] <cyphermox> alright, downloading the iso
[16:31] <cyphermox> amd64 or i386 that you're testing right now?
[16:31] <elfy> 64bit here
[16:31] <cyphermox> I'm trying to avoid downloading too much, network is abysmal here
[16:32] <elfy> :)
[16:32] <elfy> cyphermox: ok, so in yesterday's working one xubuntu-wallpaper is a link to xubuntu-vivid
[16:32] <elfy> I thought it would, just needed to check
[16:33] <cyphermox> cool
[16:33] <cyphermox> I can add that as a wallpaper option
[16:33] <cyphermox> or if you want, file a merge proposal, I'll do an ubiquity upload soonish
[16:33] <elfy> I think that knome was doing something with the slideshow last night - reverting something
[16:34] <elfy> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html/revision/677
[16:34] <elfy> reverted something there afaik
[16:36] <elfy> as far as MP, I'm not at all sure what we need to do here, what's wrong etc
[16:37] <elfy> it's also affected Lubuntu - hence wxl's involvement
[16:44] <ianorlin> elfy is that using qxl on qemu?
[16:45] <elfy> I have never used qxl
[16:45] <elfy> is that a freudian slip :D
[16:45] <ianorlin> no
[16:46] <ianorlin> ah cause that sort of looks like bug 1261916
[16:47] <wxl> elfy: ianorlin: just waiting on the desktop images to rebuild. ~30min or less it seems
[16:47] <wxl> (for lubuntu)
[16:48] <elfy> wxl: I'm using 'todays'
[16:48] <elfy> just so you know
[16:48] <wxl> elfy: yeah i think xubuntu is in crontab a lot earlier than lubuntu :)
[16:48] <wxl> brb going to fix a printer issue for someone :/
[16:48] <elfy> yep
[16:49] <elfy> ianorlin: as far as 'kvm' goes I just install it and the manager then use it - then hate it for owning images with root
[16:49] <elfy> actually only do it so I can tell infinity and cyphermox it's not *just* a vbox issue ;)
[16:57] <wxl> ok builds are done
[16:57] <wxl> just waiting for them to show up on the tracker
[16:58] <wxl> er rather get uploaded to cdimage
[17:19] <Captonjamason> hello
[17:20] <cyphermox> wxl: elfy: that's not to fix a wallpaper issue is it?
[17:20] <Captonjamason> i found a bug in ubuntu 14.04
[17:21] <wxl> !bugs | Captonjamason
[17:21] <Captonjamason> ok
[17:21] <Captonjamason> thanks
[17:22] <wxl> thank YOU Captonjamason
[17:22] <wxl> if you need help with the process, let me know
[17:23] <Captonjamason> ok
[17:23] <Captonjamason> its kinda wierd
[17:23] <wxl> cyphermox: i have no clue. i'm still waiting on our ISOs today to show up on the tracker.
[17:23] <wxl> cyphermox: (well, to show up on cdimage. supposedly the builds were successful)
[17:25] <Captonjamason> my bug isnt any sort of package
[17:25] <wxl> Captonjamason: explain, please
[17:26] <Captonjamason> some of the letters i type in dont show up even though they still go through on chat, skype etc.
[17:27] <cyphermox> wxl: oh my, the current image really is quite broken
[17:27] <Saviq> elopio, hey, could we have someone from your side review https://code.launchpad.net/~macslow/unity8/shellRotation/+merge/256493 please?
[17:27] <wxl> this is in what flavor and version, Captonjamason ?
[17:27] <wxl> cyphermox: i assume you're referring to xubuntu?
[17:27] <Captonjamason> normal ubuntu, 14.04
[17:27] <cyphermox> wxl: yep
[17:27] <wxl> Captonjamason: has it always been that way or did it just happen recently?
[17:28] <cyphermox> wxl: it's like the live system didn't get setup properly
[17:28] <Captonjamason> it just happend recently
[17:28] <Captonjamason> im trying to get a screen shot
[17:28] <wxl> cyphermox: elfy: could it be related to the recent changes to the seed to add xserver-xorg-*-all as recommends?
[17:29] <wxl> Captonjamason: and does it happen in every single application, the terminal included?
[17:29] <Captonjamason> excluding terminal
[17:29] <cyphermox> wxl: do you use gdm?
[17:30] <wxl> cyphermox: no, we use lightdm like everyone else.
[17:30] <cyphermox> ok
[17:30] <wxl> Captonjamason: can you list all of the apps you know it fails on?
[17:31] <Captonjamason> skype, web browsers, file manager, ubuntu store, blender, code::blocks, ubuntu sdk, and sometimes when i search spotify
[17:31] <wxl> only sometimes when you search spotify, Captonjamason ?
[17:31] <Captonjamason> no
[17:32] <Captonjamason> all of those listed above
[17:32] <Captonjamason> and spotify sometimes
[17:32] <wxl> but never, ever the terminal?
[17:32] <Captonjamason> correct
[17:32] <wxl> fascinating
[17:32] <Captonjamason> its basicly in every app i type in
[17:32] <wxl> Captonjamason: you have ibus running, correct?
[17:33] <Captonjamason> pretty sure i do
[17:33] <Captonjamason> yep
[17:33] <Captonjamason> i do
[17:33] <Captonjamason> im trying to get a screen shot
[17:33] <wxl> try killing it and/or replacing it with a different input manager (e.g. scim) and see what happens
[17:33] <wxl> i've had problems like that with ibus before
[17:33] <wxl> and they're super inconsistent
[17:33] <Captonjamason> well
[17:33] <Captonjamason> sometimes when i reboot its fine
[17:34] <Captonjamason> but other times it does this "bug"
[17:35] <Captonjamason> its insane
[17:35] <wxl> i still bet it's ibus
[17:35] <Captonjamason> i probably is
[17:36] <Captonjamason> *it
[17:36] <wxl> here's some potentially related bugs:
[17:36] <wxl> bug 1421483
[17:36] <Captonjamason> wait
[17:36] <wxl> bug 1415678
[17:36] <Captonjamason> my keyboard input doesnt fail
[17:36] <wxl> bug 1412544
[17:36] <Captonjamason> it still types fine
[17:36] <wxl> i get that :)
[17:37] <Captonjamason> it still types fine
[17:37] <wxl> where the heck are my ISOs, cyphermox ? :(
[17:37] <Captonjamason> the letters just pop of the screen
[17:37] <cyphermox> just a moment
[17:37] <Captonjamason> and then sometimes come back
[17:38] <cyphermox> wxl: well, no logs for it yet
[17:38] <wxl> cyphermox: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/vivid/lubuntu ?
[17:38] <wxl> 40-some-odd-minutes ago
[17:39] <wxl> unless it's waiting on that ppc build
[17:39] <Captonjamason> vived coming out soon?
[17:39] <Captonjamason> *vivid
[17:39] <wxl> Captonjamason: yeah next week!
[17:39] <cyphermox> ah, you built lubuntu?
[17:39] <Captonjamason> hack yeah
[17:39] <wxl> cyphermox: well crontab did XD
[17:39] <Captonjamason> can wait to upgarde
[17:39] <Captonjamason> *grade
[17:39] <wxl> heheh
[17:39] <cyphermox> wxl: 30 minutes ago?
[17:40] <cyphermox> well, 1 hour ago really
[17:40] <wxl> cyphermox: they finished building 50 minutes ago!
[17:40] <Captonjamason> its impossible for me to type when the letters go away :\
[17:40] <wxl> (except for ppc)
[17:40] <wxl> Captonjamason: did you try killing ibus or setting keyboard input method to none?
[17:40] <Captonjamason> tried
[17:40] <Captonjamason> still didnt do anything
[17:41] <cyphermox> wxl: well, ppc looks wedged, if I'm to believe previous build times
[17:41] <wxl> Captonjamason: a screenshot will helped
[17:41] <Captonjamason> on it
[17:41] <cyphermox> wxl: lets move this to #-release
[17:41] <wxl> cyphermox: ko
[17:49] <Captonjamason> this is a test to show that letter dissaper on my screen
[17:49] <Captonjamason> http://i.imgur.com/JZVoGbw.png
[17:49] <Captonjamason> thats what it looks like on my screen
[17:49] <Captonjamason> i cant even type
[17:49] <wxl> Captonjamason: running low on memory perhaps?
[17:49] <Captonjamason> 4 gb
[17:49] <Captonjamason> 3 gb free
[17:50] <wxl> baffling
[17:50] <Captonjamason> i dont think im running low
[17:50] <Captonjamason> its insane
[17:52] <wxl> Captonjamason: i don't offhand know the solution to your problem :( have you asked in #ubuntu?
[17:52] <Captonjamason> nah
[17:52] <wxl> Captonjamason: i'd start there
[17:52] <Captonjamason> this is my first time joining one of the ubuntu chats
[17:52] <Captonjamason> i figured coming here
[17:52] <wxl> thgat's the official support channel
[17:52] <Captonjamason> ill give it a try
[17:53] <Captonjamason> but its just insane
[17:54] <wxl> Captonjamason: you can also try running ubuntu-bug and it will try to help you find potential packages to file against. you probably could file against ubuntu-meta.
[17:54] <Captonjamason> ok
[17:55] <Captonjamason> and
[17:55] <Captonjamason> what would it take for me to join the QAteam
[17:56] <wxl> should be right at the top of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam Captonjamason
[17:56] <wxl> basically: join the mailing list, hang out here, join the launchpad group, and get to doing what you want to do
[17:56] <wxl> if you have questions, pop in here or send something to the list
[17:56] <Captonjamason> ok
[17:57] <Captonjamason> i have yet to join mailing list
[17:57] <wxl> what in particular are you interested in helping with?
[17:57] <Captonjamason> either tester or dev
[17:58] <Captonjamason> i havent had much time to tinker with barebones linux
[17:58] <wxl> yeah well that's not necessary
[17:58] <Captonjamason> so i might not be the best for dev
[17:58] <Captonjamason> really
[17:58] <wxl> no, unless you want to do kernel development
[17:58] <Captonjamason> uhhhh
[17:58] <Captonjamason> no
[17:58] <wxl> some of the dev work needed doesn't even necessarily require code
[17:58] <Captonjamason> alright
[17:59] <Captonjamason> im in
[17:59] <wxl> like the other day we made a change to one of our seeds so the images would get all their packages pulled in
[17:59] <wxl> what i would suggest is this:
[17:59] <wxl> 1. do some formal testing
[17:59] <wxl> 2. report some bugs while testing
[17:59] <wxl> 3. try to figure out how to validate and fix those bugs
[17:59] <wxl> 4. fix them
[18:00] <wxl> alternately you could search for bugs in packages you're really familiar with
[18:00] <Captonjamason> ok
[18:00] <wxl> you'll need to ask lots of questions along the way
[18:00] <wxl> don't hesitate to ask
[18:00] <Captonjamason> i knew that i would need to ask alot of questions
[18:00] <Captonjamason> i do have 1 question
[18:02] <Captonjamason> to run dev builds and normal builds would i be able to run in virtualbox or do i need to dual boot or have to use  a new computer all together?
[18:02] <wxl> Captonjamason: there are times where bare metal testing is useful, but most testing is done in vm
[18:02] <Captonjamason> figured as much
[18:03] <Captonjamason> i have a old computer i can use for  bare metal testing
[18:07] <Captonjamason> hey
[18:08] <wxl> Captonjamason: yes?
[18:08] <Captonjamason> question
[18:09] <wxl> !ask | Captonjamason ☺
[18:09] <Captonjamason> sorry
[18:09] <wxl> np
[18:09] <Captonjamason> bet it happens alot on here
[18:10] <wxl> more so on the support channels but no prob
[18:11] <Captonjamason> anyways for setting up the vm, do i need to set the os type to ubuntu 32bit (i decided to use 32 for testing) or to other 32bit linux
[18:12] <wxl> really doesn't matter too much but the ubuntu would suffice
[18:12] <Captonjamason> figured as much
[18:12] <wxl> btw if you have 64 bit hardware you should be able to test either image
[18:12] <Captonjamason> i know
[18:12] <Captonjamason> i have 64 bit ubuntu on 64 hardware
[18:13] <Captonjamason> im gonna do both 32 and 64 for testing
[18:13] <Captonjamason> just wanted to start with 32
[18:13] <wxl> lunch calls, ta
[18:14] <Captonjamason> now lunch sounds good
[18:16] <Captonjamason> well im off to test
[18:24] <Captonjamason> wow
[18:24] <Captonjamason> vivid isnt too bad
[18:24] <Captonjamason> well in ways of buggyness
[18:51] <balloons> elopio, what's up with https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/webapps-core/x-test/+merge/249580?
[18:53] <Captonjamason> hmm
[18:54] <balloons> Captonjamason, glad you think so..
[18:54]  * balloons wonders how long till Captonjamason manages to break something
[18:54] <Captonjamason> im deeply offended
[18:54] <Captonjamason> i just took a look at it
[18:55] <Captonjamason> that was it
[18:55] <Captonjamason> im working on trying to fix a bug
[18:57] <balloons> Captonjamason, I meant "break" in a good way, my apologies.
[18:58] <Captonjamason> lol
[18:59] <Captonjamason> anything i need to work on except bug tracking
[18:59] <cyphermox> elfy: so the wallpaper issue will be fixed in the next image
[19:00] <Captonjamason> well i guess i found a bug on vivid build'
[19:01] <Captonjamason> was live cd working yet?
[19:02] <Captonjamason> hello?
[19:04] <elopio> balloons: that's in the web team's hands now. I don't understand why it has not merged.
[19:04] <balloons> elopio, ack, I'll ask alex
[19:06] <elopio> balloons: thanks.
[19:06] <elopio> Saviq: I'll add it to the TODO.
[19:06] <Saviq> elopio, thanks!
[19:06] <Captonjamason> umm balloons, was live cd working in the newest vived update
[19:07] <Captonjamason> *vivid
[19:09] <Captonjamason> balloons: was live cd working in the newest vivid update
[19:11] <Captonjamason> or is that a question for someone else
[19:12] <balloons> Captonjamason, I don't have today's image so I'm not sure
[19:12] <balloons> I've not synced yet
[19:12] <Captonjamason> alright
[19:13] <Captonjamason> when i clicked live cd it took me to a login page???
[19:14] <Captonjamason> what would i login with
[19:15] <Captonjamason> well lunch calls
[19:17] <balloons> Captonjamason, that means the desktop is failing for some reason
[19:17] <balloons> if you try and login my guess is it will attempt to spawn a new session, fail, and return you to the login screen
[19:20] <Captonjamason> hmmmm
[19:20] <Captonjamason> thats what it did
[19:20] <wxl> did you check the md5 Captonjamason ?
[19:20] <Captonjamason> yea
[19:21] <wxl> then perhaps the issue that elfy brought to my attention is affecting more than xubuntu (and maybe lubuntu)
[19:21] <Captonjamason> well thats nice
[19:23] <Captonjamason> what was the issue
[19:26] <wxl> a little error in an uplaod, Captonjamason
[19:26] <wxl> one little out of place '\'
[19:26] <wxl> always the stupid stuff :)
[19:26] <wxl> fix is uploaded, just waiting on everything to sync up
[19:28] <Captonjamason> cool
[19:28] <wxl> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/user-setup/ubuntu/revision/287 fwiw
[19:29] <wxl> give it a bit and then we'll need to rebuild everything
[19:29] <wxl> balloons: you may want to be kept aware of the above ↑
[19:30] <Captonjamason> question
[19:31] <Captonjamason> i need to get bazaar?
[19:31] <wxl> if you're going to do development, you'll certainly want bazaar
[19:31] <Captonjamason> can i get a link for bazaar
[19:31] <Captonjamason> i dont have it
[19:31] <wxl> even if you don't, it's good sometimes when bug hunting because then you can grab the code and recusively grep it for some important string
[19:31] <balloons> wxl, ahh yes, that would be it
[19:32] <wxl> elfy: fyi that bug affects everyone; see above
[19:32] <Captonjamason> crap
[19:33] <Captonjamason> i have a assighnment
[19:33] <Captonjamason> i cant type
[19:33] <wxl> this should help with bazaar Captonjamason https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bzr?action=show&redirect=Bazaar
[19:34] <Captonjamason> thanks
[19:34] <wxl> np
[19:34] <Captonjamason> i will work on that in a bit
[19:34] <Captonjamason> i need to finish this
[19:37] <Captonjamason> dangit
[19:38] <Captonjamason> wxl, terminal wont let me install bzr, it says theres another program using admin accses, i have no other programs running except for spotify and firefox
[19:38] <Captonjamason> i cant type
[19:39] <wxl> Captonjamason: you sure synaptic or anything isn't running?
[19:39] <Captonjamason> pretty sure
[19:39] <Captonjamason> lemme try it again
[19:39] <Captonjamason> this is what it ga ve me
[19:39] <Captonjamason> jamason@JAMASON-X551MA:~$ sudo apt-get install bzr [sudo] password for jamason:  E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[19:40] <wxl> if you're SURE that no other package manager of any kind is running, then you can just rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock and carry on
[19:40] <Captonjamason> ok
[19:41] <Captonjamason> and yes i dont have any other package managers running
[19:41] <Captonjamason> i dont use synaptic
[19:41] <wxl> well if you had a separate dpkg process running
[19:41] <wxl> or aptitude
[19:42] <Captonjamason> nope
[19:42] <wxl> or any other apt-get process
[19:42] <wxl> etc
[19:42] <wxl> if not, the lock gets stuck sometimes
[19:42] <Captonjamason> ok
[19:42] <Captonjamason> i used that command and got it working
[19:43] <wxl> Captonjamason: you could also `sudo lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock` if you want to see what command is complaining about it
[19:44] <Captonjamason> well
[19:44] <Captonjamason> its kinda too late
[19:44] <Captonjamason> gimme a sec
[19:44] <Captonjamason> reboot
[19:44] <wxl> yep
[19:44] <wxl> just saying in the future
[19:45] <Captonjamason> ok
[19:52] <Captonjamason> back
[19:52] <Captonjamason> and i dont have the letter glitch wxl
[19:54] <Captonjamason> and im on utopic now
[19:56] <Captonjamason> could i get that link for bzr back wxl
[19:57] <wxl> this should help with bazaar Captonjamason https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bzr?action=show&redirect=Bazaar
[19:57] <Captonjamason> thanks
[20:01] <Captonjamason> hey wxl, when i run ssh-keygen -t rsa -C "Your Name <your-email-address@wherever.com>" as a command it says " To many varibles"
[20:01] <Captonjamason> i changed the name and email to mine
[20:03] <wxl> Captonjamason: you can just do `ssh-keygen -t rsa` and it will ask you for a commend if you like
[20:03] <Captonjamason> thanks
[20:03] <Captonjamason> is that page outdated maby
[20:04] <Captonjamason> it didnt ask me
[20:05] <wxl> Captonjamason: it doesn't matter too much
[20:05] <Captonjamason> ok
[20:10] <Captonjamason> done
[20:10] <Captonjamason> what do i do now
[20:14] <Captonjamason> do i need to do something after putting in my ssh key?
[20:15] <Captonjamason> hello?
[20:15] <elfy> what?
[20:16] <Captonjamason> wxl was helping me out with setting up bazzar
[20:16] <wxl> sorry Captonjamason too many things going on
[20:16] <Captonjamason> np
[20:17] <wxl> did you upload your key to launchpad?
[20:17] <Captonjamason> i compleatly understand
[20:17] <Captonjamason> yes
[20:17] <wxl> then try grabbing something
[20:17] <Captonjamason> how?
[20:18] <wxl> here's an example: bzr branch lp:lubuntu-default-settings
[20:19] <Captonjamason> ok
[20:21] <Captonjamason> done
[20:21] <Captonjamason> did that do something
[20:21] <Captonjamason> im more familiar with svn then git or bazaar
[20:22] <wxl> cd to lubuntu-default-settings
[20:22] <wxl> they're very similar
[20:22] <Captonjamason> ok
[20:22] <Captonjamason> woah
[20:22] <Captonjamason> thats pretty cool for one command
[20:24] <Captonjamason> one thing though, when i ran that it said i had to give my launchpad id or something like that
[20:25] <wxl> oh yeah
[20:25] <wxl> hm maybe that site is not the best
[20:25] <wxl> try doing bzr launchpad-login
[20:25] <Captonjamason> k
[20:26] <Captonjamason> No Launchpad user ID configured...
[20:26] <Captonjamason> why terminal
[20:26] <wxl> why not? :)
[20:27] <Captonjamason> it no work
[20:28] <wxl> try `bzr launchpad-login id` where id is your launchpad id
[20:29] <Captonjamason> where can i find my launchpad id
[20:29] <wxl> on your launchpad page
[20:29] <wxl> where you uploaded your ssh key
[20:29] <Captonjamason> thanks
[20:29] <Captonjamason> i know i probably seem like a noob
[20:30] <Captonjamason> sorry about that
[20:31] <Captonjamason> hey wxl
[20:31] <Captonjamason> bzr: ERROR: The user name https://launchpad.net/~minecraftdude2471 is not registered on Launchpad.
[20:31] <Captonjamason> thats what it gave me
[20:32] <wxl> get rid of the rest of the url and use only your id Captonjamason
[20:32] <Captonjamason> k
[20:32] <Captonjamason> it worked
[20:33] <Captonjamason> so how can i get the daily builds
[20:33] <wxl> you mean the isos or what?
[20:34] <Captonjamason> isos
[20:34] <wxl> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[20:34] <Captonjamason> thanks
[20:38] <Captonjamason> what is Mythbuntu
[20:39] <wxl> !mythbuntu | Captonjamason
[20:39] <Captonjamason> thats kinda cool
[20:39] <Captonjamason> !ubuntustudio
[20:43] <wxl> !lubuntu | captonjamason: i spend most of my time working with
[20:43] <elfy> Captonjamason: any real reason for pinging the bo?
[20:43] <elfy> t even
[20:43] <wxl> elfy: i think he just learned there are bot commands so was making use out of them
[20:43] <knome> !bot > Captonjamason
[20:44] <wxl> Captonjamason: you can /msg ubot5 !whatever
[20:44] <elfy> or stop trolling
[20:44] <knome> these might have been a bit hidden until a while, but they are recently updated:
[20:44] <knome> Captonjamason, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/DevelopmentSetup
[20:44] <elfy> or stop trolling
[20:45] <knome> and others are: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/DevelopmentToolsSetup and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/DevelopmentToolsUsage
[20:45] <knome> they are now linked to from the QATeam front page.
[20:45] <wxl> thx knome
[20:45] <knome> which reminds me i should work on the QATeam wiki more
[20:45] <knome> balloons, ping
[20:45] <elfy> biding time
[20:45] <Captonjamason> why is the chat going all crazy now
[20:46] <balloons> knome, pong
[20:46] <elfy> hey balloons
[20:46] <knome> balloons, want to have a wiki sprint?
[20:47] <balloons> hey elfy knome :-)
[20:47] <elfy> Captonjamason: troll alerts - imagine
[20:47] <balloons> a wiki sprint.. interesting..
[20:47] <knome> Captonjamason, it's just the crazy xubuntu folks stepping in
[20:47] <balloons> what sort of format would it take? live editing or ?
[20:47] <wxl> elfy: behave. he's new here and trying to figure his way around.
[20:47] <knome> balloons, whatever we did before
[20:48] <knome> balloons, i mean not a scheduled, i mean *right now* :)
[20:48] <elfy> wxl: right
[20:49] <elfy> Captonjamason: if you are, then all power to you, but please do not Enter as punctuation - we can all try at that ;)
[20:49] <balloons> knome, ahh, I see :-)
[20:52] <balloons> knome, no time like the present..
[20:52] <knome> yep!
[20:52] <knome> so... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/FAQ
[20:53] <knome> and did you do work with the tracker pages?
[20:54] <knome> i think you did
[20:55]  * knome claps
[20:58]  * balloons looks puzzled
[20:59] <balloons> yes the tracker pages.. and the walkthroughs. I've looked at them and done some editing, but I can't commit to updating the videos
[21:00] <knome> heh
[21:19] <ianorlin> hmm I still have to hard power off desktop images on my laptop
[21:20] <wxl> is that solely a lubuntu thing ianorlin ?
[21:20] <ianorlin> haven't tried yet might try unity
[21:20] <wxl> is it the installer or the installed system?
[21:20] <ianorlin> installer post install
[21:20] <ianorlin> it worked on my mom laptop live session yesterday
[21:20] <ianorlin> this might be hardware specific
[21:21] <wxl> so these are all bare metal tests?
[21:22] <ianorlin> yes
[21:22] <wxl> have you tried virtual at all?
[21:22] <wxl> elfy: looks like your rebuilts got the new users-admin but the old ubiquity. i trust they don't work?
[21:45] <ianorlin> wxl on kvm with qxl graphics it stops after I click to the restart now buttons and doesn't get past that which is different
[21:46] <wxl> with which image ianorlin ?
[21:46] <ianorlin> desktop amd64
[21:46] <wxl> so ubuntu
[21:47] <ianorlin> altenrates seemed to never have this problem
[21:47] <wxl> er lubuntu i mean
[21:52] <ianorlin> yep I haven't tried live session on bare metal for today's image
[21:54] <wxl> today's image is borked
[21:54] <wxl> waiting for the new ubiquity to get uplaoaded so i can schedule a rebuild
[21:56] <wxl> we need 2.21.22 ianorlin
[21:56] <ianorlin> wxl yet I actually got it to shut down from live session but pressing the enter on my numpad
[21:56] <wxl> weird'
[21:57] <ianorlin> I may end up trying manual install and seeing if I can shutdown with that enter there
[22:05] <ianorlin> wxl ah it is working if I press power button from broken  live session it works not after install
[22:05] <ianorlin> should this be a new bug?
[22:07] <wxl> wasn't there a bug filed against something similar?
[22:13] <ianorlin> yeah but they all seem fix released
[22:14] <wxl> even the one that was reported yesterday on the tracker?
[22:15] <wxl> i think i'
[22:15] <wxl> m going to try the rebuild
[22:18] <ianorlin> um it even happens on the ones that I have the casper for fix released
[22:20] <wxl> gimme a sec and i'll check it out ianorlin
[22:23] <wxl> argh i can't find the darn thing
[22:23] <wxl> sometimes i really hate the iso tracker
[22:25] <elfy> mmmm
[22:26] <elfy> xubuntu core is rebuilding for some reason DalekSec
[22:26] <DalekSec> Hrm.  Release Candidate therefore everything gets 'rebuilt'?  It more or less should be the same as with upgrades.
[22:30] <wxl> yeah looks like we need a new bug ianorlin
[22:31] <wxl> bug 1436715 and bug 966480 are the two i know of and supposedly casper fixed them both
[22:42] <ianorlin> wxl I have something that makes no sense if you mount the alternate installer image navigate to /boot/grub/efiX86_64 and it show grub files as music files
[22:42] <ianorlin> that is very confusing
[22:42] <wxl> whoa?! :)
[22:42] <wxl> just cat them out to /dev/dsp and see what happens hehe
[22:48] <Captonjamason> hey
[22:48] <Captonjamason> hello
[22:50] <ianorlin> hmm what to file the bug agianst?
[22:51] <wxl> i'd probably call it ubiquity
[22:51] <ianorlin> wxl but I do I report this as it is after I can get to a shell
[22:51] <ianorlin> apport-collcet?
[22:52] <wxl> ubuntu-bug it if you can
[22:53] <Captonjamason> what about ubiquity
[22:53] <ianorlin> at the restart now prompt?
[22:54] <Captonjamason> oh a bug with ubiquity
[22:54] <wxl> hm you can't get a vt on it?
[22:59] <ianorlin> not once I hit restart now
[22:59] <ianorlin> argh and the showing as music also happens after installing nautilus
[23:00] <wxl> shoot
[23:00] <wxl> looks like they're already building finals
[23:00] <Captonjamason> is that bad wxl
[23:00] <wxl> new daily rebuilds are almost up, but that may slow things down a bit
[23:00] <ianorlin> the file command shows the images as executable
[23:00] <wxl> Captonjamason: not exactly. home stretch for vivid, but i want to get rid of this last bug before we go final.
[23:01] <ianorlin> wxl I may also want to test on this desktop to see if it is hardware dependent
[23:01] <ianorlin> but it did in vm as well
[23:04] <wxl> ianorlin: ok new rebuilds are up
[23:04] <wxl> need to do a really quick smoke test
[23:23] <elfy> cyphermox: ok, proper backdrop, reboots - still hangs on reboot in vbox
[23:25] <ianorlin> I am trying on bare metal and on ssd on my laptop
[23:27] <ianorlin> elfy do you have a bug for that?
[23:28] <elfy> same as previous
[23:28] <elfy> kvm works
[23:28] <elfy> just sorting a stick for a hardware boot
[23:29] <ianorlin> I have one in progress
[23:29] <elfy> yep
[23:37] <ianorlin> argh can't switch to a tty on this image
[23:38] <Captonjamason> im back
[23:43] <Captonjamason> hey wxl, pulseaudio is acting up
[23:43] <wxl> i am certainly no big fan of pulse, but what's the issue, Captonjamason ?
[23:44] <Captonjamason> 1 sec
[23:45] <Captonjamason> i fixed it by doing nothing
[23:45] <Captonjamason> it said dummy output instead of my speakers
[23:45] <ianorlin> oh wow root is only users on this system
[23:46] <Captonjamason> ?
[23:46] <ianorlin> I couldn't even use my normal way of right clicking then launching lxterminal from the installer but I could launch firefox download a directory and then launch pcmanfm
[23:46] <ianorlin> then I could launch only xterm
[23:46] <Captonjamason> weird
[23:48] <Captonjamason> i havent used xterm or uxterm at all, whats the diffrence between those 2 and terminal
[23:50] <Captonjamason> and wxl, i dont like alsa a single bit, jack wont work, and i dont like pulse but i have to use it.
[23:50] <wxl> jack works fine for me, but it's not a good solution for desktop users
[23:50] <wxl> also if you use pulse you use alsa
[23:51] <wxl> and that's one of the bigger gripes i have about pulse: it's just extra fluff with little value
[23:51] <Captonjamason> same with me
[23:51] <wxl> alsa works fine
[23:52] <Captonjamason> i meant by alsa without like pulseaudio volume control
[23:52] <Captonjamason> barebones alsa
[23:53] <wxl> yep, alsamixer works good
[23:53] <Captonjamason> its ok
[23:53] <Captonjamason> when i wore my awsome headphones when using "BareBoneALSA" i had static
[23:54] <wxl> probably had mic on or something of the sort
[23:54] <Captonjamason> nah
[23:54] <Captonjamason> those dont have mics
[23:54] <Captonjamason> *mic
[23:55] <Captonjamason> and worst part was i was working in ardour
[23:55] <Captonjamason> so i needed to have almost perfect audio
[23:56] <Captonjamason> so barebonesalsa didnt work all that great for me