=== monkwitdaunk is now known as monkwitdafunk === ashleyd is now known as ashd === markthomas|away is now known as markthomas === markthomas is now known as markthomas|away [01:33] hi, i'm working on a kickstart script for ubuntu-server-mini 14.04, anyone have much experience with kickstart? [01:34] <_1_jb> m/f === jvwjgames_ is now known as jvwjgames === zz_DenBeiren is now known as DenBeiren === frickler_ is now known as frickler === neurotus_ is now known as neurotus === neurotus is now known as Guest85250 === Guest85250 is now known as neurotu [06:29] i have a bash script called `bash_loader`. I'd like this script to run at each ubuntu (14.04) bootup. Do i simply create `/etc/init/my.conf` (does it have to be a conf file?), with https://bpaste.net/show/73983b56fe34? [06:31] I have nokia E5 and using intenet on laptop via USB cable. I want to share internet to ubuntu server from Nokia E5 via USB cable, what do i do? what to install first? [06:37] Good morning. [06:37] lordievader, thanks for icebreaking [06:38] linocisco: ? [06:39] lordievader, yes [06:40] Icebreaking? I'm just saying goodmorning ;) [06:41] lordievader, this server channel is still silent [06:41] It's early. Stick around, be patient. [06:43] lordievader, i m not from GMT-. I am from GMT+. so if this channel is only for western countries users, sorry [06:44] lordievader, i have silent patience [06:45] It isn't, but it is usually quiet in the morning ;) [06:46] please love me or I'be gone! [06:47] Going away doesn't help.... === lazyPower_ is now known as lazyPower === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === beisner- is now known as beisner [10:18] hello im running ubuntu server, my package system is broken and the help of other people broke my kernel i think. i was upgrading from ubuntu server 14.04 to 14.10. also grub is broken, now i start from livecd and mount the systeem and chroot to it. can this still be repaired? (#ubuntu told me to ask more info here), i would prefer to fix it somehow instead of full reinstall === mist__ is now known as mist [10:25] mv: Do you still have broken packages? [10:26] im not sure, apt-get -f reports error, install gives error that it needs other packages [10:27] mv: Could you pastebin that output? [10:28] il try, which one do you want? from -f install? [10:28] To start with, yes. [10:31] pastebin.com/1cx7iUR2 [10:32] update-initramfs: not found.... Wut? [10:32] Did you remove initramfs-tools? [10:33] some people tried to help me, and they did remove it. [10:33] Why? [10:33] because it came up in the list of errors from apt-get [10:33] they removed a couple of packages [10:38] lordievader would you want to look at the system yourself? i installed ssh-server on the livecd to acces it. [10:38] mv: We talked about this yesterday. [10:40] jpds_ yes, but after trying all night i was able to get into the system again using the livecd [10:42] i tried to use boot-repair to fix grub, but it comes up with the same error that apt-get -f install isnt working succesfully [10:50] q: getting this error uvt-kvm: error: timed out waiting for dnsmasq lease for. after command `uvt-kvm wait --insecure` [10:50] virbr0 networking interface has IP address [10:50] no ip address only on vnet0 [10:55] mv: No, remoting in is not something I do. [10:55] mv: Install initramfs-tools then reinstall the kernel. [10:56] lordievader thanks, im now trying to instal initramfs-tools, downloading from ubuntu archive and then dkpg -i initramfs-tools*.deb [10:58] installing initramfs-tools gives dependecy problems, http://pastebin.com/xmmYGtDV [10:59] RusAlex: has the VM itself got an IP address? [10:59] RusAlex: you can use --log-console-output when creating the VM and then examine /var/log/libvirt/qemu/ (IIRC) [10:59] !info initramfs-tools utopic [10:59] initramfs-tools (source: initramfs-tools): tools for generating an initramfs. In component main, is required. Version 0.103ubuntu8 (utopic), package size 43 kB, installed size 365 kB [11:00] RusAlex: or look in /var/lib/libvirt/dnsmasq/ and try to match up against the VM's MAC address (virsh dumpxml ) [11:00] !info initramfs-tools trusty [11:00] initramfs-tools (source: initramfs-tools): tools for generating an initramfs. In component main, is required. Version 0.103ubuntu4.2 (trusty), package size 43 kB, installed size 365 kB [11:00] mv: From where did you get the package? [11:01] http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise-updates/all/initramfs-tools/download [11:02] uhm after changing the url im thinking i should use this one? http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty-updates/all/initramfs-tools/download [11:02] Precise? [11:03] No wonder you get dependency issues. [11:03] mv: What does /etc/issue say? [11:03] rbasak: there is cloud-init-nonet[16.90]: waiting 120 seconds for network devic [11:03] and then gave up waiting for a network device [11:04] it says Ubuntu 14.10 [11:04] trudy initramfs-tools also gives error http://pastebin.com/H71UR8xR [11:05] Booting system without full network configuration... [11:05] mv: Then get the utopic one. [11:05] mv: And try to use apt. [11:06] lordievader: both gave dependencie problems http://pastebin.com/sdeRSCuX [11:07] mv: Hence the notion to use apt. [11:08] apt-get install initramfs-tools right? i used that one and put the log in the same text here http://pastebin.com/sdeRSCuX [11:09] RusAlex: sounds like DHCP isn't working on your virbr0. [11:09] yes [11:10] Are you running Vivid? [11:10] reading libvirtd help [11:10] mv: What is the output of "apt-cache policy initramfs-tools initramfs-tools-bin"? [11:11] rbasak: i have 14.02 ? [11:11] http://pastebin.com/SKXwDxLi [11:11] mv: apt-get install initramfs-tools-bin [11:12] !info util-linux utopic [11:12] util-linux (source: util-linux): Miscellaneous system utilities. In component main, is required. Version 2.25.1-3ubuntu4.1 (utopic), package size 820 kB, installed size 2954 kB [11:14] http://pastebin.com/mzUgfPJA [11:15] mv: Do as it says. [11:17] rbasak: thanks . finally enabled [11:17] sorted [11:17] apt-get -f install http://pastebin.com/4pdi23s8 [11:18] mv: Select those pacakges it want to remove for install. [11:18] Then try again. [11:19] like this "apt-get remove linux-image-3.16.0-031600-lowlatency linux-image-extra-3.13.0-49-generic"? [11:19] No, select them for install. [11:19] okY [11:20] http://pastebin.com/B13CczsU [11:21] Well that is a pickle. [11:22] Perhaps 'apt-get install -f initramfs-tools-bin' works? [11:23] http://pastebin.com/RQhhd67v [11:23] i trusted to wrong people on facebook to help me, they made it allot worse, before them grub and initramfs was still working. [11:24] apt-get install util-linux [11:24] apt-get install util-linux udev [11:24] apt-get install util-linux udev initramfs-tools-bin [11:25] http://pastebin.com/TwTnztjD [11:26] * ogra_ wonders how you actually got into that situation ... [11:26] mv: Dependency hell :P [11:26] You could manually go through everything... [11:26] do-release-upgrade should efinitely have cared for this properly [11:27] i tried upgrading from 14.04 to 14.10 (in the past running older version, i thought 12) [11:27] Or find someway of removing those kernels/preventing apt-get install -f to remove them before fixing things. [11:27] ogra_: I think it is rather what he did trying to fix things that got him in this mess. [11:28] im afraid lordievader is right [11:28] lordievader, point is that there shouldnt be anything to fix :) [11:28] mv: Do you have a backlog of what you did exactly? [11:28] do-release-upgrade gets tested in 100 variations and corner cases nowadays ... and should cover you from such mess [11:29] (unless you pull the power plug in the middle of an upgrae or some such ... ) [11:29] * lordievader whispers ppa's [11:29] here you can see a backlog, and the people who tried to help me. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=828768073837036&set=gm.1062529163761527&type=1&theater [11:29] lordievader, it disables them all :) [11:30] Was more talking about the dependency hell thing than the upgrade. [11:31] You installed a kernel outside of the Ubuntu repo? [11:31] * lordievader sigh [11:31] they send me 3 links to kernel files to install [11:32] So much for FB support.... [11:32] mv: Use dpkg to purge those kernels. [11:32] lol [11:32] i will never ever ask on an FB group for help anymore [11:33] mv: The trouble is they didn't ask questions on what the problem was. They assumed you were running Debian and started shouting things... [11:33] lordievader: dpkg --purge "linux-image.."? [11:33] * ogra_ would actually start with: sudo apt-get -f install ... [11:34] to get back to a half way consistent state [11:34] and then move forward from there [11:34] ogra_: That is broken because it tries to remove the kernels but it need initramfs-tools for it, which is broken too. [11:35] mv: Not all of them, just those installed outside of the Ubuntu repos. [11:35] lordievader, it doesnt remove everything cleanly ? === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [11:35] ogra_: The postrm script fails on calling initramfs (since its broken) and then apt gives up. [11:36] so create a link to from /usr/sbin/update-initramfs to /bin/true [11:36] to overcome that ... [11:37] one you are back in a semi consistent state, make sure the sources.list is proper, then install "linux" ... that should pull in all kernel related bits [11:37] (might need some manual grub love later though) [11:37] i tried purging the kernel, http://pastebin.com/FcERJga3 [11:38] (and make sure to *never reboot until you are sure it is all fixed) [11:38] mv: Follow ogra_'s advice. [11:38] ogra_: He is in a live-cd chrooted ;) [11:38] yeah they made me remove grub, and an other friend made me reboot to livecd [11:39] mv: You know, even now, you should use common sense. [11:39] Is a good idea to remove grub? Hmm, perhaps not... [11:39] lordievader your so right, i made the mistake to trust them blindly [11:40] they sayt like yeah remove grub and etc. and after apt-get -f inistall reinstall grub [11:40] Sure it is possible, but why? [11:41] Without a good reason I wouldn't do it. [11:42] q: im trying to restore my custom iptables rules [11:42] tried 2 ways already [11:42] RusAlex: iptables-restore < iptables-file? [11:43] yes. but tried to run this command in /etc/network/if-up.d/iptablesload as per Network Howto [11:43] Meh, you could put it in there. I don't like things dissapearing based on interfaces. [11:44] Personal preference I guess. [11:45] but where do you place it? [11:45] I also tried to use /etc/network/interfaces file with pre-up iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.rules [11:45] but no success. after reboot it does not restore [11:47] * ogra_ always uses ufw ... [11:48] * lordievader dislikes ufw [11:48] :P [11:48] "dpkg --purge linux-image-extra-3.13.0-49-generic" is failing "FATAL: could not load /boot/System.map-3.13-0/49-Generic: no such file" [11:49] Copy some other system map? (Ugly hacks save the day????) [11:49] oh, also. my friend yesterday made me copy /boot from ubuntu 14.04 server cd to my system, so now i get the cd grub when booting without livecd [11:51] Before you copied stuff did you happen to remove the contents of /boot? [11:51] i didnt remove. i just used cp -R /cdrom/boot /mnt. i mounted my system on there [11:52] contents of /boot now are "grub memtest86+.bin memtest86+.elf memtest86+_multiboot.bin" [11:53] Just that? [11:53] yes [11:54] Did you nuke /boot or did you forget to mount it? [11:54] uhm, im not sure [11:55] mv: Go figure it out ;) [11:56] boot isnt in the mount list. so that would mean its not mounted [11:57] If it is a seperate partition, yes. [11:57] im not sure if it is a seperate partition. i used the default settings from the ubuntu cd when installing it in the past [11:57] mv: parted -l [11:58] parted isnt installed :c [11:58] fdisk -l [11:59] fdisk is from util-linux, which they also nuked... [12:00] Pfff. [12:00] Use the one of the live-cd. [12:01] should i do it outside of chroot? or on the desktop from the livecd? === ujjain- is now known as ujjain [12:01] Outside of the chroot, yes. [12:03] outside of chroot both commands return nothing [12:03] * lordievader is back in a bit [12:03] ok [12:03] Use sudo ;) [12:04] ahh thanks, im feeling stupid for that mistake >_< [12:05] http://pastebin.com/X5zpKsKF the 30GB is my SSD running the system, /dev/sdi [12:19] hwo can I get root access to a kvm machine ? [12:20] it allows me to login only with ubuntu@host [12:21] use sudo ... thats ubuntu ... [12:22] will try [12:35] lordievader: tell me when your back? [12:36] CRITICALUbuntu 10.04 LTS / 12.04 LTS / 14.04 / 14.10 : libtasn1-3, libtasn1-6 vulnerability (USN-2559-1) [12:36] still got that after apt-get update [12:37] arcsky: Tried upgrade ? [12:40] do I have to do reboot after upgrade? [12:40] maybe thats why it doesnt work [12:40] arcsky: No, it's more the fact that update doesn't update the package. [12:54] mv: Does the live-cd come with parted? Else install it... [12:54] fdisk doesn't do gpt. [12:56] parted -l says http://pastebin.com/2j9EZSsu === rbasak_ is now known as rbasak [12:58] lordievader: should i use ok? [12:59] Auch. [12:59] No cancel that. [13:00] mv: Make it 'sudo parted /dev/sdc print' [13:00] "error: end of file while reading succes, retry/ignore/cancel?" [13:00] ok [13:01] "error end of file while reading invalid argument" [13:01] retry/ignore/cancel? [13:03] This if from the live-cd right? [13:03] yup [13:03] gdisk? [13:03] should i use gdisk? [13:04] You can give it a shot. Installing it doesn't really matter as it is a live-cd anyways. [13:04] hmm, anyway i think you would wanted to see this? http://pastebin.com/XSgw7E3V [13:05] Hmm, yeah. Did I get sidetracked? [13:05] dev-sdc is one of the drives from my RAID [13:06] dev-sdi is my system [13:06] Right, no seperate /boot. [13:06] Is the /boot on sdi1 really that empty? [13:07] http://pastebin.com/aaLY7qL0 [13:07] That is the chroot? [13:08] Could you give the 'mount' output? [13:08] yes its the chroot [13:08] ok [13:08] http://pastebin.com/ZEuRuYGu [13:10] /boot doesn't happen to be on the raid device? [13:10] i dont think so. when i installed it it didnt have raid yet [13:11] So you nuked /boot :P [13:11] yup :c [13:11] mv: Time to get drastic. Under normal circumstances you shouldn't do this: force dpkg to do all it needs to remove those two kernel packages. [13:12] "dpkg --fore-yes --purge"? [13:14] dpkg -P --force-all .deb [13:16] http://pastebin.com/k7abhcxV [13:17] it seems it is removed [13:17] now try apt-get -f install? [13:19] The lowlatency kernel is removed too? [13:20] ignoring request to remove linux-image.... which isnt installed [13:20] dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove linux-image-3.16.0-031600-lowlatency which isn't installed [13:20] Hmm, odd. Try the apt fix, I guess. [13:22] http://pastebin.com/pmu85s9C [13:24] it keeps complaining about linux-image-extra-3.13.0-49-generic while dpkg says it isnt installed [13:29] mv: dpkg -P --force-all http://pastebin.com/pmu85s9C [13:29] Err... [13:29] mv: dpkg -P --force-all [13:30] mv: dpkg -P --force-all linux-image-extra-3.13.0-49-generic [13:30] Copy pasting in Windows is hard. [13:30] haha okay :P [13:30] Especially when it is swapping. [13:31] http://pastebin.com/ZxsJpChg [13:31] windows makes everything slow~ [13:33] Windows can be allright... Usually it performs quite okay. Guess I'm torturing it with a A0@300dpi PS file. [13:33] ahh thats why xD [13:34] next week i wil start troturing it with a 4K screen, but specially for PS i got 32GB DDR3 [13:35] did you see the error message? http://pastebin.com/ZxsJpChg === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [13:35] Even more ugly hack fixing: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/.postrm [13:37] http://pastebin.com/qY4tPMia [13:39] mv: Comment lines 9 through 15. [13:41] done, now dpkg command again? [13:41] Yes. [13:42] done, now going to do apt-get -f install again [13:42] It looks like that error is comming from /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs.. line 11 very odd [13:43] rberg: That's the one wich we are trying to fix. But apt want to remove the kernels before fixing initramfstools. [13:43] In short, it's a mess. [13:44] ahh.. thats super weird to not have gnuopt [13:44] http://pastebin.com/X5nBpBvB === lool- is now known as lool [13:46] Whoo, there is an initramfstools :D [13:46] its back? :D [13:46] Maybe it is not configured... [13:47] Anyhow, is ts3server/sickbeard required? [13:47] they are my personal programs [13:48] and i have 2 different sickbeard installations, one under the name animebeard [13:48] Their initscripts are a mess. [13:48] i see the error on the animebeard script. i think thats because i tried to make it work as service :c [13:49] Read lines 34 till 40. [13:49] can i just remove theire scripts somehow? [13:51] You can. [13:51] They are in /etc/init or /etc/init.d [13:52] seems like apt-get -f install worked :D [13:52] il post results [13:52] http://pastebin.com/9cMPYFQy [13:55] before i go do crazy things. tell me what do now first :3 [13:58] mv: Reinstall linux-image-generic, for starters. [13:58] installing now :) [13:58] so happy now it seems everything acts normal again :D [14:08] install the "linux" metapackage ... not just the -image-generic one [14:09] okay, il start that when its finnished with the image-generic [14:14] Hi, I've installed proftpd on a server. Logrotate is configured for rotate weekly and run postrotate : invoke-rc.d proftpd restart [14:14] but proftpd will stop and not start [14:15] executing by hand invoke-rc.d proftpd restart proftpd remain stopped [14:18] ok I found a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/proftpd-dfsg/+bug/1246245 I've inserted sleep statement in init.d script file [14:18] still got an error when it tried to configure http://pastebin.com/QnvvaAix [14:19] i tried the apt-get install linux, but linux package isnt found~ [14:25] now it gives errors on the linux-image-generic, etc. uhh what to do now? === mrt333_ is now known as mrt333 === martins-afk is now known as martinst [14:38] are you busy? [14:40] Actually I have no idea how to fix that one properly. I've read of dirty ways (disableing the hook), but I do not know what it does, nor what the consequences of such an action are. [14:41] ok, i tried removing the packages that where in the error list and now try installing linux-image-generic again. when removing it asks to make an boot menu file but if i say yes it gives an error. === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [14:42] if it doesnt work il try your dirty way. i have nothing to loose right? now its not working so it cant get worse :P [14:45] Heh, that is what you say now. [14:46] i dont understand what you mean [14:48] Now you say you got nothing to loose. Until, say, you loose all your data... [14:50] lordievader: 2 years ago i already lost 6TB of data. im used to the hurt now xD also my most important data is on the mdadm raid [14:51] also the really most important data, my photography, i have already on backup === martinst is now known as martins-afk [14:55] still got the same error http://pastebin.com/UwP6JyWh [14:55] you knew a dirty way to fix it? lets try that i guess [14:56] Hunt out the fixtrc script and take away its execute rights. [14:59] you mean searching it like this (find / "*fixtrc*")? but it doesnt find anything [14:59] No, your output tells you where it is. [15:01] oh fixrtc i see [15:01] * lordievader is off to make dinner [15:03] it workd! :D [15:04] succesfully setup linux-image-generic [15:04] hi [15:04] what should be the next step to take? [15:04] so i've had this bug on my server since day 1 of installing ubuntu 14.04... https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8449 [15:05] and associated launchpad bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/1257186 [15:05] i read the comments in the samba bugzilla and it says they fixed it in samba 4.1 [15:05] but i checked my samba... [15:05] samba -V [15:05] Version 4.1.6-Ubuntu [15:05] stiv2k i also had the talloc error but it seemed it just worked without problems [15:06] yes i never noticed any problems either [15:06] other than shell users complaining that the message is annoying [15:06] lordievader: can i try apt-get upgrade now? (apt-get -f install now returns without errors) [15:07] stiv2k: if somebody can provide a backported fix that works and doesn't introduce any regressions, I'd be happy to upload it. [15:07] rbasak: yes [15:07] I haven't spent much time myself as I understand that it's mainly just an annoyance. [15:07] well i just wanted to know if the fix is issued in our samba packages yet [15:07] i was under the impression that they fixed it upstream in 4.1 [15:08] and im running 4.1.6 so it should already be fixed....? [15:08] or am i missing something? [15:13] lordievader: can i just try to use apt-get upgrade now? or should i do something else first? [15:14] stiv2k: I think upstream backported it to their 4.1 stable branch, but if they've released it it's after 4.1.6. [15:19] rbasak: so no worries? just wait longer? [15:21] stiv2k: we don't automatically update to samba's latest stable release, so it is waiting on somebody to backport and test. I don't know if it'll get to the top of our list or not any time soon. [15:21] Volunteers welcome. [15:22] rbasak: let me graduate college first [15:22] ;) === kirkland` is now known as kirkland === markthomas|away is now known as markthomas === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [16:19] How can I get the command executed by an user via ssh in /etc/ssh/sshrc? I'm looking for something like "SSH_ORIGINAL_COMMAND" [16:32] faust: not sure what you mean. you want a command issued automatically when a user connects via ssh? [16:33] pmatulis: e.g. an user run "ssh root@server uname -a" I want my /etc/ssh/sshrc to know that the user run "uname -a" [16:34] faust: you want that b/c sshrc will act on it in some way? [16:35] I'm looking for something like the SSH_ORIGINAL_COMMAND enviroment variable defined for the script run by ForceCommand [16:35] pmatulis: yes [16:39] faust: i don't think it's possible b/c sshrc is run before the remote command is run [16:42] pmatulis: when you use ForceCommand that script is run before the remote command, but you have access to its command line via SSH_ORIGINAL_COMMAND, but probably you are rigth it is not possible... === ashleyd is now known as ashd [16:53] mv: You have a kernel installed? [16:54] lordievader: yes, no i was trying apt-get upgrade but its just finished with some errors [16:54] lordievader, well, if the fixrtc hok failed there is something seriously essential missing (did you check what it copies) [16:54] ogra_: No, as I mentioned before I have no idea what it does. [16:55] that looks more like something like core-utils and e2fsprogs are missing [16:55] but the kernel installed succesfully. http://pastebin.com/mS9AcCuy [16:55] it copies three files around [16:55] these three are: /bin/date /sbin/hwclock /sbin/dumpe2fs [16:56] if it cant find them i assume there was more essential stuff remnoved than just the kernel or grub [16:59] e2fsprogs seems not installed. should i try install it? [17:00] is ubuntu-minimal installed ? [17:00] that pulls the most essential bit in [17:00] no i dont think so. il try to let it install. === ashleyd is now known as ashd [17:01] faust: yes, but SSH_ORIGINAL_COMMAND is within the user's shell/environment. sshrc is not run within that environment so i don't know how it could ever discover it [17:03] it looks like its downloading fonts and installing them~ [17:03] now adobe-flash-plugin [17:03] when you install the ubuntu-minimal task ? [17:04] yup [17:04] its done now, no errors [17:04] this sounds surely mseed up [17:04] *messed [17:04] faust: however, ~/.ssh/rc (user level) is run within the user's env so you could grab it in that way [17:04] maybe its because of previous updates [17:05] what else did it install ? [17:05] yes, all upgrades have been done now, only 120 updates are held back [17:05] err [17:05] you should not have any held back updates [17:05] (never) [17:05] it says so now [17:06] pmatulis: mm I cannot use ~/.ssh/rc, but thanks anyway [17:06] if i try apt-get upgrade [17:06] dont use upgrade ... [17:06] use dist-upgrade [17:06] Ah, what happens when you do apt-get dist-upgrade [17:06] doing so now [17:06] its installing allot more updates [17:06] 120 and 97 newly installed [17:07] anyway, missing ubuntu-minimal is quite serious and actually the point where i would start to suggest a reinstall ... [17:07] but finish that dist-upgrade first and see where that leaves you === xachet is now known as xachet_lunch [17:07] but its reinstalled now right? and its updating. ok il wait for it to finish [17:08] it will take a while now it says 31~20 mins [17:09] i never knew i should use dist-upgrade. i always been told to use upgrade from my teacher... (our teacher just got a linux mint workshop of a couple hours and a linux mint book, so he also didnt know much) [17:10] upgrdae will only update installed packages ... if it needs to remove something due to a changed dependency it will hold back the package and all its dependencies [17:10] dist-upgrade will always also remove and replace other packages to fulfill everything [17:10] ohh good to know :) i learn so much more from the community then from teachers at school [17:10] also ... mint != ubuntu [17:11] they hack up things like the upgrade mechanism heavily [17:11] nothing we have any experience with in here [17:11] so ubuntu is much better then mint? :) [17:11] not saying that [17:11] i wonder why mint would hack such a thing? [17:11] Better is a matter of opinion. [17:11] okay, better in your opinion? [17:12] pmatulis, to suppress kernel upgrades, xorg and grub upgrades etc [17:12] Have never used Mint, can't say. [17:12] ogra_: wow interesting ok [17:12] pmatulis, they also replace some essentiual libs with their own patched versions (sometimes without bumping the ABI ...) [17:13] and i doubt do-release-upgrade even works on mint ... [17:13] ... while on ubuntu this is the only official way to go from one release to another [17:14] * ogra_ wont say anything more about mint ... the last time i did i ended up with a 3 week long shitstorm and and presonal threads from mint people ... [17:14] im curious if grub would be working again now? if i could later restart and wont use livecd anymore~ [17:15] ogra_ omg thats really crazy. people shouldnt be so hatefull [17:15] well, they thought it was a canonical conspiracy ... :) [17:15] but still they shouldnt be so hatefull [17:15] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/11/canonical-dev-dont-use-linux-mint-online-banking-unsecure [17:16] well, there was a lot clickbait stuff going on ... i made a comment on a developer mailing list and the press pulled it out of context and added sensationalist headlines [17:17] im reading it now~ but the press nuked it all? thats to bad [17:17] just google "wouldn't do homebanking with mint" [17:17]