[04:34] More almal [05:00] hi barrydk nlsthzn and all those not really active yet [05:25] Kilos: hola [05:25] hi there stickyboy [05:25] Kilos: How many cups of coffee have you had today? [05:26] on my second [05:26] and hald a beer mug of tea [05:26] half [05:33] Kilos: Wow, and it's only 8 am [05:33] lol [05:33] morning all [05:33] hi pieter2627 [05:37] stickyboy one has to keep dehydration at bay [05:37] hehe [05:58] morning Jacques_Stry [05:58] Morning [05:58] i have to teach my pc to accept mortab as morning [05:59] ive got so used to using tab for nicks i get caught daily with morning [05:59] haha [06:00] o/ uncle Kilos [06:00] so nlsthzn hows my ahab family? [06:01] good thanks... up nice and early on baby duty [06:01] keeps one busy :p [06:01] Kilos: Checked my IRC client but no option like that, would have been cool [06:02] * Jacques_Stry waves at nlsthzn [06:02] lol ty Jacques_Stry [06:02] o/ Jacques_Stry [06:56] Waiting for 15.04 RC to popup... [07:07] Think i'm gonna go with 15.04 RC today [07:08] Should be stable enough [07:25] 'lo [07:25] * Jacques_Stry waves [07:26] lol [07:26] my bash foo gets stronger every day ;p [07:26] for i in {0..254}; do if ((($i % 2) == 0)); then echo 197.155.94.$i/31; fi; done <=== love simple shit like that [07:26] >.< [07:30] * Jacques_Stry waves [07:32] Would be interesting to see some of you guys desktop setups, want to post some? [07:34] install KDE, there's my setup :-) [07:35] lol [07:35] still don't you do any customizing? [07:36] I have some launch icons on the taskbar [07:36] Symmetria: doesn't (0 % 2) == 0? [07:36] ThatGraemeGuy: :) [07:36] graeme@nb-graemed:~$ echo $((0 % 2)) [07:36] 0 [07:40] http://s30.postimg.org/edr5d9idd/Screenshot_from_2015_04_16_09_38_23.png [07:43] Symmetria: ipcalc 197.155.94.0/24 31|grep "Network:"|awk '{print $2}' [07:43] my screenshots over the years - https://www.flickr.com/photos/59930315@N03/sets/72157626124571449/ [07:44] Fuduntu O.O [07:45] pieter2627 heh, yes, and if it does, thats an accurate /31 subnet [07:46] my current setup (conky still based on old wallpaper) http://pasteboard.co/2BrLIy4C.jpg [07:46] but what ThatGraemeGuy said also works :) but heh, still prefer not relying on subnet calculates etc [07:46] pieter2627 197.155.94.0/31 = 197.155.94.0 and 197.155.94.1, I only wanted to print .0 [07:47] Symmetria: ok (i clearly need to improve my knowledge of it :P) [07:47] though ThatGraemeGuy, the interesting thing is, while IPCalc works to do this, what its actually outputting to do it, is incorrect from a networking perspective [07:47] since a /31 does not have a network address or a broadcast address [07:47] a /31 is a rather... special subnet :) [07:47] ipcalc knows that [07:47] heh /32 = host, /30 = point to point with network/broadcast, /31 = no network, no broadcast [07:48] http://pastebin.com/RJMJc6Wn, yup, ipcalc knows [07:49] nlsthzn: I never could get used to gnome - that launcher irritates me to no end [07:50] gnome-shell 3.14 and above is simply stunning imo... and extensions really make it imo the best DE for linux currently [07:50] but thats just me :p [07:50] Too many clicks for me to do what I want - too distracting for me [07:52] But it looks awesome [07:52] binding the super key to the launcher it is similar to unity... Super-key start typing name of app... typically three characters are enough, hit enter [07:53] quick swipe to top left and get overview off all open apps and workspaces [07:53] choose app I want or flick it to other workspace [07:53] Taskbar status icons not being visible is a problem for me [07:53] ctrl+alt and up or down and I have the workspace with the app I wanbt [07:53] there is an extension for that Jacques_Stry ;) [07:54] works in 3.14, not sure about 3.16 for now [07:54] installed the extension but it kept on bugging out for me [07:54] but then again 3.16 brings very good notification support [07:54] was loosing icons every +-2hrs [07:54] to really get the best gnome 3 experience you need to run Fedora IMO [07:54] which is why I am on unity :/\ [07:54] i see [07:55] type the name of an app you don't even have installed yet you can simply install it from the launcher... works amazingly well [07:55] openSuse also not bad [07:55] to me the best desktop env. I have worked with was elementary os [07:55] simple and the hot corners work extremely well [07:55] but they still have there own home made applications that double what gnome already offers [07:56] but had a lot of compatibility issues with it [07:56] never enjoyed panteon that much [07:56] pantheon [07:56] have never tried fedora [07:56] but of a debian based distro junky [07:56] bit* [07:57] I would like to have the same experience I have with Fedora Gnome but with all the benefits of Ubuntu... [07:57] ubuntu gnome not doing it for me at the moment [07:57] Ubuntu really does have allot of benefits :) [08:00] Just the sheer amount of documentation on the net is what keeps me here, enough of a reason [08:23] load shedding huh [08:23] lol [08:24] twice a day now. totally sucks [08:24] ouch, for how long? [08:24] 2 hours 15 mins and 2.5 hours from 4 pm [08:25] im waiting for it to kill this drive for me [08:26] are you planning on putting in a claim or something? [08:27] i have a couple of times before, they just ignore it [08:27] and now they they we have the schedule online [08:27] they say [08:28] last year and earlier i lost 3 drives [08:28] now i dont bother anymore just save for a new one [08:29] sounds like you should rather hope that it doesn't get killed [08:31] well this seagate 1TB has been going for a year faultlessly [08:32] i have to zero it by accident to make it not work [08:32] oh with kde on it of course [08:34] once one is used to kde i think it is difficult to change to another flavour [08:36] im sure pro smiles when he hears that [08:37] swine [08:40] Jacques_Stry whats news with book thing in vm? [08:40] with the loadshedding I didn't get very far last night [08:40] hahaha [08:41] Installed a fresh ubuntu server VM but haven't gotten as far as installing booktype [08:41] and also why must it run on a dedicated server? [08:42] lol dunno [08:42] padroni is looking as well [08:42] if it can be done without that dedicated server thing he could maybe host for us [08:43] hi raywan|away did any one greet you here when you logged in [08:43] doesn't seem to work with mysql it seems and that is what most hosting company's provide you so think it will have to be a dedicated [08:43] if not welcome to ubuntu-za [08:43] Kilos: raywan|away is currently backpacking across East Africa. :P [08:44] oh my [08:44] Kilos: (with a backpack I gave him) :P [08:44] go go go explore the world! [08:44] haha good man stickyboy [08:44] but hard work on foot [08:44] shoes are expensive [08:45] Am I prepared to give up thefro.org? [08:46] whats that? dont make me google or go to a link [08:46] i get tired with all the rtfs [08:47] forget that now and finish your git thing [08:48] shame , poor DalekSec must be sorry he joined a channel of nutcases [08:49] Haha, well were all nuts - even if only a little [08:51] hy is een van die buntu menere [08:51] ek sien [08:51] nog meer as wat ons hier sien [08:52] groot kop [08:52] Kilos: I own thefro.org. :) Since 2003 or something. [08:52] stickyboy sell it and by a pc for ubuntu [08:54] buy [08:55] then you will take a leap up in status [09:00] stickyboy Unable to look up www.thefro.org [09:04] Kilos: Yah, I don't have anything there right now. :P [09:04] sjoe [09:06] lol I tried too [09:06] lol [09:07] stickyboy whats the oddos of converting it to a dedicated server for booktype [09:07] odds [09:09] then you can help educate the nations [09:17] 15.04 RC is out - downloading [09:17] kde too? [09:18] it's up http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20150416/ [09:19] sjoe [09:19] that's the daily build, its always 'up' :-p [09:19] another midnight session coming up [09:20] hi ThatGraemeGuy [09:20] lol daily build from today is the RC [09:21] 'lo Kilos [09:21] I used to upgrade when beta 2 hit, never experienced major trouble [09:24] This lappy i'm using sweating while doing the release upgrade... [09:24] SSD ftw :) [09:24] my home pc has one but not work lappy... [09:26] Starting to think I should invest in one for this lappy even if I have to buy it myself [09:26] yeah my work laptop has one, they understand the value thats gained [09:45] ai! [09:46] what happened? [09:46] all the mails [09:46] nice to have friends online [09:47] :) [09:52] Must say they made a big improvement with the printing driver on 15.04 [09:52] Much quicker [09:59] good mornings [09:59] ThatGraemeGuy: thanks for the lesson [09:59] which lesson? o_O [09:59] hi inetpro jy stout man [10:00] * inetpro didn't know about the subnet calculation part of ipcalc [10:00] :-) [10:00] very handy [10:00] oh :) [10:00] but then I don't need it all day every day as well [10:01] Symmetria: nice little bash one-liner [10:03] ThatGraemeGuy: I use ipcalc often but just for the basic calculation of a single network profile [10:03] Kilos: hoekom ek stout? [10:04] pos daai goed lys toe [10:04] wel dis in die nuus, die hele wêreld vol [10:04] maak my skaam [10:05] The Fridge is an information hub for the Ubuntu community... [10:06] eish you watch the fridge thing too? [10:06] obviously [10:06] im not safe anywhere anymore [10:07] get out of that cocoon of yours and start flying sir [10:07] and don't go crashing like the other one [10:08] what other one? [10:08] the cocooncrash_ [10:08] eish i miss having him here [10:08] :-) [10:15] brb restart [10:15] ok [10:16] Morning [10:16] hi Squirm [10:22] My conky no longer works... [10:23] ai! [10:23] fixit [10:23] ah well I'll get it sorted later [10:24] system monitor looks a bit different [11:22] hi superfly [11:31] wb pieter2627 [11:31] thanks Kilos (lappy freezing) [11:31] eish [11:33] what are you running there again? [11:33] 14.10 unity [11:33] * pieter2627 hopes Kilos is indeed talking to him [11:33] yeah [11:34] now you got to find whats causing the freezing [11:35] there must be some way of finding the prob [11:35] too many open stuff with little ram(swap freeze up) - or at least i think so [11:35] ask mr fixit [11:35] how much ram? [11:35] pro? [11:35] 2Gb [11:36] ya him [11:36] eish ram [11:37] have you tried waiting when it freezes to see what happens [11:37] is your swap on [11:37] sometimes in comes back - just too impatient at other times [11:38] that means its struggling ya [11:38] yes swap is on, but am thinking of increasing it [11:38] size? [11:38] you can go twice the size of your ram i think [11:38] that rings a bell somewhere [11:39] oh try munin [11:39] current 1Gb - yea twice is recommended (just didn't know it back then) [11:39] munin? [11:40] it sees whats using resources or something [11:40] ThatGraemeGuy can you fill in please [11:40] fill in what? [11:40] what munin does [11:40] ok (am currently keeping an eye on atop) [11:41] what is your swappiness value atm? [11:41] 80 [11:41] how do i check? [11:41] or 60 [11:41] what does 'free -m' say? [11:41] cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness [11:41] (the default) [11:42] Mem: 1824 1719 105 148 53 429 [11:42] -/+ buffers/cache: 1235 589 [11:42] Swap: 976 430 546 [11:42] get more memory [11:42] [11:42] -/+ buffers/cache: 2259 1659 [11:42] Swap: 8826 0 8826 [11:42] Best fix is more mem yes :) [11:42] LOL yeah i know [11:43] what interface you running? [11:43] unity [11:43] kde [11:43] get more ram or try XFCE [11:43] or LXDE [11:43] 14.04 [11:43] xfce or lxde will help allot [11:43] 2GB is not a lot for a modern desktop OS [11:43] reduces ram usage [11:44] you can also install mate [11:44] makes it much lighter [11:44] that on the plan in a few days, just have to hold till then [11:44] i think its in the repos [11:44] i doubt mate would be lighter than XFCE/LXDE [11:44] isn't it another GNOME fork? [11:44] i dunno but really speeds up unity [11:45] o_O [11:45] ya mate is a fork of gnome2 [11:45] ok I think you probably lost the plot somewhere [11:45] mate cannot speed up unity [11:45] it uses the mate gui [11:45] then unity sleeps [11:45] you choose at boot [11:45] o_O [11:46] ok I'm out of this discussion [11:46] haha [11:46] hehe [11:46] pieter set swappiness to 10 [11:46] will help a bit at making it a bit more responsive [11:47] I'd make it 0 but thats just me [11:47] only swap if you absolutely have to [11:47] but you can tweak and tune all you want, you will need more memory at some point [11:49] in the car tuning world there's a saying "there's no replacement for displacement", i.e. you can gain power by tweaking little things here and there, maybe add some form of forced induction but at the end of the day you're better off with the 2.0 than the 1.4 [11:49] memory is the same [11:49] agreed [11:50] ram is expensive though [11:50] what happens when it is at 0 - had it at 10 at times [11:51] so is that 2.0 engine, but if you're complaining about the 1.4 being too slow, there isn't much to do but come up with the money somehow :) [11:51] on 0 when you run out of ram it thrashes a bit so I prefer setting it on 5 usually [11:51] a 16v golg or jetta outrun a 3l ford [11:52] golf [11:52] the thing is when I do blender I can run out of ram even on my home pc with 16gb [11:52] sjoe [11:53] pieter2627: If you want to make the change permanant then add "vm.swappiness = 5" to /etc/sysctl.conf [11:54] permanent* [11:55] i might experiment with some temps first then set the best one - remember that a really low value seemed bad in the past [11:55] i can remember* [12:09] and i'm sitting in the dark [12:12] ai! === jacques_ is now known as Jacques_Stry [12:13] Running on Lap bat [12:16] as long as we have this load shedding business i think lappies are better [12:18] do the batteries last 2 and a half hours? [12:20] mine goes about 2 hours [12:21] depends on the model and specs - some last up to 7 hours [12:21] even if you do nothing but irc? [12:22] Sup Kilos [12:22] long time no see [12:22] hi Spekko wb [12:22] ty ty [12:22] where you been? [12:23] New Work :-/ been working my arse off for the past 8months or so. [12:23] whew [12:24] so what do you sit on now? [12:24] ribs? [12:24] anyone know Symmetria's Ubuntu mirror details? [12:24] sjoe [12:24] Symmetria your mirror details please [12:26] ThatGraemeGuy our local mirriors are pointed to him [12:26] I found it [12:26] the default one and the other za ones [12:26] we run a mirror for internal use but our upstream is a bit flaky apparently [12:27] ah [12:27] starting to play with ubuntu in addition to debian [12:28] Pretty much yeah, bare bones [12:28] hehe [12:29] where are you working thats working you so hard? [12:56] Kilos: Problem is screen on the lappy still uses allot of power even if you only browse etc. [12:56] ah [13:05] Welcome unnamed one [13:08] haha [13:25] Chat in a while, going home [13:25] ok [13:53] hi Cantide and others [13:55] hmm... [13:57] Kilos, :) [13:57] congratulations~ [13:58] ty Cantide was a fluke [13:58] hah [13:58] they didnt have anyone else [13:58] no such thing as a fluke :p [13:58] yaya [13:59] when a door is breaking you use rusty nails if thats all you have [14:00] why you depressed lad [14:01] ahhh [14:01] 미안합니다 <- it says "sorry" and was used as a catchphrase during the Sewol disaster [14:01] the Sewol sank a year ago, today [14:02] ah [14:02] so many Koreans are remembering [14:02] shame [14:02] yeah... heartbreaking stuff [14:03] and some families are still seeking closure [14:03] the bodies of about 9 children have not been found [14:03] ya sad but better than the whole country being washed away [14:03] eish [14:04] lol [14:04] true that [14:04] oh, i bought a plane ticket for SA yesterday [14:04] gonna visit for about a week and a half in July :) [14:05] nice [14:05] hows your korean contacts doing [14:05] i see they have rebuilt their loco [14:05] help them if you can or join them anyway [14:06] yeah [14:06] i joined their IRC channel now [14:06] good [14:06] but i don't know the nick of the person you pointed to me on Facebook [14:06] brb [14:06] wait ill get it [14:07] k [14:07] TaeheeJang [14:07] he is offline atm [14:08] aha [14:08] i see :p [14:08] it's just his Korean name '-'; [14:08] 장태희 [14:08] thats the nick he uses too [14:08] yup, thanks [14:09] cool [14:09] i'll keep an eye out for him [14:22] load shedding up to stage 2 [14:24] from 18:00 supposedly although CoCT already on 2 according to them [14:29] ai! [15:40] hmm... [15:41] wb Private_User [15:41] wow Cantide you here long hey? [15:41] must be missing za [16:19] lol [16:19] i forgot i was in here [16:19] going to sleep now [16:19] lol [16:19] good night! [16:19] sleep tight lad [16:25] hi Rynomster [16:26] howzit Kilos [16:26] ok ty and you [16:28] alright thanks :) [16:29] you okes that swop nicks kill my brain [16:29]