| ochosi | morning all | 06:26 |
|---|---|---|
| elfy | morning ochosi | 06:26 |
| ochosi | so the overall feedback (from what i've read on the interwebs) was fairly positive wrt our default app switch | 06:28 |
| ochosi | and lol, for some reason ppl also started to discuss our default music player | 06:28 |
| ochosi | and brace yourselves, those of you who always say there is nobody who actually likes gmusicbrowser, it comes out on top :) | 06:29 |
| ochosi | http://www.webupd8.org/2015/04/xubuntu-1510-to-drop-gimp-abiword-and.html | 06:29 |
| Unit193 | Wow. | 06:31 |
| elfy | :) | 06:31 |
| Unit193 | Wonder if GIMP actually does have "98%" of what Photoshop does. | 06:33 |
| Unit193 | And yeah, looked like one or maybe two didn't like it, but that is a small selection of people. G+ seems to do polls, does Twitter or FB? | 06:36 |
| ochosi | yeah, a few sad faces about gimp, but nothing dramatic and so far i haven't seen anybody who disagreed with dropping abiword+gnumeric | 06:38 |
| Unit193 | Seemed like a couple, and some were more discontent with adding LO, and thought all office applications should be optional. :P | 06:39 |
| ochosi | we still have to discuss what of LO to include | 06:42 |
| ochosi | which likely means checking how big the parts of LO are | 06:42 |
| elfy | writer and calc I'd guess | 06:42 |
| ochosi | elfy: yeah, but maybe impress isn't heavy and if it isn't, it'd be a nice gain | 06:42 |
| elfy | I guess so - never use it | 06:43 |
| ochosi | at least to me, that is the classical office trias | 06:43 |
| elfy | yep | 06:43 |
| elfy | and then which icon set for it too I guess | 06:44 |
| ochosi | oh right | 06:49 |
| Unit193 | I'd tend to agree with elfy, but it's more what's going to get pulled in anyway. :P | 06:50 |
| elfy | we've got these guys on team who like to make things look nice | 06:50 |
| elfy | thankfully :D | 06:50 |
| Unit193 | Recommends: libreoffice-avmedia-backend-gstreamer, and -writer does -math, so looks like the whole thing or nothing. | 06:52 |
| ochosi | elfy: :) yeah, there was a time when i considered making an icon theme for LO, but it's a ridiculous amount of icons... | 06:54 |
| elfy | he he he | 06:54 |
| ochosi | Unit193: humm, any way round pulling all the crappy parts in? | 06:55 |
| Unit193 | I'll leave that up to Sean. | 06:55 |
| Unit193 | libreoffice-writer libreoffice-calc libreoffice-gtk: http://paste.openstack.org/show/204056/ | 06:58 |
| Unit193 | (Warning, not on xubuntu nor vivid. :P ) | 06:59 |
| ochosi | wowza, style-galaxy and style-human, as if one icon theme wasn't enough | 07:01 |
| Unit193 | Suggests? Ignore. | 07:02 |
| Unit193 | Looks like galaxy can be avoided. | 07:05 |
| astraljava | So, due to recent changes in personal life, I'm looking into getting more active on FLOSS scene again. In case the team needs any assistance, I could rejoin the ranks. :) | 07:26 |
| elfy | test test test test test test test test test test test | 07:27 |
| astraljava | Okay then. :) | 07:28 |
| astraljava | I'll get familiar with the release schedule, and plan a personal timetable. | 07:29 |
| elfy | astraljava: basically - release candidate is due out tomorrow - then release next Thursday | 07:31 |
| elfy | don't worry about packages, but any image testing you can do will be gratefully received :) | 07:31 |
| astraljava | Alright cool! Will be busy with work most of the day, but I'd imagine I can get to it at around 2000 UTC or something. | 07:32 |
| astraljava | I suppose there's still a testdrive utility or something? I do not have hardware I could test on ATM. | 07:32 |
| astraljava | Yes, I see there is. :) | 07:33 |
| elfy | astraljava: just grab vbox - not sure what state testdrive is in tbh | 07:33 |
| astraljava | Ahh... ok, will do. | 07:34 |
| astraljava | I'll look for the team's test pages later. Thanks! | 07:34 |
| elfy | thanks :) | 07:39 |
| elfy | bbl | 07:39 |
| ochosi | astraljava: great, wb! :) | 07:40 |
| ochosi | if you wanna get into development again too, always feel free to get in touch | 07:40 |
| astraljava | Cheers. :) I most certainly will. | 07:41 |
| astraljava | I'm planning to find professional positions outside of hands-on development (after this current project, that is), so I'll hunger for messing with source again. :) | 07:42 |
| ochosi | sounds great! | 07:49 |
| ochosi | there's always lots and lots to do | 07:49 |
| ochosi | mostly trying to support xfce with the gtk3 transition | 07:49 |
| * Unit193 sighs. | 07:49 | |
| * Unit193 dons a cheerleader outfit. | 07:49 | |
| astraljava | ochosi: Ok cool, if you have more detailed plans somewhere, please elaborate. | 07:57 |
| astraljava | Hey Unit193! | 07:57 |
| Unit193 | Howdy, astraljava. | 07:57 |
| ochosi | astraljava: well there's a roadmap for xfce 4.14, you can start by reading through that: https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.14/roadmap | 07:58 |
| astraljava | ochosi: Aye, cap'n! | 07:59 |
| elfy | astraljava: basically - release candidate is due out tomorrow - then release next Thursday | 10:42 |
| astraljava | elfy: Right, so you're saying there's not much point in testing today? | 11:16 |
| ochosi | Unit193: just FYI, xubuntu-core has a few fans on g+. are you planning to write up some blog post about that? | 11:20 |
| elfy | astraljava: not hugely today no | 12:39 |
| astraljava | elfy: Alrighty then, I'll reserve that energy for tomorrow. :) | 13:38 |
| elfy | astraljava: I will mail the list again once I see things that can be worked on | 14:53 |
| elfy | more than once ;) | 14:53 |
| elfy | annnnd ... images had it again :| | 15:24 |
| elfy | so have we done anything that would have the xfce background behind the try/install dialogue? | 15:35 |
| elfy | bug 1259525 again | 15:35 |
| ubottu | bug 1259525 in Xubuntu Default Settings "Lubuntu & Xubuntu & Ubuntu Kylin lightdm session fails to start. user-session is not set" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1259525 | 15:35 |
| elfy | http://i.imgur.com/guVSpEH.png - vbox with dialogue shoved over | 15:36 |
| elfy | http://i.imgur.com/F2UKnm5.png | 15:36 |
| elfy | kvm | 15:36 |
| slickymasterWork | yeah, nasty | 15:38 |
| micahg | I'm not noticing any actual translations updates in xubuntu-default-settings, just some new files, so I'm thinking to just skip the upload | 15:55 |
| elfy | micahg: we have worse issues right now | 15:55 |
| micahg | ah :( | 15:55 |
| micahg | well, if they still exist in about 6-7 hours, I can try to help fix | 15:56 |
| elfy | rather than me rehash - logs should be up in irclogs shortly | 15:56 |
| micahg | ok | 15:56 |
| elfy | seems though to be bug 1259525 reappearing | 15:57 |
| ubottu | bug 1259525 in Xubuntu Default Settings "Lubuntu & Xubuntu & Ubuntu Kylin lightdm session fails to start. user-session is not set" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1259525 | 15:57 |
| slickymasterWork | micahg, I think the last transations in x-d-s were in hu.po | 16:02 |
| slickymasterWork | * translations | 16:02 |
| micahg | ok, I didn't see any actual translations though, just new files | 16:02 |
| micahg | http://paste.ubuntu.com/10833798/ | 16:04 |
| slickymasterWork | that seems correct micahg | 16:05 |
| micahg | as in I don't need to upload? | 16:06 |
| slickymasterWork | I don't know when it was last uploaded, but the timestamps on the po files are correct | 16:07 |
| slickymasterWork | I think bluesabre upload it, but don't recall now when he did it | 16:08 |
| micahg | ok, I'll be back around 23:00 UTC, if that bug still exists, I can dig then | 16:21 |
| elfy | micahg: has anyone done anything to the image since yesterday's build? | 16:24 |
| micahg | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/203384379/ubiquity_2.21.20_2.21.21.diff.gz ? | 16:27 |
| elfy | orite - so nothing that's x-d-s then | 16:27 |
| micahg | sorry, have to run | 16:27 |
| elfy | yep - cya | 16:27 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Nice, and nah it was released last cycle. | 19:11 |
| dkessel | hmm did i miss something? it looks like the german translation of the desktop guide is not included in the package anymore on vivid? | 19:38 |
| Unit193 | For some reason, they aren't. They've been translated enough though. | 19:40 |
| Unit193 | POT is up to date. | 19:42 |
| dkessel | strange | 19:44 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Also don't see it. :D | 20:22 |
| knome | elfy, anything you'd like to work on with me tonight? | 20:40 |
| elfy | knome: nope - unless you know what broke images :) | 20:41 |
| knome | well unless the images were that thing that made a crackling noise when i sat on the sofa... nope | 20:42 |
| knome | i'll plan some gaming for me then ;) | 20:42 |
| elfy | was just a reallyu slight hope that some little thing broek the world :D | 20:42 |
| knome | who knows... it might be | 20:42 |
| Unit193 | brainwash: BTW, have any issues with freshplayer? Wasn't working in FF, but did work in xombrero where it didn't used to. :P | 21:26 |
| brainwash | Unit193: I don't use it. some user emailed me and thanked me for my ppa, so I just keep updating it | 21:28 |
| Unit193 | Sure, I poke it every few months. | 21:28 |
| brainwash | Unit193: fedora (xfce) has xfdashboard, any plans for xubuntu? | 21:32 |
| Unit193 | brainwash: I've noticed, is it shipped by default now though? And, I'm hoping for repos for Wombat, and don't know/care too much if it's shipped by default though. | 21:33 |
| Unit193 | We've got it cooking in extras, and seems to be fairly well liked. | 21:33 |
| brainwash | maybe not really needed by default | 21:35 |
| ochosi | Unit193: you don't see what? | 21:36 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Looked at the G+ community and +xubuntu, didn't see comments about core. :P | 21:36 |
| ochosi | oh, well, they're hidden in some comments to a webupd8 posting i think | 21:37 |
| Unit193 | Mmm, I see. | 21:37 |
| ochosi | i only noticed that ppl are not aware of -core | 21:37 |
| ochosi | and felt we might start to advertise or publicise that a bit now | 21:37 |
| Unit193 | I could say it 100 times, but people still won't get tasks vs metas. | 21:39 |
| Unit193 | Helped someone just this week about that, btw. \o/ | 21:39 |
| ochosi | yeah, well maybe a blog post explaining the procedure might help? | 21:40 |
| * Unit193 winces. | 21:41 | |
| ochosi | writing things down once instead of having to explain them over and over... | 21:41 |
| elfy | ochosi: I would blame YOU in this channel :D | 21:46 |
| ochosi | oh ok, that's comforting to know :] | 21:46 |
| elfy | lol | 21:46 |
| knome | some people seems to think we're keeping gnumeric | 21:48 |
| knome | i don't understand how you can misinterpret the mail, but... | 21:49 |
| ochosi | weird, i thought i was pretty explicit | 21:49 |
| elfy | cos people read what they want | 21:49 |
| ochosi | "So all in all this means that 15.10 will be shipped without Gimp, Abiword and Gnumeric but instead (parts of) the LibreOffice Suite." | 21:49 |
| knome | ochosi, as i said, i don't understand why, but... | 21:49 |
| ochosi | i was out working all day, who believes that? | 21:50 |
| * ochosi unpacks the elephant whip | 21:50 | |
| knome | working? what's that? | 21:50 |
| drc | o/ (can I have my cookie now?) | 21:50 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: http://askubuntu.com/questions/252056/should-i-use-tasksel-tasks-in-apt-or-install-regular-metapackages/257172#257172 ist goot. | 21:53 |
| ochosi | Unit193: feel free to borrow from it for your blog post ;) | 21:59 |
| Unit193 | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2015-April/001133.html | 22:26 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: I have found my blogging efforts are quite wasted, my sister is the blogger/writer and I am clearly bad at it. :P | 22:27 |
| elfy | just a thought, mostly pointless, given that no-on reads them but, in last week, status if image in topic might be a simple thing to do | 22:29 |
| Unit193 | Sounds a-ok to me. Right before 'daily testing'? What's the status? | 22:32 |
| drc | Would this be a binary "go/no-go" thing? | 22:32 |
| Unit193 | He could either mean that, or Status: testing Status: RC testing, etc. | 22:33 |
| elfy | no | 22:33 |
| elfy | I mean | 22:33 |
| drc | oh, right...this is elfy :) | 22:34 |
| elfy | Status: image - hardware - working, virtual - not working | 22:34 |
| elfy | if there WAS a difference | 22:34 |
| drc | So this is a burn/install/boot thing...it has to pass all three (not does it actually work well:) | 22:36 |
| elfy | drc: it seems that we have 6 possinble outcomes | 22:37 |
| elfy | boot and install properly or not - for hardware, vb and kvm : ) | 22:37 |
| elfy | generally it's go or fail and look at elfy's tracker responses | 22:38 |
| Unit193 | Short hand, presume OK unless stated, Status: VMs failing. ? | 22:39 |
| drc | That makes sense to me | 22:39 |
| elfy | Unit193: more or less | 22:40 |
| elfy | in truth we get pass or fail in VM | 22:40 |
| elfy | if we're going to push testers here - and we could, a topic yay or nay could be a good thing | 22:41 |
| elfy | knome ochosi bluesabre ^^ | 22:41 |
| elfy | I am polite ... should perhaps be release team decide that | 22:42 |
| bluesabre | omg I have internet again | 23:03 |
| bluesabre | hello all! | 23:03 |
| Unit193 | Yey! | 23:05 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: You can be lead dev again, I'm leaving. :D | 23:06 |
| bluesabre | woot | 23:06 |
| bluesabre | Seeya Unit193 | 23:06 |
| bluesabre | :p | 23:06 |
| ochosi | hey bluesabre | 23:13 |
| ochosi | and congrats on your internet | 23:13 |
| ochosi | and good night :) | 23:16 |
| elfy | bluesabre: welcome back :) | 23:17 |
| elfy | what did you break :| | 23:17 |
| elfy | :p | 23:18 |
| elfy | cyphermox: so in a less stressy environment, what am I doing wrong wiht a defalt kvm type setup, insists on owning image as root ] | 23:20 |
| elfy | did I break it somehow? | 23:21 |
| bluesabre | finally caught up | 23:23 |
| bluesabre | night ochosi | 23:23 |
| bluesabre | elfy: I wish I knew so I can break it less often | 23:23 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: since you're familiar with encryption on vivid, mine works, but takes ages to boot... any idea? | 23:23 |
| elfy | bluesabre: luv's ya :D | 23:24 |
| bluesabre | :D | 23:24 |
| elfy | so we are now atm back to where we were yesterday | 23:25 |
| bluesabre | is that to say the image is or is not working again? | 23:27 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Prompting for password and everything is good? Where does it take a while? Before of after pass? sudo systemd-analyze blame ? | 23:27 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: haven't checked, just plymouth spinning for a while | 23:27 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Drop splash, watch what's actually happening? So wait, plymouth's logo theme works to prompt for your password? | 23:28 |
| bluesabre | doesn't prompt, I just encrypted home | 23:29 |
| bluesabre | nothing obviously bad in analyze, other than NetworkManager and ModemManager taking their time | 23:30 |
| elfy | bluesabre: give me 5 and I'll know where we are witH basics | 23:32 |
| Unit193 | Oooh, not used encfs. | 23:32 |
| elfy | re encrypt installs - discussuin point for the next cycle imo | 23:33 |
| Unit193 | This is encrypted home, bit different. Don't remember what's used by default. >_> | 23:34 |
| Unit193 | I know it's supposed to be slower than FDE. | 23:34 |
| Unit193 | ecryptfs? | 23:36 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 23:36 |
| elfy | bluesabre cyphermox - ok, so with the 2150416.1image on hardware, boots and reboots with an image created with gnome-disks as UEFI and standard | 23:40 |
| elfy | vbox appears to give problems still | 23:41 |
| elfy | not sure about kvm | 23:41 |
| bluesabre | sounds like an improvement at least | 23:41 |
| elfy | first thing I will remove vb | 23:41 |
| elfy | try with the repo version | 23:41 |
| elfy | then kvm | 23:42 |
| elfy | etc | 23:42 |
| elfy | but it is close to 1am now and I have headache | 23:42 |
| bluesabre | go to bed elfy, :) | 23:43 |
| elfy | ... | 23:43 |
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