[06:26] <ochosi> morning all
[06:26] <elfy> morning ochosi 
[06:28] <ochosi> so the overall feedback (from what i've read on the interwebs) was fairly positive wrt our default app switch
[06:28] <ochosi> and lol, for some reason ppl also started to discuss our default music player
[06:29] <ochosi> and brace yourselves, those of you who always say there is nobody who actually likes gmusicbrowser, it comes out on top :)
[06:29] <ochosi> http://www.webupd8.org/2015/04/xubuntu-1510-to-drop-gimp-abiword-and.html
[06:31] <Unit193> Wow.
[06:31] <elfy> :)
[06:33] <Unit193> Wonder if GIMP actually does have "98%" of what Photoshop does.
[06:36] <Unit193> And yeah, looked like one or maybe two didn't like it, but that is a small selection of people.  G+ seems to do polls, does Twitter or FB?
[06:38] <ochosi> yeah, a few sad faces about gimp, but nothing dramatic and so far i haven't seen anybody who disagreed with dropping abiword+gnumeric
[06:39] <Unit193> Seemed like a couple, and some were more discontent with adding LO, and thought all office applications should be optional. :P
[06:42] <ochosi> we still have to discuss what of LO to include
[06:42] <ochosi> which likely means checking how big the parts of LO are
[06:42] <elfy> writer and calc I'd guess
[06:42] <ochosi> elfy: yeah, but maybe impress isn't heavy and if it isn't, it'd be a nice gain
[06:43] <elfy> I guess so - never use it 
[06:43] <ochosi> at least to me, that is the classical office trias
[06:43] <elfy> yep
[06:44] <elfy> and then which icon set for it too I guess
[06:49] <ochosi> oh right
[06:50] <Unit193> I'd tend to agree with elfy, but it's more what's going to get pulled in anyway. :P
[06:50] <elfy> we've got these guys on team who like to make things look nice
[06:50] <elfy> thankfully :D
[06:52] <Unit193> Recommends: libreoffice-avmedia-backend-gstreamer, and -writer does -math, so looks like the whole thing or nothing.
[06:54] <ochosi> elfy: :) yeah, there was a time when i considered making an icon theme for LO, but it's a ridiculous amount of icons...
[06:54] <elfy> he he he 
[06:55] <ochosi> Unit193: humm, any way round pulling all the crappy parts in?
[06:55] <Unit193> I'll leave that up to Sean.
[06:58] <Unit193> libreoffice-writer libreoffice-calc libreoffice-gtk: http://paste.openstack.org/show/204056/
[06:59] <Unit193> (Warning, not on xubuntu nor vivid. :P )
[07:01] <ochosi> wowza, style-galaxy and style-human, as if one icon theme wasn't enough
[07:02] <Unit193> Suggests?   Ignore.
[07:05] <Unit193> Looks like galaxy can be avoided.
[07:26] <astraljava> So, due to recent changes in personal life, I'm looking into getting more active on FLOSS scene again. In case the team needs any assistance, I could rejoin the ranks. :)
[07:27] <elfy> test test test test test test test test test test test 
[07:28] <astraljava> Okay then. :)
[07:29] <astraljava> I'll get familiar with the release schedule, and plan a personal timetable.
[07:31] <elfy> astraljava: basically - release candidate is due out tomorrow - then release next Thursday 
[07:31] <elfy> don't worry about packages, but any image testing you can do will be gratefully received :)
[07:32] <astraljava> Alright cool! Will be busy with work most of the day, but I'd imagine I can get to it at around 2000 UTC or something.
[07:32] <astraljava> I suppose there's still a testdrive utility or something? I do not have hardware I could test on ATM.
[07:33] <astraljava> Yes, I see there is. :)
[07:33] <elfy> astraljava: just grab vbox - not sure what state testdrive is in tbh
[07:34] <astraljava> Ahh... ok, will do.
[07:34] <astraljava> I'll look for the team's test pages later. Thanks!
[07:39] <elfy> thanks :)
[07:39] <elfy> bbl
[07:40] <ochosi> astraljava: great, wb! :)
[07:40] <ochosi> if you wanna get into development again too, always feel free to get in touch
[07:41] <astraljava> Cheers. :) I most certainly will.
[07:42] <astraljava> I'm planning to find professional positions outside of hands-on development (after this current project, that is), so I'll hunger for messing with source again. :)
[07:49] <ochosi> sounds great!
[07:49] <ochosi> there's always lots and lots to do
[07:49] <ochosi> mostly trying to support xfce with the gtk3 transition
[07:49]  * Unit193 sighs.
[07:49]  * Unit193 dons a cheerleader outfit.
[07:57] <astraljava> ochosi: Ok cool, if you have more detailed plans somewhere, please elaborate.
[07:57] <astraljava> Hey Unit193!
[07:57] <Unit193> Howdy, astraljava.
[07:58] <ochosi> astraljava: well there's a roadmap for xfce 4.14, you can start by reading through that: https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.14/roadmap
[07:59] <astraljava> ochosi: Aye, cap'n!
[10:42] <elfy> astraljava: basically - release candidate is due out tomorrow - then release next Thursday      
[11:16] <astraljava> elfy: Right, so you're saying there's not much point in testing today?
[11:20] <ochosi> Unit193: just FYI, xubuntu-core has a few fans on g+. are you planning to write up some blog post about that?
[12:39] <elfy> astraljava: not hugely today no
[13:38] <astraljava> elfy: Alrighty then, I'll reserve that energy for tomorrow. :)
[14:53] <elfy> astraljava: I will mail the list again once I see things that can be worked on 
[14:53] <elfy> more than once ;)
[15:24] <elfy> annnnd ... images had it again :|
[15:35] <elfy> so have we done anything that would have the xfce background behind the try/install dialogue? 
[15:35] <elfy> bug 1259525 again
[15:36] <elfy> http://i.imgur.com/guVSpEH.png - vbox with dialogue shoved over
[15:36] <elfy> http://i.imgur.com/F2UKnm5.png
[15:36] <elfy> kvm
[15:38] <slickymasterWork> yeah, nasty
[15:55] <micahg> I'm not noticing any actual translations updates in xubuntu-default-settings, just some new files, so I'm thinking to just skip the upload
[15:55] <elfy> micahg: we have worse issues right now 
[15:55] <micahg> ah :(
[15:56] <micahg> well, if they still exist in about 6-7 hours, I can try to help fix
[15:56] <elfy> rather than me rehash - logs should be up in irclogs shortly 
[15:56] <micahg> ok
[15:57] <elfy> seems though to be bug 1259525 reappearing
[16:02] <slickymasterWork> micahg, I think the last transations in x-d-s were in hu.po
[16:02] <slickymasterWork> * translations
[16:02] <micahg> ok, I didn't see any actual translations though, just new files
[16:04] <micahg> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10833798/
[16:05] <slickymasterWork> that seems correct micahg 
[16:06] <micahg> as in I don't need to upload?
[16:07] <slickymasterWork> I don't know when it was last uploaded, but the timestamps on the po files are correct
[16:08] <slickymasterWork> I think bluesabre upload it, but don't recall now when he did it
[16:21] <micahg> ok, I'll be back around 23:00 UTC, if that bug still exists, I can dig then
[16:24] <elfy> micahg: has anyone done anything to the image since yesterday's build? 
[16:27] <micahg> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/203384379/ubiquity_2.21.20_2.21.21.diff.gz ?
[16:27] <elfy> orite - so nothing that's x-d-s then 
[16:27] <micahg> sorry, have to run
[16:27] <elfy> yep - cya 
[19:11] <Unit193> ochosi: Nice, and nah it was released last cycle.
[19:38] <dkessel> hmm did i miss something? it looks like the german translation of the desktop guide is not included in the package anymore on vivid?
[19:40] <Unit193> For some reason, they aren't.  They've been translated enough though.
[19:42] <Unit193> POT is up to date.
[19:44] <dkessel> strange
[20:22] <Unit193> ochosi: Also don't see it. :D
[20:40] <knome> elfy, anything you'd like to work on with me tonight?
[20:41] <elfy> knome: nope - unless you know what broke images :)
[20:42] <knome> well unless the images were that thing that made a crackling noise when i sat on the sofa... nope
[20:42] <knome> i'll plan some gaming for me then ;)
[20:42] <elfy> was just a reallyu slight hope that some little thing broek the world :D
[20:42] <knome> who knows... it might be
[21:26] <Unit193> brainwash: BTW, have any issues with freshplayer?  Wasn't working in FF, but did work in xombrero where it didn't used to. :P
[21:28] <brainwash> Unit193: I don't use it. some user emailed me and thanked me for my ppa, so I just keep updating it
[21:28] <Unit193> Sure, I poke it every few months.
[21:32] <brainwash> Unit193: fedora (xfce) has xfdashboard, any plans for xubuntu?
[21:33] <Unit193> brainwash: I've noticed, is it shipped by default now though?  And, I'm hoping for repos for Wombat, and don't know/care too much if it's shipped by default though.
[21:33] <Unit193> We've got it cooking in extras, and seems to be fairly well liked.
[21:35] <brainwash> maybe not really needed by default
[21:36] <ochosi> Unit193: you don't see what?
[21:36] <Unit193> ochosi: Looked at the G+ community and +xubuntu, didn't see comments about core. :P
[21:37] <ochosi> oh, well, they're hidden in some comments to a webupd8 posting i think
[21:37] <Unit193> Mmm, I see.
[21:37] <ochosi> i only noticed that ppl are not aware of -core
[21:37] <ochosi> and felt we might start to advertise or publicise that a bit now
[21:39] <Unit193> I could say it 100 times, but people still won't get tasks vs metas.
[21:39] <Unit193> Helped someone just this week about that, btw. \o/
[21:40] <ochosi> yeah, well maybe a blog post explaining the procedure might help?
[21:41]  * Unit193 winces.
[21:41] <ochosi> writing things down once instead of having to explain them over and over...
[21:46] <elfy> ochosi: I would blame YOU in this channel :D
[21:46] <ochosi> oh ok, that's comforting to know :]
[21:46] <elfy> lol
[21:48] <knome> some people seems to think we're keeping gnumeric
[21:49] <knome> i don't understand how you can misinterpret the mail, but...
[21:49] <ochosi> weird, i thought i was pretty explicit
[21:49] <elfy> cos people read what they want
[21:49] <ochosi> "So all in all this means that 15.10 will be shipped without Gimp, Abiword and Gnumeric but instead (parts of) the LibreOffice Suite."
[21:49] <knome> ochosi, as i said, i don't understand why, but...
[21:50] <ochosi> i was out working all day, who believes that?
[21:50]  * ochosi unpacks the elephant whip
[21:50] <knome> working? what's that?
[21:50] <drc> o/  (can I have my cookie now?)
[21:53] <Unit193> ochosi: http://askubuntu.com/questions/252056/should-i-use-tasksel-tasks-in-apt-or-install-regular-metapackages/257172#257172 ist goot.
[21:59] <ochosi> Unit193: feel free to borrow from it for your blog post ;)
[22:26] <Unit193> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2015-April/001133.html
[22:27] <Unit193> ochosi: I have found my blogging efforts are quite wasted, my sister is the blogger/writer and I am clearly bad at it. :P
[22:29] <elfy> just a thought, mostly pointless, given that no-on reads them but, in last week, status if image in topic might be a simple thing to do
[22:32] <Unit193> Sounds a-ok to me.  Right before 'daily testing'?  What's the status?
[22:32] <drc> Would this be a binary "go/no-go" thing?
[22:33] <Unit193> He could either mean that, or Status: testing  Status: RC testing, etc.
[22:33] <elfy> no
[22:33] <elfy> I mean
[22:34] <drc> oh, right...this is elfy :)
[22:34] <elfy> Status: image - hardware - working, virtual - not working
[22:34] <elfy> if there WAS a difference
[22:36] <drc> So this is a burn/install/boot thing...it has to pass all three (not does it actually work well:)
[22:37] <elfy> drc: it seems that we have 6 possinble outcomes
[22:37] <elfy> boot and install properly or not - for hardware, vb and kvm : )
[22:38] <elfy> generally it's go or fail and look at elfy's tracker responses
[22:39] <Unit193> Short hand, presume OK unless stated, Status: VMs failing.  ?
[22:39] <drc> That makes sense to me
[22:40] <elfy> Unit193: more or less
[22:40] <elfy> in truth we get pass or fail in VM 
[22:41] <elfy> if we're going to push testers here - and we could, a topic yay or nay could be a good thing
[22:41] <elfy> knome ochosi bluesabre ^^
[22:42] <elfy> I am polite ... should perhaps be release team decide that 
[23:03] <bluesabre> omg I have internet again
[23:03] <bluesabre> hello all!
[23:05] <Unit193> Yey!
[23:06] <Unit193> bluesabre: You can be lead dev again, I'm leaving. :D
[23:06] <bluesabre> woot
[23:06] <bluesabre> Seeya Unit193
[23:06] <bluesabre> :p
[23:13] <ochosi> hey bluesabre 
[23:13] <ochosi> and congrats on your internet
[23:16] <ochosi> and good night :)
[23:17] <elfy> bluesabre: welcome back :)
[23:17] <elfy> what did you break :|
[23:18] <elfy> :p
[23:20] <elfy> cyphermox: so in a less stressy environment, what am I doing wrong wiht a defalt kvm type setup, insists on owning image as root ]
[23:21] <elfy> did I break it somehow?
[23:23] <bluesabre> finally caught up
[23:23] <bluesabre> night ochosi
[23:23] <bluesabre> elfy: I wish I knew so I can break it less often
[23:23] <bluesabre> Unit193: since you're familiar with encryption on vivid, mine works, but takes ages to boot... any idea?
[23:24] <elfy> bluesabre: luv's ya :D
[23:24] <bluesabre> :D
[23:25] <elfy> so we are now atm back to where we were yesterday
[23:27] <bluesabre> is that to say the image is or is not working again?
[23:27] <Unit193> bluesabre: Prompting for password and everything is good?  Where does it take a while?  Before of after pass?  sudo systemd-analyze blame ?
[23:27] <bluesabre> Unit193: haven't checked, just plymouth spinning for a while
[23:28] <Unit193> bluesabre: Drop splash, watch what's actually happening?  So wait, plymouth's logo theme works to prompt for your password?
[23:29] <bluesabre> doesn't prompt, I just encrypted home
[23:30] <bluesabre> nothing obviously bad in analyze, other than NetworkManager and ModemManager taking their time
[23:32] <elfy> bluesabre: give me 5 and I'll know where we are witH  basics
[23:32] <Unit193> Oooh, not used encfs.
[23:33] <elfy> re encrypt installs  - discussuin point for the next cycle imo 
[23:34] <Unit193> This is encrypted home, bit different.  Don't remember what's used by default. >_>
[23:34] <Unit193> I know it's supposed to be slower than FDE.
[23:36] <Unit193> ecryptfs?
[23:36] <bluesabre> yeah
[23:40] <elfy> bluesabre cyphermox - ok, so with the 2150416.1image on hardware, boots and reboots with an image created with gnome-disks as UEFI and standard
[23:41] <elfy> vbox appears to give problems still 
[23:41] <elfy> not sure about kvm
[23:41] <bluesabre> sounds like an improvement at least
[23:41] <elfy> first thing I will remove vb 
[23:41] <elfy> try with the repo version
[23:42] <elfy> then kvm
[23:42] <elfy> etc
[23:42] <elfy> but it is close to 1am now and I have headache 
[23:43] <bluesabre> go to bed elfy, :)
[23:43] <elfy> ...