[06:26] morning all [06:26] morning ochosi [06:28] so the overall feedback (from what i've read on the interwebs) was fairly positive wrt our default app switch [06:28] and lol, for some reason ppl also started to discuss our default music player [06:29] and brace yourselves, those of you who always say there is nobody who actually likes gmusicbrowser, it comes out on top :) [06:29] http://www.webupd8.org/2015/04/xubuntu-1510-to-drop-gimp-abiword-and.html [06:31] Wow. [06:31] :) [06:33] Wonder if GIMP actually does have "98%" of what Photoshop does. [06:36] And yeah, looked like one or maybe two didn't like it, but that is a small selection of people. G+ seems to do polls, does Twitter or FB? [06:38] yeah, a few sad faces about gimp, but nothing dramatic and so far i haven't seen anybody who disagreed with dropping abiword+gnumeric [06:39] Seemed like a couple, and some were more discontent with adding LO, and thought all office applications should be optional. :P [06:42] we still have to discuss what of LO to include [06:42] which likely means checking how big the parts of LO are [06:42] writer and calc I'd guess [06:42] elfy: yeah, but maybe impress isn't heavy and if it isn't, it'd be a nice gain [06:43] I guess so - never use it [06:43] at least to me, that is the classical office trias [06:43] yep [06:44] and then which icon set for it too I guess [06:49] oh right [06:50] I'd tend to agree with elfy, but it's more what's going to get pulled in anyway. :P [06:50] we've got these guys on team who like to make things look nice [06:50] thankfully :D [06:52] Recommends: libreoffice-avmedia-backend-gstreamer, and -writer does -math, so looks like the whole thing or nothing. [06:54] elfy: :) yeah, there was a time when i considered making an icon theme for LO, but it's a ridiculous amount of icons... [06:54] he he he [06:55] Unit193: humm, any way round pulling all the crappy parts in? [06:55] I'll leave that up to Sean. [06:58] libreoffice-writer libreoffice-calc libreoffice-gtk: http://paste.openstack.org/show/204056/ [06:59] (Warning, not on xubuntu nor vivid. :P ) [07:01] wowza, style-galaxy and style-human, as if one icon theme wasn't enough [07:02] Suggests? Ignore. [07:05] Looks like galaxy can be avoided. [07:26] So, due to recent changes in personal life, I'm looking into getting more active on FLOSS scene again. In case the team needs any assistance, I could rejoin the ranks. :) [07:27] test test test test test test test test test test test [07:28] Okay then. :) [07:29] I'll get familiar with the release schedule, and plan a personal timetable. [07:31] astraljava: basically - release candidate is due out tomorrow - then release next Thursday [07:31] don't worry about packages, but any image testing you can do will be gratefully received :) [07:32] Alright cool! Will be busy with work most of the day, but I'd imagine I can get to it at around 2000 UTC or something. [07:32] I suppose there's still a testdrive utility or something? I do not have hardware I could test on ATM. [07:33] Yes, I see there is. :) [07:33] astraljava: just grab vbox - not sure what state testdrive is in tbh [07:34] Ahh... ok, will do. [07:34] I'll look for the team's test pages later. Thanks! [07:39] thanks :) [07:39] bbl [07:40] astraljava: great, wb! :) [07:40] if you wanna get into development again too, always feel free to get in touch [07:41] Cheers. :) I most certainly will. [07:42] I'm planning to find professional positions outside of hands-on development (after this current project, that is), so I'll hunger for messing with source again. :) [07:49] sounds great! [07:49] there's always lots and lots to do [07:49] mostly trying to support xfce with the gtk3 transition [07:49] * Unit193 sighs. [07:49] * Unit193 dons a cheerleader outfit. [07:57] ochosi: Ok cool, if you have more detailed plans somewhere, please elaborate. [07:57] Hey Unit193! [07:57] Howdy, astraljava. [07:58] astraljava: well there's a roadmap for xfce 4.14, you can start by reading through that: https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.14/roadmap [07:59] ochosi: Aye, cap'n! [10:42] astraljava: basically - release candidate is due out tomorrow - then release next Thursday [11:16] elfy: Right, so you're saying there's not much point in testing today? [11:20] Unit193: just FYI, xubuntu-core has a few fans on g+. are you planning to write up some blog post about that? [12:39] astraljava: not hugely today no [13:38] elfy: Alrighty then, I'll reserve that energy for tomorrow. :) [14:53] astraljava: I will mail the list again once I see things that can be worked on [14:53] more than once ;) [15:24] annnnd ... images had it again :| [15:35] so have we done anything that would have the xfce background behind the try/install dialogue? [15:35] bug 1259525 again [15:35] bug 1259525 in Xubuntu Default Settings "Lubuntu & Xubuntu & Ubuntu Kylin lightdm session fails to start. user-session is not set" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1259525 [15:36] http://i.imgur.com/guVSpEH.png - vbox with dialogue shoved over [15:36] http://i.imgur.com/F2UKnm5.png [15:36] kvm [15:38] yeah, nasty [15:55] I'm not noticing any actual translations updates in xubuntu-default-settings, just some new files, so I'm thinking to just skip the upload [15:55] micahg: we have worse issues right now [15:55] ah :( [15:56] well, if they still exist in about 6-7 hours, I can try to help fix [15:56] rather than me rehash - logs should be up in irclogs shortly [15:56] ok [15:57] seems though to be bug 1259525 reappearing [15:57] bug 1259525 in Xubuntu Default Settings "Lubuntu & Xubuntu & Ubuntu Kylin lightdm session fails to start. user-session is not set" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1259525 [16:02] micahg, I think the last transations in x-d-s were in hu.po [16:02] * translations [16:02] ok, I didn't see any actual translations though, just new files [16:04] http://paste.ubuntu.com/10833798/ [16:05] that seems correct micahg [16:06] as in I don't need to upload? [16:07] I don't know when it was last uploaded, but the timestamps on the po files are correct [16:08] I think bluesabre upload it, but don't recall now when he did it [16:21] ok, I'll be back around 23:00 UTC, if that bug still exists, I can dig then [16:24] micahg: has anyone done anything to the image since yesterday's build? [16:27] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/203384379/ubiquity_2.21.20_2.21.21.diff.gz ? [16:27] orite - so nothing that's x-d-s then [16:27] sorry, have to run [16:27] yep - cya [19:11] ochosi: Nice, and nah it was released last cycle. [19:38] hmm did i miss something? it looks like the german translation of the desktop guide is not included in the package anymore on vivid? [19:40] For some reason, they aren't. They've been translated enough though. [19:42] POT is up to date. [19:44] strange [20:22] ochosi: Also don't see it. :D [20:40] elfy, anything you'd like to work on with me tonight? [20:41] knome: nope - unless you know what broke images :) [20:42] well unless the images were that thing that made a crackling noise when i sat on the sofa... nope [20:42] i'll plan some gaming for me then ;) [20:42] was just a reallyu slight hope that some little thing broek the world :D [20:42] who knows... it might be [21:26] brainwash: BTW, have any issues with freshplayer? Wasn't working in FF, but did work in xombrero where it didn't used to. :P [21:28] Unit193: I don't use it. some user emailed me and thanked me for my ppa, so I just keep updating it [21:28] Sure, I poke it every few months. [21:32] Unit193: fedora (xfce) has xfdashboard, any plans for xubuntu? [21:33] brainwash: I've noticed, is it shipped by default now though? And, I'm hoping for repos for Wombat, and don't know/care too much if it's shipped by default though. [21:33] We've got it cooking in extras, and seems to be fairly well liked. [21:35] maybe not really needed by default [21:36] Unit193: you don't see what? [21:36] ochosi: Looked at the G+ community and +xubuntu, didn't see comments about core. :P [21:37] oh, well, they're hidden in some comments to a webupd8 posting i think [21:37] Mmm, I see. [21:37] i only noticed that ppl are not aware of -core [21:37] and felt we might start to advertise or publicise that a bit now [21:39] I could say it 100 times, but people still won't get tasks vs metas. [21:39] Helped someone just this week about that, btw. \o/ [21:40] yeah, well maybe a blog post explaining the procedure might help? [21:41] * Unit193 winces. [21:41] writing things down once instead of having to explain them over and over... [21:46] ochosi: I would blame YOU in this channel :D [21:46] oh ok, that's comforting to know :] [21:46] lol [21:48] some people seems to think we're keeping gnumeric [21:49] i don't understand how you can misinterpret the mail, but... [21:49] weird, i thought i was pretty explicit [21:49] cos people read what they want [21:49] "So all in all this means that 15.10 will be shipped without Gimp, Abiword and Gnumeric but instead (parts of) the LibreOffice Suite." [21:49] ochosi, as i said, i don't understand why, but... [21:50] i was out working all day, who believes that? [21:50] * ochosi unpacks the elephant whip [21:50] working? what's that? [21:50] o/ (can I have my cookie now?) [21:53] ochosi: http://askubuntu.com/questions/252056/should-i-use-tasksel-tasks-in-apt-or-install-regular-metapackages/257172#257172 ist goot. [21:59] Unit193: feel free to borrow from it for your blog post ;) [22:26] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2015-April/001133.html [22:27] ochosi: I have found my blogging efforts are quite wasted, my sister is the blogger/writer and I am clearly bad at it. :P [22:29] just a thought, mostly pointless, given that no-on reads them but, in last week, status if image in topic might be a simple thing to do [22:32] Sounds a-ok to me. Right before 'daily testing'? What's the status? [22:32] Would this be a binary "go/no-go" thing? [22:33] He could either mean that, or Status: testing Status: RC testing, etc. [22:33] no [22:33] I mean [22:34] oh, right...this is elfy :) [22:34] Status: image - hardware - working, virtual - not working [22:34] if there WAS a difference [22:36] So this is a burn/install/boot thing...it has to pass all three (not does it actually work well:) [22:37] drc: it seems that we have 6 possinble outcomes [22:37] boot and install properly or not - for hardware, vb and kvm : ) [22:38] generally it's go or fail and look at elfy's tracker responses [22:39] Short hand, presume OK unless stated, Status: VMs failing. ? [22:39] That makes sense to me [22:40] Unit193: more or less [22:40] in truth we get pass or fail in VM [22:41] if we're going to push testers here - and we could, a topic yay or nay could be a good thing [22:41] knome ochosi bluesabre ^^ [22:42] I am polite ... should perhaps be release team decide that [23:03] omg I have internet again [23:03] hello all! [23:05] Yey! [23:06] bluesabre: You can be lead dev again, I'm leaving. :D [23:06] woot [23:06] Seeya Unit193 [23:06] :p [23:13] hey bluesabre [23:13] and congrats on your internet [23:16] and good night :) [23:17] bluesabre: welcome back :) [23:17] what did you break :| [23:18] :p [23:20] cyphermox: so in a less stressy environment, what am I doing wrong wiht a defalt kvm type setup, insists on owning image as root ] [23:21] did I break it somehow? [23:23] finally caught up [23:23] night ochosi [23:23] elfy: I wish I knew so I can break it less often [23:23] Unit193: since you're familiar with encryption on vivid, mine works, but takes ages to boot... any idea? [23:24] bluesabre: luv's ya :D [23:24] :D [23:25] so we are now atm back to where we were yesterday [23:27] is that to say the image is or is not working again? [23:27] bluesabre: Prompting for password and everything is good? Where does it take a while? Before of after pass? sudo systemd-analyze blame ? [23:27] Unit193: haven't checked, just plymouth spinning for a while [23:28] bluesabre: Drop splash, watch what's actually happening? So wait, plymouth's logo theme works to prompt for your password? [23:29] doesn't prompt, I just encrypted home [23:30] nothing obviously bad in analyze, other than NetworkManager and ModemManager taking their time [23:32] bluesabre: give me 5 and I'll know where we are witH basics [23:32] Oooh, not used encfs. [23:33] re encrypt installs - discussuin point for the next cycle imo [23:34] This is encrypted home, bit different. Don't remember what's used by default. >_> [23:34] I know it's supposed to be slower than FDE. [23:36] ecryptfs? [23:36] yeah [23:40] bluesabre cyphermox - ok, so with the 2150416.1image on hardware, boots and reboots with an image created with gnome-disks as UEFI and standard [23:41] vbox appears to give problems still [23:41] not sure about kvm [23:41] sounds like an improvement at least [23:41] first thing I will remove vb [23:41] try with the repo version [23:42] then kvm [23:42] etc [23:42] but it is close to 1am now and I have headache [23:43] go to bed elfy, :) [23:43] ...