[05:49] <didrocks> good morning
[06:53] <willcooke> o/
[06:53] <seb128> hey willcooke
[06:55] <didrocks> good morning willcooke
[08:05] <Laney> OHO
[08:07] <didrocks> santa claus!
[08:07] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:07] <seb128> oh, he got presents for us?!
[08:07]  * didrocks hopes so
[08:08] <Laney> coal for didrocks
[08:08]  * Laney switch back to upstart last night ;-)
[08:08] <didrocks> but I've been so kind!
[08:08] <didrocks> life is unfair
[08:28] <larsu> morning!
[08:40] <seb128> hey larsu
[09:10] <willcooke> is anyone using plain X chat 2.8.8?
[09:11] <seb128> willcooke, no, xchat-gnome here
[09:11] <seb128> why?
[09:11] <willcooke> There's a really weird thing going on with the topic field
[09:11] <willcooke> If I drag a window over the top of it
[09:11] <willcooke> I can see through the window's title bar and read the text underneath
[09:12] <willcooke> but only on the topic field
[09:12] <willcooke> ?!?!?!
[09:12] <willcooke> oh, and the channel list
[09:12] <willcooke> doesn't matter, just strange is all
[09:13] <seb128> weird indeed
[09:13] <willcooke> errr
[09:13] <willcooke> it gets more strange...
[09:13] <willcooke> it only happens on my laptop screen, not on my external monitor
[09:13] <larsu> use xchat-gnome? :P
[09:13] <willcooke> :)
[09:13] <davmor2> use irssi
[09:14] <larsu> weechat!
[09:15] <willcooke> You guys and your crackpot IRC clients
[09:15] <davmor2> smuxi
[09:15] <davmor2> willcooke: I'm using xchat
[09:15] <davmor2> I just don't have multimonitors
[09:15] <willcooke> ba
[09:16] <Laney> ba black sheep
[09:16] <davmor2> have you any wool
[09:16] <Laney> lots actually
[09:18] <darkxst> willcooke, nope, fine here, but GNOME, so different compositor
[09:20] <willcooke> thx darkxst, I'll show bregma next week if I can reproduce it
[09:22] <davmor2> willcooke: what are you testing xchat on?  If it is unity 7 on vivid then I might be able to get an hdmi lead and chuck it into this monitor from my laptop
[09:22] <willcooke> davmor2, don't worry about it - it's not worth spending time on
[10:02]  * Laney has added some topics to 'Agenda' on the sprint spreadsheet
[10:07] <willcooke> thx Laney
[10:20] <Laney> I wonder if I have one of those apple vga dongle thingies
[10:20] <Laney> would be useful to project ting
[10:28] <Laney> actually found one, still in its packet
[10:51]  * willcooke -> haircut
[10:52] <darkxst> Laney, if you need apples, have a big tree of them ;)
[10:53] <darkxst> well atleast the ones that are left after the european wasp invasion
[10:54] <Laney> those mean wasps
[10:55] <darkxst> yeh! I was quite surpised they can eat an entire apple (Except the skin) in 1 day
[10:56] <darkxst> multi-threaded of course as well, so many apples per day
[11:21]  * willcooke <- haircut
[11:23] <davmor2> willcooke and a haircut doesn't sound right......No I'm sure it's Shave and a Haircut 2 bits :D
[11:23] <willcooke> Nooooooo
[11:23]  * didrocks will be in no haircut mode for once
[11:23] <didrocks> brace yourself!
[11:25] <davmor2> didrocks: if your hair isn't cut surely the hair will brace people against the wall and they won't need to brace themselves ;)
[11:25] <willcooke> http://www.independent.co.uk/migration_catalog/article5199891.ece/alternates/w620/Old%20English%20Sheepdog%20.jpeg
[11:25] <didrocks> davmor2: ahah
[11:26] <didrocks> willcooke: I should have bet as I was 90% sure it was this kind of dog before opening the image…
[11:26] <willcooke> :D:D
[11:26] <willcooke> excellent
[11:26] <didrocks> it's not *that* bad
[12:46] <davmor2> hey desktop guys there seems to be some real issue in oem mode on desktop.  There is no prepare for end user script that I can find, after cd eject enter key does nothing, there is no sound in the ubiquity installer part, there is no listing for my AP in nm but it was discovered no issues in the installer, volume is on in desktop for oem
[12:46] <davmor2> the list goes on
[12:51] <didrocks> davmor2: are you sure most of them are specific to oem mode?
[12:51] <didrocks> davmor2: the cd eject enter key is something that cyphermox was looking at (related to systemd)
[12:52] <davmor2> didrocks: the missing prepare for end user is definitely oem
[12:52] <didrocks> I guess the ubiquity/nm issues should be directed to the foundation team
[12:52] <didrocks> only the user prepare one seems oemish
[12:53] <didrocks> (and that's foundation team as well)
[12:53] <davmor2> didrocks: I don't want to restart till I get some feedback for logs and stuff though  I'm assuming most of the issues priory to oem desktop are general issues
[12:53] <didrocks> davmor2: basically all installer issues is for cyphermox (lucky him) :p
[12:53] <davmor2> didrocks: I know right :)  He gets all the bestest things
[12:54] <didrocks> heh
[12:54] <didrocks> but yeah, I guess the other are impacting normal images as well (some are known and being worked on)
[13:29] <didrocks> ogra_: stupid question, but by reading the snappy ML, I found your message on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/snappy-devel/2015-February/000281.html
[13:29] <didrocks> ogra_: seems your sudo question is now fixed, right? (as there is a needs-root or whatever yaml content)
[13:29] <didrocks> however, I was wondering what is the node-snapper?
[13:30] <ogra_> didrocks, might be, i had to move back to phone stuff and havent touched snappy in a while ...
[13:30] <ogra_> i know there is a bug for the sudo case though
[13:31] <didrocks> ogra_: and this node-snapper? was it just a package you started to look at and transform it for vim? or another magical tools I didn't find doc on yet? :p
[13:31] <ogra_> node-snapper is a tool to provide you an arch specific tarball (or two) with a nodejs interpreter and all needed nodejs modules to put in a snap package
[13:31] <didrocks> interesting (not sure why you needed that for vim though?)
[13:31] <ogra_> https://ograblog.wordpress.com/2015/02/21/meet-node-snapper-a-helper-to-easily-create-snap-packages-of-your-node-js-projects/
[13:32] <ogra_> well, you can easily hack it to pull any other binary package into such a tarball :)
[13:32] <didrocks> ah ok, you just switch nodejs to vim
[13:32] <ogra_> and drop the npm logic ...
[13:33] <ogra_> (since vim doesnt need nodejs modules most of the time :) )
[13:33] <didrocks> ogra_: you always need npm though! :p
[13:33] <didrocks> ogra_: thanks for the answers ;)
[13:33] <ogra_> happy to help ...
[13:34] <ogra_> btw, i think mterrys new tool is better for general deb conversion to snap ... node-snapper is pretty specific for the nodejs case
[13:35] <didrocks> ogra_: yeah, I'm reading that as well to get a sense of state of the art and see how we can help (but without participating to initial conversations, hard to cachup)
[13:35] <didrocks> catchup*
[13:35] <ogra_> there is no "initial conversation"
[13:36] <ogra_> there is just  "we all scratch our itches" currently
[13:36] <didrocks> ogra_: well, quite a lot of tools and messages on the ML, so interesting to see where this is going and how we can see the bigger picture
[13:36] <didrocks> aka "avoid having to run xorg in a priviledge snap"
[13:36] <ogra_> right, i just mean we will probably see ten more such implementations until something official comes around
[13:37] <didrocks> yep
[13:37] <ogra_> we neeed some generic way though ... everyone knows that i think
[13:37] <didrocks> interesting thing about the LD_PRELOAD story btw…
[13:37] <didrocks> I was really against before the issues with LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[13:38] <ogra_> LD_LIBRARY_PATH works fine for less complex stuff (like node snapper)
[13:38] <ogra_> i wouldnt want to roll a unity8 snap with Mir inside using that though :)
[13:38] <didrocks> everything that doesn't use RPATH…
[13:38] <didrocks> heh
[13:38] <didrocks> yeah
[13:39] <ogra_> (which is essentially what mterry tires to do there)
[13:39] <didrocks> yep, for a couple of months already
[13:41] <didrocks> ogra_: ok, I just saw libsnappypreload's code
[13:41] <didrocks> it's… interesting :p
[14:19] <seb128> kenvandine, touch channel is a bit crazy, moving here
[14:19] <kenvandine> seb128, :)
[14:19] <seb128> kenvandine, yeah, I confirmed that the ListItem onClicked: doesn't trigger when we hit the issue
[14:20] <kenvandine> seb128, you mean confirmed outside of autopilot?
[14:20] <seb128> I added a code snippet the change the page title to "clicked" in the onClicked handler, doesn't change when I hit the bug
[14:20] <seb128> with autopilot
[14:20] <kenvandine> ok
[14:20] <seb128> I can't reproduce the issue with a manual tap
[14:20] <seb128> I do tap correctly :p
[14:20] <seb128> seems like autopilot sometime doesn't
[14:21] <kenvandine> grrr
[14:21] <seb128> indeed :-/
[14:21] <seb128> is there a way to dump events log?
[14:21] <seb128> to see if it triggers a dnd or something
[14:21] <kenvandine> seb128, can you ping the qa guys with what you've figured out?
[14:21] <kenvandine> not sure
[14:21] <seb128> kenvandine, who are the qa guys?
[14:21] <kenvandine> see if they have ideas why we don't always get onClicked
[14:21] <kenvandine> they have a vanguard in #ubuntu-quality
[14:22] <kenvandine> i think
[14:22] <kenvandine> someone that should be able to help with autopilot issues
[14:23] <kenvandine> seb128, so i bet missing that onClicked happens elsewhere too, which causes these flaky problems
[14:24] <seb128> kenvandine, ok, moving to the next channel :p
[14:26] <kenvandine> seb128, it was awesome that you figured that out!
[14:26] <seb128> kenvandine, :-)
[14:27] <kenvandine> i'm a bit distracted by another meeting right now though, but i'll try to follow along :)
[14:27] <seb128> kenvandine, do we have a bug about those issues?
[14:28] <kenvandine> not sure, we have in the past ;)
[14:28] <kenvandine> but flakyness comes and goes :/
[14:28] <kenvandine> and likely not the same issue
[14:28] <seb128> right
[14:28] <seb128> let's see, waiting for a reply but I'm going to open one in a bit
[15:10] <pitti> oh, I forgot to say good morning earlier, so:
[15:10] <pitti> good morning!
[15:16] <didrocks> good morning pitti :)
[15:20] <pitti> bonjour didrocks :)
[15:20] <larsu> hi pitti!
[15:20] <pitti> didrocks: c'est presque le fin de la semaine pour toi, non ? :-)
[15:20]  * pitti tips hat towards larsu
[15:21] <didrocks> pitti: presque, en effet ! et toi, tu as le temps pour une glace avant de venir à Londres ? :)
[15:22] <pitti> didrocks: je ne crois pas ça, je m'en vais à 15:30
[15:22] <didrocks> ah en effet, ce sera à l'arrivée alors :)
[15:23] <Laney> bonjour petit chat
[15:23] <pitti> didrocks: mais je peux manger de la glace à Londres !
[15:24] <didrocks> pitti: il fera beau en plus !
[15:24] <didrocks> Laney: a wise man said one day "nage, nage petit poisson"
[15:25] <Laney> the small animal zoo
[15:25] <seb128> hey pitti
[15:29] <cyphermox> hey pitti, how are you on this fine morning?
[16:59] <willcooke> quittin' time - see you guys next week \o/
[20:08] <willcooke> I'll just leave this here from mterry:  https://github.com/mikix/deb2snap
[20:08] <willcooke> seb128, when you're back ^^^^
[20:09] <willcooke> tata