[04:29] <lotuspsychje> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/04/16/phone-updates-april/?utm_source=ubunteu&utm_medium=url_shortner&utm_term=Alss9r&utm_campaign=shortner
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> To our fledgling phone developer community, for all your votive contributions and vocal participation, thank you! Let’s not be vaunty: we have a lot to do yet, but my oh my what we’ve made together feels fantastic. You are the vigorous vanguard, the verecund visionaries and our venerable mates in this adventure. Thank you again.
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1425
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> thats for you devs :p
[05:23] <PhilippeP> Morning, New day, New image
[07:47] <robin-hero> Hi All! If somebody interested: If you copy the ~.local/share/history-service/history.sqlite file to an other device, your call log and your SMS messages work well with the new device :)
[07:47] <Tm_T> hi, anyone know any working method on getting openvpn connection to ubuntu phone?
[07:49] <Tm_T> or where to begin digging to possibly find something that could be worked on to make it happen
[08:02] <PhilippeP> robin-hero: nice tip !
[08:03] <robin-hero> PhilippeP: Thanks, so now we can make backup from this things :)
[08:35] <mardy> Laney: hi! About bug 1432613, the account-plugin-windows-live was providing only that chat service
[08:35] <mardy> Laney: can I remove the package from debian/control altogether, or should I keep it (users will be able to create a useless account)?
[08:59] <Se7> morning
[09:03] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Bat Appreciation Day! :-D
[09:39]  * Se7 still waiting for  update :(
[09:41] <PhilippeP> update was waiting when I woke up this morning ...
[09:45] <nothingspecial> My bq is stuck in a bootloop, selecting fastboot starts the bootloop, a couple of days a go I did get it into fastboot mode but the recovery failed. Is there another way?
[09:45] <ogra_> Se7, i guess because you didnt sacrifice enough chicken to the god of random() :)
[09:46] <ogra_> nothingspecial, do you know what you did before that started ?
[09:47] <ogra_> (i.e. how did you trigger it)
[09:47] <nothingspecial> ogra_: Had it charging over night, woke up and the screen was unresponsive so held down power and volume up
[09:47] <nothingspecial> been looping ever since
[09:47] <ogra_> hmm, so you didnt nothin active that caused a reboot, like switching the language or so ?
[09:48] <nothingspecial> The only thing I've done which I shouldn't have is edit /etc/timezone but that was 3 or 4 weeks ago when I first got it
[09:48] <ogra_> aha
[09:48] <ogra_> so the device was writable ?
[09:48] <nothingspecial> no I think I switched it back
[09:48] <nothingspecial> but I can't say 100%
[09:48] <ogra_> any other manual modifications ?
[09:49] <nothingspecial> only bash_aliases for ssh
[09:49] <nothingspecial> nothing outside of ~
[09:49] <ogra_> well, thats in your homedir ... i meant the system :)
[09:50] <nothingspecial> yeah nothing else outside of home
[09:50] <ogra_> so we have heard of people havoin this issue after switching language .... i wonder if it is effectively the possible timezone switch that this might bring along
[09:51] <ogra_> nothingspecial, http://askubuntu.com/questions/602834/how-to-reset-bq-ubuntu-phone-when-gui-is-inaccessible
[09:51] <nothingspecial> maybe
[09:51] <ogra_> bug 1439864
[09:52] <brunch875> ogra_ does that factory reset work even if it was set to writable mode and fiddled with?
[09:52] <ogra_> brunch875, no guarantees
[09:52] <ogra_> factory reset will only reset the writable parts of the system
[09:53] <ogra_> if oyu modify the normally readonly parts it wont have any effect on that ... (that gets reverted with the next OTA though)
[09:53] <Se7> sorry ogra_ i was afk what it s random()
[09:53] <brunch875> so if it's properly broken, it would need a re-flash?
[09:53] <nothingspecial> ogra I can't get into that mode possibly because the phone will not switch off
[09:53] <ogra_> Se7, the algorithm that decides who gets the pahsed updates ;)
[09:53] <brunch875> nothingspecial: try holding all buttons down
[09:54] <brunch875> that worked for me when I couldn't remove the battery
[09:54] <Se7> ok thans
[09:54] <Se7> i am not good in maths :P
[09:54] <ogra_> nothingspecial, there is definitely a hardwired way to get out of that ... i think holding the power button for very lon
[09:54] <brunch875> even in fastboot mode
[09:54] <ogra_> g
[09:55] <nothingspecial> brunch875: ogra_ oh hang on it went into fastboot mode.....
[09:55] <ogra_> cool
[09:55] <brunch875> cheerio
[09:56] <ogra_> if the factory reset doesnt work, you should always be able to re-flash from a PC
[09:56] <nothingspecial> I'm doing that now
[09:56] <nothingspecial> Failed to Enter Recovery :|
[09:56] <ogra_> one sec
[09:57] <nothingspecial> trying again
[09:58] <ogra_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/602035/how-do-i-use-ubuntu-device-flash-with-the-bq-aquaris-e4-5
[09:58] <ogra_> you need the recovery.img linked from that article
[09:58] <nothingspecial> yeah, I'm doing that
[09:58] <ogra_> and you need to use --bootatrap
[09:58] <ogra_> *bootstrap
[09:58] <nothingspecial> I'ts downloading something but the bq is going into bootloop before it finishes
[09:59] <nothingspecial> yeah I'm using --bootstrap ad the recovery image
[09:59] <ogra_> well, it should be in fastboot mode when you do that ...
[10:00] <ogra_> then it will first load the supplied recovery.img and boot this
[10:00] <nothingspecial> it is and it says USB Transfering.... o the phone but then the bootloop starts again and the pc says Failed to enter recovery
[10:01] <ogra_> hmm, how empty/fuull is your battery ?
[10:01] <ogra_> sounds like a power issue ... it should definitely transfer all the files and reboot into the same recovery afterwards
[10:01] <nothingspecial> I have no idea lol
[10:01] <brunch875> haha
[10:01] <ogra_> if it dies before the copying happened that sounds like it dies from power loss
[10:02] <nothingspecial> it's been like this for 3 days now, but it has been plugged ito the pc for an hour while I try and sort this
[10:02] <ogra_> try charging it for a while ... on the actual charger, not on a PC
[10:02] <nothingspecial> ok
[10:02] <nothingspecial> that sounds reasonable. I'll give it a go. Thanks
[10:02] <ogra_> PC USB ports  only give 500mA ...
[10:02] <ogra_> iirc the power supply has 2A
[10:03] <ogra_> give it half an hour and then try again
[10:03] <brunch875> ogra_: Out of curiosity... I've heard that android 5 drivers stomp ubuntu. Does this reflash work after that, or should you install android 4 beforehand?
[10:03] <nothingspecial> will do thanks
[10:03] <ogra_> (and try to get it out of the reboot when it charges ;) )
[10:04] <nothingspecial> I'll leave it in fastboot mode
[10:04] <ogra_> good
[10:04] <ogra_> brunch875, on the ubuntu phone ?
[10:04] <brunch875> yeah
[10:04] <nothingspecial> thaks, I'll let you know how it goes
[10:04] <ogra_> not sure what happens if you install android on it ... we never tested that usecase :)
[10:05] <brunch875> I'm sure some people will eventually try and install android on it
[10:05] <ogra_> but since our default firmware comes from android 4.x you could indeed get probs if something writes the 5.0 driver firmware into some HW
[10:06] <ogra_> well, then they have to keep the pieces :)
[10:06] <brunch875> I don't suppose flashing ubuntu would refresh the drivers, would it?
[10:06] <ogra_> it will refresh the drivers ... but if something in android replaced the actual firmware in the HW you could be screwed
[10:07] <ogra_> we dont flash bootloader or modem firmware by default from ubuntu-device-flash
[10:07] <brunch875> scary!
[10:07] <ogra_> well, flashing android 4.x before going back to ubuntu would likely get you out of this
[10:07] <ogra_> but its a lot of extra work :)
[10:07] <brunch875> So it is possible to flash the bootloader?
[10:08] <ogra_> android does that
[10:08] <brunch875> I always wondered since I got my first android...
[10:08] <brunch875> since it's not as easy to break a desktop computer
[10:08] <ogra_> (only on open devices thouh ... )
[10:08] <brunch875> that would be like flashing the BIOS, wouldn't it be?
[10:08] <ogra_> devices with locked down bootloader will indeed not allow you to do that
[10:08] <ogra_> right
[10:09] <ogra_> well,fopr most phones a BIOS with a password set ... one that only the manufacturer knows
[10:09] <brunch875> It's the most sane choice, really. Some stuff should remain ROM
[10:10] <ogra_> and while the bq is completely open, you cant count on that fact for all ubuntu phones of the future ...
[10:10] <ogra_> it is always up to the manufacturer to decide how open he wants his system
[10:11] <brunch875> I would personally make  the most basic stuff like the bootloader hardwired
[10:11] <brunch875> so there would be no possible way to break it
[10:12] <ogra_> (i.e. meizu does not have a single open device on the market ... will be very interesting to see what their MX4 ubuntu offers )
[10:12] <brunch875> I can't count the amount of times I killed my computers to then resurrect them
[10:24] <nalum> hello all, can anyone tell me what the default password is to use the terminal and if it can be changed?
[10:24] <brunch875> the password is the same as the lock screen one
[10:25] <brunch875> if there's no lock screen, the password is the same as the LAST lock screen
[10:25] <brunch875> if there was never a lock screen... I have no idea :)
[10:27] <brunch875> Word of advice: change your password by changing the lock screen. If you have a numeric lock screen and use 'passwd' in a terminal to change it to contain something with not only numbers, you won't be able to get past the lock screen (since you can only input numbers and the new password contains letters too!)
[10:28] <brunch875> better yet, never use 'passwd' from the terminal to change the password. Use the lock screen settings!
[10:30] <nalum> Ah, cool thanks brunch875
[10:32] <rbasak> After the new OTA I'm not seeing any images in scopes. Just empty spaces. Anyone else seeing that?
[10:32] <brunch875> rbasak: No issues on mine!
[10:43] <ogra_> rbasak, is your netwrok working ?
[10:45] <rbasak> ogra_: yes
[10:46] <ogra_> rbasak, bug 1430828
[10:48] <rbasak> Thanks
[10:55] <tekojo> bzoltan_: ping
[10:58] <nalum> brunch875: seems like it doesn't have a password if you don't set an unlock code or passphrase
[10:59] <brunch875> Yes, that makes sense
[11:04] <nalum> Is it possible to get apt-get or aptitude working? I guess even if I did, it's not supposed to be used
[11:09] <nothingspecial> ogra_: I can't get it into fastboot mode again, now. Selectig it triggers the boot loop again
[11:10] <ogra_> are you sure you select it right ? that menu is strangelky wired up to the buttons (iirc vol down is "enter" or some such, there is description on the screen)
[11:10] <nothingspecial> yeah, tried it about 20 times now
[11:11] <brunch875> nalum, check this out: http://askubuntu.com/questions/380258/how-to-change-the-ubuntu-installation-to-read-write-mode-on-a-mobile-device
[11:11] <ogra_> nalum, yes, but not recommended ... you would need to make the system writable and OTA updates would revert what you installed ...
[11:12] <ogra_> john-mcaleely, any idea how to help nothingspecial ?
[11:12] <ogra_> john-mcaleely, he is in a boot loop and cant get out of it even via fastboot or recovery
[11:12] <john-mcaleely> ogra_, that's a new one
[11:12] <ogra_> yes
[11:13] <nothingspecial> choosing fastboot just starts the bootloop again
[11:13] <john-mcaleely> that might be a back to BQ problem
[11:13] <john-mcaleely> it is new
[11:14] <nothingspecial> yeah, that's going to take a while then
[11:35] <rbasak> ogra_: I think I figured out what's going on - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1430828/comments/29
[11:47] <ogra_> rbasak, ah, could be a messed up default route ... awe is currently looking into that (there are cases where your default route points to the wrong thing when switching networks)
[11:49] <rbasak> ogra_: my default route must have been fine, because everything else that needed connectivity worked - for example getting text in scopes.
[11:49] <ogra_> ah, right, you said so
[11:49] <rbasak> ogra_: I suspect the issue is that if connectivity is broken at boot, something in the image-loading pipeline gets wedged forever.
[11:50] <ogra_> yeah
[12:43] <nik90> ogra_: is the phasing update for ota-3 complete?
[12:44] <ogra_> nik90, not sure, you have to wait for sil2100
[12:45] <nik90> ok
[12:47] <popey> 24 hours iirc
[12:47] <popey> https://twitter.com/popey/status/588754242569011200 19 hours ago, so probably not.
[12:47] <nik90> popey: I asked since my BQ that I got today, received its last update in jan 2015 before it was packaged I guess
[12:48] <nik90> and doesnt have any other OTAs except for app updates
[12:48] <popey> what version is it running?
[12:48] <popey> oh, also, yay, you got a bq ! :D
[12:48] <nik90> popey: thnx :) .. it is running r16
[12:48] <popey> that doesn't sound right
[12:49] <juzzlin_> mine had also r16 when I got it and it updated to r20
[12:50] <nik90> hmm .. not sure why mine is stuck at r16..I restarted it just in case.
[12:50] <juzzlin_> it didn't go smoothly in my device either...the updater was buggy
[12:50] <popey> oh
[12:50] <popey> well you won't get the update because of phased updates
[12:50] <popey> thats a flaw
[12:50] <popey> it should take you to r20 if r21 is phased.
[12:50] <ogra_> juzzlin_, buggy in what way ?
[12:50] <popey> dunno how that bit of it works, maybe now everyone is phased now.
[12:51] <nik90> https://imgur.com/axlWsVZ
[12:51] <popey> seems flawed if it is
[12:51] <nik90> popey: should this be reported against ubuntu-system-settings ?
[12:51] <ogra_> well, it is some magic done by slangasek and sil2100 ... not sure how it exactly works
[12:51] <juzzlin_> ogra_, the updater seemed to be stuck when donwloading the image, but it still apparently downloaded it in the background etc
[12:51] <ogra_> juzzlin_, did you file a bug ?
[12:53] <juzzlin_> ogra_, no because wasn't sure what happened and I got the device updated after a reboot
[12:53] <juzzlin_> the updater has worked correctly in the r20
[12:53] <ogra_> ok
[12:54] <popey> nik90: what does "system-image-cli -n" say?
[12:54] <nik90> popey: it gives no output
[12:55] <john-mcaleely> popey, if the phone is fresh from the factory, 16 is right
[12:55] <john-mcaleely> nik90, ^
[12:55] <nik90> john-mcaleely: I agree..but just wondering why it didnt update to r20 (OTA-2) while I wait for OTA-3 through phased updates.
[12:55] <john-mcaleely> interesting. yes, good question
[12:56] <popey> yeah :)
[12:56] <ogra_> because it perhaps phases all aupdates now
[12:56] <ogra_> *all updates
[12:56] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/system-image/+filebug?no_redirect
[12:56] <popey> file there IMO
[12:56] <popey> according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers (wot I just edited)
[12:56]  * nik90 bookmarks that link
[13:00] <slangasek> ogra_: no, the phased percentage is applied to a specific image version on the channel (and by policy, should only be applied to the most recent version on the channel)
[13:00] <popey> so nik90 likely is experiencing a bug then.
[13:01] <ogra_> slangasek, ack, thanks !
[13:01] <ogra_> yeah, sounds like a bug
[13:01] <ogra_> nik90, do you see any system-image process in your processlist ?
[13:01] <slangasek> my recollection is that if the top image is phased, the user should still get the update to the previous version; but I'm not completely sure of that, would need to check this with barry
[13:01]  * ogra_ remembers cases where a hanging s-i prevented the update
[13:02] <popey> he's rebooted...
[13:02] <ogra_> oh
[13:03] <nik90> ogra_: nope I dont see any
[13:03] <ogra_> slangasek, do you know what our word on changelogs for OTAs is ? "weill come in future OTAs" ? (i know lukasz had issues assembling one for this one, but someone asked on the ML)
[13:03] <slangasek> no, I don't know
[13:04] <nik90> so do I wait for this phased update period to be over to get the update? I am just hoping I am stuck at r16
[13:04] <nik90> s/am/am not
[13:04] <ogra_> nik90, we do too !
[13:05] <Elleo> nik90: if you use ubuntu-device-flash you shouldn't be hampered by the phasing
[13:05] <nik90> ogra_, slangasek: Alrite I will wait another 6-7 hours and keep you updated
[13:05] <popey> Elleo: we shouldn't have to use that method/
[13:05] <nik90> Elleo: true, but I just want to make sure another new user doesn't face this situation
[13:05] <Elleo> nik90: are you not even able to upgrade to r20?
[13:05] <nik90> Elleo: yes
[13:05] <popey> nik90: can you wait for the 24 hours to be up, and let us know what happens?
[13:05] <Danny_D> hi
[13:06] <nik90> popey: definitely
[13:06] <popey> ~3 hours from now
[13:06] <popey> thanks
[13:06] <Danny_D> where is the changelog for the update that rolled out to bq devices?
[13:06] <Elleo> Danny_D: there's this: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/04/16/phone-updates-april/ and the commitlog: http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ota/ota-3.commitlog
[13:06] <popey> there's also this http://pad.ubuntu.com/ChangeLog which has a list of debian package changes :)
[13:06] <popey> (and clicks)
[13:07] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10838468/ for those who don't have access to etherpad
[13:11] <nik90> bug 1445483 for now
[13:11] <popey> thanks nik90
[13:12] <Danny_D> Elleo: thanks
[13:12] <Elleo> Danny_D: no problem :)
[13:12] <popey> nik90: can you paste system-image-cli --info, ?
[13:12]  * ogra_ grins noticing that Elleo and him just wrote nearly the same mail 
[13:12] <Elleo> heh
[13:14] <nik90> popey: sure, 1 sec
[13:14] <nik90> done
[13:15] <popey> ta
[13:15]  * popey flashes 16 to his krillin
[13:16]  * cwayne needs to find the best way to get the custom changelog included in the commitlog
[13:18] <studio_> hi
[13:19] <popey> hello
[13:19] <ogra_> bah
[13:19] <kenvandine> Elleo, not ready for a full review yet, but can you look at my API changes in my serialized_content_transfers branch?
[13:19] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/content-hub/serialized_content_transfers/+merge/256035
[13:19] <ogra_> the "volume popup shows when audio starts playing" bug is back for me in vivd
[13:19] <kenvandine> Elleo, and if you have time, mind chatting about it after the standup?
[13:20] <kenvandine> i want to run some thoughts by you for opinions
[13:20] <studio_> i was reading offline the problem from nothingspecial. i had same prob to days ago. Power and VOL "-" fixed the loop on my phone
[13:22] <Danny_D> btw, the stallboard app is pure genius
[13:22] <Danny_D> "It's spyware."
[13:22] <ogra_> popey should make it paid ... he could get rich ;)
[13:22] <popey> haha
[13:22] <Elleo> kenvandine: okay, will take a look
[13:23] <Danny_D> you could update it to have even more sounds, tabs maybe
[13:23] <ogra_> he could merge it with the hodor app :)
[13:24] <Danny_D> or make a high score list, which quotes are the best
[13:24] <ogra_> (or is that gone ?)
[13:24] <Danny_D> by uploading click counts
[13:25] <popey> haha
[13:25] <popey> all great ideas :)
[13:26] <Danny_D> "Oh wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait u said COMMERCIAL SOFTWARE."
[13:26] <seb128> kenvandine, jgdx, do you know what's going on with those u-s-s tz tests failing something?
[13:26] <kenvandine> seb128, we have flaky tests again
[13:27] <jgdx> seb128, no, it's flaky
[13:27] <kenvandine> if you rebuild enough, it passes :/
[13:27] <kenvandine> we need to figure that out
[13:27] <seb128> kenvandine, jgdx, do we know why/what changed?
[13:27] <kenvandine> it's driving me nuts
[13:28] <Danny_D> having more quotes in stallboard would be great for doing prank calls at microsoft
[13:28] <popey> nik90: tried reproducing your issue... got offered #21 immediately, sorry :)
[13:29] <davmor2> I know that one doctor doctor I have a steering wheel on my........wait kenvandine you were saying it was confusing right ;)
[13:30] <seb128> kenvandine, jgdx, of course it's working on my device, several tries, all good
[13:30] <Danny_D> btw am i the only one constantly making screenshots since the volume buttons are used for this? :P
[13:30] <kenvandine> seb128, no idea, i tried on my device
[13:30] <kenvandine> and can't reproduce it
[13:30] <seb128> same here :-/
[13:30] <kenvandine> only happens in CI
[13:31] <seb128> of course
[13:31] <kenvandine> i spent hours trying yesterday :/
[13:31] <seb128> wouldn't be fun otherwise
[13:31] <kenvandine> it's time to ask cihelp i guess
[13:31] <nik90> popey: damn :P
[13:31] <jgdx> the instructions to recreate what happens during a ci run is daunting
[13:33] <nik90> popey: you are always at the extremes: thing either work very well or you find bugs that are impossible to reproduce ...be normal for once :D
[13:33] <popey> hah
[13:34] <popey> well, i dunno how system-image works, maybe my card is marked, and I will automagically get that update because I had it before
[13:34] <nik90> I guess you are in the good books of someone high up who controls this randomness
[13:35] <nik90> anyways I will wait another few hours
[13:35] <EdwardMorbius> after todays update I noticed after a while that unity8 is eating cpu like crazy, 150% usage and battery goes down fast, I will let it turn off and plug it into a charger, I hope its a temporary glitch
[13:35] <dobey> EdwardMorbius: what channel?
[13:36] <EdwardMorbius> dobey regular BQ update OTA-3 the latest
[13:36] <EdwardMorbius> I will see if it returns to normal after I turn it on again
[13:41] <sturmflut_> nik90, popey: I didn't get the first part of your conversation, but if it's about not getting the update, system-image-cli has a "--percentage" parameter
[13:41] <popey> we don't want to override it
[13:42] <popey> sturmflut_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/system-image/+bug/1445483 is the context
[13:42] <sturmflut_> popey: Oooh!
[13:43] <sturmflut_> popey: I never even thought about this case
[13:43] <EdwardMorbius> turned the phone on again, cpu usage seems normal at the moment, I will monitor it for a while.
[13:46] <nik90> sturmflut_: did you implement the phasing updates stuff?
[13:46] <seb128> kenvandine, jgdx, I got the test to fail 3 times on my n7 vivid device now
[13:46] <sturmflut_> nik90: No, I'm not even with Canonical ;)
[13:47] <jgdx> seb128, cool, what happens?
[13:47] <seb128> kenvandine, jgdx, it looks like it's tapping on the result, the bg color changes but the text doesn't turn red and it doesn't go back to pop the page
[13:47] <seb128> I can type manually and that works
[13:47] <nik90> sturmflut_: .. just wondering who is responsible for me not getting the cool battery fixes and stuff ;P
[13:49] <sturmflut_> Today some guy at work who I haven't talked to for half a year sent me an e-mail with a screenshot of all my apps in the Click store, and the comment "Laudable."
[13:49] <sturmflut_> So this is what stardom feels like
[13:49] <jgdx> seb128, kenvandine, sounds like https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/fix-datetime-test-failure/+merge/247586
[13:50] <seb128> jgdx, you mean?
[13:50] <seb128> the result is not offscreen
[13:50] <jgdx> seb128, what's the tests name?
[13:50] <seb128> jgdx, ubuntu_system_settings.tests.test_datetime.TimeDateTestCase.test_manual_tz_selection
[13:51] <jgdx> seb128, then it's not that
[13:52] <jgdx> that was a scroll_to_and_click which did not click properly for some reason
[13:52] <jgdx> it became a drag instead, and the test just stopped there
[13:54] <seb128> if it was a drag you would see it in the autopilot log?
[13:55] <jgdx> not sure, sorry
[13:57] <sturmflut_> Anybody using/working on WebGL in Oxide? I just checked if https://bugs.launchpad.net/webapps-touch/+bug/1356566 also applies to the E4.5 and it seems like WebGL support is even more broken than before
[14:04] <studio_> ehm, is the menu with power and vol - new on the bq?
[14:05] <ogra_> no, all ubuntu phones should have it
[14:07] <studio_> i flashed my phone from ubuntu-touch/rc/ubuntu-developer to and have again a boot-loop. last time, when i got this error, power and vol. - fixed that, but now i have this menu?
[14:07] <kenvandine> seb128, doing the same thing on your n7 manually, does it seem slow?
[14:08] <studio_> to "ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed"
[14:08] <kenvandine> the test failure seems to be timeout waiting for the header title to change
[14:08] <seb128> kenvandine, it's not a speed issue
[14:08] <seb128> no
[14:08] <seb128> it types "london ..." in the tz entry
[14:08] <seb128> results are listed
[14:08] <seb128> it "taps" on the second one
[14:08] <seb128> the bg of the listitem gets selected
[14:08] <seb128> but the text doesn't color in red
[14:08] <seb128> and the time/page pop doesn't happen
[14:08] <seb128> I can manually tap then and it works
[14:09] <seb128> in the 10s timeframe
[14:09] <seb128> so it's like the tap was a failed tap
[14:09] <seb128> like it was a dnd or something
[14:09] <kenvandine> test_same_tz_selection fails sometimes too
[14:09] <kenvandine> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-deb-autopilot-runner-vivid-mako/2021/testReport/junit/ubuntu_system_settings.tests.test_datetime/TimeDateTestCase/test_same_tz_selection/
[14:09] <seb128> the onClicked: doesn't trigger
[14:09] <kenvandine> different test
[14:09] <seb128> kenvandine, same issue I guess
[14:09] <seb128> tap not generating an onClicked for some reason
[14:10] <kenvandine> great that you reproduced it locally
[14:10] <seb128> they both use self.main_view.pointing_device.click_object()
[14:10] <kenvandine> i ran it several times yesterday and no failure
[14:10] <kenvandine> on my krillin
[14:11] <seb128> yeah, I had to run it 15 times to get a failure there
[14:11] <kenvandine> my mako was busy testing something else :)
[14:11] <kenvandine> ugh
[14:11] <kenvandine> in CI it fails much more often than that
[14:14] <nik90> popey, slangasek, ogra_ : I got the update :) Blue led notification
[14:14] <ogra_> \o/
[14:14] <popey> interesting
[14:14] <nik90> holy cow 414.5 mb
[14:14] <ogra_> sil2100, ignore me in the other channel then :)
[14:14] <popey> still a bug :)
[14:15] <nik90> I guess the phased-updates does delay it then
[14:15] <ogra_> nik90, because you skipped OTA2 for whatever reason ... else it would only be half of that :)
[14:15] <ogra_> yeah, but you should have gotten -2
[14:15] <nik90> so shall i update? Any other logs you guys might need?
[14:15] <sil2100> I checked and it's 100% finished now, might have taken a bit longer than expected ;)
[14:16] <ogra_> nik90, probably tar up /var/log at least
[14:16] <nik90> sure
[14:17] <studio_> is someone here using "KRILIN01A-S15A_BQ_L100EN_1187_150417" without a boot-loop?
[14:18]  * ogra_ doubts many people use the zips from teh bq site at all
[14:19] <studio_> ?
[14:20] <studio_> that is from "touch/devel-proposed"
[14:20] <ogra_> studio_, most people using the bq in here bought it with ubuntu
[14:21]  * ogra_ has no clue where that cryptic thn up there comes from ... not a version we typically use
[14:22] <ogra_> *thing
[14:25] <Elleo> kenvandine: heya you wanted to chat about the serialisation stuff? shall we open a new hangout or just do it over IRC?
[14:26] <kenvandine> lets do a hangout... but give me 5m
[14:26] <kenvandine> Elleo, ok?
[14:26] <Elleo> okay, sure thing :)
[14:28] <studio_> ogra_, my phone was working half an our ago with the version from "ubuntu-touch/rc/ubuntu-developer" but after the "update" i got the loop. i'll go to re-flash now the complete phone ...
[14:29] <popey> someone in -uk is reporting boot loop on update
[14:29] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10838874/
[14:31] <Se7> no update in uk yet
[14:32] <jgdx> abeato, ping
[14:32] <abeato> jgdx, pong
[14:32] <jgdx> abeato, hey, are you using phonesim?
[14:32] <abeato> jgdx, not really, I've never used it
[14:32] <jgdx> abeato, okay, nm then :)
[14:32] <abeato> maybe Wellark^^
[14:33] <ogra_> popey, lol, i wonder how he thinks more buttons would help though :)
[14:33] <popey> heh
[14:33] <ogra_> its not like you then dont make the decision "press" or "dont press"
[14:33] <jgdx> abeato, just out of curiosity, how do you test calls and smses? :)
[14:33] <abeato> jgdx, with a real SIM :p
[14:34] <abeato> note that phonesim is useless anyway when testing rilmodem drivers
[14:34] <abeato> because it is actually a driver
[14:34] <jgdx> abeato, that makes sense
[14:36] <Wellark> jgdx, abeato ?
[14:36] <jgdx> Wellark, hey, I'm using phonesim and I'm missing interfaces.
[14:36] <abeato> Wellark, jgdx was interested in phonesim
[14:37] <jgdx> Wellark, if you have moment, could you sim a sim and check if you're missing them as well? E.g. connectionmanager.
[14:38] <Wellark> jgdx: I'm now on mtg
[14:38] <Wellark> jgdx: will ping you soon
[14:38] <jgdx> Wellark, thanks
[14:40] <BOHverkill> How can I add my own music/sounds as ringtone?
[14:40] <juzzlin_> I just got the r21 and everything went smoothly :)
[14:42] <ogra_> yippie
[14:43] <ogra_> BOHverkill, currently only via a hack by making the system temporary wirtable,putting your audio file into the right dir and making it readonly again
[14:43] <jgdx> abeato, segfault in ofono seems to be a part of it :)
[14:43] <studio_> ok, after flashing 1.5gb by phone is working again :)
[14:44] <abeato> jgdx, lol
[14:45] <BOHverkill> ogra_: mhhh k, but if I do that is there a risk that I do not get OTAs anymore?
[14:46] <ogra_> BOHverkill, nah, you will always get OTAs
[14:47] <jgdx> abeato, any idea what this is? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10838959/
[14:48] <BOHverkill> ogra_: k who do I do that and which formats are supported?
[14:48] <ogra_> BOHverkill, adding a single file that isnt inside an OTA wont do any harm
[14:48] <ogra_> i thinnk mp3 and ogg ...
[14:48] <BOHverkill> ogra_: and what harm?
[14:48] <ogra_> no harm, as i said :)
[14:48] <abeato> jgdx, hm, probably rild is not present. are you running it on a phone?
[14:49] <jgdx> abeato, desktop
[14:49] <abeato> jgdx, you need to exlude the rildev plugin in that case
[14:49] <BOHverkill> ogra_: no what harms an ota?
[14:49] <BOHverkill> *and
[14:49] <abeato> with ofono -P rildev
[14:50] <ogra_> BOHverkill, its rather the other way round ... an OTA harms your changes ... if you changed any existing file in the rootfs it would be reverted ...
[14:51] <richi__> Wow, how many times does the phone boot during an OTA? I almost thought it was in a boot loop.
[14:51] <ogra_> 2 x
[14:52] <ogra_> it boots to recovery after downloading, unpacks the diff in the rootfs and reboots to normal
[14:52] <richi__> It looked more like something between 5 and 10.
[14:53] <studio_> :)
[14:53] <ogra_> that doesnt sound right
[14:53] <studio_> as i said ...
[14:54] <ogra_> and is definitely not anything we have seen in testing
[14:54] <BOHverkill> ogra_: k changing or deleting an existing file on the ro mounted partition, i am right?
[14:54] <ogra_> BOHverkill, right ... or switching to writable and installing something etc etc
[14:54] <BOHverkill> harms the ota
[14:54] <ogra_> no
[14:54] <ogra_> the OTA would just revert your changes
[14:55] <BOHverkill> oh k
[14:56] <richi__> It switched between black and white screen a couple of times, until I gew worried. But as soon as I saw the ubuntu logo again, everything was well.
[14:57] <jgdx> abeato, that was it! Thank you. /cc Wellark
[14:57] <ogra_> ah, so you had the screen flashing, not a reboot ?
[14:57] <abeato> np
[14:57] <BOHverkill> ogra_: and how do i install the ringtones?
[14:57] <richi__> It looked just like rebooting every time.
[14:58] <ogra_> richi__, well, rebooting means that you see the bq logo for a while
[14:59] <richi__> ogra_   Yes, white means white with the bq logo, then black again.
[14:59] <ogra_> BOHverkill, sudo mount -o remount,rw /
[15:00] <ogra_> BOHverkill, sudo cp /path/to/your/ringtone/ringtone.ogg /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/ringtones/
[15:00] <ogra_> BOHverkill, sudo mount -o remount,ro /
[15:00] <ogra_> if the latter command says it is busy, call "sudo sync" and then reboot the device ... so it is readonly again ... you dont want to keep it rw
[15:04] <matv1> would it be possible to show to which phone nbr an incomming call was made (in case of dual sim). Both in notifications as wel as in recent calls within the phone app?
[15:05] <ogra_> sure, it is just software :)
[15:05] <matv1> or does a feature request/bug exist?
[15:05] <matv1> if not should it need to be filed against phone app or notifications?
[15:06] <matv1> or both?
[15:06] <ogra_> bfiller, ^^^ do we have a wishlist bug for that ?
[15:06] <matv1> especially in case of missed calls its usefull
[15:07] <bfiller> ogra_: should already be there in the recents view, left swipe to reveal more actions and press info button
[15:07] <ogra_> matv1, ^^
[15:08] <bfiller> oh wait
[15:08] <bfiller> maybe that doesn't show which number it was receieved on
[15:08] <BOHverkill> ogra_: thx :)
[15:08] <matv1> yes it is there bfiller
[15:09] <bfiller> matv1: ok cool, I only have one sim atm so can't test
[15:09] <matv1> at least in the phone app
[15:10] <matv1> bfiller ok not in notifications yet
[15:11] <matv1> but I can live with just the one place I guess
[15:12] <bfiller> matv1: would make sense for it to show up in notification as well, please file a bug at bugs.launchpad.net/telephony-service and we'll take a look
[15:12] <matv1> bfiller ok will do that. thanks!
[15:15] <matv1> bfiller you would need to think about a way to implement that in terms of ui because you can't do it the same way you did in the phone app
[15:15] <matv1> bcause you cant open a new page from there
[15:15] <matv1> i think
[15:16] <bfiller> matv1: I would think the notification would say "Missed call from <number> on <simId>" or something like that
[15:16] <matv1> if you can squeeze that in :)
[15:17] <bfiller> yup
[15:17] <bfiller> can do multi line
[15:18] <matv1> ok in that case agreed. might want to consider the same way in the phone app. the current way is not optimal in terms of discoverability :)
[15:18] <matv1> or else i am bad at discovering
[15:20] <bfiller> matv1: agreed, we're working on a way to make the swipe actions more discoverable
[15:20] <bfiller> matv1: its' very hidden currently
[15:21] <bfiller> renatu: that reminds me, where are those branches for the first time hints of the swipe actions on dialer and messaging?
[15:22] <bfiller> don't think we ever finished
[15:22] <renatu> bfiller, let me find it
[15:22] <renatu> bfiller, https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/dialer-app/swipe-item-demo/+merge/251085
[15:23] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, i was able to fix that dim-timeout bug in settings :)
[15:23] <bfiller> renatu: thanks, will add a story for this
[15:23] <matv1> ah you are thinking of incorperating it into the first-run demo?
[15:24] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, hah thought so
[15:24] <bfiller> renatu: maybe we can look at in sprint with olga
[15:24] <pmcgowan> cool
[15:24] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, there isn't a milestone set on bug 1437510
[15:24] <bfiller> matv1: more like first time you go to the recents page it's an demo that shows you the tips for that view
[15:24] <studio_> maybe you should users give a hint that that the update is about 37 times flashing the screen on the bq and it could take while ... "i" thought it is a boot-loop!
[15:25] <kenvandine> please set as appropriate, and we'll land it based on that
[15:25] <ogra_> studio_, it doesnt do that and it isnt normal ...
[15:25] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, we are not gating with milestones now, they are more for tracking
[15:25] <pmcgowan> but I will set it
[15:25] <renatu> bfiller, this is a good idea, but I think olga has some different ideas for it, and SDK has his own implementation of the listem items that should be used by the apps
[15:25] <kenvandine> oh... i thought we were still :)
[15:26] <renatu> bfiller, but yeah we can use it as temporary solution :(
[15:26] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, but it does help me prioritize branches in the approved queue for landing
[15:26] <studio_> ogra_, i never had that before, so for me this is new
[15:26] <bfiller> renatu: yeah
[15:26] <pmcgowan> very good marked for ww17
[15:26] <renatu> bfiller,  I do not like temporary solutions anymore, they give me a lot of work to maintain it later :(
[15:26] <ogra_> studio_, but you are neither using the official channel nor the official hardware
[15:27] <matv1> bfiller ok I understand. i will look out fr it in future proposed images :) thnks again
[15:27] <ogra_> could well be that vivid images have an issue amt
[15:27] <ogra_> *atm
[15:27] <bfiller> matv1: np
[15:27] <studio_> ogra_, i am on "channel: ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en" / "alias: ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09" is that not official?
[15:28] <studio_> and what means official hardware?
[15:28] <ogra_> you just gave me a diferent channel in PM
[15:28] <studio_> no, i told you, a am back on the original
[15:28] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, thx
[15:29] <studio_> r19 is my lates original
[15:29] <ogra_> studio_, still, your partitioning and your bootloader are different from the ubuntu phone
[15:29] <ogra_> (beyond having the buttons on the glass)
[15:30] <studio_> ogra_, scatter is the same as in the git for the ubuntu-kernel
[15:30] <ogra_> ?
[15:31] <studio_> "MT6582_Android_scatter.txt"
[15:31] <ogra_> no idea what that is
[15:31] <studio_> it is the partition
[15:32] <ogra_> no, the partitioning is created at produiction of the phone in the factory
[15:32] <ogra_> no matter what that file there says
[15:33] <Wellark> jgdx: ping
[15:33] <ogra_> and the bootloader is flashed during the factory process too ... nothing in ubuntu ever touches the bootloader later
[15:35] <jgdx> Wellark, pong
[15:37] <studio_> ogra_, you never used the mtk-flash-tools?
[15:38] <ogra_> studio_, nope, only a few elite people like john-mcaleely use the mtk tools in canonical :)
[15:38] <ogra_> the rest of us uses ubuntu-device-flash
[15:38] <john-mcaleely> :-)
[15:38] <cwayne> john-mcaleely is 1337
[15:38] <ogra_> +1
[15:38] <studio_> so, try them, they are easy :)
[15:38] <ogra_> !
[15:39] <ogra_> studio_, but dont help me to find issues with the tools i work on or maintain
[15:39] <ogra_> they are for android users :)
[15:39] <ogra_> i use the ubuntu tools :)
[15:40] <studio_> or users who want to try other things ...
[15:42] <studio_> ogra_, bq made an easy way for their customers, they can flash all versions for their device.
[15:43] <brunch875> studio_: can you hand me a link?
[15:43] <fgimenez> hi renatu, can you take a look at this mp when possible https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/address-book-app/flake8-fixes/+merge/256684 ?
[15:43] <studio_> bq.com ?
[15:43] <brunch875> I mean to that easy link
[15:43] <brunch875> that "easy way"
[15:43] <studio_> flash-tools?
[15:43] <studio_> wait
[15:44] <ogra_> studio_, yes, because windows users can not install ubuntu-device-flash
[15:45] <Wellark> jgdx: other server
[15:45] <studio_> here are the flash-tools: http://www.mibqyyo.com/descargas/2013/11/25/drivers-y-utilidades/
[15:45] <ogra_> its not like bq made them btw, they are just the standard android flash tools using an android like version of our image that is differently packed than the one from the server
[15:45] <brunch875> thanks!
[15:46] <renatu> fgimenez, sure
[15:46] <brunch875> ubuntu-device-flash seems a lot more comfortable
[15:47] <ogra_> well, it has its own issues :) but yeah
[15:47] <mariogrip> don't know if this is a bug or not implemented, but live swap sim card does not work.
[15:47] <studio_> "its not like bq made them btw,..." sorry, this is nosens. bq said, they wanted to publish the firmware in march ...
[15:47] <studio_> it is not official released, but it is "public"
[15:50] <ogra_> studio_, hmm ?
[15:50] <studio_> it is not a "android-flash-tool"
[15:50] <ogra_> studio_, bq didnt write these tools ... they are the standard android flash tools for mtk devices ... and use a re-packaged image
[15:50] <studio_> it is not android depending!
[15:51] <ogra_> which is why the image you can download at bq.com is a .zip
[15:51] <studio_> it is a flash-tool
[15:51] <ogra_> a zip that comes in the same format as an android image
[15:51] <ogra_> so the mtk flash tool can use it
[15:51] <studio_> no, it comes in a mt6582-format
[15:52] <brunch875> yikes! I must control myself not to flash devel
[15:52] <studio_> read about the scatter.txt
[15:54] <ogra_> studio_, really, i dont care about these tools ... if they work for you thats good though
[15:54] <ogra_> i told you what i know about them ...
[15:54] <studio_> bq self told me, the E4.5 will be the ubuntu-phone. i prefer the E5 HD with 16gb flash
[15:54] <studio_> it is also krillin
[15:55] <ogra_> not sure what you mean with that
[15:56] <studio_> with krillin?
[15:57] <ogra_> yes, there is only one device with that name
[15:57] <studio_> https://github.com/bq/aquaris-E5/tree/aquaris-E5/mediatek/config/krillin
[15:57] <ogra_> (wouldnt make much sense to have more than one with a name thats supposed to be unique :) )
[15:57] <studio_> :)
[15:57] <studio_> same cpu
[15:58] <studio_> as the E4
[15:59] <ogra_> most likely even the same board
[16:03] <fgimenez> renatu, thx!
[16:03] <dobey> probably the same phone, with a different screen and flash?
[16:03] <studio_> E4 and E5?
[16:04] <studio_> sure
[16:04] <studio_> the old E5 was with 8gb, the E4 is using a mt6582m
[16:09] <studio_> dobey, all kernels (E4, E4.5 and E5 HD) are built with nfc, and that is what i do not understand :(
[16:10] <dobey> studio_: i don't understand why you care if the kernels were built with nfc enabled
[16:10] <ogra_> or why you care about android kernels :)
[16:10] <studio_> so it can handle nfc?
[16:11] <studio_> not android-kernels. also ubuntu-kernel!
[16:11] <ogra_> well, same thing i explained you about cifs and nfs
[16:11] <ogra_> nothing in the system can make use of NFC yet
[16:11] <ogra_> once the API has support for it, it will also be enabled in the kernel
[16:13] <ogra_> until then you have to enable it on your own
[16:13] <studio_> ogra_, cifs and nfs/nfsd are not in the ubuntu-kernel. but nfc is enabled "CONFIG_NFC_MT6605=y"
[16:15] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, thinking about the dim-timeout setting, if it is expected to always be activity-time - 10, why even have a separate setting in gsettings
[16:15] <kenvandine> we can't ever set it independent of activity-timeout
[16:15] <ogra_> kenvandine, no, that is why we have the bug for it :)
[16:15] <kenvandine> so USC should dim the screen on activity-timeout - 10
[16:16] <kenvandine> the USC task was set invalid, so in settings i always set dim-timeout to activity-timeout - 10 when activity-timeout changes
[16:16] <dobey> studio_: if nfc is enabled and there's no hardware for it, then it won't be used
[16:17] <kenvandine> which seems wrong, we should drop the setting and just dim based on activity-timeout
[16:17] <ogra_> kenvandine, +1
[16:17] <dobey> studio_: just like how cirrus video drivers are enabled by default, but i'm not in 1995 any more
[16:17] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, ^^
[16:17] <ogra_> kenvandine, so if you do this already in settings, are we sure there is anything in poweroff_timeout at all ?
[16:17] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, my fix works around that issue, but i really think eventually USC should handle that automatically and drop the setting completely
[16:18] <kenvandine> in setting we only set activity-timeout in gsettings
[16:18] <ogra_> looks like you subtract from 0 or some such, if you actually use the corrent setting
[16:18] <ogra_> ah
[16:18] <ogra_> you dont use the dbus call thats described in the bug ?
[16:18] <kenvandine> so i have a branch that sets dim-timeout when activity-timeout changes
[16:18] <kenvandine> no
[16:18] <kenvandine> it's just gsettings
[16:19] <kenvandine> my branch works fine, but it's silly to have a separate setting that is expected to always be relative to another setting
[16:20]  * kenvandine reopens USC task and comments
[16:21] <studio_> dobey, i am confused right now, who made the kernel?
[16:21] <ogra_> studio_, mtk
[16:21] <studio_> i thought you?
[16:22] <dobey> omfg
[16:22] <dobey> studio_: what do you mean "made"?
[16:22] <dobey> linux kernel developers "made" the kernel
[16:22] <ogra_> well, effectively linus torvalds made it
[16:22] <dobey> mtk made drivers that are added to the kernel
[16:22] <studio_> dobey, some days ago popey said "we" make the kernel ...
[16:22] <ogra_> well, google changed it first
[16:22] <dobey> bq published a git repo with the mtk stuff and the kernel
[16:22] <ogra_> then mtk added drivers
[16:23] <dobey> canonical/ubuntu compiled the kernel
[16:23] <ogra_> right, we build the binary
[16:23] <ogra_> (and we added other bits like apparmor and a ton of fixes that bq sent to mtk)
[16:23] <dobey> right
[16:23] <davmor2> studio_: you know the whole conversation that you had with ogra and dobey where you went round and round in circles about the kernel and the drivers and we said then we didn't own the kernel or drivers, guess what it looks like you are having that self same conversation again :D
[16:24] <dobey> we don't add arbitrary module configuration to the build though
[16:24] <ogra_> so linus, google, mtk and canonical *made* the kernel :)
[16:24] <ogra_> davmor2, yeah, we like to go in loops :)
[16:24] <dobey> ogra_: and microsoft too!
[16:24] <dobey> i prefer to be going 200+ MPH if i'm going in loops
[16:25] <davmor2> dobey: you need to type faster then :P
[16:25] <ogra_> you need good shoes doing that
[16:25] <dobey> davmor2: or take a tryp to Indianapolis next month and get my Indy/CART license :)
[16:25] <dobey> trip even
[16:25] <ogra_> whee
[16:26] <ogra_> do you ?
[16:26] <dobey> i don't have that license now, no. but the Indy 500 week has a bunch of events, and training thing where you can pay to drive a car round the track and get a license :)
[16:27] <studio_> davmor2, could you please give me a hint how to patch the kernel?
[16:27] <ogra_> yeah, in germany we perfer to drive straight ... we got the autobahn ;)
[16:27] <davmor2> studio_: no idea I don't patch kernels
[16:27] <studio_> so
[16:28] <mariogrip> .... the kernel.ubuntu.com/git is still down!!
[16:28] <ogra_> (though my car doesnt go above 170mph ... )
[16:28] <Myself5> ogra_, unless there is a LKW in front of you or the speedlimit is there :P
[16:28] <davmor2> ogra_: dobey: so I just need a private road :)
[16:28] <ogra_> Myself5, indeed :)
[16:29] <davmor2> studio_: why are trying to patch the kernel anyway
[16:29] <dobey> studio_: patch -p0 < kernel-fix.patch
[16:29] <dobey> though you don't need a patch
[16:29] <dobey> you need logic and reason
[16:29] <studio_> because i need cifs and nfs
[16:30] <dobey> you don't need a patch for that
[16:30] <ogra_> just a config change
[16:30] <dobey> you need a kernel built with support
[16:31] <studio_> dobey, have you ever read the patch for the aquaris 5, without "E" ?
[16:31] <ogra_> "the patch" ?
[16:31] <dobey> you need to go configure the upstream kernel of the same version, to have those features enabled, find what CONFIG_ options were enabled in that config after you do the "make menuconfig" to enable them, and then apply those CONFIG_ options to the bq kernel and build it with those
[16:31] <dobey> it's not hard
[16:31] <ogra_> dobey, did you still have that line in your history from last time ?
[16:31] <ogra_> or did you actually type it again
[16:32] <dobey> you can do that, or you can just stop trying to get nfs/cifs on your phone, because it's not enabled by default
[16:32] <dobey> ogra_: lol, i typed that again
[16:32] <mariogrip> popey, any news on kernel.ubuntu.com/git?
[16:32] <davmor2> dobey: you need more coding to do then surely ;)
[16:32] <popey> mariogrip: lemme ask
[16:32] <dobey> just like it looks like i'm going to have to type the "please stop asking the same f'n questions over and over again after you've been given answers" again
[16:33] <ogra_> ogasawara, is anyone working on gettin gitweb back up ?
[16:33] <dobey> davmor2: i need more codeine maybe
[16:33] <popey> mariogrip: yeah, known problem, sorry
[16:33] <ogra_> ogasawara, its off since a while now :/
[16:33] <ogasawara> ogra_: believe me, we know, we've been the one's shouting the loudest.  IS is getting it sorted.
[16:34] <studio_> dobey, please gimme an example in the same way as the patch for the aquaris 5
[16:34]  * ogra_ hugs ogasawara 
[16:34] <davmor2> dobey: that I can help you with, /me hands dobey some of his co-dydramol
[16:34]  * brunch875 splits ogra_
[16:34] <davmor2> :D
[16:34] <brunch875> damn damn get a hotel you two
[16:34] <dobey> studio_: wtf are you talking about with aquaris 5?
[16:34] <ogra_> brunch875, i doubt her husband would be happy about that :)
[16:34] <dobey> davmor2: heh :)
[16:35] <studio_> dobey, "you" do not like, when i post things twice ...
[16:36] <dobey> studio_: nobody likes it
[16:36] <studio_> so, read the history
[16:36] <dobey> studio_: but nobody has any idea what you mean about aquaris 5 either
[16:36] <dobey> *sigh*
[16:37] <dobey> no, i'm going to go finish work on in-app purchases, so i can write an app specifically for you, which will have one consumable item for purchase, which i will require you to buy every time you want to ask me a question.
[16:38] <ogra_> did you just invent paid IRC ?
[16:38] <dobey> because at this rate, i could have retired already on those earnings
[16:38] <ogra_> ted, !!!
[16:39] <dobey> ogra_: sadly i am not the first to come up with the concept of paid support requests :)
[16:39] <ogra_> ted, since when is that volume popup bug back ? every time i start some audio on my phone in vivid i get the popup ... that was gone for a while already ...
[16:40] <popey> ooh, i get volume popup whenever i get a notification :(
[16:40] <kenvandine> oh no, not that bug!
[16:40] <ogra_> dobey, no, but with phone driven tokens for IRC support :)
[16:40] <ted> ogra_, Hmm, that would be odd.
[16:40] <ogra_> popey, but i'm not crazy, am i ? that was gone inbetween ...
[16:40] <ted> ogra_, Which image?
[16:40] <popey> latest vivid for me
[16:40] <ogra_> ted, yesterdays vivid
[16:40] <ted> Hmm, let me update, it was fixed.
[16:41] <ted> I'd be surprised if any of the recent changes brought it back, they were just tiny fixes.
[16:41] <dobey> ogra_: it reminds me a bit of the crazy custom irc client for getting support we did, way back in ximian days
[16:41] <ogra_> hah
[16:41]  * ogra_ pets his rupert on the shelf
[16:41] <dobey> heh
[16:42] <dobey> i have a bunch of monkeys in my office
[16:44] <davmor2> I have pengiuns tigers bear and lynx in the office
[16:44] <ogra_> a zoo
[16:44] <ted> "This software was developed in front of a stuffed audience"
[16:45] <ogra_> lol
[16:45] <davmor2> ted: nice
[16:45] <brunch875> Talking about sound notifications... there's something which has been bugging me lately A LOT.
[16:45] <brunch875> Media ignores silent mode. Volume rockers only change media volume when media is playing.
[16:45] <brunch875> And thus I can't play a video inside a library if the media sound is set to average+!
[16:45] <ogra_> mpt, ^^^
[16:46] <ogra_> brunch875, silent mode is supposed to only silence notifications ... anything you interactively start on the phone will still have sound
[16:46] <brunch875> I know :( That's the problem
[16:46] <ogra_> mpt, i think we need a better naming ...
[16:47] <ogra_> "do not distrurb"
[16:47] <davmor2> ogra_: NO RINGER MODE is too long though
[16:47] <ted> Probably just having the menu item being "Alert Sounds"
[16:47] <brunch875> there should be a "mute everything" like on the computer
[16:47] <ogra_> just use pathwind
[16:48]  * ogra_ ducks from things kenvandine could throw
[16:48] <brunch875> hahaha
[16:48] <davmor2> brunch875: no there shouldn't if you get a call you want to be able to talk on it even in silent mode
[16:49] <brunch875> then... a "mute speaker" option?
[16:49] <brunch875> the bottom one, I mean
[16:50] <dobey> davmor2: you need a liger
[16:50] <dobey> ogra_: "GTFO mode"
[16:50] <ted> Ah, I bet I know what happened. (still waiting on update)
[16:50] <davmor2> dobey: but the tion's are cuter
[16:51] <ted> rsalveti, I think that your change to remove duplicate volumes needs to be adjusted to still record the reason.
[16:51] <ted> rsalveti, Otherwise the reason stays as user input so it shows the notifications.
[16:51] <ogra_> dobey, and an acronyms of the world handbook in the box ...
[16:52] <brunch875> Imagine the following scenario: Me in a very boring class. Pull out phone and launch pathwind. Music blasts across the room. Haste to close the program to silence it.
[16:52] <dobey> ogra_: or hungarian phrase books
[16:53] <brunch875> At that point there was no way I could play my geyums :(
[16:53] <dobey> "my hovercraft is full of eels"
[16:53] <ogra_> my hovercraft is full of eels !
[16:53] <ogra_> LOL
[16:53] <ogra_> *snap*
[16:53] <dobey> haha
[16:53] <brunch875> since I couldn't mute media / lower it from blasting high
[16:53] <ted> brunch875, So I think the bug is "no way to adjust multimedia volume when multimedia isn't playing"
[16:54] <ted> brunch875, File that on ubuntu-ux
[16:55] <brunch875> will do, will do! For now I'm using the dead-audio-jack trick
[16:55]  * dobey drinks his lunch in his ximian pint glass
[17:00] <Wellark> jgdx: sorry, I need to run, but.
[17:00] <Wellark> jgdx: make sure that in the Modem interface
[17:00] <Wellark> you set Powered to true
[17:01] <Wellark> jgdx: and also Online()
[17:01] <Wellark> * Online-property
[17:02] <ted> ogra_, I can't get them to come up with 174
[17:02] <ted> ogra_, Do you have steps?
[17:03] <ogra_> ted, i use my lautfm player from the store
[17:03] <ogra_> once i start a radio stream the thing pops up
[17:03] <Wellark> jgdx: oh, you got it resolved already
[17:03] <Wellark> goo
[17:03] <Wellark> d
[17:03] <Wellark> everybody, have a great weekend!
[17:05]  * ted installs
[17:05] <ogra_> but popey seems to see it for standard notifications
[17:05] <ogra_> (i didnt have any)
[17:06] <ted> Hmm, no, that doesn't pop notifications for me.
[17:06] <ted> I'm now listening to Celtic Rock, something I didn't know existed yesterday.
[17:07] <ogra_> LOL
[17:07] <ogra_> yeah, there are some really weird stations in there
[17:07] <cwayne> celtic rock is awesome
[17:07] <Sleep_Walker> hi
[17:07] <ted> Hah, Southern Rock Radio
[17:08] <Sleep_Walker> I'm happy owner of new Aquaris E4.5
[17:08] <ogra_> yay !
[17:08] <brunch875> Wohoo!
[17:09] <Sleep_Walker> I'm trying to set up sync with google, but it seems that virtual keyboard doesn't appear even when I have focus on edit object (now verification code)
[17:09] <Sleep_Walker> is that known problem? is there known workaround?
[17:09] <popey> i have seen that before
[17:10] <brunch875> keep tappity tap tap
[17:10] <brunch875> or close and reopen
[17:10] <popey> if you swipe away to another app and back again it sometimes works
[17:10] <Sleep_Walker> my guess (but not confirmed) is that it is related to suspend
[17:10] <brunch875> it happened the same with my last android :|
[17:10] <brunch875> I think it's a website issue
[17:10] <dobey> switching away and back almost always works to fix it for me, with the messaging app
[17:10] <Sleep_Walker> virtual keyboard is not part of website - it doesn't sound correct
[17:10] <dobey> brunch875: i think it's a toolkit issue actually
[17:11] <brunch875> it's bizzare, since it happened the same in my android
[17:11] <brunch875> so I assumed it was a website issue
[17:12] <dobey> the keyboard is probably also a separate process on android, and it's just a hard to debug/fix issue, which may be common across systems when the implementation is such that the keyboard is a separate process :)
[17:12] <bzoltan_> dobey: tell me more about that hungarian phrase book please :)
[17:13] <dobey> bzoltan_: lol
[17:13] <ted> popey, ogra_, so my suspicion is that this is the issue, but since I can't recreate it's going to be hard to prove. Can one of you try the deb when Jenkins builds it? https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/indicator-sound/deduplicate-with-reason/+merge/256698
[17:13] <dobey> bzoltan_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAQJHHf3i1o
[17:13] <ogra_> ted, if i'm still active when jenkins does that :)
[17:14] <ogra_> ted, but yeah, latest on the weekend at some point
[17:14] <Myself5> dobey, as you look like you can help me
[17:15] <dobey> i probably can't :)
[17:15] <ogra_> Myself5, i think thats an old photo though
[17:15] <Myself5> is patching the defconfig with "check-config <defconfig file> -w" enough?
[17:15] <Myself5> or do I need to apply some other patches to the kernel defconfig too
[17:16] <dobey> i have no idea if that will work in the context of the mtk build system, as 'make menuconfig' doesn't work there
[17:16] <Myself5> I'm doing a initial bringup for the Xperia Z2 and Z3 based off the Sony AOSP device trees
[17:16] <dobey> and i've not built a kernel for a phone, nor done a port, myself
[17:16] <Myself5> both Snapdragon 801 Devices ;)
[17:16] <ogra_> well, AOSP is definitely a bit more sane then an mtk tree :)
[17:17] <Myself5> why do I think I use a mtk device :D
[17:17] <ogra_> Myself5, the check-config script is from janimo, he is on vacation this week though ...
[17:18] <ogra_> probably one of the other porters in here can help you
[17:18] <dobey> Myself5: i didn't know if you were asking about the bq kernel or not, until you stated you were doing a port 3 comments later :)
[17:18] <Myself5> hehe sorry for that :D
[17:18] <bzoltan_> dobey:  ohh man, you just saved the week of an innocent Hungarian enginer :D
[17:18] <Myself5> ogra_, any names of the other porters :P ? So I can tag them :D ?
[17:19] <ogra_> Myself5, well, mariogrip is one for example ... but i think he only started with the kernel side of things
[17:20] <Myself5>  Made 246 fixes.
[17:20] <Myself5> lol
[17:20] <dobey> bzoltan_: haha
[17:26] <rsalveti> ted: but the volume set call wasn't storing the reason
[17:28] <rsalveti> ted: oh, it was saving everything
[17:28] <rsalveti> ted: indeed, my bad, will fix it
[17:29] <ted> rsalveti, I have a patch above that i think will work, but I'm not able to recreate the bug.
[17:29] <rsalveti> ted: who reproduced it, davmor2?
[17:30] <rsalveti> ted: guess that would happen if the multimedia volume is different than the alert one
[17:30] <ted> rsalveti, Hopefully Jenkins will have a deb soon: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/indicator-sound/deduplicate-with-reason/+merge/256698
[17:30] <ted> rsalveti, ogra and popey
[17:30] <ted> rsalveti, Yeah, I tried that, that was my guess too.
[17:30] <ted> rsalveti, Trying to reproduced forced me to listen to German radio, I recommend being careful the questions you ask :-)
[17:32] <rsalveti> change looks good, guess we can just ask them to test the deb
[17:32] <Se7>  /me exited updating now :))
[17:32] <Se7> lol
[17:35] <popey> ted: can you pm me on telegram as a test?
[17:37] <brunch875> Is it possible to launch a program from the terminal?
[17:37] <brunch875> I mean... something like the file explorer
[17:43] <Se7> still no data source available in the circle :(
[17:43] <Sleep_Walker> external keyboard works - neat
[17:44] <brunch875> external keyboard?
[17:44] <brunch875> you mean a bluetooth keyboard?
[17:44] <Sleep_Walker> nope, USB one
[17:44] <brunch875> :o !
[17:44] <Sleep_Walker> it is the cheap chinese for tablets
[17:45] <brunch875> I had no idea such things existed
[17:46] <Se7> can t share a pics on bluethoot?
[17:47] <dobey> Se7: obex is not yet supported really
[17:48] <rsalveti> obex itself is supported (that's how we chance contacts on a car), we just don't have client support yet in order to send files
[17:48] <rsalveti> *change
[17:48] <rsalveti> which will happen at some point
[17:53] <dobey> hmm, nobody makes a decent usb mini keyboard for the nexus 5 it seems :-/
[17:53] <popey> ted: can't reproduce that bug now!
[18:00] <Myself5> popey ! :D
[18:01] <Myself5> havnt seen you in a long time :D
[18:01] <popey> helo
[18:02] <Myself5> do you have an Idea why Ubuntu refuses to read a Android.mk in a subdirectory while the same setup works perfectly fine in OmniROM?
[18:03]  * Myself5 still tries to port Ubuntu to the Z2 and Z3 :
[18:03] <Myself5> D
[18:03] <Sleep_Walker> Xperias?
[18:09] <Myself5> yes Sleep_Walker
[18:11] <davmor2> rsalveti, popey: I reporduced it \o/
[18:12] <rsalveti> ted: do you have the new deb in hands?
[18:12] <davmor2> rsalveti: I just set music to full volume and hit play
[18:19] <davmor2> rsalveti: easily reproduced on mvsm too
[18:19] <studio_> ehm, someone here is using the bq 4.5 with the latest update?
[18:20] <dobey> i'm sure many people are
[18:20] <studio_> if yes, how long does a reboot take?
[18:21]  * popey times it
[18:21] <studio_> i am sure, it was shorter before the update
[18:21] <popey> 3.2.1.. pressed restart now
[18:22] <popey> booted
[18:22] <popey> so just over a minute
[18:23] <Sleep_Walker> ~52 seconds
[18:23] <studio_> popey, do you have a "flashing screen" on reboot?
[18:23] <popey> no
[18:23] <studio_> hmm ...
[18:24] <popey> i have lost zero % battery in 8 hours.
[18:24] <dobey> popey: lies
[18:24] <studio_> "bq screen" is flashing on my device
[18:25] <davmor2> popey: it's possibly a tiny % but I doubt it is 0
[18:25] <popey>                      
[18:25] <popey>                #
[18:25] <popey>  mmmmm   mmm   # mm
[18:25] <popey>  # # #  #"  #  #"  #
[18:25] <popey>  # # #  #""""  #   #
[18:25] <popey>  # # #  "#mm"  #   #
[18:25] <Sleep_Walker> popey: isn't it more probable that you stopped reading real values? ;b
[18:25] <popey>                      
[18:25] <popey>                      
[18:25] <popey> rounding error
[18:26] <grubproblems> could anyone help with grub issues? sorry i know it's not touch but i tried asking in the main channel and it's way too busy
[18:26] <grubproblems> also recently got to use touch, props to the team, lost the phone i had it on unfortunately but it was awesome
[18:27] <studio_> popey, what channel are you using on your bq?
[18:28] <davmor2> studio_: he was one of the first on 21
[18:28] <popey> the one it ships from the factory with
[18:28] <studio_> 21 is rtm right?
[18:29] <studio_> i am on vivid right now
[18:29] <popey> i have one phone on factory shipped channel and one on vivid
[18:30] <studio_> is your vivid phone "blinking" on restart?
[18:30]  * popey tries
[18:30] <studio_> maybe 37 times
[18:31] <grubproblems> i wish i still had my bq -_-
[18:31] <popey> no, no blinking
[18:31] <davmor2> studio_: no blinking here either
[18:31] <studio_> yes 37 times. tht is not normal !
[18:33] <dobey> maybe you broke your phone
[18:34]  * ted is back
[18:34] <studio_> no, i fashed from r21 to ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed
[18:34] <ted> Not sure why that deb isn't building... Jenkins...
[18:34] <studio_> maybe i should switch back?
[18:35] <popey> 21?
[18:35] <popey> why 21?
[18:35] <popey> that seems wrong.
[18:35] <dobey> becasue it's blackjack
[18:35] <popey> I'm on ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed 187
[18:35] <studio_> 21 was latest on ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en
[18:35] <popey> so 21 seems very old
[18:35] <popey> wait
[18:35] <davmor2> dobey: man now I want to eat black jacks
[18:35] <popey> you're not on ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en
[18:35] <popey> you're on ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed you said
[18:35] <davmor2> popey: rtm 21
[18:36] <popey> no...
[18:36] <popey> thats not what he said
[18:36] <davmor2> popey: that's what he meant not what he said
[18:36] <popey> lets see
[18:36] <studio_> is is same as ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09
[18:36] <popey> system-image-cli --info
[18:36] <popey> run that
[18:36] <popey> what does it say?
[18:36] <studio_> i am on the wrong channel?
[18:36] <dobey> popey: he was on rtm 21, then switch to devel-proposed
[18:36] <studio_> was
[18:37] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10840127/ is what I'm on
[18:38] <popey> studio_: what does yours say?
[18:38] <elopio> ping mvo: are you the maintainer of click? I'm getting this weird error, not sure what to do about it
[18:38] <elopio> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10839516/
[18:39] <studio_> it is ubuntu-touch/vivid-proposed, but i am now on ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed
[18:39] <studio_> should i change?
[18:39] <dobey> devel-proposed is just an alias
[18:40] <popey> studio_: can you just please paste the output?
[18:40] <popey> channel: ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed
[18:40] <popey> alias: ubuntu-touch/vivid-proposed
[18:40] <popey> same things
[18:40] <studio_> output from "system-image-cli -i"?
[18:40] <popey> yes
[18:40] <studio_> here?
[18:41] <popey> a pastebin
[18:41] <studio_> wait
[18:42] <studio_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10840166/
[18:42] <popey> so we're on the same thing then
[18:43] <studio_> but a reboot is "flashing" the bq screen
[18:44] <popey> I wonder what firmware you have
[18:45] <davmor2> popey: remember that studio_ is on an android version not an ubuntu phone
[18:45] <popey> what does this command return...
[18:45] <popey> yes, I know
[18:45] <popey> cat /sys/devices/platform/mtk-tpd/chipinfo
[18:45] <studio_> i made "ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed"
[18:46] <studio_> ID:0x0 VER:0x40 IC:ft5336 VENDOR:ckt (dc)
[18:48] <dobey> well, the bq screen is the bootloader right? and that's entirely outside the scope of ubuntu itself no? ubuntu-device-flash doesn't replace the bootloader too
[18:48] <studio_> davmor2, please do not make users confused, bq E4.5 is allways the same
[18:48] <dobey> studio_: no, they aren't the same. you're the only one causing any confusion here.
[18:49] <studio_> dobey, E4.5 is e4.5
[18:49] <studio_> if you feel free, you can flash android on your dvice
[18:50] <dobey> no. e4.5 android and e4.5 ubuntu are not the same. they are close, but not the same
[18:50] <studio_> feel free
[18:51] <studio_> if you do not trust i'll pay you the 170 euro
[18:52] <davmor2> studio_: we work at canonical we are telling you they are different! just because you can install software from canonical or google on it doesn't make the hardware the same
[18:52] <dobey> ubuntu on the e4.5 ubuntu edition is supported by bq. installing ubuntu on the e4.5 android is an "at your own risk" regarding bq's support (as you've said so yourself several times)
[18:54] <studio_> davmor2, have you ever made an "real" backup from your flash?
[18:54] <dobey> if you do not trust, then go ask bq for support :)
[18:55] <davmor2> studio_: yes thanks
[18:55] <studio_> no, not thanks, have you?
[18:55] <davmor2> studio_: yes thanks
[18:56] <studio_> so, you know how to use the mtk-tools.
[18:56] <dobey> if you want to buy me a bq phone though, feel free. just have it shipped to the canonical office in UK
[18:56] <dobey> lol
[18:57] <davmor2> studio_: I do for what I need, but that's not how I backup
[18:59] <studio_> davmor2, for normal users it is very important how to make a complete backup. maybe for you it is just a joke, but "i" think it is important.
[19:00]  * popey backs up his phone every 6 hours
[19:00] <davmor2> studio_: and when there is a proper backup solution it will be made public, but an unstable hack is not what you give out to people
[19:01] <studio_> to make a backup via mtk-tools is not an "unstable hack"
[19:01] <davmor2> studio_: did you not read  but that's not how I backup
[19:02] <davmor2> studio_: mtk-tools is designed for the board and flashing images mostly it is not how you would backup android you would use some backup tool
[19:04] <studio_> davmor2, why you talk about backup "android"? it is to backup your whole flash.
[19:05] <dobey> why are you talking about mtk-tools at all?
[19:05] <studio_> dobey, because it is easy
[19:05] <dobey> it is irrelevant
[19:06] <dobey> nobody who purchased an e4.5 ubuntu edition needs to use them
[19:06] <davmor2> studio_: mtk-tools is not a backup tool. it is a factory tool for flashing and reflashing.  You use a tool similar to platinum backup on android to backup you ubuntu data but that doesn't exist yet
[19:06] <dobey> the only reason you needed to use them is because you bought the android version of the phone early, to install ubuntu on, instead of waiting for the phone to be released
[19:08] <mvo> elopio: this looks like your working directory is somehow not accessible from schroot, is there is anything special about it?
[19:09] <elopio> mvo: not that I know of. But after doing this, my home directory is umounted.
[19:09] <elopio> something in the middle makes it not accessible.
[19:09] <mvo> elopio: oh, your entire homedir? is it on a ecryptfs?
[19:10] <elopio> mvo: it is not.
[19:10] <mvo> elopio: so its just a seperate mount point?
[19:11] <dobey> wow, that is crazy
[19:12] <elopio> mvo: yes.
[19:15] <studio_> dobey, you still do not or want to understand, i am on the latest ubuntu-touch channel for the bq e4.5, but there are still missing things to use ubuntu-touch for a normal, daily use ... if you show me your scatter.txt, that i can comfirm i am on a different version would be nice.ö
[19:17] <davmor2> studio_: we don't have scatter.txt we just flash the phone using the ubuntu-device-flash tool
[19:17] <dobey> well your phone is definitely different from mine. i have a nexus 5. and a nexus 4. but even if i had an e4.5 ubuntu edition, and the contents of some files were exactly the same, it does not mean there are not subtle differences in the hardware
[19:17] <studio_> dobey, and you re wrong, check youtube for backup mtk-tools
[19:18] <dobey> studio_: the one refusing to understand anything here, is you.
[19:20] <studio_> dobey, i am not your enemy, why you do not try to understand how mtk-tools are working?
[19:20] <dobey> i know how mtk-tools work. i wasn't arguing how they work. i was telling you to get to a bloody point already.
[19:22] <davmor2> studio_: mtk-tools is an image manipulation tool not a backup tool.  Yes it can back up the entire image but that is not a backup tool, it's effectively dd.  A backup tool only snapshot the data you care about not the base image.
[19:25] <studio_> davmor2, it is not a "manipulation tool" it made a backup or copy a new image direct to the flash and its partitions
[19:27] <dobey> oh ffs
[19:27] <davmor2> studio_: So it manipulate images like dd.  I repeat it is not a backup tool!  It it an imaging tool
[19:27] <dobey> studio_: stop arguing about the bloody mtk-tools
[19:28] <dobey> davmor2: you're not helping :)
[19:28] <studio_> dd is dump
[19:28] <davmor2> dobey: hahaha
[19:28] <brunch875> haha omg you guy
[19:28] <brunch875> +s
[19:28] <studio_> dd do not need a scatter-file
[19:28] <dobey> it doesn't bloody matter what mtk-tools is
[19:28]  * brunch875 grabs some popcorn
[19:29] <dobey> the only thing it is in this channel, is irrelevant
[19:29] <dobey> it is not how you flash ubuntu onto a device
[19:29] <dobey> this isn't #mediatek
[19:31] <studio_> dobey, maybe it is not #mediatek, but it helps users on #ubuntu-touch
[19:31] <dobey> no, it does not
[19:31] <studio_> why not?
[19:31] <dobey> because it is a completley unnecessary tool for using ubuntu
[19:32] <studio_> this is your mind
[19:32] <brunch875> studio_ don't you like ubuntu-device-flash?
[19:32] <dobey> the only reason it would be relevant is if someone else was asking about how to go about flashing an android e4.5 with ubuntu
[19:32] <dobey> nobody is asking about that
[19:32] <dobey> you are going on and on about "backing up" your device with it.
[19:33] <dobey> just stop
[19:33] <studio_> brunch875, have you tried to flash other firmware with the mtk-tools on your device?
[19:33] <dobey> k1l: ^^ please? this is just getting silly
[19:33] <brunch875> Most I've ever "flashed" was dragging a .zip to an android and hitting "update" on clockworkmod
[19:34] <brunch875> not even ubuntu :p
[19:34] <dobey> studio_: no, nobody wants to flash other firmware on their ubuntu devices
[19:34] <studio_> dobey, come on ...
[19:34] <studio_> sure?
[19:34] <dobey> studio_: no, stop. if you have something to talk about, then talk about something on topic, and stop going on and on about mtk-tools
[19:35] <dobey> i'm sure if anybody cares to do so, they will ask a relevant question about how to do it
[19:35] <dobey> and that question should probably be asked in a relevant android forum or to bq support perhaps, because it is not a necessary thing to use mtk-tools with ubuntu
[19:35] <studio_> it is this channel, when other users asked, what happend, when they flash back to android?
[19:36] <dobey> nobody flashed back to android because the ubuntu phone doesn't come with android, so you can't flash back to android
[19:37] <dobey> how to install android on a phone is not the topic of this channel
[19:38] <studio_> dobey, open your mind: http://www.bq.com/gb/downloads-aquaris-e4-5.html
[19:39] <brunch875> studio_ , you should try seeking help around  the android channels
[19:40] <brunch875> you can pretty much treat the e4.5 ubuntu edition as the e4.5 android edition, right?
[19:40] <dobey> studio_: if you want help with android, find an android channel. this isn't an android channel.
[19:40] <studio_> brunch875, i am allways changing between UT and Android!
[19:42] <dobey> oh; popey and ogra have chanop permissions, and mhall119 too. can one of you do something about this please?
[19:42] <popey> feel free not to engage
[19:44] <studio_> dobey, i try to help with UT, maybe you do not see :(
[19:46] <mhall119> studio_: we are not Android experts in here, we can help you install Ubuntu or use Ubuntu on your device, but we can't do the same for Android
[19:46] <mhall119> If you need help installing or running Android, then as dobey says you will be able to find that on an Android related channel or forum
[19:49] <studio_> mhall119, i have the feeling i am talking to a wall :( Sure i can flash back to android but missing things here in the forum are pure ignored ...
[19:50] <brunch875> studio_: don't be too hard on yourself... it's not as hostile as it seems
[19:51] <studio_> "hostile" is a nice keyword ...
[19:51] <mhall119> studio_: you're just asking the wrong people, we're Ubuntu folks, not Android folks, Ubuntu is what we know and what we support.
[19:52] <dobey> brunch875: he's the hostile one
[19:52] <mhall119> alright, let's not escalate things
[19:52] <studio_> dobey, you are wrong !
[19:52] <mhall119> this is simply not the best place to get the answers you're looking for, that's all
[19:52] <brunch875> I'm sure this is all just friction
[19:53] <mhall119> studio_: I'm sorry we can't help you with this task
[19:54] <dobey> brunch875: brake pads get hot and wear down after having the same friction constantly repeated over and over again
[19:54] <studio_> dobey, i do not know how to translate " Hochmut kommt vor dem Fall", but you are nearby ...
[19:55] <mhall119> ok, no more friction, what's done is done, let's leave it at that
[19:56] <mhall119> studio_: if you have questions or need help with Ubuntu, you're welcome to come back here to ask them, otherwise I wish you the best of luck with Android
[19:57] <studio_> mhall119, my questions are always about ut and not android.
[19:58] <mhall119> studio_: what was the question then?
[19:59] <studio_> mhall119, repetitions are not liked here ...
[20:00] <brunch875> it's cool, ask away
[20:00] <brunch875> I missed the question anyway
[20:00] <mhall119> studio_: PM me then
[20:01]  * brunch875 is off to dinner!
[20:03] <dobey> repeating a question after a meaningful amount of time, which has not actually been answered, is fine. what is not appreciated is asking the same thing over and over, particularly after it's been answered multiple times already.
[20:08] <studio_> dobey, i understood, you do not have a solution ...
[20:11] <Sleep_Walker> what is the root password on aquaris e4.5?
[20:11] <Sleep_Walker> is there some ssh server available?
[20:11] <Sleep_Walker> is there some synergy-like application?
[20:11] <Dragonkeeper> pin code
[20:12] <cwayne> Sleep_Walker, it's whatever you set as your pincode
[20:12] <cwayne> or passphrase
[20:12] <Sleep_Walker> hm, I don't use pincode :(
[20:12] <Dragonkeeper> make 1
[20:12] <cwayne> then you cant get adb access anyway
[20:13] <Sleep_Walker> you have some special PAM module for that? :)
[20:16] <Dragonkeeper> adb is debug console over usb
[20:16] <Sleep_Walker> I know adb from android
[20:16] <Dragonkeeper> its the same thing
[20:17]  * Dragonkeeper has his gps finally working xD
[20:17] <Sleep_Walker> ah
[20:18] <Sleep_Walker> I have no SIM plugged yet
[20:18] <Sleep_Walker> I can't have PIN anyway
[20:18] <dobey> Sleep_Walker: we have to still use adb for developer mode
[20:18] <dobey> Sleep_Walker: not a SIM PIN. you need the unlock screen PIN/pasword
[20:18] <dobey> Sleep_Walker: that is the password you use for sudo
[20:18] <Sleep_Walker> I see!
[20:18] <dobey> though, why do you need root anyway?
[20:19] <Sleep_Walker> to explore internals of course! >:)
[20:19] <dobey> you shouldn't make the system writable and install packages, as it can break things pretty fast if you do.
[20:19] <Sleep_Walker> I'd like to install static dropbear
[20:20] <dobey> if you enable developer mode, you can connect to the phone using ssh over usb with "phablet-shell" command on ubuntu
[20:20] <Sleep_Walker> is there some recovery mode?
[20:20] <genii> Hm
[20:20] <Dragonkeeper> sudo make me-a-sandwich
[20:21]  * Dragonkeeper cant get his sandwich out of the dvd drive
[20:21] <brunch875> Ooooh so THAT was the use for dvd drives
[20:23] <Dragonkeeper> brunch875: yes , that and symlinking "cupholder" to the "eject" command
[20:25] <brunch875> by the way, cheers on OTA3. By now my phone would have no battery left but it stays at 63%
[20:26]  * Dragonkeeper didnt wipe, just changed over channel to devel  on bq phone, now he has a duplicate icon of here maps ;/
[20:29] <Dragonkeeper> is there a project ongoing for actual navigation , not just the directions ?
[20:30] <Sleep_Walker> https://youtu.be/_BRv9wGf5pk >:D
[20:31] <Sleep_Walker> (IOW thanks :)
[20:33] <Sleep_Walker> omg, it's using systemd
[20:33] <dobey> Dragonkeeper: it requires background processing, or i'm sure it would have been done already.
[20:33] <Dragonkeeper> dobey: how so ?
[20:34] <dobey> Sleep_Walker: the phone isn't really yet, there are just a few systemd things installed, but upstart is still used there.
[20:34] <dobey> Dragonkeeper: well, apps can't process while they are in the background or the screen is off, so it wouldn't be possible for them to give you turn by turn announcements currently
[20:35] <dobey> well, unless you changed the settings to never turn the screen off, and ensured that app was in the foreground
[20:36] <Dragonkeeper> dobey: yeah i understand that , i assumed people kept the screen always on anyway as turn by turn is abit longwinded with useless information
[20:38] <dobey> the tbt in my truck isn't that bad usually. the maps in it are a bit dated though, and i don't generally use tbt unless i really need to
[20:38] <Sleep_Walker> ah, too bad, terminal application doesn't seem to take USB keyboard input :(
[20:38] <Dragonkeeper> Sleep_Walker: yes it does
[20:39] <dobey> Sleep_Walker: it should, but otg is not really fully supported yet, so some keyboards might just not work i guess
[20:39] <Sleep_Walker> strange
[20:39] <Dragonkeeper> there should be extra information on the updates list so i know what the update is for , instead of it just saying ubuntu
[20:40] <Dragonkeeper> Sleep_Walker: also some might require extra power added
[20:41] <Sleep_Walker> either I have bad contact or it is working randomly, sorry for the noise
[20:41] <Sleep_Walker> I'm just too excited with new toy :)
[20:42] <Dragonkeeper> Sleep_Walker: ikr, i love the bq phone :P
[20:43] <Sleep_Walker> hm, ssh is running, but I need to upload my pubkey first...
[20:43] <Sleep_Walker> it's really ready for use
[20:45] <Dragonkeeper> Sleep_Walker: u can use the ubuntu sdk to set that up automaticly
[20:47] <dobey> Dragonkeeper: there's no ssh over network by default, only over usb
[20:48] <Sleep_Walker> dobey: but editing sshd_config should be sufficient to change it, right?
[20:49] <Dragonkeeper> dobey: ah right , didnt know that , i just use adb or the terminal on device
[20:50] <dobey> Sleep_Walker: i guess, if you really want to open a hole on your phone for people to attack :)
[20:51] <Sleep_Walker> dobey: I have opened hole in every my device clever enough to run secure shell server
[20:51] <Sleep_Walker> it doesn't seem to be different case from that, does it?
[20:51] <dobey> different code from what?
[20:52] <dobey> oh, case
[20:52] <dobey> man i guess i am getting tired already
[20:52] <dobey> well, are all those devices publicly exposed on a 3g network?
[20:54] <Dragonkeeper> dobey: well they will all have ips but dont think you can scan the network like your can with a wireless lan
[20:54] <dobey> sure you can
[20:55] <Sleep_Walker> I think the answer doesn't matter - they are attached to Internet (mostly with public IP addresses)
[20:57] <Dragonkeeper> sure but in that case its same as having router with open ssh port to your ubuntu machine
[20:57] <Sleep_Walker> yes
[20:57] <Dragonkeeper> so use a decent passphrase instead of a pin
[20:59] <Sleep_Walker> I'm using pubkey authetication
[20:59] <dobey> why would you een enable password auth for ssh?
[21:01] <Dragonkeeper> i use password auth on some machines, as i access them alot from random spots/devices dobey  but i wouldnt use ssh server on a phone
[21:45] <Robin_> www.UbuntuFun.de - der deutsche Ubuntu Blog
[22:10] <nothingspecial> studio_: how did you fix the issue ?
[22:10] <nothingspecial> studio_: Power and VOL down?
[22:16] <brunch875> which issue?
[22:17] <nothingspecial> that I can't get out of a boot loop on my bq brunch875
[22:17] <brunch875> oooh yeah...
[22:17] <brunch875> I read you earlier this morning
[22:17] <nothingspecial> yeah
[22:18] <nothingspecial> brunch875: studio_ said something 9 hours ago, I'm hoping s/he has a highlight log
[22:19] <Robin_> Der deutsche Ubuntu Blog. Alles zu deinem Ubuntu Desktop & Ubuntu Phone - www.UbuntuFun.de
[22:27] <studio__> nothingspecial, sorry. i re-flashed my device with the mtk-tools
[22:29] <studio__> nothingspecial, how many times did you get the "flashing screen"?
[22:39] <studio__> how do i "erase" on the app-scope missing apps from the version in installed before?
[22:41] <studio__> app-scope try to show apps which are not installed anymore ...
[22:41] <cwayne> studio__, pull down to refresh
[22:41] <studio__> not working, tried that
[22:42] <studio__> cwayne, another solution?
[22:43] <cwayne> studio__, i don't know of any, sorry
[22:43] <studio__> ok
[22:56] <studio__> hmm, that makes no fun. after installing ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed my bq is flasing 37 times to boot into normal mode :(
[23:11] <studio__> last chance "ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/rc/bq-aquaris.en"
[23:12] <studio__> if that is also not working i am going back to android
[23:24] <studio__> ok, r22 is working after a reboot on the bq e4.5, so the problem is the ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed !!!