| ball | I'm using Ubuntu for the first time in quite a long while. | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| ball | For the most part I like it. | 00:04 |
| ball | It seems to work well on my daughter's computer. | 00:05 |
| ball | brb | 00:10 |
| diddledan | hmm, phpmyadmin just surprised me - I created a database and a database_dev and it grouped them in the interface | 00:11 |
| m0nkey_ | it does that | 00:18 |
| m0nkey_ | has done for a while | 00:18 |
| diddledan | I've not used it in forever | 00:18 |
| ball | Wht does a database_dev do? | 00:19 |
| * m0nkey_ thorws ball the extra I and L to attach to the word. | 00:20 | |
| ball | I /knew/ there was something dodgy about database people! ;-) | 00:23 |
| diddledan | ball: I meant database as a generic term for a named database - the point was the _dev was appended to the name of another database | 00:24 |
| diddledan | so I created <databasename> and <databasename>_dev | 00:24 |
| ball | Oh, does _dev just signify the development version of a database? | 00:25 |
| diddledan | it's purely semantic - I just chose _dev arbitrarily to mean just that | 00:26 |
| m0nkey_ | diddledan, http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608025 | 00:26 |
| * ball nods | 00:26 | |
| ball | I get it now. Thanks for explaining. | 00:26 |
| m0nkey_ | Weird cpu cooler | 00:26 |
| m0nkey_ | I ordered | 00:26 |
| diddledan | o_O | 00:26 |
| diddledan | double decker! | 00:27 |
| m0nkey_ | 120mm & 92mm fans | 00:27 |
| diddledan | that really is weird | 00:27 |
| m0nkey_ | they say it's comptable with my board, hopefully it is | 00:27 |
| m0nkey_ | In fact, I ordered two different ones. This is the second. | 00:28 |
| m0nkey_ | Turned out the first I ordered wasn't suitable for my TDP | 00:28 |
| diddledan | :-( | 00:28 |
| m0nkey_ | I got to return the first one. Which would have been perfect. | 00:28 |
| m0nkey_ | My case is already full of Noctua fans | 00:31 |
| m0nkey_ | I'm kinda a fan (heh, get it?) of Noctua | 00:31 |
| m0nkey_ | I found the stock Intel cooler not to be up to snuff | 00:33 |
| m0nkey_ | Especially for gaming | 00:34 |
| m0nkey_ | However, I have the same Intel cooler in my NAS which has a E3 Xeon. That one seems to be just fine. | 00:34 |
| ball | Oh that's weird. I quite Rhythmbox but it's still playing music. | 00:44 |
| m0nkey_ | It does that | 00:44 |
| ball | I HUPped it. | 00:44 |
| ball | That put it out of its misery. | 00:45 |
| m0nkey_ | Why? Go to the volume control and stop it | 00:45 |
| m0nkey_ | HUP is more reload, TERM is to shutdown gracefully | 00:45 |
| m0nkey_ | -9 is BURN IT WITH FIRE! | 00:45 |
| diddledan | -9 == -KILL? | 00:45 |
| m0nkey_ | kill -9 | 00:46 |
| m0nkey_ | Basically pull the rug from under it's feet. | 00:46 |
| diddledan | no, I mean `kill -9` == `kill -KILL`? | 00:46 |
| m0nkey_ | -TERM is happier | 00:46 |
| m0nkey_ | -9 or -KILL... -9 is shorter :D | 00:46 |
| === m0nkey__ is now known as m0nkey_ | ||
| ball | m0nkey_: HUP did the job. | 01:57 |
| ball | HUP is a hang-up, which is what I wanted. | 01:57 |
| ball | Does ubuntu ship with a GUI-based text editor? | 01:58 |
| ball | (with search and replace)? | 01:58 |
| ball | Oh, found it. | 01:59 |
| diddledan | gedit | 01:59 |
| zmoylan-pi | and about 50,000 more are available... | 02:00 |
| m0nkey_ | vim-gtk | 02:07 |
| ball | gedit worked. | 02:07 |
| knightwise | morning peeps | 06:10 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| MooDoo | morning all | 07:53 |
| directhex_ | yes, it is! | 07:53 |
| directhex_ | new car day :D | 07:53 |
| MooDoo | yay | 07:53 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 08:25 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Bat Appreciation Day! :-D | 09:03 |
| directhex_ | more importantly, happy directhex's new car day | 09:06 |
| JamesTait | And happy JamesTait's new MTB drivetrain day. :) | 09:07 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: close enough right https://www.pinterest.com/pin/135319163775397306/ ← popey you'll like this one :) | 09:10 |
| popey | catman | 09:10 |
| davmor2 | popey: that has to be it's name and do you think they go in the garden and shout "Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, Dinner Catman" to call hime in? | 09:11 |
| davmor2 | -e | 09:12 |
| foobarry | http://boingboing.net/2015/04/16/scythe-vs-weedwhacker.html | 09:15 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 09:15 |
| JamesTait | davmor2, nice! :) | 09:17 |
| foobarry | well, i liked all of the origami except the winner which was lame! | 09:17 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: sneaky see nearly caterday so drop in cat on bat appreciation day :D | 09:21 |
| popey | the winner had more 'likes' | 09:22 |
| foobarry | ah that old chestnut | 09:22 |
| foobarry | i think thats why people often do "the 5 with most likes will be entered into a final where the judges choose" | 09:23 |
| popey | yeah, that would have been better | 09:23 |
| foobarry | but hey, its a free comp | 09:24 |
| foobarry | they can do what they like | 09:24 |
| foobarry | i was gonna do a unicorn and airbrush the completed thing it in rainbow colours but i got sick :( | 09:25 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| diddledan | morning | 10:20 |
| popey | Yes. | 10:21 |
| shauno | :( | 10:21 |
| shauno | this morning seems to be filled with nonsensical tickets from strange countries. I was in no way prepared for this when I crawled out of bed. | 10:22 |
| diddledan | lol | 10:22 |
| shauno | Subject: objects fled far away | 10:22 |
| shauno | "Dear Colleagues, recently I faced with the problem that some of our customers moved in Afghanistan, but they were in Russia. When I try to return object in the desired Russia it disappeared. Have someone of you have this problem and is it a possibility to return the object back." | 10:22 |
| shauno | (I wouldn't bother reading it twice, it doesn't seem to help) | 10:23 |
| diddledan | err | 10:23 |
| zmoylan-pi | send them a cardboard box and a few stamps? :-) | 10:26 |
| shauno | well, I think there's a very obvious answer. I'm just struggling to put it into polite terms. | 10:28 |
| zmoylan-pi | ah well, if you're polite the message has no chance to penetrate that skull... | 10:28 |
| foobarry | write an asnwer and then google translate it into another language and then back again | 10:41 |
| zmoylan-pi | or run it through 3 different languages to maximise the distortion | 10:42 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| MooDoo | yay | 11:39 |
| zmoylan-pi | realised it's friday or discovered a fiver in pocket you didn't know you had... | 11:40 |
| davmor2 | popey, JamesTait : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2DCExerOsA a suggestion for the name of the release :D | 11:44 |
| TwistedLucidity | davmor2: Wibbling Walrus? | 11:58 |
| foobarry | woolly woofter? | 12:01 |
| foobarry | (1980s schoolboy insult) | 12:01 |
| TwistedLucidity | Wacky Wombat | 12:02 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch | ||
| TwistedLucidity | So I tried some ramdisk network transfers and got ~71MB/s. About 50% of network capacity. A wee bitty better, still suspect I have some config issues. | 12:10 |
| knightwise | Elementary Freya = prrrretty ! | 12:21 |
| knightwise | have the vm running on a 29 inch widescreen monitor (fullscreen) and its gorgeous | 12:21 |
| knightwise | and pretty snappy too! | 12:22 |
| foobarry | yeah its lovely | 12:24 |
| foobarry | one feature i like is.. | 12:24 |
| foobarry | you get notifications on actions that you ran in the terminal if you susequently switch windows | 12:25 |
| foobarry | e.g. apt-get dist-upgrade, start using chrome in full screen, get a little notification to say the upgrade finished | 12:26 |
| foobarry | also ctrl-c and ctrl-v work in terminal as copy paste in context aware manner | 12:26 |
| knightwise | that is SOO pretty | 12:34 |
| foobarry | maybe compiz conditioned me into expecting poor performance, but its super fast too innit? | 12:36 |
| foobarry | try it on bare metal... | 12:36 |
| ali1234 | ctrl-c copies in the terminal?? | 12:39 |
| ali1234 | have we found a desktop even more stupid than GNOME? | 12:40 |
| zmoylan-pi | that would be nice | 12:40 |
| davmor2 | foobarry: unity8 is much faster than unity7 too :) | 12:40 |
| ali1234 | everything is faster than compiz | 12:41 |
| === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g | ||
| TwistedLucidity | I remember checking it out a while back (pre-Freya). It did look good. | 12:46 |
| TwistedLucidity | CTRL-C/V in the terminal catches me out all the time | 12:46 |
| zmoylan-pi | it should *just* work :-) | 12:46 |
| foobarry | ali1234: its context aware | 12:47 |
| foobarry | http://www.veeam.com/endpoint-backup-free.html << for you windows users | 12:47 |
| ali1234 | i don't really see how it can be context aware in a meaningful way | 12:48 |
| foobarry | . If there is some text selected and you press Ctrl+C it will copy the selected text to clipboard. If no text is selected the default behavior will be applied (end process signal will be sent). | 12:48 |
| TwistedLucidity | That's pretty neat. In a dangerous sort of way | 12:48 |
| foobarry | you can disable it if you wish, | 12:48 |
| foobarry | ctrl-c only kills a running command that isn't in background, which is usually poor practice | 12:49 |
| ali1234 | i can see it going badly | 12:49 |
| foobarry | thats the kneejerks reaction | 12:49 |
| ali1234 | if you want to copy something from the output of a running process | 12:49 |
| ali1234 | and it scrolls when you are trying to select, clearing the selection | 12:50 |
| ali1234 | and then you accidentally kill it | 12:50 |
| foobarry | measure twice , cut once, or use middle button :D | 12:50 |
| ali1234 | i always use middle button | 12:50 |
| ali1234 | hat's one reason why i don't like GNOME | 12:50 |
| foobarry | me too, mianly from habit, although when i have to use a windows VDI session i get annoyed | 12:51 |
| knightwise | I think gnome3 is pretty slick | 12:51 |
| foobarry | i tried gnome3 for 6 months and couldn't hack it | 12:51 |
| foobarry | no looking back from elementary after it released | 12:51 |
| * zmoylan-pi sticks with xfce for now | 12:52 | |
| TwistedLucidity | foobarry: Did you pay or did you cheat the system by stealing the F/OSS OS? :-P | 12:54 |
| knightwise | I had elementary running on my macbook air .. | 12:55 |
| knightwise | (bare metal) | 12:55 |
| knightwise | it wuzzz perfect ! | 12:55 |
| zmoylan-pi | past tense? | 12:56 |
| foobarry | funny about the elementary pay comments when i'm prety sure ubuntu tried that pay suggestion page for a while | 12:56 |
| popey | not quite the same | 12:57 |
| popey | they're similar, sure. | 12:57 |
| MooDoo | foobarry: wasn't there an uproar about it years ago? they still going on about it now? | 12:57 |
| popey | the comments about elementary were because they posted a blog entry telling people that they're "cheating" by downloading for zero | 12:57 |
| popey | the ubuntu one is still there, and we still get donations from it | 12:57 |
| TwistedLucidity | I don't think Canoncial insulted folks.... | 12:57 |
| popey | which we use to fund lots of things | 12:58 |
| popey | (including community developers going to conferences, hardware, event packages etc) | 12:58 |
| foobarry | popey: didn't they reword the blog almost immediately | 12:58 |
| popey | no, it took a lot of flak before they re-worded it | 12:59 |
| foobarry | they mainly encourage adding $$ to bountysource | 12:59 |
| foobarry | the same day though | 12:59 |
| popey | They also are a little creative with the truth about where the money goes | 12:59 |
| foobarry | i didn't even get to read the original as it happened and changed in a night i think | 12:59 |
| foobarry | https://www.bountysource.com/teams/elementary | 12:59 |
| popey | yeah, i think cassidy posted it and then went to bed | 12:59 |
| foobarry | as long as its not abused, then bountysource is a good idea | 13:00 |
| popey | It's a very pretty desktop, and they've got some nice touches. | 13:00 |
| foobarry | although i hope it doesn't mean that other bugs don't get fixed | 13:00 |
| foobarry | shame they fell out with joey omg as omg got a lot more boring since then | 13:01 |
| foobarry | (about 3 years ago now) | 13:01 |
| popey | they did? | 13:01 |
| popey | didn't know that. | 13:01 |
| foobarry | yeah | 13:01 |
| foobarry | got a bit frosty | 13:01 |
| foobarry | they are on talking terms again now | 13:01 |
| foobarry | but at one point it was a bit awkward | 13:01 |
| foobarry | joey used to promote them all the time , most days | 13:02 |
| popey | i think joey gets flak from readers for talking about !ubuntu | 13:02 |
| popey | mind you he gets flak from everyone | 13:03 |
| foobarry | i think the disagreement was related to people (inc joey) who suggested they do a ppa for easy access to elementary but the e guys had their goal of making distinct OS | 13:03 |
| foobarry | i gues elemetnary just started as a cool theme back in the day | 13:07 |
| popey | yeah | 13:08 |
| popey | having a ppa would dilute their brand | 13:08 |
| shauno | it still feels like it pretty much is a ppa? it still uses the ubuntu repos, just adds theirs too | 13:08 |
| foobarry | lots of dinstrict things now though | 13:08 |
| foobarry | everything is different | 13:08 |
| popey | if you install freya, you get ubuntu packages and their ppa | 13:08 |
| foobarry | even the greeter, terminal, window manager, etc | 13:08 |
| popey | although I dont see any doc on how they made the iso | 13:08 |
| popey | so no way of knowing what else is in there | 13:09 |
| foobarry | you can build yourself, | 13:09 |
| popey | ubuntu + ppa ? | 13:09 |
| foobarry | since thats what teh kiddies were doing pre release | 13:09 |
| shauno | I had a poke around with it, fairly superficially, but noticed they're still using the normal repo, that's all | 13:09 |
| foobarry | all the desktop env is not common to ubuntu though | 13:09 |
| popey | this is one reason why I think cinnamon got rid of their stable ppa. | 13:09 |
| popey | because if you make it too easy to install your special sauce on ubuntu, what's the point of you existing? | 13:10 |
| popey | someone could do as we did with ubuntu mate, and create a derivative which bypasses them | 13:10 |
| popey | I think that would worry them. | 13:10 |
| foobarry | make it easy = more users | 13:10 |
| foobarry | separate iso = different brand different ideologoy | 13:10 |
| shauno | stop telling your uses they're pirates = more users | 13:11 |
| ali1234 | what prevents anyone from just downloading all the src debs and putting them in a ppa? | 13:11 |
| popey | do we know for sure every package on the iso came from the ppa or archive? | 13:11 |
| popey | if so, yeah, anyone could do that | 13:11 |
| ali1234 | if we don't know that, why don't we know that? | 13:11 |
| foobarry | i think u guys are looking for issues where there aren't any | 13:12 |
| ali1234 | i think the issue is more with ubuntu | 13:12 |
| foobarry | i ran ubuntu+ppa= elementary for ages | 13:12 |
| popey | I'm not looking for any issues. | 13:12 |
| ali1234 | it should be reproducable and self-hosting | 13:12 |
| foobarry | and realised some stuff didn't work right (notifications , screen lock etc) | 13:12 |
| foobarry | make ur own iso and be different, | 13:12 |
| foobarry | not just another ubuntu | 13:13 |
| ali1234 | i should be able to apt-get install launchpad and have it ready to squeeze out ISOs in under a day | 13:13 |
| ali1234 | and those ISOs should be binary identical to the official ones | 13:13 |
| popey | launchpad doesn't build ISOs | 13:13 |
| ali1234 | it does however build all the packages in those ISOs | 13:13 |
| popey | indeed. | 13:13 |
| popey | but the isos are built elsewhere | 13:13 |
| popey | !info germinate | 13:13 |
| popey | bah | 13:13 |
| lubotu3` | germinate (source: germinate): expand dependencies in a list of seed packages. In component main, is optional. Version 2.18 (utopic), package size 19 kB, installed size 89 kB | 13:14 |
| popey | and other stuff :) | 13:14 |
| ali1234 | it's good that debian is starting to adopt the reproducible build stuff | 13:16 |
| ali1234 | https://reproducible.debian.net/unstable/stats_pkg_state.png | 13:17 |
| directhex_ | mono 4 is reproducible by default, that's a couple of hundred more packages once it goes into the archive | 13:22 |
| directhex_ | ali1234: did you see my proof-of-concept for inserting a backdoor into debian, and why reproducible builds would help? | 13:25 |
| ali1234 | no | 13:25 |
| directhex_ | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2wz8gp/debian_working_on_reproducible_builds/covlz8r | 13:26 |
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| MooDoo | directhex_: why would you want a back door? | 13:29 |
| popey | proof of concept | 13:29 |
| MooDoo | ah | 13:29 |
| directhex_ | MooDoo: i wouldn't personally. but an "evil" debian developer could inject whatever they liked into packages used by thousands or millions of people | 13:30 |
| MooDoo | directhex_: i was speed reading and missed the important part lol | 13:30 |
| directhex_ | an apache patch which accepts a special handshake to give local access, fr'example | 13:30 |
| foobarry | directhex_: you are proposing test rebuilds of all binaries and checking hashes? | 13:30 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: to get into the garden normally :P | 13:30 |
| ali1234 | foobarry: he's not proposing it, debian is | 13:30 |
| directhex_ | foobarry: the reproducible builds project proposes this | 13:30 |
| directhex_ | foobarry: we altered mono's compiler to support it | 13:31 |
| foobarry | oh, i read your comment but not the link :D | 13:31 |
| MooDoo | directhex_: just wated a video about debian LTS was quite interesting shame they don't have the money or the amount of developers | 13:31 |
| foobarry | "Debian is working on a new project named “reproducible builds” with the stated goal – It should be possible to reproduce, byte for byte, every build of every package in Debian. " | 13:31 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: shush you lol | 13:31 |
| foobarry | i assumed/thought that was already in place... | 13:31 |
| ali1234 | foobarry: not even close unfortunately | 13:31 |
| directhex_ | foobarry: nope | 13:31 |
| directhex_ | foobarry: for the mono example (which i'm most familiar with), .net binaries contain a timestamp, and a GUID, when compiled | 13:32 |
| ali1234 | far too many things embed the hostname of the build machine too | 13:32 |
| foobarry | surprised debian accepts binaries - the binaries that get put on an iso are surely builds from source though? | 13:33 |
| directhex_ | foobarry: nope! | 13:33 |
| foobarry | oh | 13:33 |
| foobarry | launchpad does though? | 13:33 |
| directhex_ | yes! | 13:33 |
| foobarry | which is probably where my assumption came from, and redhat/centos | 13:33 |
| directhex_ | all launchpad builds are from source... assuming you trust the launchpad sysadmin ^_^ | 13:33 |
| foobarry | i couldn foresee a situation where something bad happens and everyone says "how could this have been allowed to happen!" | 13:35 |
| foobarry | could* | 13:35 |
| foobarry | in debian | 13:35 |
| popey | there was a debian talk at fosdem this year where this was discussed (among other things) | 13:35 |
| popey | and the "dirty secret" that some packages in the debian archive were built on developer machines | 13:35 |
| popey | not on buildds | 13:35 |
| foobarry | yay my grass seed and fork arrived. | 13:35 |
| popey | http://video.fosdem.org/2015/devroom-distributions/distributions_boring_solved_problem.mp4 | 13:36 |
| directhex_ | almsot every package, in fact | 13:36 |
| directhex_ | the debian archive *requires* that devs submit binary packages. the buildd network will compile on other arches as needed | 13:37 |
| directhex_ | e.g. for mono, i compile on my amd64 laptop, which generates amd64 and arch-independent packages. the debian buildd network does the arm, mips, etc, builds | 13:37 |
| directhex_ | so for every package, one arch (usually amd64 or i386) was done on the developer's pc | 13:38 |
| popey | blimey, didn't realise it was as "bad" as that | 13:38 |
| directhex_ | this status quo hasn't been fixed, for 2 reasons: 1) there are 3 packages that cannot be built on amd64 or i386, but are arch:all once compiled. and we have no way to represent this state in a build-everything-on-debian-infra way | 13:38 |
| directhex_ | 2) it's felt that without requiring binaries, devs might upload buggy source packages that don't in fact compile | 13:39 |
| foobarry | today i learned what a hoe is for | 13:40 |
| bashrc_ | nice | 13:43 |
| popey | for growing pumpkins in minecraft | 13:43 |
| foobarry | apparently its the ideal tool for removing small weeds in your shrub beds | 13:43 |
| foobarry | my life will never be the same | 13:44 |
| MooDoo | foobarry: i'm with popey ;) | 13:47 |
| foobarry | one day i'll actually play MC | 13:48 |
| foobarry | when its free on android | 13:48 |
| * bashrc_ has never played MC | 13:48 | |
| davmor2 | foobarry: it's also useful for quickly chopping in fertiliser to help plant grow too | 13:50 |
| foobarry | ah, nice | 13:50 |
| foobarry | or grass seed perhaps? | 13:50 |
| davmor2 | foobarry: no you don't plant grass you lay it on top | 13:51 |
| * diddledan restrains comments about hoes | 13:51 | |
| foobarry | dutch hoes no less | 13:51 |
| diddledan | oh myy | 13:51 |
| diddledan | reminds me of the story of the lad with his finger | 13:52 |
| davmor2 | foobarry: then you spend an age trying to stop the bird eating it all | 13:52 |
| diddledan | lol | 13:52 |
| foobarry | i bought a net | 13:52 |
| shauno | oooh, just got home to find new phone waiting for me | 14:03 |
| diddledan | what'd ya get? | 14:03 |
| shauno | this ubuntu one. I was nosey | 14:03 |
| diddledan | heh | 14:03 |
| shauno | oh. I need a new simcard though. oops | 14:06 |
| diddledan | heh | 14:07 |
| diddledan | there's too many different sizes these days | 14:07 |
| foobarry | i use scissors | 14:11 |
| knightwise | i'll be moving over to my ubuntu phone fulltime | 14:11 |
| shauno | scissors won't make my card bigger | 14:11 |
| foobarry | been locked out of my account 5 times in 2 days :( | 14:14 |
| foobarry | my work account | 14:14 |
| shauno | hm. reboot loop. oops | 14:17 |
| popey | shauno: feel free to join #ubuntu-touch if you want to shout at ubuntu phone devs :) | 14:21 |
| shauno | lol, not yet. I want to play with it enough that I'm not just whining because it's different | 14:22 |
| popey | well, a boot loop is an issue :) | 14:22 |
| shauno | (although yes, first boot, into the indicators, it told me I had to upgrade, so I did. it never came back) | 14:22 |
| shauno | well, not 'had to', but I figure it's usually a good idea because your platforms itterate fast | 14:23 |
| popey | never came back? | 14:23 |
| shauno | it gets to the bq screen, then just flashes on and off like a belisha beacon | 14:25 |
| shauno | so I did up&power until it gave me a little text menu, tried 'normal boot', it did it again. so this time I'm trying 'recovery', which I'm assuming is the sadface | 14:25 |
| shauno | hm, nope, recovery goes back to the belisha beacon, just takes longer to get there | 14:27 |
| popey | would be helpful to raise this in #ubuntu-touch | 14:28 |
| popey | so we can a) debug and b) fix | 14:28 |
| shauno | fair enough. gonna go for coffee first though. let it sit and think | 14:28 |
| shauno | with so few buttons, it seems your options are "press things" or "leave it alone". and I've already tried the first | 14:28 |
| diddledan | push all the things! | 14:39 |
| foobarry | get on a webcam and stream it to the phone chan | 14:49 |
| shauno | heh, it's back | 14:50 |
| shauno | I think perhaps the upgrade/reboot process is just quite noisy .. it just doesn't look convincing | 14:50 |
| shauno | getting there :) trying to put an imap client on now (it comes with gmail but not email :( | 14:51 |
| diddledan | wait, gmail isn't email? | 14:54 |
| diddledan | :-p | 14:54 |
| diddledan | </troll> | 14:54 |
| shauno | don't get me started :p | 14:54 |
| diddledan | popey: the audio on that fosdem video you posted is terrible - it's silent and then suddenly REALLY LOUD BREATHING and then silent again | 14:58 |
| diddledan | popey: the ubuntu podcast does way better than that :-D | 14:59 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| shauno | lol, I just found popey in the store | 15:01 |
| diddledan | yey? | 15:01 |
| diddledan | what's he doing in the store? | 15:01 |
| diddledan | can you watch him browsing through the shelveS? | 15:01 |
| shauno | telling me the weather, it seems | 15:01 |
| shauno | I assume it's the same pope, it has that little confused smiley face | 15:01 |
| diddledan | is it inappropriate to call popey the holy papa? | 15:02 |
| shauno | yes. you're creepy enough when you're trying not to be | 15:02 |
| diddledan | lol | 15:03 |
| diddledan | .. since when have I ever tried not to be creepy? | 15:03 |
| knightwise | diddledan: you couldn't if you tried | 15:12 |
| shauno | pft, I need ubuntu to use the ubuntu-sdk? people yell at apple for that :p | 15:31 |
| popey | you can use vim and adb | 15:34 |
| shauno | adb is in the android sdk? I think it'll be easier to stick ubuntu in a VM lol | 15:35 |
| popey | its in the repo | 15:39 |
| popey | and the sdk ppa | 15:39 |
| shauno | ah ok. I found the instructions, but still installing ubuntu so hadn't go that far | 15:41 |
| Myrtti | could someone remind me again how I can find the old kernel packages I can remove to free up space from /boot+ | 15:55 |
| * bashrc_ wonders why /boot isn't bigger by default | 15:56 | |
| Myrtti | because I made it that way, probably | 15:56 |
| zmoylan-pi | sudo apt-get autoremove? | 15:56 |
| daftykins | apt-get autoremove will remove some older ones, but if you've really got some old cruft on there you should use... | 15:56 |
| bashrc_ | I've also had the same issue in the past. There is a way of clearing out old kernels | 15:56 |
| daftykins | "dpkg -l | grep linux-image" | 15:56 |
| daftykins | or just look in /boot and and remove linux-image-3.x.0-##-generic for example | 15:57 |
| zmoylan-pi | i got 1/4 gb back when i ran it :-) | 15:57 |
| bashrc_ | but these days it's not as if we're pushed for HDD/SDD space, so I don't know why that partition isn't made bigger by default | 15:57 |
| daftykins | /boot hasn't been a partition for years | 15:57 |
| Myrtti | it is if you've got encryption | 15:57 |
| daftykins | in fact i'm not even sure if the installer ever made it one | 15:58 |
| bashrc_ | yes | 15:58 |
| daftykins | well yeah but you have only to look at the number of tears falling down peoples faces in #ubuntu to have feelings about encryption there :D | 15:58 |
| bashrc_ | I always use full disk encryption these days | 15:58 |
| daftykins | plus its' major bugs such as yeah - making a tiny /boot | 15:58 |
| Myrtti | The upgrade needs a total of 99,0 M free space on disk '/boot'. Please free at least an additional 20,5 M of disk space on '/boot'. Empty your trash and remove temporary packages of former installations using 'sudo apt-get clean'. | 15:59 |
| Myrtti | bah | 15:59 |
| daftykins | Myrtti: yeah, so list the kernels? :) | 16:00 |
| bashrc_ | I suggest that this kind of stuff should be automatic these days | 16:00 |
| daftykins | or you might have root 5% reserved on which'd take some | 16:00 |
| daftykins | a quick tune2fs to disable that might help a tiny bit | 16:01 |
| daftykins | well it is with autoremove - but you can't go stealing someones older kernels automatically :) you need a fallback sometimes | 16:01 |
| bashrc_ | true, but the average user probably doesn't need to keep five kernels and when this problem occurs it breaks system updates | 16:02 |
| daftykins | only for those with nuts partitioning :> so as long as the encrypted /boot size has been fixed in the installer, it should be good | 16:03 |
| Myrtti | I swear to god I already uninstalled these once | 16:04 |
| daftykins | use purge perhaps | 16:04 |
| daftykins | i did have someone the other day who i told to remove them, then they were still there in /boot - was a bit weird | 16:05 |
| Myrtti | yeah, purge is a given | 16:05 |
| daftykins | i don't think so, not normally necessary | 16:06 |
| davmor2 | m/me listening to Stairway to Heaven LOUD why cause it's still sounds great :D | 16:42 |
| davmor2 | -m at front don't know where that came from | 16:42 |
| zmoylan-pi | that's the keyboard vibrating under your hands... | 16:44 |
| daftykins | :> | 16:51 |
| * daftykins does a Waynes World and points at the "No Stairway" sign in the music shop | 16:51 | |
| zmoylan-pi | denied... | 16:57 |
| davmor2 | 404: Stairway not found | 17:02 |
| daftykins | hahaha | 17:02 |
| daftykins | i finally reinstalled my web server VM to trusty last night \o/ | 17:02 |
| daftykins | very smooth just scp'ing over the document root, setting up a clean install with the same passwords then a quick mysql dump of the database and restore | 17:03 |
| daftykins | but my word how the apache2 configs have changed since 10.04 :P | 17:03 |
| zmoylan-pi | ok i want to see this film :-D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72RqpItxd8M&feature=youtu.be | 17:04 |
| daftykins | can you say what it is so i don't have to click? ;) | 17:04 |
| intrbiz | daftykins: is 10.04 Apache 2.0 ? | 17:05 |
| zmoylan-pi | and miss out the supreme 80ness and cliche ridden wonderfull ness of kung fury?? :-) | 17:06 |
| shauno | reminds me of one I heard re: traffic volumes. a highway to hell vs a stairway to heaven | 17:06 |
| daftykins | intrbiz: yip | 17:06 |
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| shauno | curious, does android have a swipe-action on every edge like this too? | 17:28 |
| brobostigon | like this? ubuntu touch? | 17:28 |
| shauno | yeah | 17:29 |
| brobostigon | not on its own, but there is certain sw to add similer, yes. | 17:29 |
| brobostigon | like gmd gesturecontrol. | 17:30 |
| shauno | hm, okay. just curious where they got that idea from. most of it's pretty logical, bar that | 17:33 |
| Myrtti | where did I see someone giving a tip on Chrome on HiDPI? | 17:33 |
| Myrtti | was it popey | 17:34 |
| popey | no | 17:34 |
| Myrtti | it was yesterday or today... gah | 17:34 |
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| === Maybe_Krenair is now known as Krenair | ||
| shauno | well, I'm curious to see what I can build on it. but I'm not sure I'll actually use it as a phone. the UI is just way too combersome | 18:09 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo, popey: you guys should be owld enough to know the lyrics "Please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and style" | 18:14 |
| ali1234 | shauno: the android camera app has edge swiping | 18:19 |
| ali1234 | most apps don't have an action on every single edge | 18:20 |
| ali1234 | most of the standard ones use the left edge for opening the sidebar | 18:20 |
| shauno | I think I'm just frustrated because the most common thing I find myself doing is repeatedly trying to hit the little < to go back a page | 18:20 |
| shauno | eg, read an email, go to read the next email .. you're stabbing tiny targets to get back to the mailbox | 18:21 |
| shauno | there's probably a lot of ios bias there where that's what I assume the left side is for | 18:21 |
| shauno | but I'm not sure it helps that while you can swipe left/right on the header bar in scopes, you can't do the same for the header bar anywhere else | 18:22 |
| ali1234 | ingmail the left and right edges move to the previous/next email thread when in message view | 18:22 |
| ali1234 | in mailbox view it opens the sidebar | 18:22 |
| ali1234 | oh and you don't need to swipe from the edge | 18:22 |
| ali1234 | also theres two back buttons, the OS one at the bottom and one in the top left | 18:23 |
| shauno | right, I'm on the ubuntu one .. no hardware back | 18:23 |
| ali1234 | my phone can't reliably tell the difference between a swipe and a tap anyway | 18:23 |
| ali1234 | oh yeah the ubuntu UI is a bit strange | 18:23 |
| ali1234 | it used to be you had to swipe up from the bottom to open a menu before you could even see the back button | 18:23 |
| ali1234 | i don't know what it's like these days but i heard they got rid of that bottom menu entirely | 18:24 |
| shauno | (I'd also love to know how to stop the 'vibrate any time I tap anything' thing. I thought I turned it off in the settings, but a couple of apps still do it regardless) | 18:25 |
| ali1234 | report bugs | 18:25 |
| ali1234 | then go to irc and complain loudly | 18:25 |
| ali1234 | then when they sarcastically ask if you reported a bug, whip out the URL | 18:26 |
| daftykins | ali1234: not very funny to enable #ubuntu-ees to act even more atrociously :( | 18:41 |
| daftykins | unless this is another thing :D | 18:41 |
| ali1234 | what is ubuntu-ees? | 18:42 |
| diddledan | is it time to stop working yet? | 19:14 |
| diddledan | ooh, I got a reply from canonical legal :-) | 21:17 |
| diddledan | "we're looking into your request and will get back to you shortly" | 21:18 |
| intrbiz | diddledan: request for what? | 21:22 |
| diddledan | trademark usage | 21:23 |
| shauno | o_O | 21:27 |
| popey | for what? | 21:30 |
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| ali1234 | Azelphur: do you know of a self-hosted video streaming platform like twitch.tv? | 23:02 |
| ali1234 | (or anyone else) | 23:02 |
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