[04:04] <lotuspsychje> https://twitter.com/ubuntu
[04:04] <lotuspsychje> alot of cool news again :p
[04:23] <wayne_> hi everyone.  how do I back up my ubuntu phone before attempting re-flash? On desktop I just basically save my home directory but how with mobile? Thanks!
[04:23] <wayne_> Like I don't want to lose mjy contacts and what have you.
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> wayne_: copy contacts to your sim
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> wayne_: or install the phablets tools on your ubuntu pc, and backup your phone
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> wayne_: check topic install url for phablet tools
[04:47] <wayne_> lotuspsychje: thanks a lot. I have phablet tools.  Didn't know I can use that
[04:47] <wayne_> lotuspsychje: also didn't know I can copy to sim. I will try to figure that out.
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> wayne_: didnt test myself
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> but with pahblet tools you can copy stuff for sure
[04:49] <wayne_> lotuspsychje: ok.
[04:50] <wayne_> lotuspsychje: you would think there would be a simple 'backup phone' button on the main setting screen that prompts you to insert USB.. or perhaps ubuntu one connection or owncloud...
[04:53] <wayne_> lotuspsychje: i think this might be best. I remember some dudes talkinga bout sync revolution or evolution or something.  this link seems to have something http://askubuntu.com/questions/365675/backup-export-contacts-from-ubuntu-touch-official-launch-r100-ubuntu-13-10-a
[04:54] <wayne_> lotuspsychje: thanks for your help gotta drop out and have a good night or morning or wherever you are. ;)
[05:31] <mtrh> hi
[06:37] <bqphone> good morning
[06:37] <bqphone> anyone here for quick help?
[06:42] <Sleep_Walker> just ask and if anyone (awake) knows  he'll answer
[06:49] <bqphone> Well first question how to remove a location from the weather app
[06:51] <bqphone> 2nd quesion i am failing to install pidgin and whatsapp, most guides are made for yowsup and now there is yowsup 2 << is there an easy way to get whatsapp or better wait till whatsapp make app for ubuntu phone?
[06:54] <DanChapman> bqphone: in "Edit locations" swipe the location to the right to delete it. And there is currently no app (that i know of) for whatsapp and I believe they don't like and will block users who use 3rdparty apps so it would be best  to wait for whatsapp to make an app for ubuntu
[06:55] <bqphone> location thing works, thanks mate
[06:55] <DanChapman> np
[06:55] <bqphone> any other place where i can see latest apps made for ubuntu phone?
[06:55] <DanChapman> bqphone: uappexplorer.com/ is a good place you can sort by all different criteria
[06:55] <Sleep_Walker> I don't know WhatsApp, but there is some web client - this could be way to go for you
[06:58] <bqphone> cheers and have a good day both of you
[07:15] <knightwise> morning
[07:49] <guideX> does anyone know when I can get ubuntu phone in the us
[08:02] <knightwise> morning
[08:02] <knightwise> anyone tried the calendar app yet ?
[08:02] <dadexix86> good morning to all! bq device, r21 . I noticed a strange behaviour about the battery. It drains really quick in the beginning, going from 100% to around 80% in the first hour and then it drains more slowly. is it a known behaviour? if not, do you think that I should report a bug?
[08:02] <knightwise> ive installed it and marked both of my google caendars to sync but .... they dont sync
[08:03] <dadexix86> knightwise, I was using it daily, before the sync with google broke
[08:03] <knightwise> ah good to hear i'm not the only one
[08:04] <knightwise> i hope they fix it quickly
[08:04] <knightwise> is there also something like a native mail app that supports google mail ?
[08:04] <knightwise> or just the webapps
[08:04] <dadexix86> knightwise, it is bug #1442931
[08:04] <dadexix86> knightwise, for the mail app, I think that Dekko is the solution for you ;)
[08:04] <knightwise> ok , since i'm not a developer, all i can do is wait for the update :)
[08:05] <knightwise> dekke ?
[08:05] <knightwise> dekkO :) i'm gonna check that out , thanx dadexix86
[08:05] <dadexix86> knightwise, not really, you can mark the bug as affecting you
[08:05] <knightwise> ah dadexix86 that is an idea
[08:06] <knightwise> i never thought the "me too" posts were helpfull
[08:07] <knightwise> there :)
[08:07] <dadexix86> well, it helps raising the "heat" of the bug... (4 pts per user)
[08:07] <knightwise> I didn't know that actually. I always thought filing bugs was more for the devs.. i'm just a plain user :)
[08:09] <Sleep_Walker> what is the reason user are discouraged to install native packages through apt?
[08:09] <dadexix86> knightwise, there is no "plain user", we are all part of the same community ;) and if you can help in any way, then your help surely it is appreciated even if it is just a click ;)
[08:09] <knightwise> thats true.
[08:09] <knightwise> browsing forums I hated the "me too" posts but when it comes to a bugfix the actually have value
[08:10] <Sleep_Walker> well, clever forums separate weight into less disturbing contributions :b
[08:11] <knightwise> True.
[08:11] <knightwise> ok , so I have my phone, text, messaging (telegram) and mail working
[08:12] <dadexix86> knightwise, good! :D
[08:12] <knightwise> contacts are ok too. so all I need is a working calendar sync and the phone is good to go for daily use :)
[08:12] <knightwise> whatever i don't have i can bridge with the webapps so far
[08:12] <knightwise> but when the calendar issue gets fixed the "native" apps can start to carry my daily chores
[08:15] <knightwise> I love to experiment with it .. but I also run a company so .. stuff has to work you knw...
[08:24] <dadexix86> I ask again, maybe some of the new connected guys know the answer: I noticed a strange behaviour about the battery. It drains really quick in the beginning, going from 100% to around 80% in the first hour and then it drains more slowly. is it a known behaviour? if not, do you think that I should report a bug?
[08:35] <Giordano> salve, posso essporre il mio problema, ho smartphone acquarius 4.5 ubuntu ontouh vorrei sincronizarlo con nautilus, come devo fare? grazie
[08:37] <Giordano> hi, I can essporre my problem , I would like smartphones acquarius 4.5 ubuntu ontouh sincronizarlo with nautilus , how should I do ? thanks
[08:37] <Sleep_Walker> dadexix86: reporting bug won't hurt - but 1] this depends on your device and its drivers 2] you may have HW issue and 3] if your battery is not clever, fix may be just some better function for reporting percent value of capacity (but it really depends on 1] and 2])
[08:39] <Sleep_Walker> but maybe some developers or at least residents of this channel can give you better answer
[08:40] <Dragonkeeper> Sleep_Walker: battery can also decell so also depends on the age of the device
[08:40] <Sleep_Walker> exactly
[08:41] <Giordano> hi, I can essporre my problem , I would like smartphones acquarius 4.5 ubuntu ontouh sincronizarlo with nautilus , how should I do ? thanks
[08:45] <bqphone> hello there, i have installed dekko and gmail work greay, i have tried to add my hotmail to outlook.com option and its not accepting it, is that a bug or it doesnt accept hotmail?
[08:47] <DanChapman> bqphone: does hotmail use host address imap-mail.outlook.com?
[08:47] <bqphone> no idea to be honest
[08:47] <DanChapman> You could try going through the "Other account" option that will run our autodiscovery which should fetch the correct info
[08:48] <DanChapman> If it can't be found you will need to enter it manually
[08:48] <bqphone> i have tried but it gives same result
[08:48] <bqphone> how to add it manually?
[08:49] <bqphone> i normaly open my hotmail using outlook.com on my desktop
[08:52] <DanChapman> The "Other account" option if it can't find the correct settings it should expand to allow you to add the required values. Do you just see the red X next to username & password
[08:54] <bqphone> yea only x near username and pass nothing else
[08:55] <DanChapman> and does it not expand to allow you to input the values manually?
[08:56] <mokmeister> Would anyone here know if it is possible to put ubuntu touch onto a nabi 2 tablet?
[08:56] <bqphone> nop it doesnt expend
[08:56] <DanChapman> Going through the "Outlook" option will not expand as they have preset values
[08:57] <bqphone> also other doesn't expand
[08:57] <DanChapman> bqphone: hmm that sounds like a bug. Try putting a random character in each field and hit save. That should force it to expand
[08:58] <bqphone> not working
[08:58]  * Dragonkeeper stares at DanChapman, waiting for pop3 support. xD
[08:58] <DanChapman> Dragonkeeper: patches welcome :-p
[08:59] <bqphone> how to report it as a bug?
[08:59] <Dragonkeeper> :)
[09:02] <DanChapman> bqphone: what account type option is that using? "Other account"??  It can't not expand,  did you try scrolling up after hitting save?
[09:03] <DanChapman> bqphone: https://bugs.launchpad.net/dekko/+filebug
[09:05]  * DanChapman can't wait for all accounts to be handled in online accounts.
[09:05]  * Dragonkeeper can
[09:06] <bqphone> i did restart the telephone, now i got other options so i added imap.mail.outlook.com, i keep port 143?
[09:07] <bqphone> i can only see half port field so the number there is no clear
[09:08] <Dragonkeeper> iirc 143 is non encrypted port for imap  so id use 993
[09:08] <DanChapman> bqphone: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows/outlook/send-receive-from-app# should be the settings
[09:10] <bqphone> did add imap and 993 and encryption and still not working, i dont see field for outgoing server and port though
[09:11] <DanChapman> Keep scrolling up to get the outgoing server and port, it's all on one page
[09:12] <dadexix86> Giordano, if you want localized support it is better to go to a localized channel - se vuoi supporto in italiano vieni su #ubuntu-it
[09:13] <DanChapman> bqphone: also do you have 2 step verification setup on your hotmail account?
[09:14] <DanChapman> if so you may need to get an app specific password from https://account.live.com/Proofs/AppPassword
[09:14] <dadexix86> Dragonkeeper, the device is the bq, so pretty recent ;) Sleep_Walker do you know hot to investigate whether it is an hardware problem? I guess it is actually just the 3rd case of your answer (not clever scaling of the capacity)
[09:15] <Dragonkeeper> dadexix86: ah ok ive not noticed that bug
[09:16] <ogra_> dadexix86, are you on the latest image already ? (r21 ?)
[09:17] <dadexix86> Dragonkeeper, to me it happens only when on wifi. Charge it to 100% with wi-fi on, then remove the plug then in less than one hour your battery goes down and the "stabilizes" around 80% for some time. The graph looks like a descending parabola
[09:17] <Sleep_Walker> dadexix86: I have the device since yesterday, but it seems to be quite clever HW
[09:17] <dadexix86> ogra_, yes I am, rebooted also a couple of times after the update reboot.
[09:18] <Sleep_Walker> dadexix86: how many times have you fully charged the device?
[09:18] <ogra_> try checki0ng with top inteh terminal if there is some runaway process that eats your power
[09:18] <bqphone> thx DanChapman the link for apppassword fixed the problem
[09:20] <dadexix86> ogra_, nothing like that now (but I am already at around 80%, should I charge it and try?)
[09:20] <Dragonkeeper> dadexix86: mines almost charged, been  charging with wifi on this morning , i got work a bit later so if i notice it ill buzz u let u know  i am on r56 though
[09:21] <bqphone> i get now socket problem for imap-mail.outlook.com:993 the remote host closed the connection
[09:22] <bqphone> does gmail use 993 also?
[09:22] <Sleep_Walker> "Telegram mesages are heavily encrypted and can self-destruct" :D
[09:23] <DanChapman> bqphone: yeah blame m$ for that one they happily close the connection every 60 seconds. I have a work around in trunk, so it will be in the next update
[09:23] <bqphone> thats fine Dan the app looks great for gmail and for sure i can wait for the update :)
[09:24] <bqphone> last question but about something else, when i slide from right to left i see all the apps/webapps i opened. My question is how to close an open app/webapp ?
[09:25] <dadexix86> bqphone, swipe up/down, it is similar to android, but there you have to swipe right/left
[09:34] <ricsipontaz> Hi! Somebody can tell me where can I translate the Today scope?
[09:36] <popey> ricsipontaz: http://launchapd.net/today-scope file a bug that it's not translatable maybe?
[09:38] <ricsipontaz> popey: It is translated (to hungarian), but not complete.And If am right, It didn't translated by the community.
[09:38] <popey> hmm
[09:39] <ricsipontaz> NearBy scope too.
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> ricsipontaz: wich device are you on mate?
[09:40] <ricsipontaz> lotuspsychje: the bq
[09:41] <popey> ricsipontaz: I would file a bug though, that it's not community translatable
[09:41] <ricsipontaz> popey: Okay I'll do it. Thanks
[09:41] <popey> thank you
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> maybe the #ubuntu-hr community could also help popey ?
[09:42] <popey> sure
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> maybe someone owns a phone there
[09:42] <popey> once it's enabled for translations
[09:42] <popey> we have some hungarian people working for us too
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> nice
[09:42] <Dragonkeeper> just out of curiosity , where is the changelog for bq phone ubuntu updates ?
[09:43] <tnozyrox> hi, news about video calling with ubuntu-phone?
[09:43] <popey> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg12158.html links to some changed Dragonkeeper
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> tnozyrox: there is telegram, they might do video calls in the future, bit not now
[09:44] <Dragonkeeper> ty
[09:44] <ricsipontaz> popey: I translating Ubuntu and the phone too to hungarian, so it's not a problem. But I can't translate it, because it translated by someon else, and community can't access this translations to help with it.
[09:45] <dadexix86> ogra_, I guess that there is indeed some problem with the battery. upower says that energy, energy-full, energy-full-desing, energy-rate are all 0W. but then shows percentage: 74%
[09:45] <ogra_> thats fine ... it does that on all devices
[09:45] <tnozyrox> video calling and sirius are very important ...no Moda ... and made in Ubuntu :)
[09:45] <ricsipontaz> popey: I filled a bug.
[09:46] <ogra_> (it tries to read these values from desktop interfaces that dont exist)
[09:46] <lotuspsychje> tnozyrox: im sure someone will bring out an app someday
[09:46] <dadexix86> ogra_, ok I didn't know :)
[09:46] <Dragonkeeper> video calling could be done over wifi if someone ported tox and its qml client ... :D
[09:47] <ogra_> or just a simple webrtc server
[09:47] <ogra_> but for that the browser needs to get the webrtc support finished
[09:47] <popey> thanks ricsipontaz
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> did firefox have plans to integrate video calling in browser?
[09:48] <ogra_> they already have it
[09:48]  * Dragonkeeper should have been at work 75 mins ago , so he thinks he should get ready before his boss checks to see where he is
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> if we all send a mail to telegram crew, they might do some video calling :p
[09:51] <popey> they're well aware
[09:51] <popey> also
[09:51] <popey> it's a community app - anyone can contribute
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> oh, so its waiting until someone makes it hapen then
[09:53] <ogra_> send patches ;)
[10:00] <Dragonkeeper> o/
[10:02] <tnozyrox> thanks and good day to all :D
[10:37] <froyo> Hi
[10:37] <froyo> Is there anyone?
[10:41] <froyo> Hello :(
[10:41] <popey> !ask
[10:41] <froyo> !ask
[10:42] <popey> froyo: what's your question?
[10:44] <Trigo> hi
[10:45] <Trigo> hello :(, how can I develop apps for ubuntu touch?
[10:45] <Trigo> !patience
[10:48] <ahayzen> Trigo, i would start by reading this https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/ and for app development #ubuntu-app-devel is a good channel to ask in
[10:49] <Trigo> errm...without the physical device?
[10:52] <ahayzen> Trigo, you can use an emulator or run the apps in a window on the desktop
[10:52] <ahayzen> Trigo, https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/sdk/tutorials/using-the-ubuntu-emulator/
[10:53] <Trigo> I tried that, but can I ran the apps without the emulator? The emulator is so big.
[10:53] <ahayzen> yeah most of them will run fine on the desktop
[10:53] <ahayzen> just things like confinement aren't currently enforced
[10:54] <bqphone> using facebook app, it seems i cant watch videos there, is there a way to do so?
[10:55] <Trigo> So ahayzen, I don't need to set up emulator to run apps in the SDK? If yes, that would be great!
[10:55] <ahayzen> Trigo, yeah you can just run them from the SDK
[10:57] <Trigo> and...about other thing...you can package your app with GUI's right?
[10:57] <Trigo> because I'm not good with at packaging.
[10:58] <ahayzen> yeah you can
[10:58] <ahayzen> Trigo, https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/sdk/tutorials/running-apps-from-the-sdk/ go to the bottom the section "What are the benefits/caveats of each device type?"
[10:58] <ahayzen> Trigo, this one for packaging https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/publish/packaging-click-apps/
[11:00] <Trigo> Thanks for the links. :D
[11:00] <ahayzen> no problem
[11:01] <Trigo> Aha, also...is 32 bit computer can be a minimum development device?
[11:01] <Trigo> I tried Android SDK last time, but it giving me warning about 32 bit (need to !force run)
[11:02] <ahayzen> erm i assume it'll be ok i've used the SDK on a 32bit VM before IIRC
[11:05] <Trigo> I hope so
[11:29] <Sleep_Walker> are there any other bindings than for QML and HTML5?
[11:30] <Sleep_Walker> C++, python, ...
[11:31] <vitimiti> Qt(C++), for example?
[11:31] <vitimiti> And some JS, too
[14:45] <saurabhdare> I see error parsing line -- "import Ubuntu.Components 1.1
[14:46] <saurabhdare>  I selected QML app with qmake.
[15:07] <bqphone> how can i change the weather channel displaying temp from fehrenhite to celcius
[15:39] <popey> bqphone: in the weather app?
[16:11] <SturmFlut> Whoever improved battery life on the bq so much, she/he/they deserve(s) some kind of prize.
[16:18] <bqphone> yes popey, i went to the website and saved their the weather in C, but on the phone i get only with F
[16:18] <popey> there's a settings option in the app
[16:18] <popey> SturmFlut: yeah, it's impressive isn't it
[16:18] <popey> but then that's what happens when you have a strict policy on background apps :)
[16:20] <bqphone> in settings i see only location data
[16:21] <SturmFlut> jamesh__: Ping (well, I don't really think you would be here on a sunny saturday, but popey seems to never sleep so you guys from the UK might be very clever bots)
[16:23] <SturmFlut> popey: I would say "incredible". And there are *vast* differences in battery life between Android devices with similar hardware, so it might not just be related to background processes.
[16:27] <popey> bqphone: let me get a screenshot
[16:28] <popey> bqphone: this is settings inside the weather app itself
[16:28] <popey> bqphone: http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-04-18-172845.png
[16:29] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-04-18-172858.png
[16:31] <bqphone> well this one works perfect, but in the my weather channel which you see when you open your mobile, i see temp in F and its linked to a website m.weather.com
[16:32] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-04-18-173234.png
[16:32] <popey> that one bqphone ?
[16:32] <popey> i think that's linked to your locale.
[16:33] <FrameFever> I thought there will be a high end hardware ubuntu smartphone from a chinese company, when will it come?
[16:33] <popey> soon
[16:34] <FrameFever> it thought it should be released in barcelona
[16:34] <bqphone> yes popey
[16:34] <bqphone> how to change it ?
[16:34] <popey> i don't know.
[16:35] <bqphone> how did u get yours in C ?
[16:35] <popey> locale based I _think_
[16:35] <DanChapman> Is it not configurable in the weather scope settings? I presume that's where it's getting pulled from
[16:35] <popey> no
[16:35] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-04-18-173543.png
[16:35] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-04-18-173552.png
[16:36] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-04-18-173558.png
[16:36] <FrameFever> I mostly interested in the desktop feature of the ubuntu phone, when will this be available?
[16:36] <popey> we don't have an ETA for that
[16:36] <bqphone> popey how do u make those printscreens?
[16:36] <popey> i have a script
[16:37] <FrameFever> ETA?
[16:37] <bqphone> can i have the name if its not private?
[16:37] <popey> Estimated Time of Arrival
[16:37] <DanChapman> popey: ohright i see. It should be configurable from there imo and not based on locale.
[16:37] <popey> ya
[16:37] <popey> I agree
[16:38] <bqphone> well if u go to m.weather.com you can save in settings there C in place of F, but it keeps fetching them as F
[16:38] <popey> bqphone: you can also just press vol+ and vol-
[16:42] <bqphone> anyone know if there is a way to watch videos shared on facebook? the webapp doesnt allow you to do so
[16:54] <sjakie902> when i connect my phone(bq) with the usb cable to my laptop(kubuntu) i cant see my phone or mount it, any suggestions?
[16:54] <bqphone> just made a printscreen, thx popey now how to delete it?
[17:02] <dadexix86> sjakie902, kubuntu version?
[17:03] <sjakie902> 14.04
[17:04] <popey> sjakie902: is the phone unlocked?
[17:05] <sjakie902> yes it is unlocked
[17:06] <popey> hmm, does KDE support MTP browsing?
[17:07] <Dragonkeeper> a little bit off topic , but im having trouble with ubuntu 14.10 desktop and setting up nvidia cuda
[17:07] <popey> very offtopic - that's for #ubuntu
[17:07] <Dragonkeeper> +!
[17:07] <Dragonkeeper> alright :)
[17:11] <sjakie902> i will check the mtp browsing in kubuntu, cant seem to connect my androidphone as wel
[17:11] <sjakie902> thnx!
[17:16] <bqphone> really how to delete a picture or should i delete it using terminal?
[17:18] <popey> gallery, long press on a picture, choose delete from menu in top right
[17:19] <bqphone> ah gallery
[17:19] <SturmFlut> bqphone: or you can install the "File Manager" app, https://uappexplorer.com/app/com.ubuntu.filemanager , seems like it doesn't work with SD cards (yet) but the rest should work
[17:19] <bqphone> thx
[17:20] <popey> it does work with sd cards
[17:20] <popey> you have to "unlock" it once in the app
[17:23] <brunch875> Hello!
[17:35] <bqphone> thx SturmFlut the filemanager is great
[17:36] <bqphone> now is there an uninstaller program to get rid of the apps i dont need or use which are auto installed
[17:38] <SturmFlut> bqphone: You can long press on them ini the "Application" scope
[17:43] <bqphone> there are some other stuff i cant see in Application scopre for example bbc sports
[17:43] <bqphone> how can i remove that?
[17:44] <puppylove> hey guys. i'm looking to just install the touch tailored interface on a base chroot installation of ubuntu. which packages should i install?
[17:45] <puppylove> i have a lenovo s8 android tablet, so i woul djust be running ubuntu in chroot
[17:47] <SturmFlut> puppylove: The unity8 package should pull in all necessary packages, but I highly doubt it will run from a chroot on plain Android
[17:47] <puppylove> eh, will find out soon enoughi suppose. i got kde working on it earlier, wiped it though and trying something else
[17:48] <puppylove> thx
[17:54] <SturmFlut> puppylove: Do you have an X server running?
[17:54] <puppylove> not atm, i'm doing a reinstall of a small ubuntu image using the linuxdeploy app
[17:55] <puppylove> err, its installing an x server instance, but im not sure which one
[17:55] <puppylove> before i was controlling the OS via vnc
[17:55] <puppylove> however there is an app out there that functions as an x server i may try this time
[17:55] <puppylove> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=x.org.server
[17:55] <puppylove> that
[18:03] <SturmFlut> puppylove: Interesting!
[18:03] <puppylove> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ru.meefik.linuxdeploy
[18:04] <puppylove> that is what i used to install
[18:04] <puppylove> this probably helps. my tablet is an x86 based
[18:04] <puppylove> i haven't gotten x working yet, but could do ssh and vnc just fine
[18:05] <puppylove> just needed a small touch friendly install to run a few apps on the tablet
[18:06] <puppylove> gns3, wireshark, nmap, ham radio stuff
[18:06] <puppylove> sdr
[18:08] <puppylove> everything else i want to use this tablet for i can do within android itself
[18:08] <puppylove> actually come to think of it
[18:08] <puppylove> since i am running one of the newer atoms
[18:08] <puppylove> i wonder if linux steam and some low end linux steam games will work in it...
[18:17] <SturmFlut> puppylove: I tried to do a mostly unmodified installation of Ubuntu 15.04 on a Windows 8.1 tablet, including Unity8, but it was never stable because of the internal MMC flash
[18:18] <puppylove> dual boot, or idd you completely over write it?> which tablet?
[18:18] <SturmFlut> puppylove: If those geniuses at Google hadn't decided that an Android device can't be like a normal PC you could just install regular Ubuntu over Android, or have dual-boot
[18:19] <SturmFlut> puppylove: I removed the Windows installation, it's a Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet 8
[18:19] <puppylove> ah, i thought that was more or less a discretion of the device maker, not google itself
[18:19] <SturmFlut> puppylove: http://sturmflut.github.io/linux/ubuntu/2015/02/04/installing-ubuntu-on-baytrail-tablets-version-2/
[18:20] <SturmFlut> puppylove: No, Google defines the startup environment for Android. They could've just specified UEFI and ACPI back then, like Microsoft does with Windows. There was no technical reason to lock everybody else out
[18:21] <puppylove> lame
[18:23] <puppylove> that makes me a sad panda
[18:23] <SturmFlut> puppylove: In the end Android has now produced more locked-down devices than Windows was installed on in the last ten years, so I myself at least will never understand why some people still think of Google as an open and non-evil company
[18:24] <puppylove> perhaps less evil is a better descriptor
[18:25] <SturmFlut> puppylove: No. You can just deactivate Secure Boot on every current Windows tablet/PC/Desktop and install an unmodified x86 Linux, but you can't put an unmodified Linux distribution on any Android/ChromeOS device.
[18:25] <puppylove> oh, none of the windows tablets require a firmware flashing?
[18:25] <puppylove> hm
[18:26] <SturmFlut> puppylove: the Windows RT devices are ARM-based, they are locked down, but those aren't on sale anymore. All current devices are just Intel x86 chips with UEFI and ACPI. Go to the UEFI menu, turn off Secure Boot, plug in an USB stick and boot from it.
[18:27] <puppylove> windows rt was so obviously a boneheaded move
[18:27] <puppylove> create brand confusion, that's all
[18:28] <SturmFlut> puppylove: The kernel will boot, all CPU cores will come up, you will even get accelerated video. WiFi and Audio may be flaky, depending on the actual chipsets, and my device hat MMC flash problems, but the overall experience is okay.
[18:30] <SturmFlut> I wonder why nobody came up with a Monopoly lawsuit against Google and Android device manufacturers. A phone/tablet is just a PC. We cry if our PCs are locked down, why do we allow phones/tablets to be locked down?
[18:31] <puppylove> someone has to be motivated to do it. usually that is by money
[18:31] <puppylove> perhaps that is what microsoft is reaching for by embracing cyanogenmod
[18:32] <puppylove> sort of like how they prop up the rotted corpse of SCO to troll linux companies
[18:33] <puppylove> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[18:34] <puppylove> arrrrrgh
[18:35] <SturmFlut> Well, I'll go back to my bug reports before I get into rage mode and start boring everyone
[18:35] <puppylove> http://pastebin.com/AqZWqGiU
[19:43] <t-ask> HI I have an BQ Aquaris 4.5 (Andriod) and I wanted to install Utouch on it by following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install I come up to "Unlock the Android device". On command "fastboot oem unlock" the terminal just shows "..." and nothing happens on the device. Any idea?
[19:57] <tasty-sandwich> Anyone got a minute to talk?  I've got a design decision to make and I need to make it soon.
[19:59] <tasty-sandwich> We have a network of payment kiosks that use google nexus 7's as essentially a touch screen interface to a raspberry pi.  People keep exiting the app and otherwise tampering with the system despite the fact we've spent thousands on "kiosk mode" software to lock that crap out.
[19:59] <tasty-sandwich> We are considering a move to ubuntu touch.  Maybe even ditching the raspberry pi all together.
[20:00] <tasty-sandwich> But I'm not sure how I would control the bill acceptor.  Is there a way to get the USB port from micro usb to like a regular USB hub?
[20:01] <tasty-sandwich> Also is there a "lock down" mode available so that the ubuntu touch only loads & runs our app?  I just don't want the thing to boot up and present the user with email, internet etc.  We just need a single full screen app.
[20:02] <labsin> tasty-sandwich, You could buy a OTG adapter. That way you can attach regular usb devices
[20:02] <labsin> But not all drivers are build in the kernel. A mouse or keyboard work. Some wifi adapters too
[20:03] <tasty-sandwich> Thanks I think the OTG adapter is exactly what I am looking for.  Is there a way to know if it will work with ubuntu touch?
[20:03] <Inglebard> Hi everybody, someone know how translate QML app with "i18n.tr" ?
[20:03] <tasty-sandwich> Well the billacceptor is driverless, there is a javasdk that opens up ttys0 and bitbangs it.
[20:04] <labsin> Inglebard, Yes. What do you need to know?
[20:04] <labsin> tasty-sandwich, That should work on Android I think
[20:04] <labsin> Apps on Ubuntu touch aren't allowed that much
[20:05] <labsin> But you could launch an app without these restrictions too
[20:05] <Inglebard> labsin, I put i18n.tr to translate my text (label,...) and I create my po files but my app is always in english. Do you have an idea what I do wrong ?
[20:05] <labsin> Inglebard, How do you make your po files?
[20:06] <Inglebard> labsin, I use the .pot file in "po" folder to generate my po file with poedit program.
[20:08] <labsin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10846824/
[20:08] <labsin> I use that script to generate mo files baste on the po files
[20:08] <labsin> I put it in the po folder
[20:10] <labsin> then I do ./generate_mo.sh (that's how I named the script) in the po folder. It generates locale/$LANG/LC_MESSAGES/$DOMAIN.mo files needed to load the translations
[20:10] <labsin> the locale folder should be in the root of your click package
[20:12] <labsin> Anybody tried the Falling Blocks game? I updated it today.
[20:12] <t-ask> if I enter "fastboot oem unlock" nothing happens except I see "..." in the terminal. Am I missing something?
[20:13] <t-ask> device is connected. I tested with "fastboot devices" ...
[20:13] <labsin> t-ask, are you in fastboot mode?
[20:13] <tasty-sandwich> Is there something other than an app?  I thought I saw some sort of "experience" thing, scene or scope or something like that.  Would that do it?
[20:14] <t-ask> yes, it's written FASTBOOT mode ...
[20:15] <t-ask> labsin: I wonder why my Aquaris 4.5 doesn't popup the unlock text.
[20:15] <t-ask> labsin: I tried with sudo, too. no success
[20:16] <t-ask> I don't need to insert a SIM first?
[20:16] <t-ask> SD card is wiped and inserted, too.
[20:17] <labsin> tasty-sandwich, What you ask for is to remove a lot from the image and only add an app. Than would certainly be possible, but the shell is tied up to the core. I don't know what would need to be changed. Maybe ask on the mailing list
[20:17] <labsin> t-ask, oem unlock is to unlock the bootloader to be able to flash a new kernel that is not signed by the manufacturer
[20:18] <Inglebard> labsin : I try your script, it's still in english...
[20:19] <tasty-sandwich> Hmmm, maybe have the app launch at boot (got to be a way to do that right?)  Then have it catch any signals so it won't die or exit.
[20:19] <t-ask> labsin: do you think it's already unlokced? I tried "adb setprop ..." It didn't change the prop ... therefore, I guess it's locked
[20:20] <tasty-sandwich> OTOH, there's this...
[20:20] <tasty-sandwich> http://www.andreas-schrade.de/2015/02/16/android-tutorial-how-to-create-a-kiosk-mode-in-android/
[20:20] <labsin> tasty-sandwich, The shell is just like an app. Also written in qml with an cpp backend. So yes
[20:21] <tasty-sandwich> Guess I'll give that a shot first.  Best not to toss the baby out with the bathwater, even if the baby has been acting bad ;)
[20:22] <tasty-sandwich> Thanks for the advice guys!
[20:22] <labsin> No prob
[20:24] <labsin> t-ask, are you in fastboot mode now?
[20:25] <labsin> Is there text on the screen? I think it should say something as "Device is UNLOCKED" (or LOCKED
[20:25] <labsin> Inglebard, Did you change the DOMAIN in the script to your apps domain name?
[20:26] <Inglebard> yeap
[20:26] <t-ask> My bootloader doesn't show the green android robot only in recovery mode. It's just written "FASTBOOT mode" at the bottom.
[20:27] <t-ask> labsin: oh, I missed your msg, sorry.  Not now. Should I chnage to fastboot mode now?
[20:27] <labsin> t-ask, nono
[20:28] <labsin> t-ask, my android devices shows a line that says unlocked at the screen when in fastboot mode
[20:29] <SturmFlut> t-ask: Well, I see two problems. First, AFAIK the Aquaris E4.5 is already unlocked, so no "fastboot oem unlock" needed. And second, the internal flash contains a partition layout, which is different between Android and Ubuntu.
[20:29] <Inglebard> labsin : can I send you a link to the repository to check what's happen, if you have time ? ( It's a really simple project )
[20:29] <labsin> ok
[20:30] <t-ask> labsin: my Fastboot just shows an ASCII line: "=> FASTBOOT mode..." nothing more.
[20:31] <Inglebard> labsin : https://github.com/Inglebard/Fixel
[20:31] <labsin> t-ask, Did you buy and Ubuntu edition? (see SturmFlut's post)
[20:31] <SturmFlut> t-ask: bq offers a tool to set and format partitions, see http://www.bq.com/gb/products/aquaris-e4-5.html at the bottom, "Firmware Hard reset Version 1.5.0" and "Drivers+utilities", but AFAICS they haven't uploaded the necessary files for the Ubuntu partition layout, just those for Android.
[20:32] <t-ask> labsin: no it's the Android edition.
[20:32] <SturmFlut> labsin: I bought both, the Android version back in February for my brother and the Ubuntu version for me. They are different at the core, and bq would have to release the necessary tools and files to change the partition layout.
[20:33] <SturmFlut> labsin, t-ask: Which they haven't.
[20:33] <SturmFlut> I think one *could* come up with the necessary configuration file if one took the information from the Ubuntu version, but I never tried.
[20:34] <labsin> Inglebard, Are you trying the translations on the device with installing a click package or on the desktop?
[20:34] <Inglebard> on the device
[20:35] <t-ask> SturmFlut: with "core" you mean partitions or hardware?!
[20:36] <labsin> and there is a locale/nl/LC_MESSAGES/fixel.inglebard.mo file in the click package?
[20:36] <t-ask> I just wonder why I can't even root the Android one
[20:36] <labsin> Inglebard, ore something else the nl
[20:36] <t-ask> SturmFlut: Did you root the Android phone somehow? And if, how?
[20:37] <labsin> I did have troubles with this before and had to "hack" around it. I though it was fixed
[20:37] <Inglebard> labsin : I am checking
[20:38] <SturmFlut> t-ask: Both. The partition layout is different, and the hardware is slightly different as well. The Ubuntu device seems to currently have seven partitions, while the Android version has 19. The Ubuntu version has no visible touch buttons below the display (they are there, but invisible), the Android version has touch buttons.
[20:39] <SturmFlut> t-ask: bq distributes a tool by the chipset manufacturer which can set and create flash partitions. The configuration file for the Android version of the E4.5 e.g. is http://paste.ubuntu.com/10847036/
[20:40] <SturmFlut> t-ask: While the active configuration on the Ubuntu version is http://paste.ubuntu.com/10847042/ , clearly different
[20:40] <labsin> Inglebard, I think I used the wrong gettext domain. You could do print(i18n.domain) in the app to check
[20:40] <labsin> I think it needs to be just fixel maybe
[20:41] <t-ask> SturmFlut: doesn't the flash tool repartition the internal flsh?
[20:41] <t-ask> SturmFlut: I mean, I wonder that I can't root it in the first place
[20:42] <labsin> I know I had to do: -       i18n.domain = "fallingblocks"        i18n.bindtextdomain(i18n.domain,"locale") in Component.onCompleted() somewhere to make it work
[20:42] <t-ask> SturmFlut: Did you root the Android one?
[20:42] <SturmFlut> t-ask: Yes, it does, but bq never released the necessary "scatter file" (the configuration file for the flash tool) for the Ubuntu version. So you can't currently convert the Android version to the Ubuntu version.
[20:42] <labsin> Inglebard, But that should no lonker be needed as the bugreport I made was marked soved (never tested tho)
[20:43] <labsin> But I need to go.
[20:43] <labsin> So by
[20:43] <t-ask> SturmFlut: ok, then I have an RMA case now .)
[20:43] <Inglebard> Ok thanks
[20:43] <SturmFlut> t-ask: You don't need to unlock bq phones, they are all unlocked already. And you don't need to root them if you're going to replace Android anyways.
[20:43] <t-ask> SturmFlut: I just send it back and buy the Ubuntu version then.
[20:44] <SturmFlut> t-ask: You can restore Android if you've already broken the installation, all the tools and files are on their website.
[20:44] <t-ask> SturmFlut: Well, I couldn't change the device_id, so I thought mine is not rooted
[20:45] <t-ask> SturmFlut: no nothing is broken. I couldn't flash the device... probably because of different device_id
[20:45] <SturmFlut> t-ask: Hm, I don't know about device_id. All I know is that bq markets all their devices with the term "unlocked"
[20:45] <SturmFlut> t-ask: If your intention was to get an Ubuntu phone, then open an RMA case and send it back. Should be the fastest way.
[20:47] <t-ask> SturmFlut: yes, I just send it back. It's said that they sell the ubuntu version at a higher price.
[20:48] <t-ask> /s/said/sad
[20:48] <fran2> hey guys hello! I just messed up my ubuntu phone i guess; after system upgrade it is constantly rebooting itself; i cant access my phone anymore; what should i do
[20:49] <SturmFlut> fran2: Do you remember which version you upgraded to? r20? r21?
[20:49] <fran2> SturmFlut: I got an Aquarius E4.5 and i guess i upgraded to the recommended version ( was on system manager _ update menu)
[20:50] <nik90> fran2: did you do anything out the ordinary to the E4.5? Like using apt-get or something?
[20:50] <SturmFlut> fran2: Okay, I have not run into this problem myself, but there was a report on the mailing list about this happening sometimes. See https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg11819.html
[20:50] <fran2> nik90: Yes I installed some python packages for installing whatsapp from terminal :/
[20:51] <SturmFlut> fran2: Okay, that might not have been the best idea. WhatsApp would have probably blocked you anyways.
[20:51] <bqphone> i had it also but after i did shutdown the phone and restarted then it worked fine
[20:51] <bqphone> was also trying to install whatsapp
[20:52] <fran2> but i think the continous reboot was due to ubuntu system upgrade since it happened just after that
[20:53] <fran2> is there an easy way to just install a fresh ubuntu to get rid of this loop
[20:53] <SturmFlut> fran2: Yes, there is. You should probably follow http://askubuntu.com/questions/602834/how-to-reset-bq-ubuntu-phone-when-gui-is-inaccessible
[20:54] <SturmFlut> It will erase all your data though
[20:54] <fran2> I do not have any data at all, my phone is totally new :/
[20:55] <fran2> The problem is i cant even go into recovery mode; it also gets stuck
[20:58] <SturmFlut> fran2: Wait a moment, I'll try it on my device
[21:00] <sysop2> hi! I just did apt-get install ubuntu-touch on my convertible tablet, when it finishes what do I do next?
[21:00] <sysop2> ubuntu 14.10
[21:01] <sysop2> if you guys know of a howto please enlighten me. I have googled around but nothing about running it on x86 tablet/laptops.
[21:02] <SturmFlut> sysop2: I think you restart the device, and in the login manager you select "Ubuntu Touch" or something
[21:02] <SturmFlut> sysop2: Or "Unity 8"
[21:02] <sysop2> sweet I was hoping it was that easy!
[21:02] <t-ask> Does anyone know how many days it takes to get the Aquaris Ubuntu Ed. when ordering today?
[21:03] <sysop2> cant wait to try it out, I couldnt get kde active to run at all on it. :(
[21:04] <fran2> :/
[21:04] <SturmFlut> t-ask: They say it takes a couple of days. But I don't know, I ordered during the second flash sale and bq Germany screwed up the order a little, so it took *very* long.
[21:04] <t-ask> SturmFlut: then I hope they don't screw it up for me .)
[21:05] <SturmFlut> t-ask: As long as the billing and shipping address are the same, it shouldn't be a problem
[21:05] <SturmFlut> t-ask: That's were it got problematic
[21:06] <t-ask> SturmFlut: I had to wait for the one I have now almost one week... cause of the DHL ppl on strike .)
[21:07] <SturmFlut> fran2: Interesting, I can't get into recovery mode too. I see the menu with the three options, I select "recovery mode", but then the Ubuntu circle appears and never goes away.
[21:07] <fran2> SturmFlut: same!
[21:07] <SturmFlut> fran2: Ah! You have to press "Power Up"!
[21:08] <fran2> SturmFlut: What do you mean? After ubuntu circle?
[21:08] <SturmFlut> fran2: Jep!
[21:08] <sysop2> what no "computer on"
[21:08] <SturmFlut> fran2: Select "Recovery mode", press "Power down" to select it, wait until the Ubuntu circle appears, then press "Power up"
[21:09] <SturmFlut> fran2: At least that's how it works on my device here
[21:09] <SturmFlut> fran2: If I do it like this, I see the "Wipe data/factory reset" option
[21:09] <SturmFlut> sysop2: Did it start Unity8?
[21:10] <fran2> SturmFlut: It works!
[21:10] <SturmFlut> fran2: Now let's hope that this fixes the problem
[21:11] <SturmFlut> fran2: Otherwise you should be able to boot into recovery and execute "ubuntu-device-flash touch --bootstrap" on the desktop
[21:11] <SturmFlut> fran2: As long as "fastboot devices" shows the phone
[21:13] <fran2> SturmFlut: It is working I guess, thank you man
[21:13] <SturmFlut> fran2: no problem
[21:14] <fran2> SturmFlut: Do you know also if it is possible to install whatsapp?
[21:15] <SturmFlut> fran2: WhatsApp declines to support Ubuntu Touch. There are some alternative clients, but if you use them WhatsApp will block you. That's why we have Telegram.
[21:24] <SturmFlut> sysop2: Any luck?
[21:25] <fran2> SturmFlut: Thank you again, telegram seems well! I will convince my friends to use it
[21:25] <SturmFlut> fran2: Any modern Android phone can usually run more than one Messenger at the same time, so it shouldn't be a problem for them.
[21:26] <SturmFlut> fran2: And Telegram has secure, encrypted chats. Maybe your friends like that...
[22:20] <nik90> damn the battery life in OTA-3 is too good..finding it really hard to bring the battery percent lower than 20% even after a full day of moderate use
[22:33] <popey> \o/
[22:37] <brunch875> yeah, it's great. Normally I'd be all out of battery when back home
[22:37] <brunch875> let's hope we see more patches :))) long journey ahead