[00:39] <sysop2> SturmFlut thanks for asking,  no after I installed touch I get usb 1-1.2.2:device descripter read/64, error -32.
[01:17] <sysop2> that was a red herring, unplugged extra usb I just a black screen. tried fail safe x and it just quits back to the menu.. is there a minimum res requirement or something?
[02:48] <sysop2> should 1280x800 be enough to run touch?
[03:42] <froyo> Hello
[03:42] <froyo> I installed ubuntu-sdk
[03:43] <froyo> and I don't which architure and framework should I use and target.
[03:43] <froyo> know*
[03:43] <froyo> There 14.04 and 15.04 framework, and intel, armfh architure
[03:48] <froyo> Hi, anyone online?
[03:48] <bzoltan_> froyo:  the bq phone is armhf and the emulator is i386. The bq phone is running on 14.10 and on nexus4 you can insall 15.04 already. So it is up to what do you target.
[03:49] <froyo> but I'm using 14.04 development platform.
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:49] <froyo> can I use 14.04 still?
[03:49] <froyo> Hi, good morning.
[03:51] <froyo> bzoltan, also...I don't want to use an emulator...because my pc is 32 bit and slow...Do I need to run every QML app in the emulator?
[03:55] <sysop2> has anyone got this to work on a atom based laptop with touch screen?  I cant find mention of anyone doing it successfully and its starting to worry me.
[03:56] <froyo> the sdk?
[03:56] <sysop2> I installed ubuntu and it came up fine, I install ubuntu touch and rebooted and now it hangs on a black screen. I can get to a root prompt and I am installing the newest intel video drivers and updating all the packages, any other suggestions?
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> sysop2: you want to ask this in #ubuntu
[03:57] <sysop2> ok
[03:58] <froyo> Can I run QML app without using the emulator?
[03:59] <lotuspsychje> !devices | sysop2
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> how can i see the new touch apps like here: https://uappexplorer.com/apps
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> seems like new apps, just comes into the categories and never show as 'new'?
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> space * gives me most recent apps, but not all
[04:22] <froyo> It's not supported by Canonical, it's better to discuss this with the maintainer.
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> froyo: whats not supported?
[04:23] <froyo> oh sorry...it's to my friend
[04:26] <froyo> lotus...are you developing or packaging?
[08:51] <SturmFlut> Regarding the e-mail by Matthias Apitz to the ubuntu-phone mailing list: is it possible to launch the mediaplayer-app from the shell? I tried "ubuntu-app-launch mediaplayer-app file://${PATH}", and the app actually starts and seems to try to play the file, but the result is an error message claiming that "the connection to the background service failed."
[08:54] <SturmFlut> Oh, this particular video also fails when I start playback through the Video scope. Strange. It was indexed correctly by the mediascanner, but now it won't play.
[09:00] <popey> i just launched a video from the video scope then looked at the process list
[09:00] <popey> phablet   6237 55.3  3.8 253380 37844 ?        Ssl  09:59   0:01 mediaplayer-app video:///media/phablet/2541-1C26/Videos/Arctic%20Monkeys%20-%20Do%20I%20Wanna%20Know%20(Official%20Video)-bpOSxM0rNPM.mp4
[09:00] <popey> so you need video:// then the path
[09:00] <popey> SturmFlut: ^
[09:00] <SturmFlut> popey: Ah, thanks a lot, I couldn't get any video to play so I couldn't look it up myself
[09:02] <SturmFlut> popey: I suppose the full command line to launch the media player is "ubuntu-app-launch mediaplayer-app video://${PATH}" then?
[09:02] <mpt> ogra_, renaming the item wouldn’t solve brunch875’s problem
[09:03] <popey> SturmFlut: i guess
[09:06] <NIN101> what's the path of the sms database on the filesystem?
[09:08] <SturmFlut> jamesh: Ping
[09:11] <SturmFlut> popey: Okay, seems like I'm hitting some kind of bug here. If the phone is freshly rebooted and I launch a video via the Video scope, it plays. If I start playback from the command line, the media player starts, but doesn't play the file, and after that the media player just keeps complaining about not being able to communicate with the background service.
[09:11] <popey> lemme try
[09:12] <SturmFlut> popey: I am running into bug 1295062 though, maybe my media database is corrupted
[09:14] <popey> yeah, it doesn't launch here using that method either
[09:15] <popey> oh, it does!
[09:15] <popey> if mediaplayer was closed
[09:15] <popey> works fine
[09:16] <SturmFlut> popey: Okay, was probably because of the other bug then
[09:20] <Azby> Hola/hello
[09:20] <SturmFlut> Azby: Hi
[09:22] <Azby> This a my first time intención a ir chanelar, Id iike todo report a bug in ubuntu touch
[09:22] <Azby> si this the right place?
[09:23] <Azby> Sorry for the autocorrect
[09:24] <SturmFlut> Azby: You can write to the ubuntu-phone mailing list or open a bug report on Launchpad.net. This way everyone can see the bug report, not all developers read the messages on this channel.
[09:25] <Azby> OK thank you
[09:27] <popey> Azby: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers is a good place to find out where to file bugs
[09:28] <ogra_> mpt, no, but a lot of confusion around it :)
[09:29] <ogra_> mpt, if it said "quieten notifications" or some such, i would know what to expect ... "silent mode" kind of turns into "mute" in peoples brains (in mine at least :) )
[09:43] <mpt> ogra_, it doesn’t (or shouldn’t) just quieten notifications.
[09:45] <nik90> popey, ogra_: Hey, Unity8 completely froze on my BQ yesterday nite after charging it. I couldn't adb or phablet-shell into it to restart unity8. I had to resort to using the power button to restarting it. Is there another way I can access the phone and get the unity8 logs to help debug issues like this?
[09:46] <mibofra> hi guys, Does anyone remember images like this one http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/saucy-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip installable from recovery? Is there any tool to obtain the flashable zips from for example the latest rootfs of vivid?
[09:46] <popey> nik90: mine froze just now.
[09:47] <popey> but I left it alone and it recovered, I imagine apport ate the cpu
[09:47] <popey> -rw-r-----  1 phablet whoopsie 140K Apr 19 09:32 _usr_bin_unity8.32011.crash
[09:47] <popey> yup, apport writing a crash file
[09:47] <SturmFlut> nik90: This has happened to me a couple of times, and like popey says, it recovered after waiting for a bit
[09:47] <popey> I would let it sit there, so the crash file is written out fully, and then uploaded
[09:48] <popey> that way the unity8 devs can debug it via errors.ubuntu.com
[09:48] <SturmFlut> mibofra: Well, I don't know much about this stuff, but there are files like http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[09:49] <nik90> ah ok
[09:50] <mibofra> ok but the rootfs into the tarball is not flashable in recovery.
[09:54] <SturmFlut> mibofra: Sorry, no idea.
[09:54] <mibofra> ok
[10:12] <NIN101> are there any plans to add "disk" encryption to ubuntu touch?
[10:19] <cylonmath> is there an easy way to import phone contacts from an android phone (samsung 5360?)
[10:20] <ogra_> NIN101, indeed
[10:20] <ogra_> cylonmath, via google contacts ...
[10:26] <NIN101> ogra_: do you know whether there is some kind of status page or so?
[10:27] <ogra_> NIN101, no, sorry ... but encryption is on the list ... we need greeter multiuser support first for the decryption though ...
[10:29] <ogra_> generally the term "convergence" actually means the whole system though ... not just running apps that adapt to the UI ... the phone will have an identical feature set to the desktop one day ... even on the plumbinng layer...
[10:29] <ogra_> -n
[10:54] <BOHverkill> yes i managed to change the time format from 12h to 24h :)
[10:54] <ogra_> congrats
[10:55] <BOHverkill> ogra_: thx :)
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: you know a trick to display latest apps on touch?
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> i tryed space * but not all aps show
[11:16] <ogra_> lotuspsychje, i use the web appstore for tha, it shows them in the order they land in the store
[11:16] <ogra_> search for "appstore" ...
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: yeah i got that in my favs, tought there might be a trick to display them 'most recent' on touch
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> would love that in the future, seeing all newest apps in front ubuntu store
[11:18] <nik90> Who decides on the "highlight of the week" in the ubuntu touch stores? Excellent choice for this week :P
[11:50] <Elleo> nik90: couldn't agree more ;)
[11:51]  * ogra_ notes he has only 4 out of 6 essantial apps installed ... 
[11:51] <ogra_> they cant be *that* essential then :P
[11:51] <Elleo> heh
[11:51] <nik90> lol
[11:52] <nik90> Elleo: hey btw, listitem.empty clicked signal allows onlinkactivated to also work..so now we can press on episode links :D
[11:53] <Elleo> nik90: great :)
[11:53] <nik90> Elleo: But I cant figure out why it still shows 00:00 for undefined durations :P..that thing is bugging me quite a bit
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> https://twitter.com/hashtag/ubuntuphone?src=hash
[11:54] <Elleo> nik90: yeah, I'll take a look at that after lunch see if I can spot anything
[11:55] <nik90> Elleo: I will just keep testing the branch to see if there are any other issues I can spot and fix meanwhile
[11:56] <Elleo> nik90: okay, cool
[11:58]  * ogra_ wonders if it would make sense to have some framwork similar to the alternate-webapp container for webradio apps ... 
[11:59] <ogra_> (with standardized controls ... playlist parsing etc)
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> you know what would be nice, an almost ready webapp so users can drag n drop something and make an app themselfs
[12:04] <ogra_> i'd prefer if the browser had an "bookmark to app" function :)
[12:05] <ogra_> in the burger menu on the top right ...
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> would also be nice
[12:05] <ogra_> essentially the same thing, just inntegrated by default into the browser
[12:05] <ogra_> that would save us from the not-actually-webapps webapps :)
[12:06] <nik90> ogra_: the browser in vivid is so much better..the url bar now acts behaves like a page header where if you scroll up it scrolls as well instead of with a delay like in rtm
[12:06] <nik90> but yeah a bookmark to app would be nice
[12:06] <ogra_> nik90, i still find it awful and jiggly
[12:06] <ogra_> it shouldnt move the webview around when it slides in/out
[12:07] <nik90> ogra_: is it still jiggly for you? It doesn't move the webview around for me anymore in vivid
[12:07] <ogra_> oh, you are right, i'm sure it did the last time i checked :)
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> im happy with devel-proposed webbrowser-app too
[12:07] <ogra_> (that shows how often i use the browser itself i guess :P )
[12:08] <nik90> yeah the browser moving the webview in RTM bugged me quite a bit..happy now though
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> nik90: wich device are you on?
[12:08] <nik90> lotuspsychje: BQ (RTM) and N4 (Vivid)
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> nice
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> nik90: nexus7 on devel-proposed here
[12:09] <nik90> ah N7..pretty cool
[12:10] <nik90> its like a small notebook and feels good
[12:10] <lotuspsychje> nexus7 is a tablet
[12:10] <nik90> yes
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> feels very good
[12:12] <nik90> hmm bug 1445527 is strange..lets see if I can reproduce it
[14:12] <popey> hmm http://imgur.com/XCce0Xq
[14:12] <popey> 23394 phablet   20   0  363596  43472  22008 S  99.4  4.4 341:15.66 telegram
[14:12]  * popey files a bug
[14:15] <faenil> popey: ouch
[14:22]  * ogra_ LOLs
[14:22] <ogra_> so i just aded audible feedback (a click sound) to the alternate webapp container if you click website links
[14:23] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1445928
[14:23] <ogra_> using an app with that enabled on vivid nearly makes impossible to read the conten because you always have  the volume popup in yur face
[14:23] <ogra_> lovely
[14:23] <popey> ogra_: can you do me a favour and take a screenshot with vol+and vol-?
[14:23] <popey> tell me what the file name is that it makes?
[14:23] <popey> -rw-rw-r-- 1 phablet phablet 423K Apr 19 15:10 screenshot20151019_151011494.png
[14:23] <popey> that's mine
[14:23] <popey> (the YYYYMMDD makes _no_ sense)
[14:24] <ogra_> screenshot20150419_162338910.png
[14:24] <popey> wat
[14:24] <popey> i have loads yesterday that are -rw-rw-r-- 2 phablet phablet 393K Apr 18 09:58 screenshot20155818_095843963.png
[14:24] <popey> like that
[14:25] <popey> I'm on the retail phone here.
[14:25] <ogra_> that month seems a slight bit in the future :)
[14:25] <popey> in fact loking back over the month, none of them are right
[14:25] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10850919/
[14:25] <popey> haha i see what it is
[14:26] <popey> someone has mixed %m and %M
[14:26] <popey> the minute is where the month should be
[14:26] <ogra_> well, seems fixed in vivid
[14:26] <popey> ok
[14:27] <popey> thanks
[14:27] <ogra_> geez ... tha volume popupp is annoying
[14:27]  * ogra_ checks where that MP was with the fix ... 
[14:27] <popey> irritating that on the phone, screenshots have a sane format, yet on the desktop our default screenshot app has colons and spaces in the file name
[14:28] <popey> "Screenshot from 2015-04-19 15:27:52" is a stupid filename
[14:28] <ogra_> yes
[14:28] <ogra_> comes from gnome i think
[14:28] <popey> only 3 years ago... bug 1054808 was filed
[14:28] <ogra_> we use the default app iirc
[14:28] <ogra_> well, unity8 will fix that ;)
[14:28] <popey> holy cow they finally fixed it upstream
[14:28]  * popey falls over
[14:42] <mariogrip> popey: status on http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?
[14:43] <popey> ogasawara_: ^ do you know?
[14:43] <popey> mariogrip: ogasawara_ is probably a better person to ask as she is (I think) the biggest consumer of that service.
[14:43] <ogasawara_> popey: we were told Mon
[14:43] <popey> ok, thanks.
[14:43] <mariogrip> ok
[14:44] <popey> sorry it's not sooner mariogrip
[14:46] <mariogrip> popey: it's fine, i have have other stuff while i wait. (like ril)
[14:48]  * mariogrip sees that the grammar is way off after he presses the "enter" key
[14:50] <ogra_> file a bug against the keyboard then :)
[14:51] <mariogrip> ogra_: :P
[15:09] <faenil> took some pictures with flash last evening...auto white balancing of close subjects is completely nuts :D is the white balancing done in qtmultimedia plugins? or is it at a lower level?
[15:09] <faenil> (BQ -> devel-proposed)
[15:11] <ogra_> faenil, you should ask Kaleo during the week ...
[15:11] <faenil> ok, thanks ;)
[15:20] <faenil> woah, vibrator got stuck while receiving a notification, I read about this in this chat already, iirc
[15:23] <ogra_> yeah, fix is ready, needs to land
[16:03] <faenil> ogra_: ok thanks
[16:45] <faenil> ouch, hard reboot at the end of a phonecall
[16:45] <faenil> :/
[17:07] <Sleep_Walker> 1] How can I set up tethering?
[17:07] <Sleep_Walker> 2] I still haven't connected to Aquaris through adb shell, device is not visible in `adb devices' - what can be wrong?
[17:08] <Sleep_Walker> android devices are visible...
[17:08] <Sleep_Walker> yes, I enabled developer access
[17:14] <SturmFlut> Sleep_Walker: ADB shell will only work if the device is unlocked
[17:15] <Sleep_Walker> what is unlocking in this context?
[17:15] <ogra_> screen unlockin
[17:15] <ogra_> g
[17:16] <Sleep_Walker> OK, I unplugged and plugged again with unlocked screen - no change...
[17:17] <ogra_> where doesthe adb on your PC come from ?
[17:17] <Sleep_Walker> ugh
[17:17] <Sleep_Walker> it's a bit complicated :)
[17:18] <Sleep_Walker> openSUSE package android-tools run through altered LD_LIBRARY_PATH from different root filesystem
[17:18] <ogra_> well, if it isnt from the phablet-tools PPA or from a recent ubuntu archive package (utopic and vivid should work out of the box) then you might need to restart the adb server on the PC with sudo
[17:19] <ogra_> the package ships udev rules that you might miss ...
[17:19] <Sleep_Walker> good point
[17:19] <ogra_> adb kill-server; sudo adb devices
[17:19] <Sleep_Walker> nope, I wrote the rule myself
[17:19] <ogra_> ... and then try adb shell again
[17:20] <Sleep_Walker> it doesn't seem to be the problem either
[17:20] <ogra_> (just to rule out any issues with the rule)
[17:21] <ogra_> are you sure that setup you run there has full access to /dev ?
[17:22] <ogra_> developer mode works definitely fine with an ubuntu host ... (teh daily device test run through that, it woould ring a lot of alarm bells if that broke)
[17:23] <ogra_> tethering: androoid-gadget-service enable rndis
[17:23] <ogra_> you can run that in the terminal-app
[17:24] <ogra_> (only tested on ubuntu, not sure if/how suses network manager gets along with that)
[17:24] <ogra_> oh, "android-gadget-service" (one o )
[17:24] <Sleep_Walker> rndis is cable protocol - is there some wifi way?
[17:24] <ogra_> not yet, no
[17:24] <Sleep_Walker> ok
[17:24] <Sleep_Walker> thanks!
[17:25] <ogra_> (being worked on, but there are some driver issues with AP mode that need solving first)
[17:25] <Sleep_Walker> yeah, I can imagine
[17:25] <ogra_> the wonderful world of binary drivers :)
[17:34] <Sleep_Walker> if you say 'being worked on' - where is the VCS to follow?
[18:31] <BOHverkill> Sleep_Walker: i had the same problem with arch
[18:33] <BOHverkill> Sleep_Walker: that worked for me: https://askubuntu.com/questions/601324/bq-e4-5-adb-fails
[18:33] <Sleep_Walker> BOHverkill: thanks, I'll try
[18:35] <Sleep_Walker> BOHverkill: oh yeah! thanks!
[18:35] <Sleep_Walker> whitelist of vendors, that makes sense :b
[18:35] <BOHverkill> SturmFlut: np ;)
[18:36] <Sleep_Walker> and, do you know the reasons why I shouldn't install SW using apt?
[18:37] <Sleep_Walker> I noticed the warning but forgot to ask why...
[18:39] <popey> Sleep_Walker: http://askubuntu.com/questions/599488/how-to-install-a-deb-file-in-ubuntu-touch/599489#599489
[18:40] <Sleep_Walker> popey: thanks :)
[18:41] <Sleep_Walker> not that I understand the answer...
[18:41] <popey> you can really only have one package manager in use
[18:41] <popey> the OTA updates is one way, apt is the other
[18:41] <popey> if you use apt, and then OTA update, you may lose your changes
[18:42] <Sleep_Walker> if you mean installed software - it is worth of risk
[18:42] <Sleep_Walker> if you mean user data, it's not nice
[18:42] <sjakie902> today some of my apps lost their icons, does any else had this problem?
[18:42] <sjakie902> http://imgur.com/ClWkgDe
[18:43] <popey> i have seen this
[18:43] <popey> when I switched to vivid.
[18:43] <Sleep_Walker> OTA update is just another snapshot of file system, right?
[18:43] <popey> sjakie902: is this a retail bq phone?
[18:43] <popey> Sleep_Walker: delivered as a diff
[18:43] <sjakie902> retail BQ
[18:43] <popey> hm
[18:44] <popey> you're the third person I have seen mention this, we need to capture this in a bug report
[18:44] <popey> sjakie902: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+filebug can you file a bug and give some detail and attach the screenshot please?
[18:45] <popey> i have a feeling I know what it is.
[18:45] <sjakie902> oke i will file a bug
[18:45] <popey> can you let me have the bug number when you do. thanks
[18:48] <Sleep_Walker> has anyone experimented with overlayfs?
[18:48] <Sleep_Walker> hm, no, that wouldn't be nice solution either :|
[18:56] <sjakie902> bug filed #1445979
[18:57] <Sleep_Walker> the solution for packaging duality would be distribute OTA update as full image - I would only loose newly installed packages (I can keep some list in home partition)
[19:01] <Hen_> Hey guys
[19:01] <Hen_> not sure if this is the right place for asking questions about the ubuntu-sdk
[19:02] <Hen_> but I'm having some problems with my device not being detected
[19:02] <Hen_> It's the Aquaris E4
[19:03] <Hen_> and a fresh install of ubuntu 14.04
[19:51] <Azby> Using my new ubuntu bq 😊
[20:11] <ulrichard> Since only few packages are installable with apt-get on ubuntu touch, I would assume they work. But using cryptsetup I always get : "device-mapper: reload ioctl on  failed: No such file or directory"
[20:12] <Sebsebsebb> Hi
[20:14] <Sebsebsebb> Purple screen on ubuntu bq phone after turning it off and trying to turn on again or after trying to turn it off
[21:48] <nik90> hmm if only the ubuntu touch store could allow developers to reply to their app reviews
[22:01] <genii> That seems like a large oversight on their part.
[22:06] <nik90> well its in the pipeline..just not yet implemented
[22:15] <Sleep_Walker> it seems that android version of aquaris has three "buttons" at the bottom of front side
[22:16] <Sleep_Walker> is the HW still there or was removed for ubuntu version?
[22:17] <k1l> the ubuntu version doesnt have a buton on the front
[22:22] <brunch875> they were removed