[09:17] <isleofmandan> Info: Isle of Man release party for Ubuntu 15.04 - http://iom.lug.org.uk
[09:17] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[12:00] <awilkins> Anyone know why I can't import python packages I've definitely just installed (via the package manager?)
[12:01] <penguin42> a 2 vs 3 thing?
[12:02] <awilkins> Hmm, maybe, tried both 2 and 3 though
[12:06] <awilkins> Ok... i) the apt package isn't the package I was looking for so it's root namespace is different
[12:06] <awilkins> ii) Once you find that out it works in 2 but not 3
[12:07] <awilkins> I do think the friction between the Python / Ruby and Debian package management is annoying
[12:07] <penguin42> yeh it always happens when you have two different package management systems
[12:12] <directhex_> It's Complicated
[12:12] <directhex_> as is everything i seem to ever comment on
[12:14] <penguin42> well you wouldn't want to comment on anything so simple that it was below you
[12:24] <directhex_> true :p
[12:25] <directhex_> but your summary was reasonable
[16:47] <mappps> yay
[16:47] <mappps> leaving now;D holiday time
[20:14] <foobarry> anyone tried the fitness tracker bands?
[20:14] <foobarry> to monitor sleep and walkies
[20:14] <daftykins> chap i know got given a fitbit a bit ago
[20:15] <daftykins> seems to use a web based stat tracker on the PC
[20:15] <daftykins> so must run a local server
[20:15] <foobarry> the xiaomi one is v cheap and you use an android/apple app
[20:15] <diddledan> I've got an ms band (as of wednesday)
[20:15] <diddledan> doubles as a watch
[20:16] <foobarry> multiple sclerosis?
[20:16] <diddledan> apparently my heart-rate goes down to about 55 when I'm asleep
[20:16] <diddledan> err. no. microsoft
[20:16] <foobarry> oh
[20:16] <foobarry> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Xiaomi-Lightweight-Smart-Bluetooth4-0-Bracelet-Black/dp/B00RMO0T5I
[20:16] <foobarry> these are v cheap
[20:16] <foobarry> i dont think it measures heart rate though
[20:16] <foobarry> just sleep and walking
[20:17] <foobarry> and notification vibrate
[20:18] <popey> foobarry: i have a fitbit
[20:20] <popey> blimety that xiaomi thing is cheap
[20:20] <foobarry> only does 2 things
[20:21] <foobarry> my bro in law has one
[20:21] <popey> the fitbit only does two things
[20:21] <popey> (the one I have)
[20:21] <popey> but mine is an older version, the first band
[20:22] <foobarry> popey: fitbit is a gimmick or useful?
[20:22] <foobarry> maybe i just like the idea of collecting data
[20:23] <popey> its good for setting  targets
[20:23] <popey> and can wake you gently
[20:23] <popey> and monitor your sleep pattern
[20:23] <popey> so has valid uses
[20:23] <foobarry> i haz no  targets
[20:23] <popey> if any of those are important to you.
[20:23] <popey> 10k steps a day is a good target
[20:23] <foobarry> but is fun for comparing steps vs wife
[20:23] <popey> a good starter anyway
[20:23] <popey> yeah
[20:25] <foobarry> do u stil use it?
[20:31] <popey> no
[20:31] <popey> not often
[20:31] <popey> yet another thing to keep charged
[20:32] <daftykins> i reckon that's their main issue, all this fitness lark
[20:33] <popey> i did use a phone based one on the iphone a while back
[20:33] <popey> "Moves"
[20:33] <popey> which was really rather well done.
[20:34] <popey> counted steps as you'd expect but also provided little maps of where you did the steps
[20:34] <popey> so was dead handy for doing things like looking back over a week and seeing where you ate when you come to do your expenses
[20:34] <daftykins> another average day on the main roads of Guernsey - https://www.dropbox.com/s/5y8ngn723zc8ba3/IMG_20150419_181747.jpg?dl=0
[20:36] <foobarry> the xiaomi one lasts 30 days or so allegedly
[20:36] <foobarry> don't quote me on that tho