[04:31] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-Now-Has-Over-20-Millions-of-Users-According-to-Canonical-478787.shtml
[07:59] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:05] <OerHeks> Morning lordievader
[08:14] <lordievader> Hey OerHeks, how are you doing?
[08:16] <OerHeks> Great, just walked the doggies, how are you ?
[08:17] <lordievader> Doing pretty good.
[09:53] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: hello mate
[09:53] <BluesKaj> Hi lotuspsychje, what's up?
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> oh nothing much, doing a lil support :p
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-Now-Has-Over-20-Millions-of-Users-According-to-Canonical-478787.shtml
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> and some good news readin :p
[09:54] <lordievader> o/
[09:54]  * BluesKaj nods and reads
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> still most popular Os
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> im sure they count ubuntu phones too
[09:57] <BluesKaj> no doubt
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> ok im off for lunch
[14:23] <MonkeyDust> upgrading this redmond machine to the next preview version, wish me luck
[14:28] <BluesKaj> W10?
[14:28] <BluesKaj> MonkeyDust,^
[14:31] <MonkeyDust> yes, technical preview, out of curiosity
[14:33] <MonkeyDust> i'm unable to install W8.1 tho, in vbox or vmware
[14:33] <MonkeyDust> due to uefi, i giess
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: did you disable fastboot and secureboot
[14:35] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje  not sure and cannot check now...
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: what error do you get?
[14:36]  * MonkeyDust clicks install now
[14:36] <MonkeyDust> drum roll...
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: EriC^ is our uefi specialist :p
[14:36] <EriC^> lol, what's up?
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[14:38] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje  in vbox, it was some VT-x error
[14:38] <BluesKaj> I dumped all the gpt partititons/table on my laptop and went with legacy mode and secure boot disabled
[14:38] <EriC^> i think it installs in legacy too
[14:39] <EriC^> MonkeyDust: i get the vt-x error when i try installing 64bit os's, i had to enable it in the bios
[14:39] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Do you have disks larger than 2Tb?
[14:40] <BluesKaj> yup , make sure virtualizing is enabled in the uefi/bios
[14:40] <BluesKaj> lordievader, nope , my laptop is 1Tb
[14:40] <BluesKaj> my other pcs are non-uefi
[14:41] <lordievader> Ah, okay. msdos cannot do disks >2Tb.
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> ioria: welcome :p
[14:42] <ioria> ^_^
[14:45] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, lordievader I did have an occsional problem where the laptop refused to boot at all , it wouldn't see the UEFI/BIOS or the post page...I had to take the battery out for a few mins in order to reset
[14:45] <MonkeyDust> ok, the equivalent to "apt-get upgrade" worked, but i want the "do-release-upgrade"... more drum rolls...
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> lol: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-Users-Download-Ubuntu-30-000-Times-a-Day-and-Other-Cool-Facts-478852.shtml
[14:45] <lordievader> I know nothing of Uefi, BluesKaj ;)
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: what brand is this mate?
[14:47] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, it's a Lenovo G500 with intel i3 cpu, and 8G Ram and 1Tb hdd ...pretty plain jane laptop
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> sounds nice
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> some brands hide fastboot somewhere real deep in bios, you have to search hard to find :p
[14:49] <daftykins> so true
[14:49] <BluesKaj> it's fine lotuspsychje , I tried installing a gpt boot partition for safety's sake ,and altho it somehow reverted to msdos I no longer have the no boot problem
[14:49] <daftykins> or are just buggy as hell and need to be running the latest version to even operate :)
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> too bad for microsux, we always find a workaround :p
[14:51] <daftykins> a friend had one of the ~2011 samsung 9 series ultraportables, hilariously it wouldn't even boot the windows 7 installer from flash drive without an EFI update
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: you think ubuntu would need that efi update to install aswell then?
[14:53] <daftykins> never hurts to look at the fixes listed on the download page from the manufacturer, i say
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> true
[14:53] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/7t7n5llpq5dyuc7/AACsIO22uCVR3MUceENXe3yla?dl=0
[14:54] <daftykins> check out this cheap Lenovo i picked up, it was on a special cashback deal so all told i got it and the free printer for £208 delivered O_O
[14:54] <daftykins> it's since had the RAM doubled to 8GB for an extra £21 and an SSD put in :D
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> wich ssd brand?
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> neat lappy
[14:55] <daftykins> i upgraded a friends Lenovo X240 to a 512GB Crucial and he let me keep the intel 160GB that was in it
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> nice
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> whats your boot time?
[14:55] <MonkeyDu1t> was that with ubuntu preinstalled?
[14:56] <daftykins> heh nah, i was just testing it out
[14:57] <daftykins> i tend to boot a Linux distro to nuke the factory 8 installs they come with :D
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> i also like that
[14:57] <daftykins> that one is going to mother dearest so is running 7 *ducks*
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> thats what im gonna do with my store :p
[14:58] <daftykins> i did have a video, but basically if you imagine booting 7 - the swooshing bootlogo colours don't even get to the centre before the desktop comes up
[14:58] <daftykins> it's a pretty nice Haswell i3-4010U
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> i get 5sec boot/3sec halt on samsung evo 840
[14:59] <daftykins> :D
[14:59] <daftykins> i still won't buy EVOs ;) i hear they've finally released yet another attempted firmware fix
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> only the evo 840
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> doesnt affect 850 and 850 pro
[15:00] <daftykins> *nod*
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> i know a guy who runs servers with only 850 pro's and hammered them for weeks
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> he says samsung is unbeatable
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> never had one fail yet
[15:01] <daftykins> Crucial M4s have been good to me, they did have that firmware bug where after x hours powered on Windows BSODd, but after updating that they've not let me down too :D
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> yeah crucial is also good
[15:01] <daftykins> i was in Australia when that happened to a client, i had to call a friend back home and ask him to pop in and update one :D
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> i still have an old trancend 8 gig slc ssd in my desktop, and still rocketfast
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> back in the days, it was like 100$ for the 8gig ssd lol
[15:04] <MonkeyDust> my first pc, a 386, cost about $32.000!!
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> oO wow
[15:05] <MonkeyDust> yup, and it was before the dot com bubble
[15:05] <daftykins> i found the shipping invoice for my first the other day, an intel X25-M 160GB
[15:05] <daftykins> it's still the OS disk in my ageing desktop :D
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> :p
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> those intels are fast too, but not very cheap
[15:07] <MonkeyDust> meanwhile, back in the batcave...
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:08] <daftykins> this channel might need an Alfred
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> ZAPP KABBOOM
[15:09] <EriC^> haha
[15:10] <daftykins> i had a bit of a laugh doing a clean install of Windows 7 on the above cheap Lenovo, with the stock 500GB mechanical disk it came with
[15:10] <daftykins> so my routine is clean install, put IE11 on, then minimum of a network driver to get it online and do Windows Update
[15:10] <daftykins> the first 168 odd updates took... wait for it... 2.5hrs to install.
[15:11] <daftykins> that's even with system restore disabled to speed things up
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: i worked recently in a mediamarket in my country and had to reinstall win8 boxes on routine, took me day n night to fix+update
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: the laptops were running all night to update + win 8.1 update
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> a real nightmare
[15:12] <daftykins> :(
[15:12] <lotuspsychje> and the worst of all, my boss forbid me to install ubuntu on clients machines :p
[15:12] <daftykins> you needed yourself a recent ISO ;)
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> so i quit that job :p
[15:14] <daftykins> i don't put out desktop Ubuntu either because i just couldn't support it
[15:14] <BluesKaj> now I know why I don't use smpalyer , it's flaky, the spdif feed works and provides a DTS/DD audio one . but not the next on the same moviw with the same audio settings ...good ol' VLC to the rescue :)
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> vlc rox
[15:15] <BluesKaj> one day, that is
[15:17] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, I see that a lot about Windows being the de riguer OS for clients because that's what he thinks they expect and can provide support for
[15:18] <daftykins> yeah, was it that the boss refused to allow it even if you talked a customer into it?
[15:19] <daftykins> 'cause it'd be fair if you were throwing it on where someone'd brought in Windows for fixing XD
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> i did it once, and customer payed me 50 euro as reward because he loved it
[15:19] <BluesKaj> I heardabout  the same experience at my forner employer with fellow employees that wanted to bring their macs to work
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> that was the only box i did
[15:19] <MonkeyDust> the VT-x error for W8.1, do I change something in the vbox settings, or in the hardware BIOS?
[15:19] <lordievader> MonkeyDust: Hardware bios.
[15:20] <daftykins> if you've been VMing a long time it's a surprise if you'd have been doing so without VT enabled
[15:20] <MonkeyDust> lordievader  ok, but this is an old laptop
[15:20] <daftykins> ah it's been around for over 7 years
[15:20] <lordievader> MonkeyDust: What cpu?
[15:21] <MonkeyDust> daftykins  win xp, vista, 7 and 10 work, but 8 not
[15:21] <MonkeyDust> brb
[15:21] <daftykins> i think avoiding 8 is a blessing in disguise :D
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> xp was the best of all nightmares
[15:22] <BluesKaj> MonkeyDust, that's strange ...I had 8.1 on this 7 yr old desktop a while ago , it ran sort of ok and installed without any probs
[15:22] <daftykins> this is for installing 8 in a VM atop said old laptop though right?
[15:23] <daftykins> not bare metal
[15:23] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:24] <BluesKaj> had W7 on qemu-kvm , haven't tried 8.1 tho
[15:25] <BluesKaj> qemu-kvm is difficult to setup LAN access
[15:26] <BluesKaj> so i dumped it...my linux machines can share files with windows machines np
[15:26] <lordievader> Just standard linux networking stuff.
[15:27] <MonkeyDust> BluesKaj  for some reason, it won't here...
[15:27] <MonkeyDust> just checked, no VT setting in the BIOS
[15:27] <daftykins> MonkeyDust: i take it you're on an up to date vbox?
[15:27] <daftykins> i typically use vmware personally ;x
[15:27] <BluesKaj> lordievader, i tried that tutorial you gave me for qemu-kvm netwoking ...no luck
[15:28] <lordievader> BluesKaj: How did you configure it?
[15:28] <MonkeyDust> virrtualbox 4.3.10
[15:28] <EriC^> MonkeyDust: are the other distro's 32bit by any chance?
[15:28] <MonkeyDust> EriC^  yes, all
[15:28] <BluesKaj> the vbr bridging
[15:28] <EriC^> MonkeyDust: is the win8.1 64bit?
[15:29] <lordievader> BluesKaj: virbr0 is used for natting...
[15:29] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Did you nat or bridge?
[15:29] <lotuspsychje_> MonkeyDust: old machine, wich brand?
[15:29] <BluesKaj> it said it was bridging
[15:29]  * lordievader food :)
[15:29] <MonkeyDust> EriC^  it's 32bit
[15:30] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje_, but it's ok , it 's no longer needed
[15:30] <lotuspsychje_> lordievader: bon apetit!
[15:30] <MonkeyDust> and lotuspsychje_ it's an acer aspire
[15:30] <BluesKaj> oops sorry lotuspsychje_ , I mean lordievader
[15:31] <EriC^> MonkeyDust: that's odd, what's the error it's giving?
[15:31] <lotuspsychje_> MonkeyDust: i tryed lubuntu once on old acer aspire, and it didnt run smooth :p
[15:32] <daftykins> lol how old?
[15:32] <lotuspsychje_> MonkeyDust: is that with 40gig hd inside?
[15:32] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje_  i'm happy with it as it is
[15:32] <lotuspsychje_> daftykins: acer aspire 1392 or something
[15:32] <lotuspsychje_> daftykins: the only thing runned properly was xp on it
[15:33] <daftykins> :S
[15:33] <daftykins> i know some people that refuse to let XP die :(
[15:33] <lotuspsychje_> lolz
[15:33] <daftykins> using registry tweaks to make it appear as XP embedded so it keeps getting some updates
[15:33] <lotuspsychje_> daftykins: i think xp was already braindead for years with all those nasty exploits under tha hood :p
[15:33] <daftykins> too true
[15:34] <daftykins> the best i had was a friends mothers work laptop, she is a school teacher
[15:34] <daftykins> the school had contracted IT but they refused to deal with this rootkit because it was clever enough to disable itself and hide when at the school using their proxy
[15:35] <lotuspsychje_> lol
[15:35] <daftykins> they didn't really believe her saying that it was coming up with all kinds of popups when browsing at home
[15:35] <lotuspsychje_> daftykins: tell us the truth mate, you were spying the teachers hot pics with sub7 dont you :p
[15:36] <daftykins> lmao
[15:36] <daftykins> i was dating her daughter at the time so i think i was ok :D
[15:36] <lotuspsychje_> :p
[15:36] <lotuspsychje_> alot of people never look under the hood
[15:37] <daftykins> anywho i decided to take a stab, sure enough it'd redirect online searches and open adverts, all the usual fun of the fair - but i eventually bypassed the Admin password and found a kind of fake device manager entry which was the main hook allowing this thing to hide its' files from explorer
[15:37] <lotuspsychje_> they think their antivirus holds them clean
[15:37] <daftykins> once i disabled that i could scan the disk and kill it all off \o/
[15:37] <lotuspsychje_> fake device manager, thats new for me
[15:38] <lotuspsychje_> daftykins: you remember the rootkits name
[15:39] <daftykins> hrmmmm TDS something i think
[15:39] <daftykins> TDSS
[15:40] <lotuspsychje_> yeah rings a bell
[15:41] <daftykins> you had to enable 'show hidden devices' then it was buried under something like 'system devices' looking pretty cunningly named
[15:41] <daftykins> it was just through searching for the site i was being redirected to that i found a guide to remove it though, no real intelligence on my part
[15:42] <lotuspsychje_> TDSS is written in such a manner that detection becomes almost next to impossible. The installation of a rootkit like Rootkit.TDSS is made easier through PC users that log into their computers casually, imposing no access restrictions whatsoever.
[15:42] <daftykins> mmm
[15:42] <lotuspsychje_> nasty one http://www.wiki-security.com/wiki/Parasite/RootkitTDSS/
[15:44] <daftykins> was definitely the most intelligent i'd ever seen
[15:44] <daftykins> you'd find evidence of file locations but there'd be nothing there due to the explorer hooks
[15:45] <daftykins> it was like opening a safe after disabling the device manager entry, suddenly you saw all its' files
[15:45] <lotuspsychje_> never seen such one
[15:47] <daftykins> i wondered if the contract IT would have ever noticed i had to change the admin password :D
[15:47] <lotuspsychje_> lol
[15:48] <daftykins> -d
[15:48] <daftykins> ugh bad typing today
[15:49] <lotuspsychje_> alot of admins dont know about rootkits
[15:49] <lotuspsychje_> they think their network is safe
[15:51] <daftykins> i could understand that one in a way, they're in the school on the proxy and none of the symptoms she'd report would show up
[15:51] <daftykins> oh yeah it was even one of those ones bright enough to kill processes with common names, so task manager wouldn't run - notepad... tonnes of others
[15:52] <lotuspsychje_> triggered from the botnet
[15:53] <daftykins> :D
[15:53] <daftykins> what makes me laugh is when you find some with "irc.exe" running
[15:53] <lotuspsychje_> lol
[15:54] <lotuspsychje_> or joke names like serv1ce.exe
[15:54] <daftykins> 8D
[15:54] <lotuspsychje_> explorerer.exe
[15:55] <daftykins> the TDSS one naturally could hide processes too :/
[15:57] <lotuspsychje_> and re-trigger itself after removal
[16:00] <lotuspsychje_> ok dinnertime here
[16:00] <lotuspsychje_> cheers and laterz
[16:05] <MonkeyDust> W8.1 is installing, i have a preview key at hand...
[16:09] <daftykins> you may be fully updated as of Wednesday (:
[16:09] <BluesKaj> or later :)
[16:12] <BluesKaj> windows updates is the most frustrating,  crappy lil repos with millions of users accessing at the same time, it's bloody ridiculous
[16:13] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[16:21] <OerHeks> Yeah, people pay an awfull lot of money for windows
[16:21] <OerHeks> ...
[16:36] <BluesKaj> I've received activted W7 and earlier versions from relatives' workplace OSs
[16:37] <OerHeks> Me once paid for windows vista, because i wanted to build my pc myself.
[16:38] <MonkeyDust> great, works, even without key
[16:40] <daftykins> it's quite easy to disable key requirements for installation on Windows media
[16:40] <daftykins> glad they're finally switching to something almost resembling free for Windows 10 though
[16:42] <daftykins> oh by the way since all the work we do is solely to enable access to cat pics and videos, here's one of mine for you all! :D
[16:42] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/68t62blrc55f1it/VID_20150420_015606.mp4?dl=0
[16:43] <MonkeyDust> cat pics and cute baby pics... is why the internet was invented
[16:43] <MonkeyDust> and lunch pics ;)
[16:44] <daftykins> :D
[16:44] <daftykins> baby ones i'm immune to ;)
[16:51] <EriC^> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwI8qi9uam0
[16:53] <daftykins> "When life gives you lemons... you're this guys kid" :)
[16:54] <EriC^> lol
[16:54] <EriC^> this is pretty funny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NDkVx9AzSY
[16:55] <BluesKaj> babies always remind me how old I am, my youngest grandchild is now a teenager :P
[16:55] <daftykins> genuine panic @ 30 seconds XD
[16:56] <EriC^> daftykins: yeah haha
[16:56] <daftykins> hehe
[16:56] <daftykins> BluesKaj: don't tell me that! you're reminding me how much i should be doing far more things rather than giving free help online XD
[16:57] <daftykins> i'm just a youngster of 30 :P
[16:57] <daftykins> and only became that in Feb so i'm still reeling at having typed it
[16:58] <BluesKaj> daftykins, yeah I remember turning 30, thought i was getting old then too :)
[16:58] <daftykins> sure feels it
[16:58] <daftykins> apart from the fact i refuse to grow up!
[16:59] <EriC^> i turned 29 recently, it felt pretty big 28 -> 29
[16:59] <EriC^> seems like there's no buffer or something
[16:59] <EriC^> haha
[16:59] <daftykins> :D
[17:00] <daftykins> the card from my parents at 29 said 'make the most of the last of your 20s'
[17:00] <daftykins> that was when the fear set in ;)
[17:01] <BluesKaj> fear not daftykins ...it only gets worse :)
[17:01] <daftykins> yaaaay \o/
[17:02] <daftykins> just watched a bit more of the Jimmy Kimmel thing, if you think about it the parents basically have no way of telling off the kids for their resulting tantrums
[17:02] <daftykins> it's pretty evil :P
[17:04] <EriC^> yeah it is :P
[17:04] <EriC^> this is pretty nuts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKuB39b0SxI
[17:05] <EriC^> daftykins: what do you mean telling off?
[17:06] <EriC^> you mean they can't tell them they were j/k?
[17:07] <daftykins> imagine if a kid gets so stroppy they make some real damage though :D
[17:08] <EriC^> lol
[17:08] <daftykins> like the quiet one walks off to their room to sulk, but secretly lets the handbrake off in the car and watches it roll down the hill
[17:08] <EriC^> lol
[17:09] <EriC^> that'd be funny
[17:09] <daftykins> which leads to the obliatory: http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/227827/1036325.png
[17:09] <daftykins> *obligatory
[17:09] <EriC^> they tell them they're j/k right away though
[17:12] <daftykins> d'aww the little one "we'll get some more next time..."
[17:12] <EriC^> yeah
[17:13] <daftykins> hrmm wonder if my lappy will appreciate a vacuumed keyboard whilst powered on
[17:15] <EriC^> when i was about 6, i was watching cartoons on a saturday morning and i broke the antenna and my dad had warned me not to mess with it, so i fixed it, and turned the tv off, then dad comes home later and he wanted to watch the lebanese news on his tv channel (i was in the usa), anyways he's like wth isn't this working? then he notices the antenna is taped together with scotch tape and he freaks out
[17:15] <EriC^> oops, that was kind of long..
[17:16] <daftykins> :D
[17:17] <daftykins> aaah i'm so glad this channel exists
[17:18] <daftykins> good to have an exchange with you lot that isn't just a subtle nod at some crazy that's come in ;)
[17:18] <EriC^> hehe yeah ;)
[17:18] <daftykins> otherwise #ubuntu tends to be like this for me - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEmklTvAkbM
[17:20] <EriC^> lool
[17:20] <EriC^> :D
[18:18] <daftykins> http://blog.releases.com/home/2015/4/20/amds-ceo-reveals-windows-10-releasing-in-july
[18:18] <daftykins> well well well
[18:18] <daftykins> don't even need to click to get the gist of that article
[18:34] <OerHeks> It's windows 9 :-D
[18:36] <daftykins> sure is
[18:36] <OerHeks> In Germany it would sound like windows "no"
[18:37] <daftykins> if a German support guy was thinking a customer was speaking of 7 first, then got corrected
[18:37] <daftykins> it'd be "Ach, nein!"
[18:37] <daftykins> \o/
[18:39] <MonkeyDust> nice, W8.1 works, but I have no use for it :p
[18:40] <OerHeks> MonkeyDust, at least it is a host for antivirus
[18:41] <MonkeyDust> it does have a use: rmember me that everything costs money in and for windows
[18:41] <MonkeyDust> remind*
[18:42] <OerHeks> well, it is a friendly way to leave your email, age, size of socks everywhere
[18:43] <OerHeks> *when you register software
[19:02] <BluesKaj> oops almost got caught in the google web, no pun intended
[19:03] <daftykins> MonkeyDust: but Linux costs me my youth and my hair :D
[19:03] <BluesKaj> thet insync app, wants to take over my internet 'experience' ..don't think so
[19:04] <daftykins> never heard of that one 0o
[19:04] <MonkeyDust> daftykins  nevertheless, "we are young, and we're free"
[19:05] <OerHeks> poor but happy :-D
[19:05] <OerHeks> Rich of dreams
[19:05] <daftykins> hehehe
[19:05] <OerHeks> millionairs know some other kind of poverty
[19:05] <daftykins> too true
[19:06] <OerHeks> get me that feeling :-D
[19:06] <MonkeyDust> ms hearts is no longer there...
[19:07] <OerHeks> It all went down with ms flightsimulator
[19:07] <MonkeyDust> oh, it's xbox now
[19:07] <daftykins> you actually seem to have to have an MS account and use their store to download and install fully connected online games now =|
[19:07] <daftykins> even the basic card ones
[19:08] <OerHeks> Still, my mom can use her gmail on win8
[19:23] <BluesKaj> I still use gmail, i just don't want it to take over my pc and surfing ...stick to email and browsers i say :)
[19:24] <BluesKaj> FF for browsing
[19:28] <daftykins> yeah i have chrome for gmail and then FF for browsing
[19:28] <daftykins> keeps things away from being tied to your account then, too
[19:32] <BluesKaj> well, i don't do twiter at all and facebook is a necessary evil in my circle so i put up with it, but otherwise I prefer to surf and do my own thing on line
[19:38] <daftykins> *nod* same here
[19:38] <daftykins> only touch facebook for the social obligations
[19:43] <JanC> the only facebook social obligation is not to use it...
[19:43] <JanC> everything else is asocial
[19:44] <daftykins> not when your friends are all turning 30 and they all send out invites via it
[19:45] <JanC> if they don't care to invite you in a socially acceptable way, they aren't friends
[19:46] <daftykins> i'm sorry but your opinions here are totally silly
[19:52] <lordievader> JanC: For many people Facebook is a socially acceptable way.
[19:53] <JanC> give me one objective reason why *forcing* somebody to join, and be exploited by, facebook would/should be socially acceptable?
[19:55] <lordievader> I am not saying that I find it personally acceptable. I am saying that for many people it is normal and therefore acceptable. You are allowed to disagree ;)
[19:56] <JanC> that's fine, as long as they don't force it onto others
[19:58] <daftykins> +1 to lordievader
[19:59] <daftykins> JanC: your opinion here however borders on the paranoid-online insane :/
[19:59] <daftykins> and it's cool to think that way, but i don't think we should have to hear about it
[20:02] <BluesKaj> oh facebook has it's advantages and it's a perfectly acceptable way to give and receive invitations in this day and age, but otherwise I just don't use it much
[20:13] <BluesKaj> anyway , it's time to sign off ...been an interesting day here gents, take care all
[22:55] <MonkeyDust> have I ever! I actually LIKE windows 8.1!!
[23:16] <daftykins> ...
[23:16] <daftykins> MonkeyDust: get out
[23:16] <daftykins> :D
[23:17] <EriC^> lol
[23:17] <EriC^> that reminded me of that kid and the drawers
[23:18] <EriC^> haha
[23:18] <daftykins> XD