[00:40] <ali1234> the heat sink just fell off my CPU :(
[00:46] <daftykins> fell!?
[00:46] <daftykins> how on earth...
[00:47] <ali1234> yes i was just sitting here and i heard a CLUNK noise inside the computer then the fan started getting louder and louder
[00:47] <ali1234> well, the plastic bracket which the heat sink clips on to... the tab has sheared right through
[00:47] <daftykins> we talking retail/OEM intel/AMD here?
[00:47] <ali1234> AMD Phenom 2 with retail heatsink
[00:48] <ali1234> broken part is on the Asus motherboard
[00:48] <daftykins> :S
[00:48] <daftykins> http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/cpu/amd/phenom2/955/fan1.jpg
[00:48] <daftykins> that sort?
[00:48] <ali1234> yes
[00:48] <ali1234> see the orange thing that the metal is hooked on to?
[00:48] <daftykins> wow that's going to be a real pain to whip out
[00:49] <daftykins> yep
[00:49] <ali1234> that has just snapped clean off
[00:49] <daftykins> mobo bracket :/
[00:49] <ali1234> i've already replaced it
[00:49] <daftykins> oh you had a handy spare :D
[00:49] <ali1234> my other computer has an asus motherboard too... bracket is almost identical
[00:54] <ali1234> https://plus.google.com/+AlistairBuxton/posts/caDnm8HyYCW
[00:57] <daftykins> :O
[06:35] <knightwise> morning peeps
[07:23] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:59] <diplo> Morning all
[08:00] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:05] <MooDoo> howdy
[08:09] <TwistedLucidity> Monday has slithered into existence once more
[08:10] <zmoylan-pi> and tightens it's coils around you happiness
[08:10] <zmoylan-pi> *your
[08:12] <TwistedLucidity> I had my happiness surgically removed, makes it easier to cope with life.
[08:12] <zmoylan-pi> the beatings will continue till morale improves-anonymous
[08:13] <TwistedLucidity> Ah, but this is the Age of Austerity, you now how to pay for your own beatings
[08:13] <popey> pip pip
[08:14]  * zmoylan-pi directs TwistedLucidity to a dublin bar and tells him to buy a shirley temple for everyone in the bar...
[08:18] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:19] <bashrc_> tzag
[08:20] <MooDoo> howdy davmor2
[08:42] <foobarry> why do tesco delivery always bring stuff that is so close to sell by date?
[08:43] <foobarry> i thought they had massive warehouses shipping stuff out all day long
[08:43] <foobarry> delivery driver "what's this film frozen?" lucky guy!
[08:43] <zmoylan-pi> good staff will make sure the close to stuff is shipped first.
[08:44] <foobarry> yeah but they also promise to give stuff within good range , not for 21st and 20th april
[08:44] <zmoylan-pi> it used to be a bugger after a day or two off sorting the fridge to get the close to date milk all the front to shift it
[08:44] <foobarry> on a pack of 8 youghurts
[08:44] <zmoylan-pi> ah, well, promise...
[08:45] <foobarry> well they wasted them now as the guy had to take it back
[08:46] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: We tried hope shopping from a couple of supermarkets at Chrimbo, all the same "Eat within 2 days or discard"
[08:46] <TwistedLucidity> We're actually now actively avoiding the supermarkets when we can. Better and cheaper produce at the local buther's etc
[08:47] <TwistedLucidity> And the local butcher's doesn't evade tax (AFAIK)
[08:47] <foobarry> what's a local butcher? they all closed years ago
[08:47] <TwistedLucidity> Two on our high street
[08:48] <foobarry> wow
[08:48] <popey> we have one
[08:48] <popey> best in the area
[08:48] <zmoylan-pi> not here.  most people still use local butchers and fish shops
[08:48]  * awilkins still has a local butcher
[08:48] <awilkins> At least one
[08:48] <awilkins> Several, actually
[08:48] <foobarry> also, got 50 paving slabs delivered for the patio. one pack of 25 had only 8 salvageable. all cracked/broken in half
[08:48] <TwistedLucidity> There's an award winning butcher about 15 mins by push bike too.
[08:48] <foobarry> broken britain
[08:48] <TwistedLucidity> Probably many more
[08:49] <bashrc_> I remember there being a local butcher when I was a kid. The only thing approximating that now would be in some larger supermarkets
[08:49] <awilkins> Remember the sawdust on the floor?
[08:49] <foobarry> i know a trained butcher who is out of work as no local butchers
[08:49] <diplo> We have butchers as well, the local market is even better
[08:50] <TwistedLucidity> I asked the fishmonger in the local tax-evasion emporium how to cook some fish. He looked at me blankly and handed me a free ready-made sauce. Never went back for fish.
[08:50] <foobarry> except for the "halal" ones
[08:50] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Suggest to him that he go to a local enterprise scheme and start one
[08:51] <zmoylan-pi> lots of empty shop spaces around these days
[08:51] <bashrc_> "tax-evasion emporium". heh. Sad, but true
[08:51] <TwistedLucidity> Our two seem to be rammed every day.
[08:51] <foobarry> could be a lot of places? starbucks? amazon? vodafone?
[08:52] <TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: Indeed. But if our council is anything to go by, they want big-name "beacon brands" to move in so we become just like any other town in the UK
[08:52] <TwistedLucidity> Perish the thought that a local enterprise might start up and provide something unique!
[08:52] <TwistedLucidity> Not enough back-hand deals in that.
[08:52] <bashrc_> competition is out of fashion
[08:53] <foobarry> is it soap box day today?
[08:53] <foobarry> tat reminds me, need to post my vote
[08:53] <awilkins> Wanting big brands to move in is mental
[08:54] <awilkins> (unless you are receiving a substantial bribe of some kind)
[08:54] <TwistedLucidity> bashrc_: It cracks me up when I do go into other of them that you see signs like "<Big Name> caring for our community" and then some tripe about how they are teaching children that burgers come from boxes (or whatever).
[08:54] <popey> http://www.woodsbutchers.com/
[08:54] <popey> \o/
[08:54] <awilkins> They siphon as much money as they can away from your area
[08:54] <TwistedLucidity> Keep thinking that I whould go in with so pre-printed choice words on stickers
[08:55] <awilkins> As an engineer, I like efficiency. But efficient at what?
[08:56] <awilkins> Biology is a better example than engineering for living communities - life extracts everything it can from every drop of sunshine, doesn't just try and ship as much of it as possible to Lichtenstein
[08:56] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Butcher's top-tumps? http://www.jtbeedham.com/
[08:57] <zmoylan-pi> http://www.dun-laoghaire.com/profile/hicks/ so small they don't even bother with their own web site :-)
[08:58] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: And councils fall over themselves to invite the cancerous parasites in, often despite local opposition. Just a shame they get footfall; if more people refused, they'd go out of business.
[08:58] <TwistedLucidity> Thing is, they tend to kill the local shops as quick as they can so residents have no choice.
[09:06] <foobarry> haven't heard about novacut project in a long time
[09:07] <popey> dont think he has much time to work on that
[09:07] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Chinese Language Day! :-D
[09:08] <awilkins> 欢乐中国语言一天 !
[09:08] <zmoylan-pi> free soup? where? :-P
[09:08] <awilkins> 并可能你的猪繁荣
[09:09] <foobarry> i remember when there was a lot of noise about it
[09:09] <foobarry> (mainly on OMG i guess)
[09:09] <davmor2> JamesTait: I'll have some "Flied Lice" with that :D
[09:10] <foobarry> there is still room for a decent ubuntu blog reporting on various projects since omg seems to have dialled down on that area
[09:10] <foobarry> is there a way to remove dupes from g+
[09:10] <awilkins> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLLyeMm8ZK0
[09:11] <foobarry> people like verge and boingboing seem to dupe post an awful lot and makes me unsubscribe them for noise reasons
[09:14] <foobarry> i remember when everyone saved up on OMG to buy a laptop for bilal to work on novacut..
[09:15] <davmor2> awilkins: You plick
[09:37] <DJones> Stupid Dell, please use decent keyboards on Lattitude 3540's, having to hit the numeric keypad buttons with enough force to hammer nails in isn't a good selling point
[09:42] <zmoylan-pi> but it will give accountants backup training as chiropractors...
[09:47] <davmor2> DJones: you mean you are not thor?
[09:48] <zmoylan-pi> i think he needs to type on model m for a few months to build up finger strength...
[09:52] <DJones> I'll just keep hitting the buttons hard, maybe they'll ease off after a bit of use
[10:00] <awilkins> Naah, model M doesn't need finger strength
[10:00] <awilkins> Model M lets you be very efficient by providing tactile feedback
[10:00] <awilkins> Less effort, less rsi
[10:01]  * zmoylan-pi seems to remember one with lots of resistance...
[10:01] <bashrc_> true
[10:02] <bashrc_> I think hitting buttons hard is especially a problem on laptops where the keys don't have much travel
[10:04] <zmoylan-pi> and yet my psion 3a with audible feedback allowed me to type 40wpm no problems in mid 90s and almost no travel on the keys
[10:05] <awilkins> Laptop keyboards are often better than el-cheapo membrane keyboards
[10:05] <awilkins> They're still membrane keyboards, but those individual rubber cups they use on each key seem to provide better feedback
[10:05] <zmoylan-pi> i got a €15 blue tooth keyboard.  rubber membrane that feels like zx spectrum keyboard
[10:05] <awilkins> Yuck
[10:06] <zmoylan-pi> but €15 :-D
[10:06] <awilkins> And WIRELESS
[10:06] <awilkins> So you can wave it around while using it
[10:06] <awilkins> Typing isn't something you have to do while staying still anymore!
[10:06] <zmoylan-pi> took me an hour to decode the engrish instructions.
[10:07] <zmoylan-pi> printed in a booklet that opened fully was smaller than a postcard
[10:08] <foobarry> i got an great BT keyboard for aorund 20£
[10:10] <bashrc_> the better laptop keyboards use scissor switches
[10:10] <foobarry> don't use it as much as i thought
[10:12] <zmoylan-pi> i had a stowaway keyboard for palm iiix in 90s and almost never used it.  but it was so so cool :-)
[10:13] <awilkins> scissor switches are the ones with the wee rubber cup under them
[10:14] <awilkins> The scissor just stops them being all flobby
[10:16] <zmoylan-pi> ah the stowaway.  made the palm look super high tech... :-) http://danbricklin.com/log/stowaway.htm
[10:16] <bashrc_> heh
[10:17] <bashrc_> I used some later generation winCE PDAs. But the PDA concept was later replaced by smartphones
[10:18] <zmoylan-pi> smartphones haven't to my mind caught up with pda functionality yet
[10:19] <zmoylan-pi> pdas like psion and later palm were independent computers with as much funtionality crammed in whereas smart phones are merely terminals to the cloud which is not always around
[10:19] <bashrc_> I think I can do everything on a smartphone now that I could on a PDA 15 years ago, and more besides
[10:20] <zmoylan-pi> go for a week between recharges? :-P
[10:20] <bashrc_> depends how much I use it, but battery life on the winCE PDAs was also not especially good
[10:21] <zmoylan-pi> well wince were a bit of a joke. i never saw one in use for more than a few weeks
[10:21] <zmoylan-pi> whereas i saw psions everywhere. and palm
[10:21] <bashrc_> I used one between about 2000 and 2005
[10:22] <bashrc_> the psions were good, but more expensive
[10:22] <zmoylan-pi> i averaged about 40 hours a week on the psions. used at work and at home
[10:22] <zmoylan-pi> i used it instead of pc at home as it did everything i wanted
[10:29] <directhex_> yay, i have a cable!
[10:32] <davmor2> popey, MooDoo: you guys will appreciate this.  I woke up this morning with this song stuck in my head https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14b-BASNVdI
[10:36] <MooDoo> davmor2: oh how I loved kim
[10:37] <davmor2> MooDoo: :)
[12:41] <davmor2> is popey on holiday irc is always quiet when he is :D
[12:41] <zmoylan-pi> could be mondayitis?
[12:52] <Myrtti_> I have post-Finnish General Election mental hangover.
[12:53] <popey> davmor2: sprint in london
[12:53] <Myrtti_> hubby entertained himself last night while I was watching the Finnish election results rolling in by coding in Ruby a calculation on how 2010 British General Election had gone if the same votes were counted in the method used in Finland.
[12:53] <Myrtti_> (and on European Parliament election)
[12:53] <davmor2> popey: hence the silence
[12:53] <popey> just had a nice walk around the park at lunchtime
[12:55] <davmor2> popey: I had a nice walk down stairs mind you that's about as far as I wanted to go too :)
[12:56] <bashrc_> the weather is sunny out
[12:56] <Myrtti> yeah, laundry day
[12:56] <zmoylan-pi> it's a trap!!
[12:57] <zmoylan-pi> it's luring you out into the open...
[12:57] <Myrtti> UV hat and new sunscreen lotion to the rescue!
[12:58] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: I've heard of this mythical outside before I don't put much faith in it's existence
[12:58] <foobarry> i felt dizzy and photosensitive outside today
[12:59] <zmoylan-pi> if the outside was so great why have humans developed all this technology to enclose and make it nice inside?
[13:14] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: more import if the outside is so great why do complain about it all the time and invent things like clothes and sunblock to protect against it
[13:15] <directhex_> there are bears outside
[13:15] <zmoylan-pi> or transport system to get away from local outside?
[13:15] <directhex_> maybe
[13:15] <directhex_> i don't want to risk being mauled
[13:16] <zmoylan-pi> all the bears in ireland left long ago to become polar bears.  to get away from the cold i suspect
[13:17] <zmoylan-pi> :-) http://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/jul/07/polar-bear-ancestors-ireland
[14:00] <foobarry> someone do me a favour. any gmail users with chrome hit shift-esc and tell me how much RAM gmail is using pls
[14:02] <popey> 369MB
[14:02] <foobarry> mine was using 1gb
[14:03] <foobarry> closed the tab and reopened, now using 300-500mb
[14:04] <zmoylan-pi> don't you hate when the os/client and service are coming from 3 separate companies? :-P
[14:10] <davmor2> MooDoo, popey, knightwise: http://open.spotify.com/user/1142386698/playlist/1PW4VnQ5j1IEXO8DGVIQFQ is a fantastic album :)
[14:11] <davmor2> bigcalm: ^ you might like it too
[14:11] <foobarry> gah, keep typing last when i mean tail
[14:12] <davmor2> foobarry: alias last to tail :D
[14:12] <zmoylan-pi> and the first shall be last and the last shall be mucked up...
[14:13] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: no you change First to head obviously durrrr
[14:20] <MooDoo> davmor2: listening now
[14:20] <MooDoo> yay synth pop
[14:21] <davmor2> MooDoo: new album that I saw during lunch break and thought I might have a listen to that
[14:51] <MooDoo> davmor2: it's pretty good :D
[14:52] <davmor2> MooDoo: That's why I recommended it :D
[14:53] <davmor2> Will you rock me Amadeus
[14:53] <MooDoo> tainted love ;)
[15:52] <diddledan> arta noon
[15:52] <daftykins> ah greetings dan of the diddle
[15:52] <diddledan> oo arr
[15:53] <diddledan> I think that's about the extent of my hampshire accent
[15:54] <diddledan> countryfolk
[15:54] <diddledan> speaking of which, what's the difference between a city fire engine and a country fire engine?
[15:55] <daftykins> the mechanism making the siren?
[15:55] <diddledan> close. the city engine goes NEENAH NEENAH NEENAH whereas the country one goes oo arr. ooh arr. ooh arr.
[15:55] <daftykins> :>
[15:56] <daftykins> needs a few *neigh* *winny winny* in there to indicate horse-drawn
[15:56] <diddledan> lolk
[15:56] <diddledan> --k
[15:56] <diddledan> clickity clack?
[15:56] <diddledan> or is that a train?
[15:56] <daftykins> i'm not sure one fights fires in heels ;)
[15:57] <diddledan> well he would be fabulous if he did
[15:57] <diddledan> good ol' susan
[15:59] <diddledan> ref: https://youtu.be/fsQCrWMQ8_Q?t=5852
[15:59] <diddledan> can't actually find just that bit in a legal copy
[16:01] <daftykins> what on earth was that O_O
[16:01] <diddledan> it's "meet dave"
[16:01] <diddledan> you never seen it?
[16:02] <daftykins> newp!
[16:05] <diddledan> tis fun if you don't overthink it
[16:10] <diddledan> heh, just read the phrase "securit impact of wifi on a plane" and it reminded me of another film that you really mustn't think at all when watching: snakes on a plane
[16:11] <davmor2> diddledan: could be worse could be tribbles on a plane
[16:12] <bashrc_> hippos on a plane
[16:13] <diddledan> lol
[16:13] <davmor2> bashrc: I'd rather hippos than tribbles
[16:14] <zmoylan-pi> sharks on a plane
[16:15] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: you just being daft now.....unless it's flying fog sharks
[16:16] <zmoylan-pi> nah, mutant sharks with lasers obviously
[16:17] <diddledan> they don't need to be mutant to have lasers on their heads
[16:17] <zmoylan-pi> but they need lungs to be able to breath on the plane
[16:17] <diddledan> hmm
[16:17] <diddledan> point
[16:18] <zmoylan-pi> the lasers are just to distract any cats that might also be on the plane
[16:18] <zmoylan-pi> kinda writes itself... :-P
[16:29]  * awilkins has had it with these melon-farming cats on this melon-farming plane
[16:29] <awilkins> (we're going to the Florida Melon Growers Association Convention)
[16:38] <daftykins> my cat cares not for lasers
[16:38] <daftykins> she doesn't even need accessories for fun: https://www.dropbox.com/s/68t62blrc55f1it/VID_20150420_015606.mp4?dl=0
[16:40] <diddledan> lol - I love that cats just can't grok that the tail is their own at times
[16:40] <diddledan> I also like when they cuddle it
[16:40] <daftykins> :D
[16:40] <diddledan> like a teddy
[16:41] <diddledan> I'd totally cuddle my tail if I had one
[16:41] <daftykins> now the sun has returned i can see just how disgusting my laptop keyboard looks :(
[16:41] <diddledan> lol
[16:42] <daftykins> sometimes i think she does know it's hers... just it refuses to come along quietly and be bathed
[16:42] <daftykins> so she opens a can of cat-like administration upon it
[16:42] <diddledan> hehe
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> http://thecodelesscode.com/case/188
[16:53] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[16:53] <bigcalm> popey: FYI, I'm bigcuthy
[16:54] <popey> bigcalm: on what?
[16:55] <bigcalm> On things that I am not bigcalm
[16:55] <bigcalm> ;)
[16:55] <bigcalm> gta v
[16:55] <popey> oh
[16:55] <popey> ah
[16:55] <popey> can't play that tonightr
[16:55]  * popey is in that London
[16:55] <bigcalm> Boo, pfft
[16:55] <davmor2> bigcalm: you got it working in the end then
[16:55] <bigcalm> davmor2: it updated and started working
[16:56] <bigcalm> Quite pleased that I had today booked off work
[16:56] <davmor2> bigcalm: \o/
[16:56] <bigcalm> Though it reminded me how pants I am at such games
[17:02] <davmor2> bigcalm: hahahahahaha
[17:23] <diddledan> this is a fun quote from a sky rep: "very few people in the UK actually need 152mb, unless you have over a dozen computers in your house all downloading illegally, streaming and online gaming on multiple devices all at the same time."
[17:24] <diddledan> I like that they have to be downloading illegally
[17:24] <diddledan> ref: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/furious-sky-customer-spends-96-5554219
[17:25] <daftykins> :D
[17:27] <daftykins> it's like the Comcast thing in the US only longer-winded
[17:35] <DJones> diddledan: That sounds like the Virgin broadband reps that come to our house, we can offer you 150Mb broadband, my reply is always, OK when are you going to dig the roads/pavements up to install cable in this area..........They disappear quicker than the road runnner chased by wyle-e-cayotee
[17:37] <davmor2> hahahahahahaha 152mb hahahahahahahahahahaha
[17:40] <diddledan> I have no idea why virgin were diggin my road last weds
[17:40] <diddledan> it seems they've put a new fibre to the cab
[17:40] <diddledan> maybe they're having issues with contention
[17:45] <diddledan> although there is this rumour: http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/6929-virgin-media-300-mbps-ultrafast-cable-service-spotted.html
[17:45] <daftykins> DJones: :D
[17:45] <daftykins> that's like the Sky or BT reps that phone channel islanders
[17:45] <daftykins> "we can offer you broadband!"
[17:45] <daftykins> "no you can't, you do not operate here..."
[17:48] <directhex_> i get 76 meg down and it's fine. more would be nice, but i don't feel speed is a major issue
[17:48] <diddledan> I really want symmetric
[17:49] <diddledan> I hate slow upload
[17:49] <directhex_> i get 76 up
[17:49] <directhex_> er, 16
[17:49] <daftykins> that'd be sweet
[17:58] <daftykins> whoa my friend that lives in Jersey tells me he told TV licensing he doesn't need one, but he's still getting a court summons
[17:59] <diddledan> grr
[18:01] <davmor2> daftykins: that's okay as long as he can prove that he doesn't need one there isn't a problem
[18:01] <DJones> daftykins: So, they're over 75 or don't have a tv? That seems tobe the only exemptions
[18:02] <daftykins> yeah, just amazed they're that desperate over there.
[18:02] <daftykins> DJones: nah, policy has come a long way over the years... you now only have to be someone that actively uses broadcast live TV
[18:02] <daftykins> or records live TV
[18:03] <DJones> Heh, we've got things like dumb-enders etc to be paid for
[18:03] <daftykins> X|
[18:03] <daftykins> you can even use iPlayer without paying for a license
[18:08] <diddledan> daftykins: iplayer only non-live
[18:08] <diddledan> if you're watching live streams on iplayer you need a license
[18:08] <daftykins> yep
[18:08] <diddledan> seems silly to me to differentiate like that
[18:08] <daftykins> tough one to prove really, mmm
[21:22] <ali1234> so ipv6
[21:22] <ali1234> i need to enter the ipv6 address of my server into the google developer console
[21:23] <ali1234> but it says my address is invalid
[21:23] <ali1234> ifconfig says my address ends with ::2/64 and google will not accept this
[21:23] <diddledan> ali1234: without the /64
[21:23] <ali1234> what does it mean?
[21:24] <diddledan> it's the netmask
[21:24] <ali1234> i know what it means in ipv4
[21:24] <ali1234> what does the ::2 mean though?
[21:24] <ali1234> google will accept it without the ::2
[21:24] <diddledan> ::2 is a load of zeroes ending in 2
[21:24] <diddledan> it's a shorthand way of reducing the length of address for typing
[21:25] <ali1234> so :: means "pad this bit with zeros to the required length?"
[21:25] <diddledan> i.e. fe80::1 is fe80:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0002 (I think that's the right number of breaks)
[21:25] <diddledan> 1**
[21:25] <ali1234> google says these are valid ip addresses: One IP address or subnet per line. Example: 192.168.0.1, 172.16.0.0/16, 2001:db8::1 or 2001:db8::/64
[21:26] <ali1234> but 2001:db8::1/64 is not valid
[21:26] <diddledan> a subnet doens't end in 1
[21:26] <diddledan> a subnet ends in 0 so you knock off the 1 and leave it ending in ::
[21:27] <ali1234> so what is ifconfig telling me?
[21:27] <diddledan> ifconfig is telling you the actual address of your machine and netmask
[21:28] <ali1234> it's saying "your ip is blah::2 and you netmask is blah::/64"
[21:28] <diddledan> no the netmask is just the /64
[21:28] <ali1234> right, or course
[21:28] <diddledan> and the ip is blah::2
[21:29] <ali1234> blah::/64 would be the network address?
[21:29] <diddledan> yup
[21:29] <ali1234> right
[21:30] <ali1234> that should be what i need then
[21:30] <ali1234> i think this server has a whole subnet assigned to it, because ipv6 space is cheap
[21:30] <diddledan> if it was aaaa:bbbb:cccc:dddd:eeee:ffff/64 however, the network address would be just aaaa:bbbb:cccc::
[21:30] <ali1234> yes but that would not be a valid network address
[21:31] <diddledan> similar to how in ip4 land 192.168.1.1/24's network is 192.168.1.0
[21:31] <ali1234> yeah this form won;t accept 192.168.1.1/24 either for exactly the same reason
[21:32] <diddledan> yes so you either want 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.1.0/24
[21:34] <ali1234> thanks
[21:36] <ali1234> gah, google developer console is just broken anyway
[21:36] <ali1234> server isn't using ipv6 at all, the key just stopped working for no reason
[21:36] <ali1234> making a new one with the exact same settings works fine
[23:39] <diddledan> err.. http://gizmodo.com/this-craigslister-made-the-most-ridiculous-used-car-ad-1698053395
[23:40] <daftykins> ;]
[23:52] <daftykins> diddledan: you pretty good with mysql and apache2 tweaking on the memory footprint front?
[23:52] <daftykins> my clean install of 14.04 server is so much more bloated than 10.04 with the same config :<
[23:53] <ali1234> really? how so?
[23:53] <daftykins> well, hardly comes as a surprise given times change i guess
[23:54] <ali1234> not so much in server land
[23:54] <daftykins> the little VM has 256MB RAM and runs a simple wordpress site
[23:54] <ali1234> oh jeez
[23:54] <daftykins> tends to get next to no visits per month :)
[23:54] <ali1234> yeah that's not going to end well
[23:54] <daftykins> worked fine with lucid :D
[23:54] <daftykins> never used to dip into swap for example
[23:55] <daftykins> seemed mysql was the main offender, not sure if i can reduce that via its' config
[23:55] <daftykins> query_cache_limit = 1M, query_cache_size = 16M
[23:55] <daftykins> hrmm
[23:55] <ali1234> "swap" is pretty much meaningless on a 256mb VM
[23:55] <daftykins> how-so?
[23:56] <ali1234> well assuming you bought it from a hosting company
[23:56] <daftykins> nah it's at home 100% under my control, this thing is just a muckabout
[23:56] <ali1234> that's different then
[23:56] <ali1234> hosting companies always over provision their cheap VMs
[23:56] <ali1234> it's likely that you only really have 32MB of real memory on a 256MB VM
[23:56] <daftykins> yeah
[23:57] <ali1234> the kernel needs X amount of true unswappable memory, the rest is fake
[23:57] <ali1234> 1and1 are particularly bad for this, they give you like 8MB and the kernel will crash if you open too many files even if you have hundreds of "MB" free
[23:57] <daftykins> lol oh dear
[23:58] <ali1234> (note, file size doesn't matter, you run out of space for file handles in the kernel)
[23:58] <diddledan> a lot of cheap VMs are also openvz
[23:58] <ali1234> yes, 1and1 is openvz
[23:58] <ali1234> it's totally awful
[23:59] <daftykins> ok fresh boot sits at 240MB used right away, 7MB free - swap untouched