[00:02] <nhaines> Ooh, I didn't remember penguins.  But yeah, the jellyfish at the Long Beach Aquarium were pretty cool.
[00:03] <pleia2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/6422051177/in/set-72157628199907705 penguins :D
[00:03] <darthrobot> Title: [IMG_3174 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!]
[00:03] <pleia2> that was a nice trip
[00:14] <nhaines> pleia2, akk: oh, you might know this.  In the story they go back out to the "pier" around dinnertime to see sea lions laying on the rocks.  Is that big there or might there be otters?
[00:15] <akk> I've never seen otters on the rocks.
[00:15] <nhaines> And then I'm going back to what I'm actually being paid for, which is line editing.  :P
[00:15] <nhaines> akk: no, they'd be floating in the ocean.
[00:15] <akk> I can't remember if the sea lions are on the rocks or mostly in the water.
[00:15] <akk> But yes, there are likely otters floating in the ocean.
[00:15] <akk> Usually they're a bit farther out, not right by the pier/restaurant/etc. like the seals are.
[00:16] <akk> But I wouldn't be surprised if you could see them from the pier; certainly it's not uncommon to see them from shore in Santa Cruz, should be at least as good in Monterey.
[00:16] <pleia2> nhaines: oh! there's a place beyond cannery row (we drove) where there were other restaurants and lots of sea lions
[00:17] <akk> Also, you might not see otters unless you knew to look for them, but you can't miss the sea lions, they're noisy.
[00:18] <pleia2> looks like Coast Guard Pier is where they often are
[00:21] <nhaines> Suuuper, thanks. :)
[00:21]  * ianorlin hasn't been to monetery
[00:22] <ianorlin> although I wonder if anyone has used linux on top of hurd peak
[00:26] <nhaines> The clear choice would be GNU/Hurd.
[00:28] <pleia2> they just did a release the other day, up to 0.6!
[00:28] <pleia2> exciting stuff ;)
[00:28] <pleia2> my first LUG meeting was on GNU/Hurd, I had just started using Linux, it's a wonder it didn't scare me off entirely
[00:29] <nhaines> ha!
[00:33] <ianorlin> but that is a real place
[00:33] <pleia2> yeah, I just got distracted with the mention of GNU/Hurd :)
[00:51] <akk> ianorlin: Or has anyone used Linux for a research project on gnus.
[00:51] <ianorlin>  /me hopefully should get dinner before meeting as I am hungry
[01:33] <nhaines> Meeting in 30!
[01:36] <pleia2> nhaines: did you ever write a blog post re: scale?
[01:37] <nhaines> pleia2: still sadly in the queue.
[01:37] <pleia2> thought so, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing it :)
[01:38] <nhaines> It *is* in the queue though.  :)
[01:38] <pleia2> did we ever get photos from anyone?
[01:39] <pleia2> there were a couple here and there on social media
[01:39] <nhaines> I don't think so.  I have booth and team photos.
[01:39] <pleia2> ok, working on backlog of team reports, so we can just update here if any turn up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/TeamReports/15/February
[01:39] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/TeamReports/15/February - Ubuntu Wiki]
[01:39] <nhaines> <3
[01:54]  * elky peers in
[01:55] <nhaines> _o/
[01:55] <ianorlin> o/
[01:55] <pleia2> o/
[01:59] <nhaines> Well, that's 80% of this editing project and 2/3rds of my dinner finished.  I guess we'll have the meeting once I can copy/paste some URLs.  :)
[02:00] <nhaines> #startmeeting
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[02:00] <pleia2> o/
[02:00] <nhaines> #chair nhaines elky ianorlin
[02:00] <darthrobot> Current chairs: elky ianorlin nhaines
[02:00] <elky> \o
[02:00] <nhaines> Hi everyone, welcome to our biweekly LoCo meeting!  :)
[02:00] <nhaines> The agenda for this meeting is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/15April19
[02:00] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/15April19 - Ubuntu Wiki]
[02:01] <nhaines> A couple people have chimed in.  Is anyone else attending?
[02:02] <nhaines> Okay, so we'll discuss the only agenda item.
[02:02] <nhaines> #topic Review mailing list feedback about online meeting schedule.
[02:02] <pleia2> I was the only one who sent feedback, so I win
[02:02] <nhaines> +1
[02:03] <nhaines> I intended to reply to you but I've been working through the weekend unfortunately.  But I was glad you chimed in.
[02:03] <pleia2> so do you have any in-meeting/offlist reply now?
[02:04] <nhaines> In general, I think that the miscellaneous business can be handled better on the mailing list, and not require a meeting.
[02:04] <ianorlin> yeah as the list does seem quite quiet recently
[02:04] <elky> i'm currently trying to dinner, so i can't really type one out right now. but i find fortnightly meetings to be too much personally
[02:04] <nhaines> The mailing list goes to all active LoCo members and IRC logs don't.
[02:04] <pleia2> yeah, my concern is that we won't come up with miscellaneous business if we're not meeting
[02:04] <pleia2> people drift off
[02:04] <nhaines> So I would like to address that--preferably with a more active mailing list.
[02:05] <elky> well the only misc business is currently about empty meetings, so that probably says something
[02:05] <nhaines> Especially because it's always the same 7 or 8 people in meetings all the time.  All of whom I value but I worry about echo chambers.
[02:05] <pleia2> the no agenda meeting a few weeks back had someone reading the logs who ended up hosting the last SF Ubuntu Hour
[02:06] <ianorlin> yeah that is true but have they come to another meeting?
[02:06] <nhaines> Yes, but I got the impression he was already on the mailing list.
[02:06] <pleia2> ianorlin: they didn't come for that meeting, they read the logs
[02:06] <ianorlin> ah
[02:06] <pleia2> so people do that :)
[02:06] <nhaines> pleia2: I took your point for granted, but I was happy to see it illustrated to keenly.
[02:07] <nhaines> s/to/so/
[02:07] <pleia2> it wouldn't break my heart to move to monthly meetings, just trying to make sure all views are seen here
[02:07] <ianorlin> yeah I wish there was more attnednece to meetings as well
[02:07] <nhaines> pleia2: well, that's why I wanted feedback.  :)
[02:08] <nhaines> So the trick now is to try and figure out why there was basically no feedback.
[02:08] <elky> i already had my say in the meeting that's logged, so that mostly
[02:08] <nhaines> My suspicion, based on low meeting attendance, is that nobody was bothered enough to respond.
[02:09] <ianorlin> also I find I get quite a few emails about bugs so if people don't reply I may get lost and not respond to a nonactive thread
[02:10] <ianorlin> but that might not be a problem for less active users who we are trying to get to contribute more
[02:10] <nhaines> What about this?  What if we look at 2014 and 2015 meetings and see how many had no set agenda?
[02:11] <nhaines> If it's a significant amount, we should move to monthly meetings that are not cancelled due to lack of agenda items.
[02:11] <pleia2> wfm
[02:11] <elky> that would be a good metric
[02:11] <ianorlin> what does wfm mean?
[02:11] <nhaines> That way we lessen the administrative burden of meetings while still guaranteeing that someone doesn't accommodate a meeting that doesn't end up happening.
[02:11] <nhaines> ianorlin: "works for me"
[02:12] <ianorlin> ah that makes sense
[02:12] <pleia2> sorry :)
[02:12] <nhaines> Meetings are important but people shouldn't be waiting for meetings to make smaller announcements.  The bulk of that should either happen in channel or on list as they come up.
[02:12] <ianorlin> yeah wating for meetings doesn't work good as you could forget to bring it up
[02:13] <elky> yeah, announcements are easy to lose
[02:13] <elky> list archives are nicer and more searchable than meeting logs by far
[02:13] <pleia2> so who wants to do meeting archeology?
[02:13] <nhaines> I'm less worried about announcements being "forgotten" as opposed to people sitting on announcements and losing time for comments or collaboration.
[02:14] <nhaines> I can honestly say I probably won't manage to make the time to do meeting archeology this month.
[02:14] <elky> it's also easier to fire off a response in a thread, so there'd probably be more discussion overall
[02:15] <pleia2> me neither
[02:15] <elky> i could probably manage it
[02:15] <nhaines> elky: you can pet the cat while you scour through the logs.
[02:15] <ianorlin> I could but will be busy when until thursday with testing stuff pretty much
[02:15] <elky> (sorry, eating pizza, delayed response)
[02:16] <elky> ianorlin: don't worry about it, i'll do it
[02:16] <pleia2> thanks elky
[02:16] <nhaines> Okay.  I don't think this is super high priority and so maybe we'll get to it in a month?  May 17th?
[02:16] <elky> sounds good
[02:17] <nhaines> But if you can announce the results on list first so there's time for discussion, that'd be better than waiting for a meeting.  We can decide what to do at the meeting or codify list consensus.
[02:17] <pleia2> predictably I'll be traveling on the 17th
[02:17] <nhaines> (And we don't have to decide at the meeting--if results aren't forthcoming until then, we'll decide at the next meeting.)
[02:18] <ianorlin> nhianes +1
[02:18] <nhaines> pleia2: Let's see how it goes.  I want more information before a decision, so even if that date's a conflict, we'll make sure we get a statement from you.
[02:18] <elky> #action elky to do stats on meetings for the past few years and report to the list prior to the 17th for discussion at next meeting lyz can get to
[02:18] <darthrobot> ACTION: elky to do stats on meetings for the past few years and report to the list prior to the 17th for discussion at next meeting lyz can get to
[02:18] <elky> sound good?
[02:19] <nhaines> Which is another important reminder!  If you can't make a meeting, you can always chime in on the list in the days beforehand and we'll mention your opinion in the meeting!
[02:19] <pleia2> sounds good
[02:19] <nhaines> TIL 1.3 years == "a few"
[02:19] <nhaines> More data is better though.  ;)
[02:19] <nhaines> Okay, thanks, elky.  Any other comments before we move on?
[02:19] <elky> nope
[02:20] <nhaines> #topic Other business
[02:20] <nhaines> Okay, that's the end of our agenda items today.
[02:20] <pleia2> there weren't any team reports for this year, so I made them https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/TeamReports
[02:20] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/TeamReports - Ubuntu Wiki]
[02:21] <nhaines> \o/
[02:21] <pleia2> please feel free to add to them if needed, particularly if you have some more info from scale
[02:21] <nhaines> Yeah, I really do need to gather my photos.
[02:21] <pleia2> I linked mhall119's blog post, but that's it really
[02:22] <ianorlin> oops I haven't used uploaded pictures still
[02:22] <nhaines> pleia2: thank you so much for compiling those reports!
[02:22] <pleia2> sure thing
[02:22] <nhaines> Ubuntu 15.04 will be released on Thursday, the 23rd.
[02:22] <pleia2> I also wanted to mention, I still have the keys to twitter, g+ and facebook, and I try to keep them updated with events and meeting announcements and things, but I could always use help if anyone is interested
[02:22]  * ianorlin has key to Google+
[02:23] <pleia2> ianorlin: feel free to pitch in!
[02:23] <nhaines> I'm trying to start using my Twitter feed more, especially since it's linked to my Amazon Author Page.  But social media is hard for me.  :P
[02:23] <pleia2> it was kind of fun keeping them updated during scale since I wasn't there, but mostly it's kind of a tedious exercise
[02:24] <nhaines> I can see the recruitment posters now.  "Does tedium excite you?"
[02:24] <pleia2> seems unlikely that we'll have any release event in san francisco, even informal
[02:24] <pleia2> nhaines: I sure know how to sell it!
[02:25] <nhaines> :D
[02:25] <nhaines> vivid is a revolutionary cycle.
[02:25] <nhaines> Unfortunately, it's all under the covers.  :)
[02:25] <pleia2> systemd is scary :D
[02:25] <pleia2> should be interesting
[02:25] <nhaines> I've heard a lot of people happier with much faster boot times.  And the phone is looking marvelous.
[02:25] <nhaines> I rather enjoy using my tablet with vivid.
[02:26] <nhaines> And in the 'w' cycle, hopefully XMir will land and then you can throw desktop apps in a click package or chroot jail and run them on your phone or tablet.  It won't be pretty until the next LTS cycle but it will be feasible.
[02:27] <nhaines> I haven't heard of any solid release party plans down south either.
[02:28] <nhaines> Well, it's still not too late!  Release parties are quite often the weekend after or even a week after, so if you want to run a party and act fast you can still get in on the fun!
[02:28] <nhaines> It can be as simple as gathering at a coffee shop or a restaurant to talk about Ubuntu.
[02:29] <ianorlin> it doesn't matter much to an end user
[02:29] <nhaines> We want to hear about it on the mailing list and on the LoCo directory at loco.ubuntu.com!
[02:30] <nhaines> I have a little bit of swag to pass out so if your in the SoCal area and have something planned let me know.  I have one Official Ubuntu Book left.
[02:30] <nhaines> Okay, is there any other business before us before we wrap it up?
[02:30] <pleia2> same goes for here, if anyone wants to do anything in SF or nearby, I can give some goodies
[02:30] <pleia2> I'm just overwhelmed event-wise right now, so I can't do it
[02:30] <nhaines> pleia2: +1
[02:32] <nhaines> Okay, in that case, I think we're done for this week.
[02:32] <nhaines> I've been running vivid for a month now and it's super great!
[02:32] <pleia2> yay :)
[02:32] <ianorlin> I also found an interesting confence in portland
[02:32] <nhaines> So 15.04 should be nice and reliable, and LibreOffice 4.4 is very lovely.
[02:32] <nhaines> We've plenty to be excited about even if it "seems" quiet on the Ubuntu front.
[02:33]  * ianorlin has been binge watching presentations from open source bridge
[02:33] <nhaines> Our next meeting will be held on Sunday, May 3rd at 7pm.
[02:33] <nhaines> Hope to see everyone there!
[02:33] <nhaines> Thanks every for coming tonight.
[02:33] <nhaines> #endmeeting
[02:33] <darthrobot> Meeting ended Mon Apr 20 02:33:49 2015 UTC.
[02:33] <darthrobot> Minutes:        http://ihas.5cat.com/~darthrobot/ubuntu-us-ca/2015/ubuntu-us-ca.2015-04-20-02.00.moin.txt
[02:33]  * pleia2 seeks dinner